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Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:06:00 - [91] [ 2003.09.21 16:44:02 ] Jade Constantine > can you summarise the message you would like me to take to the NVA council? [ 2003.09.21 16:44:19 ] Jade Constantine > the proposal from the Northern Piratical Alliance [ 2003.09.21 16:44:26 ] Irulan Acara > first [ 2003.09.21 16:44:31 ] Jade Constantine > i will be happy to carry it to them [ 2003.09.21 16:44:41 ] Irulan Acara > stop callin us that and well stop calling you the new virgin alliance [ 2003.09.21 16:44:52 ] Irulan Acara > or the newly violated alliance [ 2003.09.21 16:44:58 ] Irulan Acara > name calling is very immature [ 2003.09.21 16:45:04 ] Jade Constantine > i don't mind those names [ 2003.09.21 16:45:08 ] Irulan Acara > and you are obviously a very intelligent person [ 2003.09.21 16:45:18 ] Jade Constantine > why thank you m'dear [ 2003.09.21 16:45:34 ] Irulan Acara > notice i havent trashed you one bit [ 2003.09.21 16:45:36 ] Jade Constantine > to interject [ 2003.09.21 16:45:40 ] Irulan Acara > now [ 2003.09.21 16:45:45 ] Irulan Acara > what we want said [ 2003.09.21 16:45:54 ] Jade Constantine > if you wish to be known as the "Northern Alllaince" [ 2003.09.21 16:46:07 ] Jade Constantine > I would suggest that you draft a declaration of your principles [ 2003.09.21 16:46:16 ] Jade Constantine > and publish a list of your aims and intentions [ 2003.09.21 16:46:23 ] Jade Constantine > and member corporations [ 2003.09.21 16:46:27 ] Jade Constantine > as we have done [ 2003.09.21 16:46:38 ] Jade Constantine > that way, we know who it is we are talking about [ 2003.09.21 16:46:50 ] Jade Constantine > you have suggested you have 20 member corps [ 2003.09.21 16:46:59 ] Jade Constantine > but we only know 6-7 of them [ 2003.09.21 16:47:15 ] Jade Constantine > hence its difficult to understand exactly what your alliance is about [ 2003.09.21 16:47:33 ] Jade Constantine > and "Taggart Transpiratical" is a convenient term [ 2003.09.21 16:47:42 ] Jade Constantine > does that make sense m'dear? [ 2003.09.21 16:52:18 ] Irulan Acara > ok ill talk to the counsil and see what will happen [ 2003.09.21 16:52:28 ] Jade Constantine > jolly good [ 2003.09.21 16:52:33 ] Jade Constantine > so back to your terms [ 2003.09.21 16:52:42 ] Irulan Acara > i will convo you what our terms are for you leaving in peace [ 2003.09.21 16:52:47 ] Jade Constantine > that you would like me to carry to the NVA council [ 2003.09.21 16:52:58 ] Irulan Acara > we will give you a message soon
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:07:00 - [92] 2003.09.22 02:56:12 ] Christopher Xen > i dount it would be eternal [ 2003.09.22 02:56:15 ] Christopher Xen > yes [ 2003.09.22 02:56:27 ] Melisande > i think Venal could be the Saudakaur training place [ 2003.09.22 02:56:28 ] Christopher Xen > your taking the position of the atreidies [ 2003.09.22 02:56:36 ] Christopher Xen > or corrino [ 2003.09.22 02:56:52 ] Christopher Xen > but [ 2003.09.22 02:57:06 ] Christopher Xen > sasla sucundus was a prison [ 2003.09.22 02:57:28 ] Melisande > i prefer to see my self as Bene Gesserit [ 2003.09.22 02:57:29 ] Christopher Xen > and corrino sent ciminals there [ 2003.09.22 02:57:32 ] Melisande > i think [ 2003.09.22 02:57:46 ] Christopher Xen > jericos living up to it [ 2003.09.22 02:57:48 ] Melisande > Jericho builds mythologies [ 2003.09.22 02:57:53 ] Melisande > and breaks them [ 2003.09.22 02:58:03 ] Christopher Xen > always in the shadows never seen [ 2003.09.22 02:58:16 ] Melisande > oh we are very often seen [ 2003.09.22 02:58:24 ] Christopher Xen > whispering in the ear of those who wield mediocre power [ 2003.09.22 02:58:27 ] Melisande > i am always speaking to chaps in local [ 2003.09.22 02:58:34 ] Christopher Xen > weve yet to see you in combat [ 2003.09.22 02:58:47 ] Melisande > oh thats scarcely true [ 2003.09.22 02:58:48 ] Christopher Xen > but thats what isee [ 2003.09.22 02:58:55 ] Christopher Xen > and i fight in many battles [ 2003.09.22 02:59:01 ] Melisande > i locked a megathron the weekend before last [ 2003.09.22 02:59:12 ] Melisande > before you suprised our gate party [ 2003.09.22 02:59:43 ] Christopher Xen > remeber your fighting in our way [ 2003.09.22 02:59:50 ] Christopher Xen > and we are professionals [ 2003.09.22 02:59:51 ] Melisande > but ... its true partially ... my time is better spent in politics [ 2003.09.22 03:00:02 ] Christopher Xen > its not you [ 2003.09.22 03:00:05 ] Christopher Xen > its jericho [ 2003.09.22 03:00:06 ] Melisande > because i am quite a poor combat pilot [ 2003.09.22 03:00:25 ] Melisande > jericho isn't a combat corp [ 2003.09.22 03:00:31 ] Melisande > everyone knows that [ 2003.09.22 03:00:39 ] Melisande > we never have been [ 2003.09.22 03:00:43 ] Christopher Xen > niether is tti [ 2003.09.22 03:00:55 ] Christopher Xen > but we both have militarys now [ 2003.09.22 03:01:03 ] Christopher Xen > people who do yur dirty work [ 2003.09.22 03:01:09 ] Melisande > tti is big enough to have a military brance [ 2003.09.22 03:01:09 ] Christopher Xen > id say tti [ 2003.09.22 03:01:15 ] Melisande > branch [ 2003.09.22 03:01:19 ] Christopher Xen > but they are fighting along side [ 2003.09.22 03:01:32 ] Melisande > but m'dear, we don't do dirty work [ 2003.09.22 03:01:34 ] Christopher Xen > few jericho ships are even seen [ 2003.09.22 03:02:08 ] Melisande > thats because we don't have many [ 2003.09.22 03:02:27 ] Melisande > and those we had got destroyed by the Fountain Alliance mostly [ 2003.09.22 03:02:44 ] Melisande > we were rather convincingly crushed m'dear [ 2003.09.22 03:02:54 ] Christopher Xen > honestly no one cares about your vendetta. even your own alliance. no reinforcements from your alliance ever show [ 2003.09.22 03:03:19 ] Melisande > we lost more battleships and cruisers against the FA that M3G4 have lost in the NVA campaign [ 2003.09.22 03:03:22 ] Christopher Xen > and 75% of the time those who fight are locked in station [ 2003.09.22 03:03:47 ] Christopher Xen > well 10 ships only 2 of which were bs is easy to top [ 2003.09.22 03:04:16 ] Christopher Xen > lets take for example one member who was killed in a frig today [ 2003.09.22 03:04:23 ] Christopher Xen > your alliance called it a bs [ 2003.09.22 03:44:41 ] Jade Constantine > back in my body! [ 2003.09.22 03:44:46 ] Christopher Xen > froze up soory [ 2003.09.22 03:44:51 ] Christopher Xen > ok [ 2003.09.22 03:45:35 ] Christopher Xen > ok lets just end this and call it a night i have work in the morning [ 2003.09.22 03:45:44 ] Christopher Xen > i leave you with this thought
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:07:00 - [93] [ 2003.09.22 02:37:58 ] Christopher Xen > we are by no means gloating [ 2003.09.22 02:38:05 ] Christopher Xen > even tti shut up [ 2003.09.22 02:38:17 ] Christopher Xen > they wont say a frikin word [ 2003.09.22 02:38:22 ] Christopher Xen > or rub it in [ 2003.09.22 02:38:29 ] Jade Constantine > total withdrawal from venal and closure of offices is total defeat [ 2003.09.22 02:38:43 ] Jade Constantine > it really doesn't get much worse than that [ 2003.09.22 02:39:06 ] Christopher Xen > this conflict between jericho and tti has become , proportionately now, a meaningless arguement and childish dispute [ 2003.09.22 02:39:15 ] Christopher Xen > most alliance members dont even understand [ 2003.09.22 02:39:28 ] Jade Constantine > well hardly meaningless [ 2003.09.22 02:39:40 ] Christopher Xen > to you and tti it means something [ 2003.09.22 02:39:49 ] Christopher Xen > but now whole fleets and nations are involved [ 2003.09.22 02:39:55 ] Jade Constantine > if the price of failure is that 26 corporations need to offer unconditiional surrender [ 2003.09.22 02:39:58 ] Jade Constantine > and leave venal [ 2003.09.22 02:40:02 ] Christopher Xen > that had absolutely nothing to do with it [ 2003.09.22 02:40:16 ] Jade Constantine > thats actually very significant indeed [ 2003.09.22 02:40:28 ] Christopher Xen > no not in my eyes [ 2003.09.22 02:40:37 ] Christopher Xen > you fought with great vvalor [ 2003.09.22 02:40:48 ] Jade Constantine > it will be in their eyes i assure you [ 2003.09.22 02:40:59 ] Jade Constantine > since a stake in venal is a stake in the future [ 2003.09.22 02:41:03 ] Christopher Xen > theres two ways this can go [ 2003.09.22 02:41:24 ] Christopher Xen > you can leave now while you still have what you need to make a future else where [ 2003.09.22 02:41:24 ] Jade Constantine > and retreat to empire space is pretty much a defeat in detail and large scale for their ambitions [ 2003.09.22 02:41:37 ] Christopher Xen > or [ 2003.09.22 02:41:48 ] Christopher Xen > if things keep up this way youll all have nothing [ 2003.09.22 02:41:50 ] Jade Constantine > be destroyed utterly? [ 2003.09.22 02:42:01 ] Jade Constantine > broken to dust? [ 2003.09.22 02:42:03 ] Christopher Xen > that is a possiblity [ 2003.09.22 02:42:25 ] Christopher Xen > northern allaince has evolved beyond a meager military alliance [ 2003.09.22 02:42:31 ] Christopher Xen > it is becoming a nation [ 2003.09.22 02:42:38 ] Jade Constantine > i see [ 2003.09.22 02:42:53 ] Jade Constantine > its interesting [ 2003.09.22 02:42:57 ] Christopher Xen > and as such we are not trying to grinf you [ 2003.09.22 02:43:08 ] Jade Constantine > grinf? [ 2003.09.22 02:43:12 ] Christopher Xen > but we will take this space [ 2003.09.22 02:43:16 ] Christopher Xen > grind [ 2003.09.22 02:43:22 ] Jade Constantine > ah [ 2003.09.22 02:43:27 ] Christopher Xen > how many deaths does it take [ 2003.09.22 02:43:32 ] Jade Constantine > just out of interest [ 2003.09.22 02:43:40 ] Christopher Xen > before you swallow your pride [ 2003.09.22 02:44:08 ] Jade Constantine > do you suppose M3G4's many enemies will allow you to gain a foothold in Venal unopposed? [ 2003.09.22 02:44:32 ] Jade Constantine > we discussed quite a few possibiliies this evening [ 2003.09.22 02:44:41 ] Christopher Xen > they can try [ 2003.09.22 02:44:53 ] Jade Constantine > and of course [ 2003.09.22 02:44:54 ] Christopher Xen > weve had our asses handed to us in the past [ 2003.09.22 02:45:12 ] Christopher Xen > but as a the NA is now established most of us can reform [ 2003.09.22 02:45:15 ] Jade Constantine > we have seen taggart and m3g4 strategies these past weeks [ 2003.09.22 02:45:31 ] Jade Constantine > its easy to keep station offices [ 2003.09.22 02:45:45 ] Jade Constantine > and to run guerilla spoiling ops [ 2003.09.22 02:45:54 ] Jade Constantine > just as we could not mine in safety [ 2003.09.22 02:46:05 ] Jade Constantine > surely you see we could do the same to you? [ 2003.09.22 02:46:14 ] Christopher Xen > but you havent [ 2003.09.22 02:46:20 ] Christopher Xen > not cause you dont want to [ 2003.09.22 02:46:30 ] Jade Constantine > thats because at the moment we are the defenders [ 2003.09.22 02:46:38 ] Christopher Xen > but lets face it you have yet to win one major engagement [ 2003.09.22 02:46:38 ] Jade Constantine > if you win [ 2003.09.22 02:46:44 ] Jade Constantine > we will become the invaders
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:07:00 - [94] 2003.09.22 02:46:53 ] Jade Constantine > its the flow of things [ 2003.09.22 02:46:53 ] Christopher Xen > possible [ 2003.09.22 02:47:03 ] Jade Constantine > the eb and flow of the tides of war [ 2003.09.22 02:47:25 ] Christopher Xen > we are not desiring a protracted galactic wide war [ 2003.09.22 02:47:36 ] Jade Constantine > oh i know [ 2003.09.22 02:47:39 ] Christopher Xen > because of a dispute [ 2003.09.22 02:47:53 ] Christopher Xen > it is quickly becoming that as corps rush to both sides [ 2003.09.22 02:48:12 ] Christopher Xen > and it can trickle in to empire space [ 2003.09.22 02:48:31 ] Christopher Xen > it is our purpose to end this madness here and now [ 2003.09.22 02:50:25 ] Melisande > this is jade [ 2003.09.22 02:50:32 ] Melisande > i got stuck again [ 2003.09.22 02:50:47 ] Melisande > you were talking about a protacted war [ 2003.09.22 02:50:51 ] Christopher Xen > its ok where did i stop [ 2003.09.22 02:50:57 ] Christopher Xen > yes [ 2003.09.22 02:50:59 ] Melisande > and not wanting one [ 2003.09.22 02:51:04 ] Christopher Xen > this can trickle to empire space [ 2003.09.22 02:51:14 ] Melisande > but i think you need to understand [ 2003.09.22 02:51:18 ] Melisande > that of the 26 NVA member corps [ 2003.09.22 02:51:29 ] Melisande > a proportion of them will likely never leave [ 2003.09.22 02:51:37 ] Melisande > whatever the council decides [ 2003.09.22 02:51:40 ] Christopher Xen > agreed [ 2003.09.22 02:51:46 ] Christopher Xen > and we will go from there [ 2003.09.22 02:51:50 ] Melisande > and will chose eternal guerilla strikes [ 2003.09.22 02:51:59 ] Melisande > and spoiler warfare [ 2003.09.22 02:52:07 ] Melisande > you have done well its true [ 2003.09.22 02:52:10 ] Melisande > but the question is [ 2003.09.22 02:52:28 ] Melisande > do you want the M3G4 fleet in Venal for ever [ 2003.09.22 02:52:31 ] Melisande > always chasing shadows [ 2003.09.22 02:52:41 ] Melisande > always arriving a little too late [ 2003.09.22 02:52:45 ] Melisande > to defend your minerts [ 2003.09.22 02:52:49 ] Melisande > and industrials [ 2003.09.22 02:52:58 ] Christopher Xen > they arent hard to defend [ 2003.09.22 02:53:03 ] Melisande > we have had good teachers in the arts of guerilla warfare [ 2003.09.22 02:53:09 ] Christopher Xen > we have tactics for that aswell [ 2003.09.22 02:53:20 ] Melisande > well i imagine [ 2003.09.22 02:53:29 ] Christopher Xen > fact is [ 2003.09.22 02:53:38 ] Christopher Xen > this can go back and forth forever [ 2003.09.22 02:53:38 ] Melisande > but simply holding a place does not let you control it [ 2003.09.22 02:54:03 ] Christopher Xen > and no one ever said you could not return as allies one day [ 2003.09.22 02:54:08 ] Melisande > yes it can [ 2003.09.22 02:54:10 ] Christopher Xen > we just need detant [ 2003.09.22 02:54:14 ] Melisande > go on forever [ 2003.09.22 02:54:32 ] Christopher Xen > the future is untold [ 2003.09.22 02:54:43 ] Christopher Xen > and are you prepared to keep giving speeches [ 2003.09.22 02:54:54 ] Christopher Xen > sending these people to thier doom [ 2003.09.22 02:55:06 ] Melisande > well, its exactly to their doom is it [ 2003.09.22 02:55:17 ] Melisande > we all learn something with each death [ 2003.09.22 02:55:25 ] Melisande > every brush with combat makes us stronger [ 2003.09.22 02:55:31 ] Christopher Xen > perhaps [ 2003.09.22 02:55:50 ] Christopher Xen > but with every kill and tactic you pitch we grow and learn too [ 2003.09.22 02:56:00 ] Melisande > and an eternal guerilla fight for Venal would be an excellent training ground [ 2003.09.22 02:56:06 ] Melisande > have you read "Dune"?
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:08:00 - [95] 2003.09.22 03:45:48 ] Jade Constantine > fair enough [ 2003.09.22 03:46:00 ] Christopher Xen > not all people are evil here as you are not all good [ 2003.09.22 03:46:13 ] Jade Constantine > that may be true [ 2003.09.22 03:46:18 ] Jade Constantine > but i keep my word [ 2003.09.22 03:46:28 ] Jade Constantine > and i am the sort of ally you should look for [ 2003.09.22 03:46:45 ] Christopher Xen > i emplore you to swallow your pride and end this before we all end up regreting it [ 2003.09.22 03:46:50 ] Jade Constantine > i don't hold with treachery [ 2003.09.22 03:46:55 ] Christopher Xen > who knows what the future holds [ 2003.09.22 03:47:16 ] Christopher Xen > but the fact is ttis and whatever they didwith you happend its over [ 2003.09.22 03:47:17 ] Jade Constantine > well ... you right the future by gestures in the present [ 2003.09.22 03:47:37 ] Jade Constantine > it will never be over m'dear [ 2003.09.22 03:47:45 ] Christopher Xen > and you can always build a better tomarrow easier with peace [ 2003.09.22 03:47:54 ] Jade Constantine > because its a matter for historical record [ 2003.09.22 03:48:18 ] Christopher Xen > it IS over [ 2003.09.22 03:48:23 ] Jade Constantine > you can't build a foundation stone on lies [ 2003.09.22 03:48:40 ] Jade Constantine > and knowing that taggart betrayed others [ 2003.09.22 03:48:48 ] Jade Constantine > you can never sleep save in your beds [ 2003.09.22 03:49:04 ] Christopher Xen > and now because jericho holds so much hate for tti you want this war [ 2003.09.22 03:49:15 ] Jade Constantine > they have abandoned allies before [ 2003.09.22 03:49:20 ] Christopher Xen > dont even try to bury it in ethics or a brighter tomarrow [ 2003.09.22 03:49:29 ] Jade Constantine > you will one day be the next [ 2003.09.22 03:49:39 ] Christopher Xen > admit you hate them and thats why you started this [ 2003.09.22 03:49:41 ] Jade Constantine > and when that happens we will talk again [ 2003.09.22 03:49:49 ] Jade Constantine > and perhaps you will listen then [ 2003.09.22 03:49:56 ] Christopher Xen > but just consider leaving. [ 2003.09.22 03:49:59 ] Jade Constantine > i don't hate them christopher [ 2003.09.22 03:50:16 ] Christopher Xen > and i swear NO MORE bounties or acts of aggression [ 2003.09.22 03:50:27 ] Jade Constantine > i merely believed they were not pulling their weight as allies [ 2003.09.22 03:50:46 ] Christopher Xen > like jericho now in NVA [ 2003.09.22 03:51:04 ] Christopher Xen > that is usually the question in your alliance [ 2003.09.22 03:51:11 ] Christopher Xen > where is jericho [ 2003.09.22 03:51:11 ] Jade Constantine > well we pull our weight in over ways m'dear [ 2003.09.22 03:51:25 ] Christopher Xen > and perhaps tti beieved they were doing the same [ 2003.09.22 03:51:26 ] Jade Constantine > we give our allies money, and ships and blueprints [ 2003.09.22 03:51:39 ] Jade Constantine > tti provided nothing [ 2003.09.22 03:51:47 ] Jade Constantine > just ash [ 2003.09.22 03:51:52 ] Jade Constantine > and broken promises [ 2003.09.22 03:52:13 ] Christopher Xen > from what i see in tti they are a free corp [ 2003.09.22 03:52:32 ] Jade Constantine > well they may have changed [ 2003.09.22 03:52:46 ] Christopher Xen > and maybe you should actually consider that [ 2003.09.22 03:52:49 ] Jade Constantine > but their master has not [ 2003.09.22 03:53:07 ] Christopher Xen > perhaps we should have a counsiling session [ 2003.09.22 03:53:22 ] Jade Constantine > you could try m'dear [ 2003.09.22 03:53:23 ] Christopher Xen > let you two sit in a chatroom and vent on each other [ 2003.09.22 03:53:28 ] Jade Constantine > but honestly [ 2003.09.22 03:53:32 ] Jade Constantine > i listen to you [ 2003.09.22 03:53:46 ] Jade Constantine > and i know the things you will be saying in a couple of weeks time [ 2003.09.22 03:54:00 ] Christopher Xen > that is impossible [ 2003.09.22 03:54:09 ] Christopher Xen > tti has provided money ships weapons [ 2003.09.22 03:54:18 ] Jade Constantine > not impossible [ 2003.09.22 03:54:24 ] Christopher Xen > sometimes we dont even ask for htem [ 2003.09.22 03:54:40 ] Jade Constantine > i can see just where this is going [ 2003.09.22 03:54:45 ] Christopher Xen > your not describing the same tti [ 2003.09.22 03:54:55 ] Christopher Xen > and lets leave it at that [ 2003.09.22 03:54:57 ] Jade Constantine > oh i think i am [ 2003.09.22 03:55:02 ] Jade Constantine > but yes [ 2003.09.22 03:55:07 ] Jade Constantine > sleep on it [ 2003.09.22 03:55:11 ] Christopher Xen > tomarrow my friend [ 2003.09.22 03:55:14 ] Jade Constantine > and remember what i have said
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:09:00 - [96] funny jade my log seems to be longer and unedited
Cormyat Astara	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:23:00 - [97] Irulan: Do your members know you are not "pirates?" That is the most ludicrous denial I have heard since "I did not inhale." If you would just say, "Arrr! We're pirates and we be raping and pillaging your region and you can't stop us! Arrr!"...at least I could respect that. But do not try to paint yourselves as some sort of honorable warriors, because your history belies your claims. Even if M3G4 reforms itself and somehow manages through the passage of time to be viewed as a legitimate business, it won't change the fact that your rise to power came from the griefing of hundreds if not thousands of noobs. It almost seems as if you are ashamed of your employer's history.
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:25:00 - [98] Well jade i recommend we continue this time in total privacy in the game. i enjoyed your little attempt at mud slinging. sorry it bit ya in the ass. maybe when youve regained yuor calm and had a little bit more "Wine and peanuts" and have finished a new smashing good read, you can try and unintelligably to relate. see ya in game...ill even send ya a few hundred isk to convo me. see ya soon. And to the rest of you, keep tuned in for the sight and time of the event
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.09.23 02:33:00 - [99] I think you have some bits my chat missed due to crashing, (as I have some in addition to yours) but frankly .. its all the same stuff. My editing was purely for ease of reading, I guess thats obvious from the back to front comparison. Still, the point is made, I think even your own material is out of kilter with the earlier interpretation you provided ... that was a bit naughty m'dear. Love and peace JF Public Forum
smoked	Posted - 2003.09.23 04:10:00 - [100] okay okay enough bull**** from both sides please. "sips on a bottle of rum" you will die Jade. now come out and fight.
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.09.23 04:12:00 - [101] I don't want to spoil your flair for the act of getting "smoked" m'dear. Come and find me! Love and peace JF Public Forum
smoked	Posted - 2003.09.23 04:21:00 - [102] all in a days work. :)
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.09.23 04:30:00 - [103] And in the spirit of no-bull** monsieur, let me publish one of our smallest Corp's kill lists for the last few days; this from the Pain Syndicate - a six man outfit with a three man active service wing. [09/20/03] merckiller (scorpion) - podded [09/21/03] merckiller (rupture) - podded merckiller (reaper) - podded omri (merlin) - ship destroyed omri (merlin) - podded clone 9 (kestrel) - podded thackrar (merlin) - podded [09/22/03]** tarek asparr (???) - podded comanche (bestower) - podded werlii (typhoon) - podded havocide (blackbird u/c) - podded smoked (dominix) - podded and his ship captured kashtarr (merlin) - ship destroyed merckiller (reaper) - podded The dominix is to be renamed; the "Vassili Zaitsev" in honour of another great historical fighter in the service of a beseiged homeland. We hope in the service of Pain Syndicate the vessel will account for very many members of the M3G4 officer caste. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Mark A	Posted - 2003.09.23 06:22:00 - [104] Edited by: Mark A on 23/09/2003 06:22:57 edit typos. lol. I have to commend you for including the ship types in this post. Some nice frig kills there ;) So that's 3 bships down. And for anyone who didn't read the whole of the chatlog (from a day or two earlier): Quote: Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating Y'know I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Jericho. The 'Pain Syndicate' however are clearly asking to be slapped around a bit - we did see a couple of them in Venal this evening, but they disappeared rather sharpish, understandably. Indeed we're running out of targets full stop, and judging by the trail of indy's heading out there's something of a withdrawal going on by at least some of the NVA corps. Guess they are realising their new dream home has turned into a money pit they just can't afford, and all in the first 2 weeks. Let's hope they don't blame the real-estate agents huh? . Seriously though, for all the corps that were suckered into the NVA by false (or at least wildly optimistic) promises and just ended up getting their asses handed to them (and incurring losses they could ill afford), it could happen to anyone. TTI is certainly willing to forgive and forget, and (re)establish profitable industrial and trade relations in future. Hell, if Jericho stopped bad-mouthing us at every opportunity we might even catch them a break. ____________________________________
DB Preacher	Posted - 2003.09.23 07:49:00 - [105] Quote: So that's 3 bships down. And for anyone who didn't read the whole of the chatlog (from a day or two earlier): Quote: Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating hmm, Irulan states 2-3 bs' in the past few weeks. But thats 3 bs in the last 3 days. Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier Drop by and say hi in Reikoku Forums.
Christopher Xen	Posted - 2003.09.23 09:24:00 - [106] As of this point Official duscussions between the NVA and NA have ended. Though what NA believed was a good and fair offer was apparettlynot good enough the NVA. Sooooo...Wars still on. Channels will remain open and those NVA members and corps who wish out may feel free to convo or eve mail me to those whom still who wish to leave unmolested.
KIAInkZ	Posted - 2003.09.23 11:12:00 - [107] cya in your pod Xen --- Forums/Killboard - http://www.kia-corp.co.uk
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.09.23 11:44:00 - [108] Quote: Quote: So that's 3 bships down. And for anyone who didn't read the whole of the chatlog (from a day or two earlier): Quote: Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating hmm, Irulan states 2-3 bs' in the past few weeks. But thats 3 bs in the last 3 days. Yep, and by one small corp that isn't one of the ones that has previously been claimed to be doing most of the fighting. We're beginning to draw up lists of names and time of killings as they happen, as it's clear that some of your people aren't admitting to it. For example smoked (M3G4 CEO I think) who thought that the best strategy for him would be to eject from his battleship and return a few minutes later still in his pod. I wonder if that was broadcasted around your leadership channels? What sums all this up is M3G4's "we're not pirates" whine. And also their refusal to criticise their members attacking new pilots, which resulted in the enforced absence of that murderer. _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Zakalwe	Posted - 2003.09.23 12:19:00 - [109] Edited by: Zakalwe on 23/09/2003 13:17:22 Quote: Irulan: Do your members know you are not "pirates?" That is the most ludicrous denial I have heard since "I did not inhale." Right. The dÚnommÚ "Hanns" is a pirate who haunted Obe last weeks ago, chasing Noob to kill with his Scorpion. I could escape from him one time, not two.An when i see Mg site i'm mort de rire (dead to laugh). Jade has right , they're all pirates, included TTI, pirates with velvet eyes... Quote: If you would just say, "Arrr! We're pirates and we be raping and pillaging your region and you can't stop us! Arrr!"...at least I could respect that. But do not try to paint yourselves as some sort of honorable warriors, because your history belies your claims. Even if M3G4 reforms itself and somehow manages through the passage of time to be viewed as a legitimate business, it won't change the fact that your rise to power came from the griefing of hundreds if not thousands of noobs. Right again. Quote: It almost seems as if you are ashamed of your employer's history. Irulan is a pirate, like the dÚnommÚ "Hanns". Hmmm... Dan Simmons Hyperion and Iain.M.Banks Culture Novels : for SF Connoisseurs only
Maud Dib	Posted - 2003.09.23 12:25:00 - [110] Ok I admit I haven't really been paying attention for a few days. They blah blah this, no you blah blah that was getting OLD but I are you trying to tell me the m3g4 kids are trying to claim they aren't pirates? I mean aren't their posts all over the forums talking about what good pirates they are? Isn't one of their guys the one who sat in a 1.0 system killing noobs for fun? Didn't at least one of them get baned for using exploits to pod noobs? I mean really, the check is in the mail, I'll still respect you in the morning, nope not pirates not us.lol These forums are now offically worthless.
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2003.09.23 12:29:00 - [111] m3g4 and sinister start claiming their not pirates... m3g4 thinks that RUS and Sinister are at war, even though they have been allied for ages.... and TTi are hiding behind other ppl while talking smack as if they were actually "something" geez this gets so old so fast.. although m3g4 stupidity is quite amusing
Robeyone	Posted - 2003.09.23 12:34:00 - [112] Edited by: Robeyone on 23/09/2003 12:35:46 RONA Corporation has claimed more than just 1 or 2 Battleships but more on the upwards of 7 or 8 and we have in fact only lost 2. You want corpses we have corpses. Last weekend I can remember two certain corporations running with thier tails in between thier legs in a very similar fashion. Yes we were beaten this weekend, you claimed two of our battleships in one battle. But this loss was no more than you suffered the previous weekend. Oh an wait our battleships have already rebuilt and are in fact back in Venal. And this whole thing about the inability to stay in the war. That is just complete and utter crap. I think I am more sick of the sheer crap that has come out of people mouths for the past 3 days because of what has happned this last weekend. I want to re-affirm this now that like the FA and SA the NVA is still here we are still fighting. I also want to reaffirm that we are not at a loss for either 1. resources or 2. ships. You forget some of the corps who are in this fight TTI, you forget how long some of us have been around, and you forget how much business we may actually do. I also think you forget some of the people who have infact handed your so called "asses" on numerous occassions over the past couple of weeks. So this is a re-affirmation that we are still hear and no matter what so called indies you see leaving the region that I know quite a few are still coming in. Sorry to say this but this war is going to last a long time, and I hope like us you are willing to pay for it. Because unlike you we haven't been fighting a war up until this one. I'm sorry TTI and M3g4 and even Sinster that this war has in fact cost you a whole lot more than it costs us oh and I am also sorry that it is going to keep costing money. RONA is willing to pay for our part I just hope you are willing to pay for yours. http://www.ronacorp.com
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:24:00 - [113] Mark A, Taggart Transpiratical, ItÆs nice of your to come out and comment mÆdear; to answer you implication of course is pretty easy. ôlooksö like we are taking one helluva beating Is the key phrase, but if I really need to spell it out. Inflated claims donÆt win wars Mark A. In those logs the Piratical Alliance propaganda chief goes on record with casualty figures that have no basis in fact or any reality I have ever visited. Is it my job to help the enemy understand what is going on? No, mÆdear, its my job to tempt the enemy into saying silly things that undermine its credibility and the credibility of its cause. In that light I suggest you re-read the conversation logs with a stiff brandy in hand. I do have some questions for you though; Irulan stated variously, that the Piratical Alliance has twenty member corps, and that the piratical alliance council is a flat one corp one vote representative democracy. Now, that would mean that Taggart is only 5% of the voice in the new piratical regional power Irulan dreams of. She tells this as if it is a done deal. I would like Taggart to confirm or deny this situation. (And of course, if this has been done, why has it been done, because this sounds a lot like Taggart surrendering its name and once-reputation forever to the domination of pirates.) Now specifically, on M3G4 glorying in the killing of newbie frigates and such rampages, will you go on record as condemning TankCEO? Also, will you give us a Taggart line on Bounty exploiting by mutual podding in the ranks of your comrades? Politically, Irulan condemned the Stain Alliance as piratical; do you support this view by your propaganda chief? And also politically, Irulan stated continually that M3G4 are no longer a pirate corp and wish now to be an honourable mining and production corp. Does Taggart pledge itself to the reforming of pirates now? Please answer these questions Mark, they are quite significant and evasion will only save to make your chin look weak. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Athule Snanm	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:38:00 - [114] Quote: These forums are now offically worthless. Nah, I think it's this sort of thing that makes them priceless! M3G4 claiming not to be pirates really ranks right up there with the most lunatic comments I've ever read (maybe equal first with Ragnar's "I don't recognise this council" speach). _______________________________ Doomheim - EVE's only hygiene!
Jade Constantine	Posted - 2003.09.23 13:39:00 - [115] Robeyone of RONA corp, You are of course entirely right my friend, and I take some responsibility for the false perceptions of the course of the war to this point. I have preferred to wait and confirm casualty figures before going off half-cocked and refuting fairly obvious M4G4 inventions and nonsense, but beyond that, I do enjoy tempting the Piratical Alliance into going out on a limb with spurious figures, only to pull the factual rugs from beneath their feet for dramatic flourish later on! But of course, The RONA corp casualty count is as accurate as Pain SyndicateÆs was. And yes, speaking privately, even M3G4 corp realises that it has bitten off more than it can chew by meeting a developed industrial powerhouse like RONA in formal battle. M3G4 and other pirate scum in the transpiratical alliance are literally ôall inö and fully committed to the maximum of their strength in Venal, and yet they are still struggling to control the region and the fights continue to be shadow games and manoeuvre and faint and false retreat. Every day sees casualties on both sides, but the difference is; the NVA is a legitimate council of forward-thinking industrial corporations committed to the regional development and future stabilisation of Venal. And this being the case, we have friends and alliances with a stake in seeing the liberation of Venal and Pureblind from piratical control fully realised and rendered as political fact. I salute RONA corp. They were suggested to me in the darkest days following RagnarÆs treachery as honourable and just allies for the then-fledgling NVA. They have exceeded and surpassed my expectations at every stage, and I have nothing but admiration and respect for their corporation, their fighters, their management and their dream. Love and peace JF Public Forum
Mimic	Posted - 2003.09.23 15:08:00 - [116] Some words from PAIN... BURN NA ! Mimic ---------- Mimic - Director of the PAIN Syndicate Stop whining and counting Start having fun !
Derek	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:02:00 - [117] "I salute RONA corp. They were suggested to me in the darkest days following RagnarÆs treachery as honourable and just allies for the then-fledgling NVA. " Read: I thank a Corp that had no previous bad relations with TTI to join me in my Vendetta where I will post slanderous comments every 5 minutes on the forums while you risk your battleships for my dream of seeing ragnar fall from power. Soon this war will be called RONA vs NA. Roboneye. The thing you need to understand is that TTI have nothing against you. Nor do the NA. We have something against an alliance who sold us out to Evol and Xan (and even lied about some payments we were making on hits to get Xan to join yhe fight). Ask Qball some time for some enlightening. After we were sold out by so called allies we were then thrust into a council with the sole purpose of voting us out of the alliance because Jade didn't want to fight a war for freedom. (why she does now is beyond me - have you changed Jade? ). So we were sold out by a least a few people of our own alliance and now the world wonders why we seem to find allies within only pirate corporations. I would currently trust my back to only a handful of corps right now and they are all pirate corps save one newly reformed corp out in Khanid. Anyways for anyone who wants to know how we were sold out for some fun and games just ask Qball. Hes having some fun playing the beta for Horizons (how is that game anyways?) atm so i'm sure he doesn't care either way. For all your pompous Rightiousness Jade you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes down to honour and integrity. I ask RONA to reconsider the words of the snake who welcomed you into Venal. _______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._
Havocide	Posted - 2003.09.23 18:30:00 - [118] Jade you have too much time on your hands
Art Dillinja	Posted - 2003.09.23 19:10:00 - [119] Quote: Anyways for anyone who wants to know how we were sold out for some fun and games just ask Qball Don't tell me you still dont know that it was QBall who sold you out to us.
Derek	Posted - 2003.09.23 19:12:00 - [120] Niwaie don't you think its funny though how you were lied to and then fell for it hook line and sinker. The only ones chuckling over this is Evol. As it was their plan all along. _______________________________________________2005.05.02 03:56:57combatYour Mega Pulse Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Battletower, wrecking for 1190.5 damage._

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