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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.03 05:02:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 03/09/2003 05:10:14
Ladies and Gentleman, it is my pleasure and my duty to announce the formation of a new regional government to compass and protect the territories beyond Concord jurisdiction to the north of Caldari space.
This ôNew Venal Allianceö (NVA) has been formed by the fraternity and goodwill of lawful corporations and freelancers devoted to the cause of bringing stability and prosperity to Venal and Pure Blind.
The NVA is founded on the principles of good representative democracy and is intent on providing frontier opportunity and trade access to a new generation of small and medium-sized corporations prepared to unite for mutual defence and prosperous business cooperation.
No longer will the resources of Venal and the prosperous trade lanes of Pure Blind be jealously guarded by secretive cartels and violent autocrats; no longer will the borders be closed to casual traffic and curious wanderers amongst the stars.
It is the NVAÆs firm intention to correct the mistakes of the past, and to undo the memory of tyranny and injustice that long-haunted those northern territories which otherwise might ring with sounds of industry and lawful commerce in times to come.
NVA policy-making is to be determined by a representative executive council drawn from member corporations, with membership being open to appropriate immigrant-corporations prepared to relocate offices and fleet assets to the region and with the willingness to abide by the NVA constitution and attendant responsibilities common-levied without exception.
Responsibilities and Rights include; commitment to a common defence fund and military levy, respect and commitment to the goals expressed in NVA principle documents, commitment to the constitution, with rights to protection, free access to trade lanes and rare ore fields, free expression and the guarantee of personal liberty for corporations and individual members.
The NVA will operate a free border zone on the assumption of innocence, with only enemy forces and known malign illegals facing arbitrary attack from NVA fleet assets. Individual warships, equipment suppliers, couriers and explorers will have access without toll to the core Venal territories. Non-Venal mining operations and bulk traders will be asked to tithe a portion of their profits by pre-arrangement to provide against the cost of maintaining regional security. These negotiations to be conducted with respectful diplomacy by NVA border security.
Piracy and commercial predation will not be tolerated in regions policed by the NVA, and the NVA fleet will seek out and engage piratical activity when such is detected within our zone of operations.
It is our intention as an aspirant regional authority to normalise diplomatic and trade relations with neighbouring corporations and other regional alliances as swiftly as possible. And to this end we vouch our recognition for the authority of Fountain, Stain and Syndicate-Placid alliances, and ask that formal reciprocal relations be established as a matter of priority.
To the smaller Pureblind corporations that have long harried the pirate scourge of Venal, we propose common-cause and united action in reclaiming this region from chaos and lawless tyranny. Let us strive together towards a brighter future for the free populous of Eve cluster.
The NVA is a dream forged in blood and sacrifice and redemption; those corporations that held Venal in times before have been redeemed from the malign influence of Pirate Megacorps and have purged the criminal elements most reviled for villainy and predation and wanton murder. Free now of the gangsters and profiteers, the remaining corporations of the NVA wish to make amends for the deeds long done in Venal, and looking towards the future we ask you take a leap of faith and grasp the opportunity to aid the building of a brighter dream with honesty and courage.
Friends the time is now, and the NVA invites pilots and pioneers of means and valour to make cause beside the freedom-fighters of Venal in the struggle yet to come. For though we stand free and unbowed in the south of Pure Blind, ætis hard truth that the depths of Venal are ringed with outlaws and villains close-united in the desire to ruin and despoil the hopes of those who dare to dream. A great battle before us to free the territories of Venal from low domination, but an opportunity for those who wish to test their arts and valour and win a place in our gratitude and future prosperity.
ætis truth undeniably that the worst of times forge friendships hard as iron amongst those who keep faith and fight with common cause; aid us now in this time of test and trial and discover the faith and commitment at the core of the NVA, a treasure salvaged from the bitterest of disasters to pass in recent memory.
In faith then, I am
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Lex Luger
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:41:00 -
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Blah blah blah ......
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Luc Boye
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:46:00 -
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what he said ^^ 
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tarabelle
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Posted - 2003.09.03 06:59:00 -
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Good luck to you!
Just don't let it turn into another Fountain where the allience charge you 1 million isk just to enter the area and where mining will get you killed :(
Keep space as free as possible.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.03 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 03/09/2003 08:50:33
Those who scoff would not recognize a new paradigm if it bit them in the crotch.
This is a revolutionary document in the history of the Venal Region. Scoff if you will...we understand there are those who can do nothing else.
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Lex Luger
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Posted - 2003.09.03 07:16:00 -
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Blah.....
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:18:00 -
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So basicly you are following the Khanid alliance example: No Tyranny, but an anti Piracy alliance.
Good evolution i must say.
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Sambora
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:23:00 -
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My warmest congratulationas to those of the NVA. It is refreshing to see an active responce to what was in most peoples eyes an unsatisfactory situation. It shows great resolve of the corps involved in this new alliance to draw themselves up and take an activestance on issues of law and the fight against piracy.
Let us not scoff at the efforts of those people and corperations that enter into this endevor. For was it not many of you who voiced your anger over the VA and the way it conducted its self and ran the local area? Now when they make the effort to change and clean them selves up, why do you not applaud them for it how ever long overdue it may be?
So good luck in the formation of your new government Ms Constantine, and may it prosper as a haven for free trade and enterprise.
As a final note. It would be of great interest to many of the sceptics in this galaxy I am sure, as well as myself to know wich corps have undertaken this new stance and will submit to its laws. Good Luck once again, and Fly Free.
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Archemedes
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Posted - 2003.09.03 08:53:00 -
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Well, I for one think this approach is an excellent idea for an alliance, provided the "tithe" isn't absurdly high on traders. Allowing open mining without charging a fee would only result in the depletion of bistot and other high-demand ores, so of course they are going to charge foreign miners who want to operate there. Trade goods, on the other hand, are a far less limited resource. A small tax on trading might be acceptable to most people, but please keep that fee reasonable.
I am especially pleased to see that individual hunting or exploration ships will be allowed free access. After all, there are limitless numbers of pirates to hunt and doubtless there are interesting sights to see.
One question I do have is about the status of the Pure Blind region. Will the NVA be considering Pure Blind part of the Alliance, or simply a buffer zone? And will fees or access restrictions be enforced in Pure Blind or only Venal itself?
As someone who has had a corpmate podded by the former Venal Alliance without warning or communication of any kind, I see the NVA charter as a definite change for the better. I only hope you are able to live up to it... the history of alliances in EVE is not a particularly encouraging one.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:25:00 -
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Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 03/09/2003 09:27:03
Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 03/09/2003 09:26:36
Just waiting for Ragnar to throw a lawsuit on you ;) btw Ragnar was last man out and of course FIRST man warping out in Venal when things didnt go thier way :) brave little soldier he is... i thought Ragnar had "Copyright" on Venal... or was it something else?
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Macumba
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:43:00 -
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Very nice idea in theory.
Though the cynic in me gives it a week or so until complete lockdown.
Tune in next week for another episode of "Tantrums & Tritanium".
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Leitari
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Posted - 2003.09.03 09:50:00 -
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Well, I for one think this approach is an excellent idea for an alliance, provided the "tithe" isn't absurdly high on traders. Allowing open mining without charging a fee would only result in the depletion of bistot and other high-demand ores, so of course they are going to charge foreign miners who want to operate there.
Bistot and Crokite havent been seen in easily reacheble systems there for a long time now, and unless A. Portable refining stations are introduced into the game or B. The ore respawns, it is going to be very hard to mine those rocks without some large fleet operation there.
Here, Only the silent survive.
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Snoop
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Posted - 2003.09.03 11:41:00 -
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Just don't let it turn into another Fountain where the allience charge you 1 million isk just to enter the area and where mining will get you killed :(
the outer ring has the same pirates as fountain it also has bistot 6 jumps from 4c-b7x why dont you go there? oh i forgot you want to freeload from the fountain alliance because you are to scared to go there as u know m0o ,rus and sinister always hang out around that region now. you cant expect protection from pirate corp's for free why should we risk our ship's so cowards like you can mine out all our resources?
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Jasmine Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.03 15:50:00 -
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As Jade has communicated in the NVA statement and as has been publicly expressed in open forum a new dawn is about to light up a region once shrouded in corruption and villainy. We are taking strides now towards our dream of a credible, representative and democratic government in the Venal territories.
It is my view that we have chosen our friends poorly in the past and in truth the situation was never more than awkward and for some of us deeply compromising to personal ethics.
The pirates have gone and are now the hunted.
NVAÆs guiding principles are public and we ask you to judge us by them and to support us in making this promised new dawn a reality rather than just a dream.
Star Fraction
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Indigo Seqi
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Posted - 2003.09.03 16:11:00 -
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Edited by: Indigo Seqi on 03/09/2003 16:12:22
And she washed her hands in the blood of those that were once her friends, claiming her intentions are now pure and all past actions are to be forgotton...
"No longer will the resources of Venal and the prosperous trade lanes of Pure Blind be jealously guarded by secretive cartels and violent autocrats; no longer will the borders be closed to casual traffic and curious wanderers amongst the stars."
You know, Jade herself was once a big fan of a plan to lock the entire Pure Blind region down aswell. A plan that couldn't get much support from the rest of the alliance, even TTI and even the pirate corporations didn't feel anything for it.
Also, Sambora, are you really an employee of Jericho or is the forum bugged?
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Sambora
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Posted - 2003.09.03 16:23:00 -
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Indeed Indigo I am now a proud member of the Jericho Fraction . How ever I was not at the time I replyed to this post. Hope that dosent bother you too much.
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High Priestess
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Posted - 2003.09.03 16:38:00 -
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Free access is a wonderful concept Jade. Can you tell us when this will begin I noticed another thread on Evolution killing people again by "accident". When will this free trade policy open up and what type of tithing is expected of your guests? I know Amistad Trading would be interested in a trade and mining agreement with the NVA. Thank you.
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Tsel
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Posted - 2003.09.03 17:00:00 -
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Been reading the forums on the Venal situation, and it has been quite interesting to say the least
Interesting to note though that Ms Constantine , having failed in her motion to expulse TTi from the region , now is trying to 'claim' it under a new alliance ..
Naive might be more appropriate comment for both Ms Constantine and any who believe her ...
How could any honest trader and businessman, even for a second, trust the word of an obvious spindoctor?
From what i can gather , a few Venal Corporations having been seduced by Evolution tried to dissolve their alliance by bringing a motion to expulse TTi from the region. It was defeated (5 out of 12). Those small Corporations should have then known that to bring such a vote and lose would obviously result in dire consequences. It s basic logic that if you ask for a vote of confidence and lose, then you yourself will be asked to leave ... What did they think? That TTi would just let them stay?? Can you say D*** and D***er?!
To now claim the region as your own while aspiring to more noble goals .. well, you must really have a low opinion of other people's intelligence ...
Like most of your announcements .. good form, but very poor substance.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.09.03 17:05:00 -
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Greetings to the New Venal Alliance from the Syndicate-Placid Commonwealth. The S.P.C. officially recognizes your soveriegnty and legitimacy as a freely formed alliance. We applaude your new anti-piracy stance and open border policy. I must warn you from experience that these high princepals are easily declared but hard to win on a day to day basis. Therefore, we wish you all of the luck possible on establishing and maintaining an alliance based on such noteworthy aspirations.
Once matters have settled in Venal, and the NVA has become comfortable in their new role, contact me to formalize a more official relation status between the N.V.A. and the S.P.C.
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Kaizer Soze
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:06:00 -
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I find it funny that NVA claims control of a region widely known to be under direct military control of The Fountain Confederation.
Evolution, Xanadu and Cornexant Fleets are locking down major hotspots and controlling traffic.
VA pilots except a few are denied access to the FA military ops cause they are seen as a liability instead of a resource.
I look forward to seeing how this NVA will cope in the region, but my guess is that NVA will be to weak to control the region unless they become some sort of Vassal of The FA.
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Taliranowe Sarum
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Posted - 2003.09.03 20:11:00 -
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Priestess you will notice that I posted earlier about this. During our Military operations in Venal, we will shoot at all strangers on the battlefield. We give fair warning, so stay away untill our fleets are gone.
Both Xanadu and Evolution military are trained to shoot, not give people free tours of the area.
I leave that to Jade and her council. We're there to conduct a war, and we do that with extreme force. You enter a warzone and complain when you take heat.....some people must be daft.
If you are there to help our fleets, i suggest you pop by #fountain and contact Molle or Lench and indicate why, so the corps can set their standings towards you.
Read the Rules Of Conduct and Terms Of Usage
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QBall
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Posted - 2003.09.03 21:21:00 -
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Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 03/09/2003 09:27:03
Edited by: Raven DeBlade on 03/09/2003 09:26:36
Just waiting for Ragnar to throw a lawsuit on you ;) btw Ragnar was last man out and of course FIRST man warping out in Venal when things didnt go thier way :) brave little soldier he is... i thought Ragnar had "Copyright" on Venal... or was it something else?
Sorry just can't help myself with this one, but I'm pretty sure Ragnar has a (TM) on Stupid. Don't know about Venal though. 
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dalman
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Posted - 2003.09.03 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: dalman on 04/09/2003 01:52:24
Can we please have a list of the corps who makes up this new alliance???
*EDIT*
This was obviously VERY much misunderstood. It was not a request from Mass, but from me personally because of curiosity. I find the intrigues and conflicts within EVE very exciting and want to know what's happening. And I used "we" since I thought many more players wanted to know this.
And as you know very well, no MASS ships has been involved in this conflict, at any stage. Since Jade Constantine had a convo with us, I hope things are cleared, at least for the moment.
And btw, why would I ask what corps are involved, if I'm already involved?
Note, I'm NOT the corp's officer for these things. I just felt I had to clear things up, after my question, since there are obviously many rumours about this.
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Tharkadd
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Posted - 2003.09.03 23:52:00 -
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Since MASS has pledged support for TTI forces, I think I speak for the NVA when I say "Get Bent"
Jackass
Everyone leaves the world a better place. Some for having been here, some for leaving it.
If children are the future, we need to weed out the bad ones before they get elected.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.09.04 00:11:00 -
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VA pilots except a few are denied access to the FA military ops cause they are seen as a liability instead of a resource.
you sir are gravely mistaken.
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Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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Zaphod Robotnik
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Posted - 2003.09.04 03:40:00 -
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[Press Release] BSC Announces Multi-Million ISK Contract With New Venal Alliance
Please see the linked document for details.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:36:00 -
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As CEO of Jericho Fraction and a founder member of the New Venal Alliance (NVA) I formally commend and welcome the support of the British Space Corporation in the difficult early days for the new regional alliance.
We are a government born from strife and the chaos of past disasters, but our eyes are fixed on the path ahead, and our hearts are resolved to make a better future for the region to the clear benefit of all law-abiding corporations of Eve.
The British Space CorporationÆs formal recognition of the NVA is a significant and damning blow to the dark imperial urges of CEO Ragnar and the Taggart Trans-piratical Alliance.
Honest men speak.
Honourable cause is made.
Let the histories of the future reflect this moment of shining principle with generous accord and bright-spoken praise.
Jade Constantine; Jericho Fraction representative to the NVA council.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.04 14:46:00 -
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I will take a moment to confirm Dalman's words. I spoke with the gentleman last night on the issue of Taggart Transpiratical claims to have "hired" MASS Corp to fight alongside M3G4 and Space Invaders in service to Ragnar's pride and lunacy.
Monsieur Dalman was polite and helpful, and brought an executive from MASS Corp to speak on the matter.
Decisions ensued, with the outcome being the formal assurance that MASS was not operating in Venal, had issued no intent to fight with Taggart, and that should a change of corporate alignment on the matter occur in the near feature, fair and adaquate public notice would be posted.
From other sources I am given to understand that Taggart may have simply been using the name of MASS corp to shore up their own diminished military reputation.
My thanks to Dalman for his aid in this matter.
Love and peace
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Yuushi
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Posted - 2003.09.04 17:46:00 -
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Edited by: Yuushi on 04/09/2003 18:32:13
Not funny. -Orestes
but whatever will NVA do for a website then?  you know you laughed Orestes!! *poke poke giggle*  why are you guys being the humor police anyway?? it's hardly inappropriate and there is no swearing involved...
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Yoseph Cohen
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Posted - 2003.09.04 17:54:00 -
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Quote:
Not funny. -Orestes
Ok. That was the single most hillarious thing I have seen in this entire discourse. Way to go, Yuushi. :)
Yoseph Cohen
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Israeli Defense Forces
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Anla Shok
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Posted - 2003.09.04 18:18:00 -
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thats what this whole discussion needs, less seriousness, more fun.
very funny find yuushi
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2003.09.04 19:19:00 -
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"Ragnar and the Taggart Trans-piratical Alliance."
Yay I'm a trans-atlantic pirate! or.. something..
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Irulan Acara
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Posted - 2003.09.20 20:38:00 -
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Edited by: Irulan Acara on 20/09/2003 20:43:46
This is very amusing...."We" are the liars...thieves...murderers....perhaps...
however let us bring the circle to completion. Members of the NVA have been lied to...and unfortunately they will perish for jerichos lie. the truth of the matter is this...Jealousy...SHEER UNADULTERATED jealousy. jealous of TTI...for its money, its honor, its numbers, and its success. Jealous of M3G4...for its superior teamwork and tactics...approx 1 week ago M3G4 and her allies sent a fleet to combat the greedy, barbaric, and superiorly numbered fleet of the NVA. While the battle ended in stalemate, NVA lost a considerable number of battleships and cruisers in the 36 hours the battle raged. while only managing to destroy 2 NA battleships. Let it be known that while it is true that MOST of the Northern alliance may have a past history of being pirates...one should also look at the actions of stain and fountain alliances...destroying all ships that dare enter thier territory, to protect thier "assets and minerals".AND the NVA is attempting to inact the same form of piracy and tyranny should they win. and its Jerichos lies and decit that has built the New Fleeble....Venal Alliance. They were the ones who started the conflict with their own jealousy, Greed, and ambition. Well now you will have to contend with the reformed corps that are fighting valiantly and honorably,and other corps and players constantly sending money and support to NA and TTI. We in the NA would also like to extend our thanks and gratitude to certain members of jericho and kia corp for thier intelligence, logistic, and monetary support. YOU are the REAL patriots and in the end will be rewarded hansomely for your desires and passion to end this conflict and your Alliances Futile effort to contend with such honorable and longterm establishments such as TTI and its Subsidiaries. Remember...the sooner we have purged the universe from the evil lies and greed of the wannabe corp jericho...the better off we will be.
Thank you and be well dear friends.
We here at the Northern Alliance shall keep you posted on the REAL events transpiring in this epic crusade.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.20 21:13:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 20/09/2003 21:39:58
Now that was funny.
But it was also a little sad.
Yes we were infiltrated by an enemy sleeper agent. Who having gained a degree of trust cleared out certain hangers of rare modules and misc. equipment. In doing so the person in question made away with a certain amount of money and doubtless scored a bigger victory than the Transpiratical alliance fleet has thus far managed.
Fortunately the door was slammed before too much harm could be done. I am certain that if they had gone undetected, this person would have stolen absolutely everything not nailed down and announced a fine trashing of jericho assets and position as a victory for the Transpiratical alliance.
Still its war I guess and when your enemies are growing desperate they will try literally anything.
But, just so these things are in the open;
I will not court offers of this kind from enemy traitors. I fight my wars with public relations and with ships and with alliances.
Alts and infiltrations and corporate theft are actions well below my standard rules of war, and I will not hesitate to inform the transpiratical alliance of the presence of such traitors if I am approached with offers to sell-out and trash the enemy in this way.
I have turned away 3 such offers in the past week, and shall keep on turning them away. I simply am not interested in this kind of tainted victory.
The NVA is fighting a war of liberation. We have no need of mean-spirited little rats to turn traitor on their once companions.
And to the person who stole from Jericho know this. I'll not make your name public yet but I will warn my allies and if I see your name in local anywhere near NVA territory then I will reveal your name to the populace at large.
Love and peace
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.20 22:33:00 -
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Quite frankly, a pilot would have to have been living up a mountain for the last year not to know exactly what sort of corporation M3G4 is. Which makes your entire post utterly hilarious!
I mean "jealous of TTI...for its money, its honor, its numbers, and its success...They [Jericho] were the ones who started the conflict with their own jealousy, Greed, and ambition. "!!! Anyone who knows us, the NVA and/or how we work even slightly also knows an idea just how completely laughable that is.
"the Northern alliance may have a past history of being pirates"
I mean, I know M3G4 has a joke name, I didn't realise it used joke arguments as well!
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Irulan Acara
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Posted - 2003.09.21 02:10:00 -
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WELL another night has come and gone...and the New Virgin Alliance is no where to be seen. Just to recap some of the events tonight, The Honorable forces of the Northern Alliance launched a bold attack against the villiance NVA. Completely stopping thier mining ops in
Y-4, as well as destroying 2 battleships and a industrial ship carrying badly needed supplies to the trecherous jericho sympathizers. And during this period when 6n and Y-4 were shut down where was the "mighty" and "pure" Jericho fleet. Well my friends we have several screen shots of them running to the ajcj gate in 6n. Using no less than 2 mwds, the jericho ships made a triumphant escape from a persuing cruiser. way to go guys. Well on the brighter side of the news "Special Air Services" a new member in the North Vietnamese Army, has surrendered today and was aloud to leave venal peacefully and unharmed. They represent the smart ones in the so called alliance, quoting that they had not seen any support from thier so called allies in the time they had been in the NVA, all they claim to have been able to fo was cower in a station waiting for forces that were promised but never came. once again proving the lies and deception of Jade C.
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teh pR3acH3r
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Posted - 2003.09.21 03:09:00 -
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ur too leet for me i cancel my account.
who wants my stuff?
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Indefinately MIA
Former CEO Occassus Republica - Military Division Leader
Founding members of the Venal Alliance
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.21 03:57:00 -
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An adaptation of Irulan's words may be found here;
The Taggart Information Minister Speaks!!
Love and peace
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smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.21 04:29:00 -
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i'll take your stuff dude.. :) and jade... love and peace is how you end your sig, but you declare war on the rightfull region of tti?
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Irulan Acara
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Posted - 2003.09.21 04:30:00 -
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Well once again jade custer has suffered another defeat. we would like to thank microminer and masor for providing us with several tachyon lasers and other various useful equipment...to include drones which we were so short of. this just goes to show that the tyrants known as the NVA will not previel in our epic struggle to free venal from the tyranny known as the jericho spin machine.
but anyway...once again thank you masor and micro for your donations to our noble cause
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Number One
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Posted - 2003.09.21 04:40:00 -
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http://www.theleague.us/jades.bmp
Image tags removed. Please don't post images, especially not ones this size. - Orestes
There is no good or evil in the universe only POWER!
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.09.21 05:09:00 -
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I remeber that day well #1
http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~sly/Battle.jpg
Please don't post images. - Orestes
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Number One
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Posted - 2003.09.21 05:13:00 -
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was glorious wasn't it
There is no good or evil in the universe only POWER!
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.09.21 05:51:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 21/09/2003 05:51:58
http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=37F02789-AAB8-4A27-85F3-4124A9E88114
Thats what usually happens when we enter the system!
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Irulan Acara
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Posted - 2003.09.21 07:55:00 -
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WELL once again it was another glorious night, that movie is so true and funny BTW hanns...kudos. I do have a quick question for my precious jade...WHERE ARE YOU!?!?!?!? you were on long enough to respond to my forum posts....yet where in the hell was jericho....they have never participated in a battle with us. some alliance you got NVA....are you guys watching. the same people who started this conflict with thier lies and deciet are the same ones not fighting. Ill tell you why...they want a free war. they dont pay you support you or save you. they juslt let you rot away under the onslaught of the glorious forces of M3G4, Paladins, TTI, Merc Frigates, and all the other members of the coalition forces. Tonight i would like to commend MicroMiner and a few of his comrades...they fought bravely yet futilily...Sonia ran off to try a grid exploit and her gang exploit...both of which have been reported to and confirmed by GMs. You both are a credit to your corps...you had the guts to fight to the bitter end...and for that we in the Northern Alliance salute you. However the majority of your members demonstrated a futile effort in cheating. How many times must you carebears be told...WE ARE PROFESSIONALS...we hunt and kill for a living. we are veteran soldiers. You cannot combat us. tonight was a demonstration of things to come. we locked you down in your bases for hours upon hours. and the only thing that came of it was you cheatingly killed a cruiser (sonia). and ytou gave us millions in weapons and drones. not to mention biomass. Now the TRUE death toll...1 NA cruiser lost this evening and...4BS and 8 Cruisers belonging to various corps in the NVA. we were outnumbered again and you had the total opportunity to obliterate us...but you lacked the skill. and in return you just funded the war for weeks to come. Now to my dearest Jade...How long will you let this drag on. you fill them with hope but fail to lead them into battle. Well my friends she was no where to be found. and so was Jericho. This ****ing contest must end. Your losing hundreds of millions a day, in exchange you cost us what 4 million in which all these drones and dmg mods paid for. and then some. I emplore you for the sake of the noobs who dont know better. leave. curse has plenty of space available, TTI and the Northern Alliance will not pursue you. And who knows one day we will forgive you My sweet. and let jericho help us forge a greater eve. You cant win and we offer you one last chance of detant. venal is not providing you with the income necessary to support this war. leave now and let us develope it into a thriving industry. So i leave you my dear precious Jade with one last thought. How much more can your allaince take. they are already demoralized and surrendering...constantly asking and believing our side of the story which is often known as the truth. Come with me back to a place called reality and end this foolish nonsense. you cant protect your miners and noobs 24/7. and you only have so much isk. well sleep well my dear. ill no doubt debate you on this forum tommarow.
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2003.09.21 11:04:00 -
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Irulan Acara or what ever your name is...
What kind of drugs are u on ?
I was there during the first conflict with m3g4.. When there finally was a fight.. the NVA lost a mere cruiser..
Get your facts straight or get bent..
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2003.09.21 11:36:00 -
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ohh yeah....
as for being Professional...
m0o was professional... U are not..
Sinister is professional... U are not...
Are u getting what I'm going at ?
Being a "weekend warrior" and a "TTi doormat" does not make u professional
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Lara Janoz
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Posted - 2003.09.21 11:55:00 -
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LMAO
This is to funny to even react on, realy, but lets take the screenie of hanns for example.
In that batle m3g4 lost a BS and ran of to some save point in space. now if you look close at that screen shot you will see 2 of his gang members down to structure and hanns ready with a bookmark to a save place.
This is so funny.
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.21 13:53:00 -
[49]
aye m3g4's lack of brain power makes them inept at fighting hense they are the joke of the pvp community :P
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Irulan Acara
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Posted - 2003.09.21 13:57:00 -
[50]
Ah yes the smack talking begins. Let me ask you all this whenever theres a fight with m3g4...WHERE IS JERICHO...and for that matter where are all of you. Hiding in the station talking Smack.
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Diamond Dog
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Posted - 2003.09.21 14:35:00 -
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Nobody gives a flying ****.... except m3g4 and TTi
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Revolution
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Posted - 2003.09.21 14:58:00 -
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gg bmp****gotry.
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.21 15:18:00 -
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Quote:
LMAO
This is to funny to even react on, realy, but lets take the screenie of hanns for example.
In that batle m3g4 lost a BS and ran of to some save point in space. now if you look close at that screen shot you will see 2 of his gang members down to structure and hanns ready with a bookmark to a save place.
This is so funny.
LOL - I missed that one! Only M3G4 could post a screenshot showing their members having massively more damage than KIA as an example of them winning!
It's not exactly that suprising that you see more of RONA (for example) than Jericho as they are about 10 times our size. Stuckage (yet again ) and time-zone differences have kept me away from from some fights, but you will see me for sure in Venal and Pure Blind fighting alongside other NVA forces as I have done in the past. Don't assume that that's the only place you'll see me doing war work though...
Considering TTi are many times the numbers of M3G4, one wonders where they are?
Tonight I'm going out for a meal with my girlfriend and some friends - another victory for the NA!!!
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.09.21 15:30:00 -
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Edited by: Hanns on 21/09/2003 15:33:35
Quote:
LMAO
This is to funny to even react on, realy, but lets take the screenie of hanns for example.
In that batle m3g4 lost a BS and ran of to some save point in space. now if you look close at that screen shot you will see 2 of his gang members down to structure and hanns ready with a bookmark to a save place.
This is so funny.
lol as i remeber we took out 2 of your BS before we warped! and you would have to be a fool to enter a fight outnumberd without a way to fall back! military tactics darling!
ROFL you just prove my point that you are carebares and dont know how to fight!
and the two people with structure damage are both in cruisers which you target before the BS. lol
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Hanns
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Posted - 2003.09.21 15:59:00 -
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Orestes could you please change the links to hyperlinks at least with the [url] tag
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Orestes
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Posted - 2003.09.21 16:16:00 -
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Done, Hanns.
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Lara Janoz
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Posted - 2003.09.21 17:55:00 -
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sure Hanns what ever.
Whoohoo i am a carebear
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.21 18:28:00 -
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M3G4 ? TATICS ? in the same line.
lol
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.21 19:45:00 -
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M3G4: You guys ***** me up. You are the worst of the shameless griefers, created and built on the advnaced concept of....lying in wait for indies and unwary cruisers to kill...too stupid to charge tolls...k.o.s in order to fulfill some pathetic lack of self-respect...and you have the audacity to speak of your involvement in the VA conflict in military terms?
I have seen nothing out of M3G4 that impresses me. And to be perfectly honest, I've seen very little out of NVA that impresses me. So the crap-talking on both sides is starting to sound like kindergartners arguing over whose dad is tougher.
Fergodssake, shaddap.
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Number One
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Posted - 2003.09.21 20:57:00 -
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my dad would soooo whoop your dad...
why charge a toll blowing stuff up is fun.
what's really funny is that you guys get so worked up about it. it's a game, we are having fun. even if we get squashed it would be fun for the battle. fact is if we get squashed big deal. we step back and build up again and give it another go.
in closing last NVA member out of venal please shut off the lights, we preferre to lurk around in the shadows.
There is no good or evil in the universe only POWER!
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sutty
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Posted - 2003.09.21 21:15:00 -
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what have Occassus Republica ever done
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Number One
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Posted - 2003.09.21 21:21:00 -
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nothing at all that i have noticed
There is no good or evil in the universe only POWER!
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Irulan Acara
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Posted - 2003.09.21 21:45:00 -
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Well once again a whirlwind of polotics and battle today in venal. There were the beginings of talks with NVA high command, some members of which concede that they are losing, how ever...the talks were interuppted due to a attack in h-p. though NA lost a frigate after the main fight Several Main battle ships on NVAs fleet were destroyed along with comfirmed 3 cruisers. they out numbered the M3G4 force but once again experiance and proven LEGITIMATE tactics prevailed. Talks are not yet scheduled to continue between the NVA and NA. How ever it is becoming ever clear that the NVA are becoming desperate as several corps now have been allowed safe passage back to empire space, fleeing the fighting. But today is only a slight addition to the crippling blows NA coalition forces are dealing to the NVA. We will extend at this time that any corp wish to leave the cause of the ragtag fleet of the NVA may do so with out shame. your only asked to clean out your hangars and close your offices. We will keep you posted on the war and the possible capitulation of the NVA. Note this is not being said mockingly as we all know that the NVA fought valiantly. but have yet to score a major victory.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.09.21 23:27:00 -
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Quote:
though NA lost a frigate after the main fight Several Main battle ships on NVAs fleet were destroyed along with comfirmed 3 cruisers.
So only the 3 cruisers were actually confirmed? How convienent. What about the Several Main Battleships? Were they confirmed or merely some more made up numbers?
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.22 00:00:00 -
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what have Occassus Republica ever done
I guess the fact you managed to kill my scout condor a few weeks ago means you own me outright, but I think you should ask you corpmate Homo Erectus if Occassus can fight. And incidentally, I wasn't referring to combat at all in regards to NVA.
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Red Six
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Posted - 2003.09.22 00:00:00 -
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Irulan - Please upgrade your translation AI to one that uses paragraphs. Your current one needs to be replaced. I'm not going to waste my time trying to decipher your posts.
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2003.09.22 03:00:00 -
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I don't know what you are talking about when you say the GM's confirmed the grid exploit by Sonia. Sonia was in fact target jammed, so how in the world would she be using a grid exploit if you can in fact target her. The GM's have mentioned nothing to us whatsoever about this so called "grid exploit" that we have been "using". I mean come on guys we have been fighting you for what weeks now and we have yet to use a cheat or exploit in those circumstances why would we use it now. We have lost ships sure, but we put them right back in service. We don't believe in cheating and I would hate to have something like this try to tarnish our reputation. I admit this war is hard, and that we did expect to lose ships. But we have only lost 4 Battleships and about 4 cruisers we have a hell of a lot more corpses then we have lost ships. My overall point.. If we lose, we lose but we did it fair and square we do not cheat and we do not exploit I think any engagement we have been in previously would attest to that.
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.09.22 03:39:00 -
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Is this bull**** still going on?
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.09.22 10:30:00 -
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Irulan Acara: Please learn how to use paragrahs if you are going to report the 'news'.
Last night the NVA lost 1 megathron, 1 thorax, and 1 kestral. 'Experience' had nothing to do with the victory of that battle being on m3g4's side, and hardly Alliance crippling.
We outnumbered the m3g4 forces slightly, and decided that we would attack the blockade. We knew it was high risk, but everyone agreed to try to break the blockade. Hell why not attack for a change, instead of standoff's lasting hours upon hours.
The factor that brought victory was the sheer quantity of lag and drones. We knew the risk, took it, and this time it didn't pay off.
Kudos to the m3g4 guys, you got your revenge for us destroying another of your crusiers earlier, and a TTI cruiser kill that I personally made earlier in the day. That's 1 BS up on us for yesterday, and you're right, I'm enjoying myself :)
What I find amusing is that you guys are working alongside TTI, when I've seen 2 TTI battleships by your side in the whole conflict.
If you are going to invade Venal, and do eventually win the war, then keep it for yourselves, you will have earned it.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.09.22 10:34:00 -
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just to add, you guys did have my scorp down to 17% structure last night, and I did indeed fill my pants *gulp*
What the hell, I didn't buy it to look pretty :)
Look forward to tonight :D
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s0cks
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Posted - 2003.09.22 12:02:00 -
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lol, wot a load of bullsh*t from Jade.
stop spending 12hrs of your day posting utter crap and biased opinions. get a ship, undock, go fight.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:51:00 -
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Good Evening Folks, Ive been meaning to discuss with you all directly. I am not really a forum guy. But i thought it best i convey the events that have transpired in the last 48 hours.
Yesterday, Jade Constantine contacted a M3G4 member and was also begining a chat with Irulan Acara. Over a 1 hour discussion, Jade requested terms for ending this conflict. Later that evening I presented her with the terms, that in no way is meant as an insult or ultimatum to the Honorable fighters of the NVA.
These terms have been written by myself and were accepted by the Northern Alliance to be presented to the NVA high council. But first I'd like to inform you of recent events. In a previous post some one asked where is the proof of all these kills, Well we do have screen shots, and a number of corpses. The EXACT number of destroyed NVA ships is truely unknown. But in approximation which is quite close they are the following over the course of the past two weeks: 17 NVA Battleships, 13 NVA cruisers, 4 Frigates, and 2 Industrial Ships. Our losses are far less. at 4 Battleships, 7 Cruisers, and 8 Frigates. Of All major engagements, NVA has yet score a single victory. These numbers are based on saturday evening. Estimated 4 NVA Battleships were destroyed on Sunday. Yet analization of screen shots and morgue inventory are still being accesed.
Now as promised the proposal that was sent to the NVA high command:
After carefully reviewin the chat logs and numbers and stregths of both fleets, we have come to a decision regarding the terms For the resolution of the current conflict.
1st, you will withdraw ALL NVA ships from Venal.
2nd We will post that it was Not a surrender but a withdraw,
3rd NO reperations will be paid or demaded by NA.
By accepting the first and second stipulation you will be granted a full 72 hours to with draw, should one ship so much as target on your side the cease fire will end the war will re commence. At the end of the 72 hours all NVA offices will be closed.
Following a successful completion of the 72 hour cease fire all hostilities will end and leadership will not post demeaning propoganda.
These terms are more than fair. And for the sake of your noobs and miners we recommend you comply.
You have 24 hours to reply. once it is announced in both our alliance channels and acknowledged by all the cease fire will begin for 72 hours in which you will comply with the above.
Regarding the NVA withdraws, 4 corps have request safe passage out of Venal and have abandoned the cause of the NVA. 2 corps are currently making the attempt to defect do to continous losses to the NA Coalition Military. For the sake of saving face these corps will not be named NOR will they be gloated over.
Now something i wish to bring to your attention. NVA: As of now you should consider yourself pawns. This conflict is not about starting a new prosperous alliance. It is not about Jades visions of a new begining. It is a Vendetta. Jerichos vendetta against TTI. During the period of peace talks with Jade, which for the most part calm and civil, Jade herself acknowledged not a hate for only TTI and of which being her driving force in this conflict, BUT for its CEO as well. As a TTI ally and unbias to either side, I cannot see the TTI she is describing. The CEO himself has sent ships, Equipment, money, AND members into this conflict. Jades description is that TTI wanted more for doing nothing in the former Venal Alliance. Well I have not seen this and honestly do not believe TTI expects more pull than anyone else in this Alliance. You see NVA...you are fighting this conflict not for even profit or as a crusade, you are fighting because a few people have a perpetual hate for each other, a hate and vendetta that has now become a petty issue in comparison to the scope and size of this war. As the "Wining side" we seek no revenge upon anyone, nor do we seek to disgrace you or humiliate you. You have fought valiently, for a perveted and false cause. And in less than 2 and a half hours the time for your high command to accept this proposal will be over, and this invitation for NVA to withdraw and save face in our eyes at least, will be formaly withdrawn. Unlike Jerichos high, unreasonable and insane demands we offer them a way to leave in peace. NO gloating, NO dishonor, And defiantely no humiliation.
However...There will remain a way out for other corps that wish to abandon this false, slanderous and childish cause. You members and CEOs who wish to be out of the NVA and no longer be K.O.S. may feel free to eve mail me, your names and corps will remain confidential and no bragging will be made. Your alternatives are grim, you may stay and hide in stations, spending hours of a game you pay for not playing, or you may lose millions upon millions in equipment and resources that could aide you in a new life else where.
Finally, If you believe this
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.09.22 23:54:00 -
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Continued...
Finally, If you believe this is a anti pirate war consider this, should this war escalate, Jade has stated she will beg, plead and pay her last isk, to have other and far more villianous pirates join her. Unfortunately, this wil only broaden the conflict and strengthen our side. As the enemies of those corps will become our friends, and there is a chance that this will become a Galactic Wide War, that will be harmful for neutrals and noobs alike, that will trickle into empire space...all for jade and jerichos petty vendetta, hate, pride, stubborness, and imaginary fears.
Also There will be an event. In empire space, for all to attend, and understand this conflict. The location, date, time will be disclosed at a later date.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 00:08:00 -
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Christopher, I presume that means you don't mind me publishing the chat log then?
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Incidently, I presented your terms to the NVA council yesterday. The general reaction might charitably be termed "derisive hilarity" still, I shall proceed with the discussion and give you an answer before the end of your 72 hour period.
Love and peace
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.09.23 00:15:00 -
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feel free i can post it as well, though i was going to keep it private
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 00:20:00 -
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I'm afraid Christopher that you have presented a rather misleading view of the discussion. I therefore reserve my right to reveal what was actually said.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 00:25:00 -
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"You see NVA...you are fighting this conflict not for even profit or as a crusade, you are fighting because a few people have a perpetual hate for each other, a hate and vendetta that has now become a petty issue in comparison to the scope and size of this war."
... Mr.Xen, given that as 'unbiased TTi ally' you are actually a side of this conflict... do you feel comfortable yourself, fighting because someone up the commanding chain of your ally happens to have petty, perpetual hate for another person... which is, according to yourself, the reason of this war after all? :s
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/09/2003 01:51:49
Note, this "log" is several conversations edited together. Sunday was a crash-rich environment. Irulan and I both ended up using alts to talk while our mains were stuck. I have corrected spelling and grammar and have replaced the names of the alts with our mains to keep the conversation clear.
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Channelname: Irulan Acara conversation
Listener: Jade Constantine
Session started: 2003.09.21 15:48:40
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Irulan Acara > hereÆs what i see, but we must do our duty, oh yeah, now as i was saying, our situation is perfect, couldnÆt be better and as far as your members that are mature i do honour them they are worthy foes. However you yourself may be misinformed about the war your corps kill a cruiser and call it a battleship
Jade Constantine > itÆs possible but that does happen on both sides
Irulan Acara > what i provide is accurate unbiased loss lists i donÆt work or have contact with tti most of the time
Jade Constantine > my blackbird was reported as a raven ;)
Irulan Acara > yes
Jade Constantine > but what is your estimate of the losses so far?
Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front
not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers
Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad
Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps
Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating
Irulan Acara > most of which we have corpses to back this up some screen shots
Jade Constantine > indeed, though i think you should use links rather than pasting screen shots you did rather sabotage my birth of the NVA thread
Irulan Acara > the point im trying to get across is i was a miner myself and i care for people in eve thereÆs two sides to every story but as i was saying
Jade Constantine > as of course do we hence the freespace pledge in the new NVA declaration of principles
Irulan Acara > tti is our ally and we honour them most from what i see are always willing to help noobs
Jade Constantine > of course
Irulan Acara > but this war is almost futile for your confederation
and we wish you remove those not capable of fighting from the region at the very least
Jade Constantine > well ... that does somewhat betray the purpose of the NVA which was to open the region for free space and civilised commerce
Irulan Acara > you can almost compare this too world war one two factions have a minor argument and then all the allies and principles get dragged in to a bloody conflict
Jade Constantine > there is merit to that position but it was more than a minor disagreement
Irulan Acara > now we will never abandon tti and no doubt there are those who wont abandon Jericho but they dont fight for your honour or argument
Jade Constantine > can i ask you a hypothetical question?
Irulan Acara > yes
Jade Constantine > what will M3G4 do if TTI sue for peace with the NVA
as their representatives are already appearing to do
Irulan Acara > the northern alliance will vote tti is not the ruling body they are simply equals however we will take venal
Jade Constantine > can i ask how the votes are distributed in the Northern alliance?
Irulan Acara > i cannot go into detail
Jade Constantine > ie ... what weight each corporation has in voting i ask because in the VA council days TTI wanted their full membership to count in voting and thus dwarf the say of smaller corps
Irulan Acara > there are well over 20 corps and each has an equal say i cant imagine were talking of the same tti
Jade Constantine > have they now agreed to one corp one vote?
Irulan Acara > tti is very cooperative and will support us to the end
Jade Constantine > are you saying tti have changed? radically in the past 3 weeks?
Irulan Acara > they seem very civilized as we all are
Jade Constantine > who are you primarily speaking to at TTI?
Irulan Acara > again i cannot divulge that info
Jade Constantine > ah
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:38:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/09/2003 01:43:31
Irulan Acara > no names we will not give you a hit list
Jade Constantine > don't worry m'dear, I don't sponsor assassinations; but you are the elected PR rep for the Northern Piratical Alliance as a whole?
Irulan Acara > pirate is a strong word and i take offence to it
Jade Constantine > but accurate though? Surely your own corporation is famous for murdering new players, TankCEO is a famous man
Irulan Acara > lets pull back and look at stain for a moment whom youÆve no doubt tried to hire stain will kill all who are not stain entering stain wouldnÆt you call that piracy and by hiring you are also condoning thier piratical activities?
Jade Constantine > stain is neither here or there really m'dear, all i'd say is that you chaps tried to involve Mass on your side, and we gained the support of Solar winds as ideological allies there has been no hiring how could there be? the NVA is broke and without funds
Irulan Acara > well they seem to have included and i quote NVA mercs in thier corp description and who can forget their attack on jan destroying all and even if your ideallogical allies you condone thier activities indirectly
Jade Constantine > ideological allies fight for a common cause in this case the destruction of Paladins of the Red Skull who solar winds really do not like
Irulan Acara > then couldnÆt you say the same fore m3g4 and tti
Jade Constantine > well lets think about that for a moment what is the TTI cause?
Irulan Acara > we want venal we can maintain the war effort indefinitely we have the infrastructure you have stated you donÆt
Jade Constantine > it appears you do
Irulan Acara > last night your fighters were brave and were destroyed with honor
but it only takes a few bad apples to spoil a bunch
Jade Constantine > and it appears we are definitely suffering the war of attrition
Irulan Acara > on the very opposite every attack we make seems to succeed in a few hundred mill in damages to your corps by now several billions
Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty much what I said we are suffering the war of attrition and yes you are causing many casualties
Irulan Acara > what you need to do in my opinion is just leave with no disgrace
no one will heckle you or your members sure some will gloat but thatÆs better than not being able to prosper in peace
Jade Constantine > but the problem is Irulan I have no alternative but to fight because Ragnar named his intent to drive me from the game with his bounty
Irulan Acara > your fighting over what has become a petty argument that has evolved into jealousy
Jade Constantine > the only thing to do is fight
Irulan Acara > look at most of us we have bounties its great actually we kill each other in a pod then split the bounty
Jade Constantine > not 20 times recurring bounties you don't and with respect you are fighters and pirates and killers whereas I used to be a trader but now have no way to make a living hence .... i am cornered and hence, i have no alternative but to fight
Irulan Acara > yes but it is a necessary evil there can be no good with out bad
Irulan Acara > goto curse or stain no one is even in curse accept a few pirates that are weak, when i was in a different corp as a miner we destroyed four pirate battleships when we were only equipped as miners
Jade Constantine > wherever i go the killers will follow i am under no illusions
Irulan Acara > thereÆs gonna be killers every where no matter what if there werenÆt it would be a boring game
Jade Constantine > well, thatÆs lovely m'dear, but ya see ... i'm a peace-loving girl who got stabbed in the back and there is something of a need for payback
Irulan Acara > it happens ive been stabbed to evil begets evil look at our conflict so many dead and destroyed over two people hating each other
Jade Constantine > well Ragnar declared a pogrom on those who had fought and died for him in times before he has made a living out of betraying allies
Irulan Acara > thatÆs human and if you cant understand it in game then you cant understand it in real life
Jade Constantine > he betrayed Xanadu; he betrayed the original VA; he betrayed the later VA
Irulan Acara > ive heard both sides this is no longer a matter of that debate
Jade Constantine > well it pertains
Irulan Acara > so many have been dragged into this fray we will win you know that
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 01:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/09/2003 01:44:50
Jade Constantine > in that you need to ask questions about how far you trust Taggart today for example if we were to offer to end the war with Taggart and make common cause with Ragnar and the NVA and invite Taggart's carebears back to the international community you believe that they would not pay the price of ditching their pirate allies? In order to restore their reputation and ability to do business under their own name?
Irulan Acara > your proposing a detent, a calming process
Jade Constantine > No, basically ... they used to hate you
Irulan Acara > first lets clear the misconception
Jade Constantine > their philosophy and very business model hates you
Irulan Acara > we do fight people entering our territory like stain everyone does it its jsut they doit in 0.0 space with no sec hit
Jade Constantine > could you explain TankCEO? and the rampage against noobs?
Irulan Acara > its a necessary role in the game unfortunately
Jade Constantine > rampaging against newbie frigates? how is that necessary?
Irulan Acara > we get back to the good and evil thereÆs npc rats that do the same and there are players that have a thrill for fighting
Jade Constantine > but why target beginners and blow the crap out of them? ThereÆs no thrill in that fighting unless its a sadistic thrill no profit no point just being a schoolyard bully
Irulan Acara > true but again its a necessary evil you wont get rid of all the pirates
Jade Constantine > but why? Why is it necessary to tyrannise new players? In 10.0 systems
Irulan Acara > well that changed
Jade Constantine > I really don't understand that
Irulan Acara > tank or any pirate canÆt go there anymore only .4 and below
Jade Constantine > but if they could ... would you still be sending your M3G4 pilots there to bully and destroy new players?
Irulan Acara > Personally No
Jade Constantine > so you condemn TankCEO ?
Irulan Acara > no
Jade Constantine > ?
Irulan Acara > he canÆt do it anymore and he hasnÆt been pirating in weeks
Jade Constantine > you think itÆs a valid career choice for a M3G4 corp member still?
Irulan Acara > we do carry out pirate activities but we do other things as well we mine build and we fight very well in this war
Jade Constantine > well the results do seem to prove that out, but you are part of the Northern Piratical Alliance and thus allied to the goal of making Venal a den of pirates and murderers
Irulan Acara > Northern alliance yes, à no
Jade Constantine > okay, yes or no then ?
Irulan Acara > our plans for venal are much less brutal
Jade Constantine > how can they be less brutal when they include the Paladins of the Red Skull Space Invaders Andras Pandemonium Scenites
Irulan Acara > if we wanted to pirate donÆt you think wed pick a more highly travelled system but let me give you something to think of before we get back to the venal war
Irulan Acara > take sir Francis drake the Spanish all despised him for piracy but to the British he is a hero and they all idolize him
Jade Constantine > he was a privateer and worked for us, so we do indeed
Irulan Acara > its how you look at buccaneers that make them bad or good to us your the pirates oh yes you didnÆt know weÆve received numerous reports of venal alliance members killing people not even involved mainly from kia an kod but that too is justified to a degree
Jade Constantine > thats an interesting point of view we understand that taggart have been using a lot of alts and fake companies to run blockades at Y-4 and N-J
Irulan Acara > we donÆt know who is supplying which side and who is just exploring
so your just as guilty as we are in a certain point of view
Jade Constantine > we do warn people not to come to Y-4 and N-J for that reason so no, I think our collective conscience is clear
Irulan Acara > we provide the same warning, as is ours we warn people to leave those systems just before an attack if possible we warn people to stay clear of venal period
Jade Constantine > can you summarise the message you would like me to take to the NVA council? the proposal from the Northern Piratical Alliance i will be happy to carry it to them
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Jade Constantine
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/09/2003 01:45:21
Irulan Acara > first stop calling us that and well stop calling you the new virgin alliance or the newly violated alliance name calling is very immature
Jade Constantine > i don't mind those names
Irulan Acara > and you are obviously a very intelligent person notice i havenÆt trashed you one bit
Jade Constantine > why thank you m'dear
Jade Constantine > to interject if you wish to be known as the "Northern Alliance" I would suggest that you draft a declaration of your principles and publish a list of your aims and intentions and member corporations as we have done that way, we know who it is we are talking about you have suggested you have 20 member corps but we only know 6-7 of them hence its difficult to understand exactly what your alliance is about and "Taggart Transpiratical" is a convenient term that make sense m'dear?
Irulan Acara > ok ill talk to the council and see what will happen
Jade Constantine > jolly good so back to your terms that you would like me to carry to the NVA council
Irulan Acara > i will convo you what our terms are for you leaving in peace we will give you a message soon
Jade Constantine > ah okay ... I will be waiting with baited breath
Irulan Acara > let me consult the council
Jade Constantine > it has been nice talking to you
Irulan Acara > as will i im sure it will be reasonable
Jade Constantine > oh i never thought otherwise m'dear
Irulan Acara > as i am honoured by your presence
Jade Constantine > oh you flatter me
*Time passes*
Jade Constantine > hello m'dear
Irulan Acara > hello again ok first this is by no means an ultimatum
Jade Constantine > ah interesting to hear
Irulan Acara > all members of NA are in support of this so i speak for them in the respect of this proposal; now bear in mind we are doing this to save you and your allies face donÆt know if you heard you suffered yet another crippling defeat
Jade Constantine > please monsieur we are both adults
Irulan Acara > ok here it is; After carefully reviewing the chat logs and numbers and strengths of both fleets, we have come to a decision regarding the terms For the resolution of the current conflict, 1st, you will withdraw ALL NVA ships from Venal, 2nd We will post that it was Not a surrender but a withdraw, 3rd NO reparations will be paid or demanded by NA, By accepting the first and second stipulation you will be granted a full 72 hours to withdraw, should one ship so much as target on your side the cease fire will end the war will re commence. As the end of the 72 hours all NVA offices will be closed. Following a successful completion of the 72 hour cease fire all hostilities will end and leadership will not post demeaning propaganda. These terms are more than fair. And for the sake of your noobs and miners we recommend you comply. You have 24 hours to reply. Once it is announced in both our alliance channels and acknowledged by all the cease fire will begin for 72 hours in which you will comply with the above
Jade Constantine > i shall pass the terms along to the NVA council m'dear
Irulan Acara > and your feelings? We want you to leave
Jade Constantine > i know
Irulan Acara > we are willing to do this as honourably as possible it will suck but there is always a losing side in every game as i stated before goto curse no one will bother you or your allies we wont
Jade Constantine > you know that isn't going to happen
Irulan Acara > as i said the minute the 72 hour period is up NO member corp of the alliance will attack you unprovoked
Jade Constantine > you do know that the old VA powers would rather make common cause with Rus corp don't you? and invite them in to spoil the ground for M3G4 even if it means we ultimately gain nothing
Irulan Acara > and we can drag moo and sinister in them they hate rus and would love to get involved
Jade Constantine > you can try
Irulan Acara > it can grow and grow
Jade Constantine > but drag Sinister and you drag fountain back and Xan and Evo
Irulan Acara > if moo comes so will sinister
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Jade Constantine
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/09/2003 01:46:24
Jade Constantine > we know the potentials and you were kind to admit my powers of persuasion
Irulan Acara > galactic war and is it worth it? We can fight forever tis our job
Jade Constantine> Rus are lovely chaps so very organised
Irulan Acara > and so easily crushed
Jade Constantine > lol i'll mention that you said that, if i may?
Irulan Acara > if you only wish to make life worse for yourself what will you give them in the end? Look i suggest you consider leaving, if not come up with a REASONABLE alternative
Jade Constantine > what we would give them is everything in exchange for your destruction ultimately its the only coin worth having or paying and seriously your terms are humiliating m'dear, things can't get much worse than considering such things
Irulan Acara > one calm down
Jade Constantine > i am entirely calm sipping wine munching peanuts and typing out stuck petitions
Irulan Acara > two humiliation is a small price to pay to end the killing
Jade Constantine > humiliation is actually a view large price to pay for as i said, the killing is no bad thing
Irulan Acara > ITS A GAME
Jade Constantine > thats true and all the more reason to play it to the hilt
Irulan Acara > this is going beyond rp
Jade Constantine > no not at all haven't you ever played diplomacy? or civilisation or any such game with high stakes and political manoeuvre? these discussions are the meat and drink of such endeavour
Irulan Acara > I just donÆt want this conflict to escalate
Jade Constantine > why not?
Irulan Acara > cause then it will be hard to end
Jade Constantine > I think escalation is sometimes entirely necessary
Irulan Acara > and people ill be ****ed on both sides
Jade Constantine > why would we want it to stop?
Irulan Acara > well madam you are losing
Jade Constantine > is that a reason to throw in the towel? if you are a taking a beating in the first couple of rounds of the fight you can always conserve your strength and hope for a late return to dominance
Irulan Acara > you can hope and your true reason for this conflict is a minor argument in the whole scope of this
Jade Constantine > it wasn't a minor argument and it wasn't my reason
Irulan Acara > yes it is
Jade Constantine > i'm afraid you have been misinformed there
Irulan Acara > every convo you seem to love telling me of ttiÆs villainy
Jade Constantine > you should talk to some of the powers outside our little game tti offended me, yes and they declared war on once allies, yes but that wasn't the reason all these things have come to pass
Irulan Acara > im a soldier and as a soldier i take no honour in killing those who canÆt fight
Jade Constantine > you need to be a little more imaginative, don't think for a minute this is a small dispute
Irulan Acara > your imagination is very vivid as well, then what is it? why did it start as a war with tti?
Jade Constantine > my imagination is vivid, ask yourself "who gains"? Look at what happened? And ask "who gains"?
Irulan Acara > why not fight them yourselves directly? As a miner and builder i gain
Jade Constantine > you are thinking too small
Irulan Acara > my corp alliance and future nation gain
Jade Constantine > really? i think you may add "star struck" idealist to your list of attributes m'dear
Irulan Acara > oh yes
Jade Constantine > seriously
Irulan Acara > in the end i will be able to go back to mining peacefully
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Jade Constantine
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Edited by: Jade Constantine on 23/09/2003 01:47:22
Jade Constantine > that will never happen for you Irulan
Irulan Acara > but now i fight because that is my place
Jade Constantine > unless you leave M3G4 and make a new life
Irulan Acara > i dont think so
Jade Constantine > there are too many corps with to many war declarations and to much time on their hands to allow M3G4 to know peace
Irulan Acara > so you believe people cant change or evolve beyond myth and legend
Jade Constantine > some can, some can't
Irulan Acara > we have been here, not pirating, piracy in our area has dropped way off
Jade Constantine > the public always need villains m'dear and you chaps fit the bill, even other pirates use you as an example of merriment
Irulan Acara > and your making yourself one to some as well
Jade Constantine > well as for me? 'tis fame and notoriety in even doses but that was inevitable when ragnar set the bounty
Irulan Acara > i came here because you invited me thinking we could work this out but you have lost all interest in peace and every minute you try to fight and not be the bigger person and leave you come closer to what we were
Jade Constantine > i invited your proposal my dear and i will present it as agreed in that, i shall be as good as my word have no fear
Irulan Acara > then do so and as good as my word shall you accept this will all end no more bounties no more threats no animosity or gloating
Jade Constantine > who knows, madness may afflict the NVA and they may accept
Irulan Acara > and if they do will you
Jade Constantine > i can't Irulan ... I am doomed to continue fighting forever because of the bounty
Irulan Acara > no not never, the bounties will not continue
Jade Constantine > but how can that be?
Irulan Acara > let me ask you something
Jade Constantine > please do?
Irulan Acara > honestly
Jade Constantine > of course
Irulan Acara > what do you think of me all politics aside
Jade Constantine > in what way?
Irulan Acara > each of our atrocities forgotten
Jade Constantine > haha
Irulan Acara > as a person do you trust me? As in if we met elsewhere would you consider me a friend?
Jade Constantine > I think you would keep your word but I have difficulty understanding the company you keep
Irulan Acara > forget the corp, would you accept me as a friend? Because if you do thatÆs a start.
Jade Constantine > I can't make that decision because you have chosen you league yourself with snakes and that does open your personality to question
Irulan Acara > am I a snake? Then how do you know we are all snakes?
Jade Constantine > I know the taggart board and ragnar are snakes and your have taken their side
Irulan Acara > have you met and talked to people from our corp or others you crusade against?
Jade Constantine > and I know very well what ragnar did and why
Irulan Acara > they are our allies have been and always will be and as men and women of honor we fight side by side with them; every corp or member that has quit your alliance has been allowed to leave in peace
Jade Constantine > you see this is the problem; I know that tti tell lies and act dishonourably
Irulan Acara > we have proven our honor tti is an equal we have the same pull as they do
Jade Constantine > and so to league with them is to be tainted by that dishonour, fine words aside itÆs a simple question of right and wrong
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Art Dillinja
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Irulan Acara > and we can drag moo and sinister in them they hate rus and would love to get involved
i liked this one especially.
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Jade Constantine
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I thought that was pretty telling as well ... I think perhaps lovely little Irulan has not been doing her political homework.
Love and peace
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Christopher Xen
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ok now for the FULL log
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Christopher Xen
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[ 2003.09.21 15:48:48 ] Irulan Acara > sorry ctd
[ 2003.09.21 15:48:55 ] Jade Constantine > me too
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:03 ] Irulan Acara > now with out the crowd
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:14 ] Irulan Acara > heres what i see
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:17 ] Jade Constantine > off the record ... its a flaky old business
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:22 ] Irulan Acara > yeah
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:26 ] Jade Constantine > (this patch)
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:28 ] Irulan Acara > but we must do our duty
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:34 ] Irulan Acara > oh yeah
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:37 ] Irulan Acara > i agree
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:44 ] Irulan Acara > weve had problems like everyone else
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:54 ] Jade Constantine > yep everyone is having them
[ 2003.09.21 15:49:58 ] Irulan Acara > now as i was saying
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:07 ] Jade Constantine > so ... your situation ..
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:07 ] Irulan Acara > before everyone got involved
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:18 ] Irulan Acara > our situation is perfect
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:21 ] Irulan Acara > couldnt be better
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:31 ] Jade Constantine > please pass my apologies to the chaps btw
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:37 ] Irulan Acara > its ok
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:38 ] Jade Constantine > let them know i crashed
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:40 ] Irulan Acara > we all get heated
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:44 ] Jade Constantine > and wasn't being rude
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:49 ] Irulan Acara > i know
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:53 ] Irulan Acara > they understand
[ 2003.09.21 15:50:59 ] Irulan Acara > were all cool and civil
[ 2003.09.21 15:51:10 ] Jade Constantine > good good
[ 2003.09.21 15:51:25 ] Irulan Acara > and as far as your members that are mature i do honor them
[ 2003.09.21 15:51:29 ] Irulan Acara > they are worthy foes
[ 2003.09.21 15:51:36 ] Irulan Acara > however
[ 2003.09.21 15:51:55 ] Irulan Acara > you yourself may be missinformed about the war
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:06 ] Irulan Acara > your corps kill a cruiser and call it a battleship
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:12 ] Jade Constantine > its possible
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:21 ] Jade Constantine > but that does happen on both sides
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:21 ] Irulan Acara > what i provide is accurate unbias loss lists
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:33 ] Jade Constantine > my blackbird was reported as a raven
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:35 ] Jade Constantine > ;)
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:40 ] Irulan Acara > i dont work or have contact with tti most of the time
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:45 ] Irulan Acara > yes
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[ 2003.09.21 16:04:59 ] Irulan Acara > and by hiring you are also condoning thier piratical activities
[ 2003.09.21 16:05:16 ] Jade Constantine > stain is neither here or there really m'dear, all i'd say is that you chaps tried to involve Mass on your side, and we gained the support of Solar winds as ideological allies
[ 2003.09.21 16:05:21 ] Jade Constantine > there has been no hiring
[ 2003.09.21 16:05:28 ] Jade Constantine > how could there be?
[ 2003.09.21 16:05:32 ] Jade Constantine > the NVA is broke
[ 2003.09.21 16:05:37 ] Jade Constantine > and without funds
[ 2003.09.21 16:05:55 ] Irulan Acara > well they seem to have included and i quote NVA mercs
[ 2003.09.21 16:06:03 ] Irulan Acara > in thier corp description
[ 2003.09.21 16:06:15 ] Irulan Acara > and who can forget their attack on jan destroying all
[ 2003.09.21 16:06:39 ] Irulan Acara > and even if your ideallogical allies you condone thier activites in directly
[ 2003.09.21 16:06:58 ] Jade Constantine > ideological allies fight for a common cause
[ 2003.09.21 16:07:12 ] Jade Constantine > in this case the destruction of Paladins of the Red Skull
[ 2003.09.21 16:07:14 ] Irulan Acara > then couldnt you say the same fore m3g4 and tti
[ 2003.09.21 16:07:19 ] Jade Constantine > who solar winds really do not like
[ 2003.09.21 16:07:48 ] Irulan Acara > we beileve in each other and want to take venal for ourselves
[ 2003.09.21 16:39:19 ] Irulan Acara > damn its bad today
[ 2003.09.21 16:39:33 ] Irulan Acara > but let me give you something to think of before we get back to the venal war
[ 2003.09.21 16:39:36 ] Jade Constantine > yep .... a big memory leak in chat i think
[ 2003.09.21 16:39:42 ] Jade Constantine > okay
[ 2003.09.21 16:39:46 ] Jade Constantine > am listening
[ 2003.09.21 16:39:53 ] Irulan Acara > take sir francis drake
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:03 ] Irulan Acara > the spanish all despised him for piracy
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:13 ] Jade Constantine > he was a privateer
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:17 ] Irulan Acara > but to the british hes a hero and they all idolize him
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:20 ] Jade Constantine > and worked for us
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:28 ] Jade Constantine > we do indeed
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:40 ] Irulan Acara > its how you look at buccaneers that make them bad or good
[ 2003.09.21 16:40:51 ] Irulan Acara > to us your the pirates
[ 2003.09.21 16:41:01 ] Irulan Acara > oh yes you didnt know
[ 2003.09.21 16:41:14 ] Jade Constantine > thats an interesting point of view
[ 2003.09.21 16:41:21 ] Irulan Acara > weve recieved numerous reports of venal alliance members killing people not even involved
[ 2003.09.21 16:41:37 ] Irulan Acara > mainly from kia an kod
[ 2003.09.21 16:41:59 ] Irulan Acara > but that too is justified to a degree
[ 2003.09.21 16:42:07 ] Jade Constantine > we understand that taggart have been using a lot of alts and fake companies to run blockades at Y-4 and N-J
[ 2003.09.21 16:42:26 ] Irulan Acara > we dont know who is supplying which side and who is just exploring
[ 2003.09.21 16:42:39 ] Irulan Acara > so your just as guilty as we are
[ 2003.09.21 16:42:48 ] Irulan Acara > in a certain point of view
[ 2003.09.21 16:42:52 ] Jade Constantine > we do warn people not to come to Y-4 and N-J for that reason
[ 2003.09.21 16:43:12 ] Irulan Acara > we provide the same warning
[ 2003.09.21 16:43:12 ] Jade Constantine > so no, I think our collective conscience is clear
[ 2003.09.21 16:43:19 ] Irulan Acara > as is ours
[ 2003.09.21 16:43:37 ] Irulan Acara > we warn people to leave those systems just before an attack if possible
[ 2003.09.21 16:43:49 ] Irulan Acara > we warn people to stay clear of venal period
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[ 2003.09.21 15:52:51 ] Jade Constantine > but what is your estimate of the losses so far?
[ 2003.09.21 15:52:57 ] Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front
[ 2003.09.21 15:53:05 ] Irulan Acara > not many
[ 2003.09.21 15:53:20 ] Irulan Acara > over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers
[ 2003.09.21 15:53:46 ] Irulan Acara > your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers
[ 2003.09.21 15:54:00 ] Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps
[ 2003.09.21 15:54:00 ] Jade Constantine > thats pretty bad
[ 2003.09.21 15:54:17 ] Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating
[ 2003.09.21 15:54:26 ] Irulan Acara > most of which we have corpses to back this up
[ 2003.09.21 15:54:34 ] Irulan Acara > some screen shots
[ 2003.09.21 15:54:44 ] Jade Constantine > indeed
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:00 ] Jade Constantine > though i think you should use links rather than pasting screen shots
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:02 ] Irulan Acara > the point im trying to get across is i was a miner myself
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:17 ] Irulan Acara > and i care for people in eve
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:18 ] Jade Constantine > you did rather sabotage my birth of the NVA thread
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:38 ] Irulan Acara > theres two sides to every story but as i was saying
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:40 ] Jade Constantine > as of course do we
[ 2003.09.21 15:55:58 ] Irulan Acara > tti is our ally and we honor them
[ 2003.09.21 15:56:03 ] Jade Constantine > hence the freespace pledge in the new NVA declaration of principles
[ 2003.09.21 15:56:08 ] Irulan Acara > most from what i see are always willing to help noobs
[ 2003.09.21 15:56:21 ] Jade Constantine > of course
[ 2003.09.21 15:56:25 ] Irulan Acara > but this war is almost futile for your confederation
[ 2003.09.21 15:56:44 ] Irulan Acara > and we wish you remove those not capable of fighting from the region at the very least
[ 2003.09.21 15:57:11 ] Jade Constantine > well ... that does somewhat betray the purpose of the NVA
[ 2003.09.21 15:57:21 ] Irulan Acara > you can almost compare this too world war one
[ 2003.09.21 15:57:26 ] Jade Constantine > which was to open the region for free space and civilised commerce
[ 2003.09.21 15:57:42 ] Irulan Acara > two factions have a minor argument and then all the allies and principles get dragged in to a bloody conflict
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:03 ] Jade Constantine > there is merit to that position
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:13 ] Jade Constantine > but it was more than a minor disagreement
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:17 ] Irulan Acara > now we will never abndon tti
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:34 ] Irulan Acara > and no doubt there are those who wont abandon jericho
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:40 ] Jade Constantine > can i ask you a hypothetical question ?
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:44 ] Irulan Acara > but they dont fight for your honor or argument
[ 2003.09.21 15:58:50 ] Irulan Acara > yes
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:07 ] Jade Constantine > what will M3G4 do if TTI sue for peace with the NVA
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:22 ] Jade Constantine > as their representatives are already appearing to do
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:31 ] Irulan Acara > the northern alliance will vote
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:36 ] Irulan Acara > tti is not the ruling body
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:46 ] Irulan Acara > they are simply equals
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:57 ] Irulan Acara > however we will take venal
[ 2003.09.21 15:59:58 ] Jade Constantine > can i ask how the votes are distributed in the Northern alliance?
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:10 ] Irulan Acara > i cannot go into detail
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:21 ] Jade Constantine > ie ... what weight each corporation has in voting
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:24 ] Jade Constantine > i ask,m
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:28 ] Irulan Acara > there are well over 20 corps
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:30 ] Jade Constantine > because in the VA council days
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:43 ] Jade Constantine > TTI wanted their full membership to count
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:43 ] Irulan Acara > and each has an equal say
[ 2003.09.21 16:00:54 ] Jade Constantine > in voting
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:15 ] Jade Constantine > and thus dwarf the say of smaller corps
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:27 ] Irulan Acara > i cant imagine were talking of the same tti
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:29 ] Jade Constantine > have they now agreed to one corp one vote?
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:39 ] Irulan Acara > tti is very cooperative and will support us to the end
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:44 ] Jade Constantine > are you saying tti have changed?
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:52 ] Jade Constantine > radically in the past 3 weeks?
[ 2003.09.21 16:01:57 ] Irulan Acara > they seem very civilized
[ 2003.09.21 16:02:06 ] Irulan Acara > as we all are
[ 2003.09.21 16:02:14 ] Jade Constantine > who are you primarily speaking to at TTI?
[ 2003.09.21 16:02:34 ] Irulan Acara > again i cannot devulge that info
[ 2003.09.21 16:02:44 ] Jade Constantine > ah
[ 2003.09.21 16:02:44 ] Irulan Acara > no names
[ 2003.09.21 16:02:53 ] Irulan Acara > we will not give you a
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2003.09.21 16:53:03 ] Jade Constantine > ah okay ... I will be waiting with baited breath
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:10 ] Irulan Acara > let me consult the counsil
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:18 ] Irulan Acara > as will i im sure it will be reasonable
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:19 ] Jade Constantine > it has been nice talking to you
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:33 ] Jade Constantine > oh i never thought otherwise m'dear
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:38 ] Irulan Acara > as i am honored by your presence
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:49 ] Jade Constantine > oh you flatter me
[ 2003.09.21 16:53:56 ] Irulan Acara > and by this convo talk to you soon
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:03 ] Christopher Xen > hello again
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:03 ] Jade Constantine > hello m'dear
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:10 ] Jade Constantine > i've only just got unstuck
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:19 ] Jade Constantine > damn highway links
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:19 ] Christopher Xen > ok first this is by no means an ultimatum
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:45 ] Jade Constantine > ah interesting to here
[ 2003.09.22 02:30:49 ] Jade Constantine > hear even ;)
[ 2003.09.22 02:31:12 ] Christopher Xen > all members of NA are in support of this so i speak for them in the respect of this proposal
[ 2003.09.22 02:31:34 ] Christopher Xen > now bear in mind we are doing htis to save you and your allies face
[ 2003.09.22 02:31:48 ] Jade Constantine > please monsieur
[ 2003.09.22 02:31:53 ] Christopher Xen > dont know if you heard you suffered yet another crippling defeat
[ 2003.09.22 02:31:58 ] Christopher Xen > ok here it is
[ 2003.09.22 02:32:01 ] Jade Constantine > we are both adults
[ 2003.09.22 02:32:09 ] Christopher Xen > 2003.09.22 00:12:00
After carefully reviewin the chat logs and numbers and stregths of both fleets, we have come to a decision regarding the terms For ther resolution of the current conflict, !st, you will withdraw ALL NVA ships from Venal, 2nd We will post that it was Not a surrender but a withdraw, 3rd NO reperations will be paid or demaded by NA, By accepting the first and second stipulation you will be granted a full 72 hours to with draw, should one ship so much as target on your side the cease fire will end the war will re commence. Ast the end of the 72 hours all NVA offices will be closed. Following a successful completion of the 72 hour cease fire all hostilities will end and leadership will not post demeaning propoganda. These terms are more than fair. And for the sake of your noobs and miners we recommend you comply. you have 24 hours to reply. once it is announced in both our alliance channels and acknowledged by all the cease fire will begin for 72 hours in which you will comply with the above
[ 2003.09.22 02:33:33 ] Jade Constantine > i shall pass the terms along to the NVA council m'dear
[ 2003.09.22 02:33:44 ] Christopher Xen > and your feelings
[ 2003.09.22 02:34:05 ] Jade Constantine > it's not for me to say at this point
[ 2003.09.22 02:34:14 ] Christopher Xen > can i point something out
[ 2003.09.22 02:34:19 ] Jade Constantine > i will merely pass the terms to the member corps
[ 2003.09.22 02:34:21 ] Jade Constantine > please do
[ 2003.09.22 02:35:05 ] Christopher Xen > you are for all intense and purposes a hero and a villian for your people, a hero for the wonderful work youve done rallying
[ 2003.09.22 02:35:16 ] Christopher Xen > you are truely a great leader and figure head
[ 2003.09.22 02:35:21 ] Christopher Xen > how ever
[ 2003.09.22 02:35:48 ] Christopher Xen > sending and rallying people into this war is only bringin the destruction of the corps infrastructure and morale
[ 2003.09.22 02:36:12 ] Christopher Xen > your ships in 6n h-p and y-4 stayed in station for hours
[ 2003.09.22 02:36:16 ] Christopher Xen > just now
[ 2003.09.22 02:36:26 ] Jade Constantine > i think you may overstate my influence my dear
[ 2003.09.22 02:36:36 ] Christopher Xen > no
[ 2003.09.22 02:36:46 ] Christopher Xen > you are truely a great polotician in this game
[ 2003.09.22 02:37:22 ] Christopher Xen > and at this point you need to rally your alliance to end this petty dispute
[ 2003.09.22 02:37:31 ] Christopher Xen > cause its going out of porportion
[ 2003.09.22 02:37:37 ] Christopher Xen > think now
[ 2003.09.22 02:37:39 ] Jade Constantine > but a truly great politician would not be facing defeat and total humiliation surely?
[ 2003.09.22 02:37:50 ] Christopher Xen > one your not
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[ 2003.09.21 16:44:02 ] Jade Constantine > can you summarise the message you would like me to take to the NVA council?
[ 2003.09.21 16:44:19 ] Jade Constantine > the proposal from the Northern Piratical Alliance
[ 2003.09.21 16:44:26 ] Irulan Acara > first
[ 2003.09.21 16:44:31 ] Jade Constantine > i will be happy to carry it to them
[ 2003.09.21 16:44:41 ] Irulan Acara > stop callin us that and well stop calling you the new virgin alliance
[ 2003.09.21 16:44:52 ] Irulan Acara > or the newly violated alliance
[ 2003.09.21 16:44:58 ] Irulan Acara > name calling is very immature
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:04 ] Jade Constantine > i don't mind those names
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:08 ] Irulan Acara > and you are obviously a very intelligent person
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:18 ] Jade Constantine > why thank you m'dear
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:34 ] Irulan Acara > notice i havent trashed you one bit
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:36 ] Jade Constantine > to interject
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:40 ] Irulan Acara > now
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:45 ] Irulan Acara > what we want said
[ 2003.09.21 16:45:54 ] Jade Constantine > if you wish to be known as the "Northern Alllaince"
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:07 ] Jade Constantine > I would suggest that you draft a declaration of your principles
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:16 ] Jade Constantine > and publish a list of your aims and intentions
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:23 ] Jade Constantine > and member corporations
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:27 ] Jade Constantine > as we have done
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:38 ] Jade Constantine > that way, we know who it is we are talking about
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:50 ] Jade Constantine > you have suggested you have 20 member corps
[ 2003.09.21 16:46:59 ] Jade Constantine > but we only know 6-7 of them
[ 2003.09.21 16:47:15 ] Jade Constantine > hence its difficult to understand exactly what your alliance is about
[ 2003.09.21 16:47:33 ] Jade Constantine > and "Taggart Transpiratical" is a convenient term
[ 2003.09.21 16:47:42 ] Jade Constantine > does that make sense m'dear?
[ 2003.09.21 16:52:18 ] Irulan Acara > ok ill talk to the counsil and see what will happen
[ 2003.09.21 16:52:28 ] Jade Constantine > jolly good
[ 2003.09.21 16:52:33 ] Jade Constantine > so back to your terms
[ 2003.09.21 16:52:42 ] Irulan Acara > i will convo you what our terms are for you leaving in peace
[ 2003.09.21 16:52:47 ] Jade Constantine > that you would like me to carry to the NVA council
[ 2003.09.21 16:52:58 ] Irulan Acara > we will give you a message soon
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2003.09.22 02:56:12 ] Christopher Xen > i dount it would be eternal
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:15 ] Christopher Xen > yes
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:27 ] Melisande > i think Venal could be the Saudakaur training place
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:28 ] Christopher Xen > your taking the position of the atreidies
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:36 ] Christopher Xen > or corrino
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:52 ] Christopher Xen > but
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:06 ] Christopher Xen > sasla sucundus was a prison
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:28 ] Melisande > i prefer to see my self as Bene Gesserit
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:29 ] Christopher Xen > and corrino sent ciminals there
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:32 ] Melisande > i think
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:46 ] Christopher Xen > jericos living up to it
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:48 ] Melisande > Jericho builds mythologies
[ 2003.09.22 02:57:53 ] Melisande > and breaks them
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:03 ] Christopher Xen > always in the shadows never seen
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:16 ] Melisande > oh we are very often seen
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:24 ] Christopher Xen > whispering in the ear of those who wield mediocre power
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:27 ] Melisande > i am always speaking to chaps in local
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:34 ] Christopher Xen > weve yet to see you in combat
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:47 ] Melisande > oh thats scarcely true
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:48 ] Christopher Xen > but thats what isee
[ 2003.09.22 02:58:55 ] Christopher Xen > and i fight in many battles
[ 2003.09.22 02:59:01 ] Melisande > i locked a megathron the weekend before last
[ 2003.09.22 02:59:12 ] Melisande > before you suprised our gate party
[ 2003.09.22 02:59:43 ] Christopher Xen > remeber your fighting in our way
[ 2003.09.22 02:59:50 ] Christopher Xen > and we are professionals
[ 2003.09.22 02:59:51 ] Melisande > but ... its true partially ... my time is better spent in politics
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:02 ] Christopher Xen > its not you
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:05 ] Christopher Xen > its jericho
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:06 ] Melisande > because i am quite a poor combat pilot
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:25 ] Melisande > jericho isn't a combat corp
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:31 ] Melisande > everyone knows that
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:39 ] Melisande > we never have been
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:43 ] Christopher Xen > niether is tti
[ 2003.09.22 03:00:55 ] Christopher Xen > but we both have militarys now
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:03 ] Christopher Xen > people who do yur dirty work
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:09 ] Melisande > tti is big enough to have a military brance
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:09 ] Christopher Xen > id say tti
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:15 ] Melisande > branch
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:19 ] Christopher Xen > but they are fighting along side
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:32 ] Melisande > but m'dear, we don't do dirty work
[ 2003.09.22 03:01:34 ] Christopher Xen > few jericho ships are even seen
[ 2003.09.22 03:02:08 ] Melisande > thats because we don't have many
[ 2003.09.22 03:02:27 ] Melisande > and those we had got destroyed by the Fountain Alliance mostly
[ 2003.09.22 03:02:44 ] Melisande > we were rather convincingly crushed m'dear
[ 2003.09.22 03:02:54 ] Christopher Xen > honestly no one cares about your vendetta. even your own alliance. no reinforcements from your alliance ever show
[ 2003.09.22 03:03:19 ] Melisande > we lost more battleships and cruisers against the FA that M3G4 have lost in the NVA campaign
[ 2003.09.22 03:03:22 ] Christopher Xen > and 75% of the time those who fight are locked in station
[ 2003.09.22 03:03:47 ] Christopher Xen > well 10 ships only 2 of which were bs is easy to top
[ 2003.09.22 03:04:16 ] Christopher Xen > lets take for example one member who was killed in a frig today
[ 2003.09.22 03:04:23 ] Christopher Xen > your alliance called it a bs
[ 2003.09.22 03:44:41 ] Jade Constantine > back in my body!
[ 2003.09.22 03:44:46 ] Christopher Xen > froze up soory
[ 2003.09.22 03:44:51 ] Christopher Xen > ok
[ 2003.09.22 03:45:35 ] Christopher Xen > ok lets just end this and call it a night i have work in the morning
[ 2003.09.22 03:45:44 ] Christopher Xen > i leave you with this thought
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[ 2003.09.22 02:37:58 ] Christopher Xen > we are by no means gloating
[ 2003.09.22 02:38:05 ] Christopher Xen > even tti shut up
[ 2003.09.22 02:38:17 ] Christopher Xen > they wont say a frikin word
[ 2003.09.22 02:38:22 ] Christopher Xen > or rub it in
[ 2003.09.22 02:38:29 ] Jade Constantine > total withdrawal from venal and closure of offices is total defeat
[ 2003.09.22 02:38:43 ] Jade Constantine > it really doesn't get much worse than that
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:06 ] Christopher Xen > this conflict between jericho and tti has become , proportionately now, a meaningless arguement and childish dispute
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:15 ] Christopher Xen > most alliance members dont even understand
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:28 ] Jade Constantine > well hardly meaningless
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:40 ] Christopher Xen > to you and tti it means something
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:49 ] Christopher Xen > but now whole fleets and nations are involved
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:55 ] Jade Constantine > if the price of failure is that 26 corporations need to offer unconditiional surrender
[ 2003.09.22 02:39:58 ] Jade Constantine > and leave venal
[ 2003.09.22 02:40:02 ] Christopher Xen > that had absolutely nothing to do with it
[ 2003.09.22 02:40:16 ] Jade Constantine > thats actually very significant indeed
[ 2003.09.22 02:40:28 ] Christopher Xen > no not in my eyes
[ 2003.09.22 02:40:37 ] Christopher Xen > you fought with great vvalor
[ 2003.09.22 02:40:48 ] Jade Constantine > it will be in their eyes i assure you
[ 2003.09.22 02:40:59 ] Jade Constantine > since a stake in venal is a stake in the future
[ 2003.09.22 02:41:03 ] Christopher Xen > theres two ways this can go
[ 2003.09.22 02:41:24 ] Christopher Xen > you can leave now while you still have what you need to make a future else where
[ 2003.09.22 02:41:24 ] Jade Constantine > and retreat to empire space is pretty much a defeat in detail and large scale for their ambitions
[ 2003.09.22 02:41:37 ] Christopher Xen > or
[ 2003.09.22 02:41:48 ] Christopher Xen > if things keep up this way youll all have nothing
[ 2003.09.22 02:41:50 ] Jade Constantine > be destroyed utterly?
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:01 ] Jade Constantine > broken to dust?
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:03 ] Christopher Xen > that is a possiblity
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:25 ] Christopher Xen > northern allaince has evolved beyond a meager military alliance
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:31 ] Christopher Xen > it is becoming a nation
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:38 ] Jade Constantine > i see
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:53 ] Jade Constantine > its interesting
[ 2003.09.22 02:42:57 ] Christopher Xen > and as such we are not trying to grinf you
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:08 ] Jade Constantine > grinf?
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:12 ] Christopher Xen > but we will take this space
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:16 ] Christopher Xen > grind
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:22 ] Jade Constantine > ah
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:27 ] Christopher Xen > how many deaths does it take
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:32 ] Jade Constantine > just out of interest
[ 2003.09.22 02:43:40 ] Christopher Xen > before you swallow your pride
[ 2003.09.22 02:44:08 ] Jade Constantine > do you suppose M3G4's many enemies will allow you to gain a foothold in Venal unopposed?
[ 2003.09.22 02:44:32 ] Jade Constantine > we discussed quite a few possibiliies this evening
[ 2003.09.22 02:44:41 ] Christopher Xen > they can try
[ 2003.09.22 02:44:53 ] Jade Constantine > and of course
[ 2003.09.22 02:44:54 ] Christopher Xen > weve had our asses handed to us in the past
[ 2003.09.22 02:45:12 ] Christopher Xen > but as a the NA is now established most of us can reform
[ 2003.09.22 02:45:15 ] Jade Constantine > we have seen taggart and m3g4 strategies these past weeks
[ 2003.09.22 02:45:31 ] Jade Constantine > its easy to keep station offices
[ 2003.09.22 02:45:45 ] Jade Constantine > and to run guerilla spoiling ops
[ 2003.09.22 02:45:54 ] Jade Constantine > just as we could not mine in safety
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:05 ] Jade Constantine > surely you see we could do the same to you?
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:14 ] Christopher Xen > but you havent
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:20 ] Christopher Xen > not cause you dont want to
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:30 ] Jade Constantine > thats because at the moment we are the defenders
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:38 ] Christopher Xen > but lets face it you have yet to win one major engagement
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:38 ] Jade Constantine > if you win
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:44 ] Jade Constantine > we will become the invaders
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2003.09.22 02:46:53 ] Jade Constantine > its the flow of things
[ 2003.09.22 02:46:53 ] Christopher Xen > possible
[ 2003.09.22 02:47:03 ] Jade Constantine > the eb and flow of the tides of war
[ 2003.09.22 02:47:25 ] Christopher Xen > we are not desiring a protracted galactic wide war
[ 2003.09.22 02:47:36 ] Jade Constantine > oh i know
[ 2003.09.22 02:47:39 ] Christopher Xen > because of a dispute
[ 2003.09.22 02:47:53 ] Christopher Xen > it is quickly becoming that as corps rush to both sides
[ 2003.09.22 02:48:12 ] Christopher Xen > and it can trickle in to empire space
[ 2003.09.22 02:48:31 ] Christopher Xen > it is our purpose to end this madness here and now
[ 2003.09.22 02:50:25 ] Melisande > this is jade
[ 2003.09.22 02:50:32 ] Melisande > i got stuck again
[ 2003.09.22 02:50:47 ] Melisande > you were talking about a protacted war
[ 2003.09.22 02:50:51 ] Christopher Xen > its ok where did i stop
[ 2003.09.22 02:50:57 ] Christopher Xen > yes
[ 2003.09.22 02:50:59 ] Melisande > and not wanting one
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:04 ] Christopher Xen > this can trickle to empire space
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:14 ] Melisande > but i think you need to understand
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:18 ] Melisande > that of the 26 NVA member corps
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:29 ] Melisande > a proportion of them will likely never leave
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:37 ] Melisande > whatever the council decides
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:40 ] Christopher Xen > agreed
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:46 ] Christopher Xen > and we will go from there
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:50 ] Melisande > and will chose eternal guerilla strikes
[ 2003.09.22 02:51:59 ] Melisande > and spoiler warfare
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:07 ] Melisande > you have done well its true
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:10 ] Melisande > but the question is
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:28 ] Melisande > do you want the M3G4 fleet in Venal for ever
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:31 ] Melisande > always chasing shadows
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:41 ] Melisande > always arriving a little too late
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:45 ] Melisande > to defend your minerts
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:49 ] Melisande > and industrials
[ 2003.09.22 02:52:58 ] Christopher Xen > they arent hard to defend
[ 2003.09.22 02:53:03 ] Melisande > we have had good teachers in the arts of guerilla warfare
[ 2003.09.22 02:53:09 ] Christopher Xen > we have tactics for that aswell
[ 2003.09.22 02:53:20 ] Melisande > well i imagine
[ 2003.09.22 02:53:29 ] Christopher Xen > fact is
[ 2003.09.22 02:53:38 ] Christopher Xen > this can go back and forth forever
[ 2003.09.22 02:53:38 ] Melisande > but simply holding a place does not let you control it
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:03 ] Christopher Xen > and no one ever said you could not return as allies one day
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:08 ] Melisande > yes it can
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:10 ] Christopher Xen > we just need detant
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:14 ] Melisande > go on forever
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:32 ] Christopher Xen > the future is untold
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:43 ] Christopher Xen > and are you prepared to keep giving speeches
[ 2003.09.22 02:54:54 ] Christopher Xen > sending these people to thier doom
[ 2003.09.22 02:55:06 ] Melisande > well, its exactly to their doom is it
[ 2003.09.22 02:55:17 ] Melisande > we all learn something with each death
[ 2003.09.22 02:55:25 ] Melisande > every brush with combat makes us stronger
[ 2003.09.22 02:55:31 ] Christopher Xen > perhaps
[ 2003.09.22 02:55:50 ] Christopher Xen > but with every kill and tactic you pitch we grow and learn too
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:00 ] Melisande > and an eternal guerilla fight for Venal would be an excellent training ground
[ 2003.09.22 02:56:06 ] Melisande > have you read "Dune"?
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2003.09.22 03:45:48 ] Jade Constantine > fair enough
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:00 ] Christopher Xen > not all people are evil here as you are not all good
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:13 ] Jade Constantine > that may be true
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:18 ] Jade Constantine > but i keep my word
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:28 ] Jade Constantine > and i am the sort of ally you should look for
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:45 ] Christopher Xen > i emplore you to swallow your pride and end this before we all end up regreting it
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:50 ] Jade Constantine > i don't hold with treachery
[ 2003.09.22 03:46:55 ] Christopher Xen > who knows what the future holds
[ 2003.09.22 03:47:16 ] Christopher Xen > but the fact is ttis and whatever they didwith you happend its over
[ 2003.09.22 03:47:17 ] Jade Constantine > well ... you right the future by gestures in the present
[ 2003.09.22 03:47:37 ] Jade Constantine > it will never be over m'dear
[ 2003.09.22 03:47:45 ] Christopher Xen > and you can always build a better tomarrow easier with peace
[ 2003.09.22 03:47:54 ] Jade Constantine > because its a matter for historical record
[ 2003.09.22 03:48:18 ] Christopher Xen > it IS over
[ 2003.09.22 03:48:23 ] Jade Constantine > you can't build a foundation stone on lies
[ 2003.09.22 03:48:40 ] Jade Constantine > and knowing that taggart betrayed others
[ 2003.09.22 03:48:48 ] Jade Constantine > you can never sleep save in your beds
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:04 ] Christopher Xen > and now because jericho holds so much hate for tti you want this war
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:15 ] Jade Constantine > they have abandoned allies before
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:20 ] Christopher Xen > dont even try to bury it in ethics or a brighter tomarrow
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:29 ] Jade Constantine > you will one day be the next
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:39 ] Christopher Xen > admit you hate them and thats why you started this
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:41 ] Jade Constantine > and when that happens we will talk again
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:49 ] Jade Constantine > and perhaps you will listen then
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:56 ] Christopher Xen > but just consider leaving.
[ 2003.09.22 03:49:59 ] Jade Constantine > i don't hate them christopher
[ 2003.09.22 03:50:16 ] Christopher Xen > and i swear NO MORE bounties or acts of aggression
[ 2003.09.22 03:50:27 ] Jade Constantine > i merely believed they were not pulling their weight as allies
[ 2003.09.22 03:50:46 ] Christopher Xen > like jericho now in NVA
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:04 ] Christopher Xen > that is usually the question in your alliance
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:11 ] Christopher Xen > where is jericho
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:11 ] Jade Constantine > well we pull our weight in over ways m'dear
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:25 ] Christopher Xen > and perhaps tti beieved they were doing the same
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:26 ] Jade Constantine > we give our allies money, and ships and blueprints
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:39 ] Jade Constantine > tti provided nothing
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:47 ] Jade Constantine > just ash
[ 2003.09.22 03:51:52 ] Jade Constantine > and broken promises
[ 2003.09.22 03:52:13 ] Christopher Xen > from what i see in tti they are a free corp
[ 2003.09.22 03:52:32 ] Jade Constantine > well they may have changed
[ 2003.09.22 03:52:46 ] Christopher Xen > and maybe you should actually consider that
[ 2003.09.22 03:52:49 ] Jade Constantine > but their master has not
[ 2003.09.22 03:53:07 ] Christopher Xen > perhaps we should have a counsiling session
[ 2003.09.22 03:53:22 ] Jade Constantine > you could try m'dear
[ 2003.09.22 03:53:23 ] Christopher Xen > let you two sit in a chatroom and vent on each other
[ 2003.09.22 03:53:28 ] Jade Constantine > but honestly
[ 2003.09.22 03:53:32 ] Jade Constantine > i listen to you
[ 2003.09.22 03:53:46 ] Jade Constantine > and i know the things you will be saying in a couple of weeks time
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:00 ] Christopher Xen > that is impossible
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:09 ] Christopher Xen > tti has provided money ships weapons
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:18 ] Jade Constantine > not impossible
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:24 ] Christopher Xen > sometimes we dont even ask for htem
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:40 ] Jade Constantine > i can see just where this is going
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:45 ] Christopher Xen > your not describing the same tti
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:55 ] Christopher Xen > and lets leave it at that
[ 2003.09.22 03:54:57 ] Jade Constantine > oh i think i am
[ 2003.09.22 03:55:02 ] Jade Constantine > but yes
[ 2003.09.22 03:55:07 ] Jade Constantine > sleep on it
[ 2003.09.22 03:55:11 ] Christopher Xen > tomarrow my friend
[ 2003.09.22 03:55:14 ] Jade Constantine > and remember what i have said
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funny jade my log seems to be longer and unedited
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:23:00 -
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Irulan: Do your members know you are not "pirates?"
That is the most ludicrous denial I have heard since "I did not inhale." If you would just say, "Arrr! We're pirates and we be raping and pillaging your region and you can't stop us! Arrr!"...at least I could respect that. But do not try to paint yourselves as some sort of honorable warriors, because your history belies your claims.
Even if M3G4 reforms itself and somehow manages through the passage of time to be viewed as a legitimate business, it won't change the fact that your rise to power came from the griefing of hundreds if not thousands of noobs.
It almost seems as if you are ashamed of your employer's history.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:25:00 -
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Well jade i recommend we continue this time in total privacy in the game. i enjoyed your little attempt at mud slinging. sorry it bit ya in the ass. maybe when youve regained yuor calm and had a little bit more "Wine and peanuts" and have finished a new smashing good read, you can try and unintelligably to relate. see ya in game...ill even send ya a few hundred isk to convo me. see ya soon. And to the rest of you, keep tuned in for the sight and time of the event
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 02:33:00 -
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I think you have some bits my chat missed due to crashing, (as I have some in addition to yours) but frankly .. its all the same stuff. My editing was purely for ease of reading, I guess thats obvious from the back to front comparison. Still, the point is made, I think even your own material is out of kilter with the earlier interpretation you provided ... that was a bit naughty m'dear.
Love and peace
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smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.23 04:10:00 -
[100]
okay okay enough bull**** from both sides please.
"sips on a bottle of rum"
you will die Jade. now come out and fight.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 04:12:00 -
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I don't want to spoil your flair for the act of getting "smoked" m'dear. Come and find me!
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.23 04:21:00 -
[102]
all in a days work. :)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 04:30:00 -
[103]
And in the spirit of no-bull**** monsieur, let me publish one of our smallest Corp's kill lists for the last few days; this from the Pain Syndicate - a six man outfit with a three man active service wing.
[09/20/03]
merckiller (scorpion) - podded
[09/21/03]
merckiller (rupture) - podded
merckiller (reaper) - podded
omri (merlin) - ship destroyed
omri (merlin) - podded
clone 9 (kestrel) - podded
thackrar (merlin) - podded
[09/22/03]
tarek asparr (???) - podded
comanche (bestower) - podded
werlii (typhoon) - podded
havocide (blackbird u/c) - podded
smoked (dominix) - podded and his ship captured
kashtarr (merlin) - ship destroyed
merckiller (reaper) - podded
The dominix is to be renamed;
the "Vassili Zaitsev" in honour of another great historical fighter in the service of a beseiged homeland. We hope in the service of Pain Syndicate the vessel will account for very many members of the M3G4 officer caste.
Love and peace
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.09.23 06:22:00 -
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Edited by: Mark A on 23/09/2003 06:22:57
*edit* typos.
lol. I have to commend you for including the ship types in this post. Some nice frig kills there ;)
So that's 3 bships down. And for anyone who didn't read the whole of the chatlog (from a day or two earlier):
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Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front
not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers
Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad
Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps
Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating
Y'know I'm almost starting to feel sorry for Jericho. The 'Pain Syndicate' however are clearly asking to be slapped around a bit - we did see a couple of them in Venal this evening, but they disappeared rather sharpish, understandably.
Indeed we're running out of targets full stop, and judging by the trail of indy's heading out there's something of a withdrawal going on by at least some of the NVA corps. Guess they are realising their new dream home has turned into a money pit they just can't afford, and all in the first 2 weeks. Let's hope they don't blame the real-estate agents huh? .
Seriously though, for all the corps that were suckered into the NVA by false (or at least wildly optimistic) promises and just ended up getting their asses handed to them (and incurring losses they could ill afford), it could happen to anyone. TTI is certainly willing to forgive and forget, and (re)establish profitable industrial and trade relations in future. Hell, if Jericho stopped bad-mouthing us at every opportunity we might even catch them a break.
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DB Preacher
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Posted - 2003.09.23 07:49:00 -
[105]
Quote:
So that's 3 bships down. And for anyone who didn't read the whole of the chatlog (from a day or two earlier):
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Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front
not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers
Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad
Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps
Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating
hmm, Irulan states 2-3 bs' in the past few weeks. But thats 3 bs in the last 3 days.
Current RKK Ranking: (CAL4) Soldier
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.09.23 09:24:00 -
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As of this point Official duscussions between the NVA and NA have ended. Though what NA believed was a good and fair offer was apparettlynot good enough the NVA. Sooooo...Wars still on.
Channels will remain open and those NVA members and corps who wish out may feel free to convo or eve mail me to those whom still who wish to leave unmolested.
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KIAInkZ
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:12:00 -
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cya in your pod Xen
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.23 11:44:00 -
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Quote:
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So that's 3 bships down. And for anyone who didn't read the whole of the chatlog (from a day or two earlier):
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Irulan Acara > we started my position to report the accurate truth from the front
not many over the past weeks only 2-3 bs and a few cruisers your kill list is reaching 17 bs and about 14 cruisers
Jade Constantine > thatÆs pretty bad
Irulan Acara > your losses from your various corps
Jade Constantine > looks like we are taking one helluva beating
hmm, Irulan states 2-3 bs' in the past few weeks. But thats 3 bs in the last 3 days.
Yep, and by one small corp that isn't one of the ones that has previously been claimed to be doing most of the fighting.
We're beginning to draw up lists of names and time of killings as they happen, as it's clear that some of your people aren't admitting to it. For example smoked (M3G4 CEO I think) who thought that the best strategy for him would be to eject from his battleship and return a few minutes later still in his pod. I wonder if that was broadcasted around your leadership channels?
What sums all this up is M3G4's "we're not pirates" whine. And also their refusal to criticise their members attacking new pilots, which resulted in the enforced absence of that murderer.
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Zakalwe
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: Zakalwe on 23/09/2003 13:17:22
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Irulan: Do your members know you are not "pirates?"
That is the most ludicrous denial I have heard since "I did not inhale."
Right. The dÚnommÚ "Hanns" is a pirate who haunted Obe last weeks ago, chasing Noob to kill with his Scorpion. I could escape from him one time, not two.An when i see Mg site i'm mort de rire (dead to laugh). Jade has right , they're all pirates, included TTI, pirates with velvet eyes...
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If you would just say, "Arrr! We're pirates and we be raping and pillaging your region and you can't stop us! Arrr!"...at least I could respect that. But do not try to paint yourselves as some sort of honorable warriors, because your history belies your claims.
Even if M3G4 reforms itself and somehow manages through the passage of time to be viewed as a legitimate business, it won't change the fact that your rise to power came from the griefing of hundreds if not thousands of noobs.
Right again.
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It almost seems as if you are ashamed of your employer's history.
Irulan is a pirate, like the dÚnommÚ "Hanns".
Hmmm...
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:25:00 -
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Ok I admit I haven't really been paying attention for a few days. They blah blah this, no you blah blah that was getting OLD but I are you trying to tell me the m3g4 kids are trying to claim they aren't pirates? I mean aren't their posts all over the forums talking about what good pirates they are? Isn't one of their guys the one who sat in a 1.0 system killing noobs for fun? Didn't at least one of them get baned for using exploits to pod noobs? I mean really, the check is in the mail, I'll still respect you in the morning, nope not pirates not us.lol
These forums are now offically worthless.
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Mr Blonde
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:29:00 -
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m3g4 and sinister start claiming their not pirates...
m3g4 thinks that RUS and Sinister are at war, even though they have been allied for ages....
and TTi are hiding behind other ppl while talking smack as if they were actually "something"
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Robeyone
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Posted - 2003.09.23 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: Robeyone on 23/09/2003 12:35:46
RONA Corporation has claimed more than just 1 or 2 Battleships but more on the upwards of 7 or 8 and we have in fact only lost 2. You want corpses we have corpses. Last weekend I can remember two certain corporations running with thier tails in between thier legs in a very similar fashion. Yes we were beaten this weekend, you claimed two of our battleships in one battle. But this loss was no more than you suffered the previous weekend. Oh an wait our battleships have already rebuilt and are in fact back in Venal. And this whole thing about the inability to stay in the war. That is just complete and utter crap. I think I am more sick of the sheer crap that has come out of people mouths for the past 3 days because of what has happned this last weekend. I want to re-affirm this now that like the FA and SA the NVA is still here we are still fighting. I also want to reaffirm that we are not at a loss for either 1. resources or 2. ships. You forget some of the corps who are in this fight TTI, you forget how long some of us have been around, and you forget how much business we may actually do. I also think you forget some of the people who have infact handed your so called "asses" on numerous occassions over the past couple of weeks. So this is a re-affirmation that we are still hear and no matter what so called indies you see leaving the region that I know quite a few are still coming in. Sorry to say this but this war is going to last a long time, and I hope like us you are willing to pay for it. Because unlike you we haven't been fighting a war up until this one. I'm sorry TTI and M3g4 and even Sinster that this war has in fact cost you a whole lot more than it costs us oh and I am also sorry that it is going to keep costing money. RONA is willing to pay for our part I just hope you are willing to pay for yours.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:24:00 -
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Mark A, Taggart Transpiratical,
ItÆs nice of your to come out and comment mÆdear; to answer you implication of course is pretty easy.
ôlooksö like we are taking one helluva beating
Is the key phrase, but if I really need to spell it out. Inflated claims donÆt win wars Mark A. In those logs the Piratical Alliance propaganda chief goes on record with casualty figures that have no basis in fact or any reality I have ever visited. Is it my job to help the enemy understand what is going on? No, mÆdear, its my job to tempt the enemy into saying silly things that undermine its credibility and the credibility of its cause. In that light I suggest you re-read the conversation logs with a stiff brandy in hand.
I do have some questions for you though;
Irulan stated variously, that the Piratical Alliance has twenty member corps, and that the piratical alliance council is a flat one corp one vote representative democracy. Now, that would mean that Taggart is only 5% of the voice in the new piratical regional power Irulan dreams of. She tells this as if it is a done deal. I would like Taggart to confirm or deny this situation.
(And of course, if this has been done, why has it been done, because this sounds a lot like Taggart surrendering its name and once-reputation forever to the domination of pirates.)
Now specifically, on M3G4 glorying in the killing of newbie frigates and such rampages, will you go on record as condemning TankCEO?
Also, will you give us a Taggart line on Bounty exploiting by mutual podding in the ranks of your comrades?
Politically, Irulan condemned the Stain Alliance as piratical; do you support this view by your propaganda chief?
And also politically, Irulan stated continually that M3G4 are no longer a pirate corp and wish now to be an honourable mining and production corp. Does Taggart pledge itself to the reforming of pirates now?
Please answer these questions Mark, they are quite significant and evasion will only save to make your chin look weak.
Love and peace
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:38:00 -
[114]
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These forums are now offically worthless.
Nah, I think it's this sort of thing that makes them priceless!
M3G4 claiming not to be pirates really ranks right up there with the most lunatic comments I've ever read (maybe equal first with Ragnar's "I don't recognise this council" speach).
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 13:39:00 -
[115]
Robeyone of RONA corp,
You are of course entirely right my friend, and I take some responsibility for the false perceptions of the course of the war to this point. I have preferred to wait and confirm casualty figures before going off half-cocked and refuting fairly obvious M4G4 inventions and nonsense, but beyond that, I do enjoy tempting the Piratical Alliance into going out on a limb with spurious figures, only to pull the factual rugs from beneath their feet for dramatic flourish later on!
But of course,
The RONA corp casualty count is as accurate as Pain SyndicateÆs was. And yes, speaking privately, even M3G4 corp realises that it has bitten off more than it can chew by meeting a developed industrial powerhouse like RONA in formal battle.
M3G4 and other pirate scum in the transpiratical alliance are literally ôall inö and fully committed to the maximum of their strength in Venal, and yet they are still struggling to control the region and the fights continue to be shadow games and manoeuvre and faint and false retreat. Every day sees casualties on both sides, but the difference is; the NVA is a legitimate council of forward-thinking industrial corporations committed to the regional development and future stabilisation of Venal. And this being the case, we have friends and alliances with a stake in seeing the liberation of Venal and Pureblind from piratical control fully realised and rendered as political fact.
I salute RONA corp. They were suggested to me in the darkest days following RagnarÆs treachery as honourable and just allies for the then-fledgling NVA. They have exceeded and surpassed my expectations at every stage, and I have nothing but admiration and respect for their corporation, their fighters, their management and their dream.
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
Mimic
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Posted - 2003.09.23 15:08:00 -
[116]
Some words from PAIN...
BURN NA !
Mimic
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:02:00 -
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"I salute RONA corp. They were suggested to me in the darkest days following RagnarÆs treachery as honourable and just allies for the then-fledgling NVA. "
Read: I thank a Corp that had no previous bad relations with TTI to join me in my Vendetta where I will post slanderous comments every 5 minutes on the forums while you risk your battleships for my dream of seeing ragnar fall from power.
Soon this war will be called RONA vs NA.
Roboneye. The thing you need to understand is that TTI have nothing against you. Nor do the NA. We have something against an alliance who sold us out to Evol and Xan (and even lied about some payments we were making on hits to get Xan to join yhe fight). Ask Qball some time for some enlightening.
After we were sold out by so called allies we were then thrust into a council with the sole purpose of voting us out of the alliance because Jade didn't want to fight a war for freedom. (why she does now is beyond me - have you changed Jade? ).
So we were sold out by a least a few people of our own alliance and now the world wonders why we seem to find allies within only pirate corporations. I would currently trust my back to only a handful of corps right now and they are all pirate corps save one newly reformed corp out in Khanid.
Anyways for anyone who wants to know how we were sold out for some fun and games just ask Qball. Hes having some fun playing the beta for Horizons (how is that game anyways?) atm so i'm sure he doesn't care either way.
For all your pompous Rightiousness Jade you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes down to honour and integrity.
I ask RONA to reconsider the words of the snake who welcomed you into Venal.
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Havocide
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Posted - 2003.09.23 18:30:00 -
[118]
Jade you have too much time on your hands 
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:10:00 -
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Anyways for anyone who wants to know how we were sold out for some fun and games just ask Qball
Don't tell me you still dont know that it was QBall who sold you out to us.
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:12:00 -
[120]
Niwaie don't you think its funny though how you were lied to and then fell for it hook line and sinker.
The only ones chuckling over this is Evol. As it was their plan all along.
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Art Dillinja
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:23:00 -
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Niwaie don't you think its funny though how you were lied to and then fell for it hook line and sinker.
The only ones chuckling over this is Evol. As it was their plan all along.
<Derek> hey you do knwo that molle was plotting the whole thing from the start
<[Xan]niwaie> omg he played us :(
<Derek> remember how it made no sense that we would pay for hits on you guys before the war started
<[Xan]niwaie> wait a sec, ill cancel the FA and declare war on evol :)
I mean, really... they plotted to kill TTI and we fell for it??
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:37:00 -
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Derek, Taggart Transpiratical,
You are a very funny man. Everyone with honour had bad relations by default with Taggart because you chose to lay down with the snakes and murderers in the sewer, that kind of stink doesnÆt just wash out with the laundry mÆdear, you crossed a line and paid the price. Crying about it now just makes you look pathetic, but then, a man who is proud to spend his every working day sitting inside a station in Venal and peering out of the viewing gallery at the circling enemy is hardly going to take overmuch concern over personal reputation.
As for what the war is about, I very much suspect youÆll not have any great influence in determining those terms and issues mÆdear.
The war is about Taggart betraying their allies and then sleeping with scum. Whatever else you say mÆdear, you must admit your mean-spirited cartel of psychotic lunatics makes very poor comparison with the idealistic vision and just endeavour of the NVA declaration of principles. And there mÆdear, in that very word itself, is the finest expression of everything you lack.
You were originally faced with a confidence vote because you failed your allies. You compounded this crime by renouncing a regional council and sponsoring murder campaign, then declaring war on your allies into the bargain.
This is now largely irrelevant however; because rather than focusing on vendetta and revenge, the founders of the NVA chose to make a new council and look to the future. Now the war continues, not because of your treachery and your crimes, or even because of RagnarÆs bounty, no, it simply continues and will continue to do so, because the NVA want a future for Venal that doesnÆt include pirates and murdering psychopaths.
You have allied yourself lock stock and barrel with that filthy parasitical cause.
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we seem to find allies within only pirate corporations. I would currently trust my back to only a handful of corps right now and they are all pirate corps save one newly reformed corp out in Khanid.
Your own words and they really say it all.
If I was to quit eve tomorrow, and if Jericho dissolved in days thereafter, if all that I have ever said and done was erased from the memory of this conflict, and if all my arguments were gone à still the war would continue, and still you would ultimately lose, because mÆdear, this is about civilisation and honourable cause against villainy and foul deprivation. You have nailed your colours to murderersÆ fate; you will sink or swim with your foul allies in times to come. The NVA fights for freedom. You strive only to control a crimelordÆs petty cartel by vindictive bullying and low-brow illegality.
And asking Qball to help your cause? Oh dear on dear. Yoseph Cohen promised us a revelation on that score two weeks ago. We are still waiting for the interview.
And whilst you have ranted with abandon I note you have not even attempted to answer even one of my quite reasonable questions à could it be you do not agree with your allies in M3G4 and their statement of voting privileges in the Transpiratical Alliance?
Love and peace (and death to Taggart Transpiratical)
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 19:53:00 -
[123]
Havorcide,
Yes I have a lot of time, and you know why? Because once upon a time I was a peaceful trader full-intent upon maximising the profitability of marginal trade-runs and hazardous territories. I used to spend all my time building the funding base of Jericho through blockade-running and speculative endeavour. Then Ragnar made a target of me and betrayed my corporation and hurled us all to the wolves while he made a pact with the lowest scum in Eve. Since my business has been ruined, and since my life is now a thing dictated by war and hard circumstance, I therefore have a lot of time to devote to fighting this campaign the only way I know; with intelligence and planning and careful negotiation.
Once upon a time I made 100million isk in a single day mÆdear, and this without harming a soul, or damaging anyoneÆs business. Now those days are gone forever and I scrabble in the dust for a paltry couple of million here or there against a backdrop of banditry and piratical mayhem, can you blame me for devoting my energies to the destruction of those who ruined my livelihood? You and your kind owe me mÆdear. One way or another I am happy to make you pay.
Love and peace
JF Public Forum |
Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.23 20:06:00 -
[124]
"And asking Qball to help your cause"
HAHAHA jade did you read anything i said. Qball did everything in his power to turn Venal into a warzone. He certaintly never helped us.
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smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.23 20:11:00 -
[125]
Jade you freak of nature you, actually we did all hear about my faithfull leap from my ship, and my entire staff and executives, and members had a helluva laugh about it the other night.
Keep up the good cheers and please jade write us another book on policy.. or esspecially one of those long winded full of **** essays you write. They always good for a laugh.
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Derek
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Posted - 2003.09.23 20:14:00 -
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<Derek> i just wanna see jade here So i can undock and go suicide my ship into her ship
<QBall> lol
<QBall> I dont think jade has anymore ships
<QBall> well maybe a Blackbird
<Derek> are people killing her?
<QBall> yah
<QBall> your still TTI?
<Derek> yeah
<QBall> hehe
<QBall> wanna know a secret
<Derek> i'm sure i already know
<QBall> because I dont really care nore play EVE much
<QBall> jade wasn't the one playing with Xanadu
<Derek> it was you
<QBall> :P
<QBall> I SET US UP A BOMB
Not that it really matters. Because Jade you don't seem to care what started the whole mess. You pick and choose the events that you want to the whole war.
The funny thing is i'm pretty sure Qballs corp is still in the NVA .....who is "transpiratical" again?
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WarElf
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Posted - 2003.09.23 21:05:00 -
[127]
*LOTR Music*
I wish none of this would have happened, i wish All could be good again :(
~WarElf
~WarElf Occassus Republica
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Detaitiv
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Posted - 2003.09.23 21:26:00 -
[128]
Damn Derek. It's been a month now. You still don't know who the real sources are yet?
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Lottsa Pox
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Posted - 2003.09.23 21:47:00 -
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Jade,
You ask us to condemn Tank CEO. Why? He is a great pirate and a good wingman. I really think you like to attack people that aren't as active on the boards as you. We are pirates straight up. If you dont like Tank CEO then take your fight to him or us it doesnt matter. All of Tank CEO's actions have been for the one goal of M3G4. To remove people from the tight confines of their pod. But go ahead and spin some bull**** story about us being something other than pirates or about my lack of comprehension about things said on this thread. I have been in M3G4 since its creation. It has been and will always be a pirate corp.
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod.
M3G4
Enjoy the game, I know I am
Lottsa Pox
Pox to ya pod
BioMass Cartel
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.23 22:24:00 -
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Derek, so what exactly are you saying with that disclosure, that you now believe Ragnar out and out lied when he accused me of working with FA to damage TTI? That in fact the whole reason for the Taggart bounty was false and I was wrongly victimised? Is that what you are saying now? Funny, because I recall telling you chaps immediately after Ragnar spoke that he was full of crap; at the time you didnÆt seem to believe me.
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jimmychopps > Ragnar > "Taggart does not recognize the authority of this council, nor the voting power of a corp 1/100th of our size having the same power to limit our sovereignty. It is clear that the anti TTI effort has been led by Jade Constantine, who has been bought off by Evolution. We will start with a 100 million bounty on Jade Constantine with 100 million in bounties, paid for 5 mil ISK each for 20 corpses. TTI and SI and our friends will remain in Venal and we will openly attack all of the pro-Evolution people that have just voted against their one-time friends in TTI. If you wish to open relations, contact Jimmychopps now. Otherwise, you will be targetted. This is fair warning.
Smoked, listen mate, I may be a bit of a rubbish combat pilot, but really, you take the biscuit! You are an out and out embarrassment of a PvP muppet! Honestly, 2 ships in 24 hours last weekend, and you jump out of skin in fright at NVA forces this weekend and get your ship captured. The funny thing is your propaganda chief Irulan out and out and shamelessly denied your captured ship episode actually happened last night. Is Irulan an appalling gutless liar? Or have you simply lied to her? Enquiring minds would like to know. And as for my essays being good for a laugh, IÆm afraid as a comedian I finish a distant second place to your own antics.
Poxy, I asked you to condemn Tank CEO because your propaganda chief denied that M3G4 are pirates. She said you only wanted to be honourable mining carebear industrialists. Go read the chat logs. IÆm actually entirely happy to see you espousing your parasitical scum credentials, makes it easy to haul your unfortunate allies over the coals of broad disparagement.
Honestly mÆdear, you should have a word with Irulan, she is so very enthusiastic but seems as badly misinformed and out of her depth in the sphere of public relations as your CEO does in the sphere of ship to ship combat.
I donÆt need to spin a story about your lack of comprehension; you clearly donÆt have a clue.
Love and peace
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Posted - 2003.09.23 22:43:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 23/09/2003 22:43:57
We had a frigate in space next to smoked when he abandonded ship. Took the pilot a second to work out wtf he was doing. We thought he was trying some new exploit or something.
New BS - 100mil pounds
New clone - 200k
Watching M3G4 leader eject, get podded and ship captured - priceless
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smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.24 01:27:00 -
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I know, I still laugh at it, infact you put a smile on my face. Other than reading Jades dry long drawn out post about nothen of real importance.
Fun and funny stuff m8 hopefully next time I'll get a few more shots off before leaving my braised ship for my worthy apponents.
kudoz
Jade Ps... shut up please, this isn't a war of words.. or is it? For you it maybe a war of words, but you will see I will continue to send more and more iron your way.
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.24 02:31:00 -
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I'm surprised you can read m'dear.
Love and peace
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smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.24 03:34:00 -
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me 2 :)~
arg i am not a pirate
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Jade Constantine
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Posted - 2003.09.24 03:40:00 -
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Two more Battleship losses for the Taggart Transpiratical Alliance in Venal tonight;
Algazara of the Paladins of the Red skull lost her dominix to NVA action led by KrullDari of Cyberdyne Systems with support from NVA fleet assets. The kill occured at 6NY shipyard. This notorious pirate was podded and corpse atomised by torpedo bombardment.
Darwin of M3G4 Corp lost his Scorpion battleship to NVA action led by Trip of RONA corp with support from NVA fleet assets. The kill occured at Y-4 Station. Unfortunately Darwin escaped in his pod, but we are sure there will be other chances to punch his ticket conclusively in the future.
Love and peace
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.24 04:21:00 -
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I have to commend both of the killed pilots for their valor--especially Algazarra, who did not dock and log despite already having escaped once with fairly heavy damage.
Also, kudos to all the NVA...getting much better with familiarity.
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Christopher Xen
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Posted - 2003.09.24 23:33:00 -
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Ok, while i was away for one day my point has begun to be proven. Alot of you, some who shall remain nameless are becoming alittle to involved in this forum. now in regards to M3G4 not being pirates, read exactly what was stated. In the past some acts of piracy have been commited. Now looking at the dynamics of this game two things are true. One. there can be no good with out evil and two no evil with out good. I am not even going to continue scoring this war, cause it was done, calculated strenuosly, and show a few things. 1st this war is being lost by the nva. main reason being, no mining and low player count in venal on be half of the NVA. 2nd Most major engagements are won by the NA. 3rd those that are not usually end up in stalemate. Now let us define victories. victories are defined as one side besting the other. Now it is true that during the periods of lower player count, The nva has been able to score a few kills, thes kills are usually 4 to 1 in favor of the nva. Now in terms of periods when more people are on and the fighting is more intense, NVA losses every single battle consisting of more than 3 ships on both sides. Many corps have opted to leave venal due to the fact that at the end of the major engagement of the day, they are forced to sit twiddling thier thumbs in the station while awaiting non existant reinforcements for empire space. well last weekend we were there for a good 9-10 hours and NONE came. The battles following the entrapment in the station is usually a contest of who can be more childish in local. Now the reason we started posting on the forum is plain simple and sterile. THIS IS NOTHING MORE THAN JERICHO AND TTI getting into a huge ****ing contest and rallying support. Frankly its old. cause none of the original alliances are in existance. and 2 both sides seem to think venal can support a lot of huge corps. well while quite rich it cant. Now in respect to RONA, most of them are honorable fighters, but RONA has also been forced to spend many hours in a station and have also run away. Jade did make one point. HER combat force is primarily euro while ares is american. so the likely hood of a great climactic battle is slim indeed. So i end this constant posting and leave jade to believe and say what she wishes, I will post sterile and accurate info as i get it from my perspective as she does, though naturally youll all devise your own numbers, opinions and make threats at each other, well feel free. but remember this, in all conflicts neither side is totally right and is often both very wrong for allowing a conflict to come to pass.
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Cormyat Astara
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Posted - 2003.09.25 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 25/09/2003 00:18:33
Edited by: Cormyat Astara on 25/09/2003 00:07:04
Xen: If your definition of losing the war is no mining and low player count in the region...then we are winning. We do mine in the region except when M3G4 are present, and we have more players in the region than you do, and I don't see too many TTI mining ops in progress. In fact, other than Tigger and an occasional cameo by Mark A and a couple others, I really don't see ANY TTI any more. So evidently...TTI has already lost? By your definition, yes. Of course, I am not so foolish to buy your definition, so I will assume TTI is still in the war.
Secondly...you claim we are only winning the 4-1 and multiple ship engagements and that M3G4 has won ALL the engagements involving more than three ships per side. That's funny--exactly how many such engagements have there been? One? Two? And with M3G4 forces camped at a gate with drones deployed so as to take advantage of drone lag? An ill-advised NVA attack, IMO, and the lesson was learned. And it was also quite the isolated incident. NVA made some mistakes over the course of ONE weekend, and you are still declaring victory from that ONE weekend.
I also wonder--according to your own log, NVA has been virtually crippled--decimated--by NA forces and should surrender. Well, if that's the case, how are we able to win battles with overwhelming numbers? Perhaps NVA is not so crippled as you had tried to make everyone believe? And perhaps you exaggerate still...
Thank you for smashing your own creditbility. And one other thing. Just admit you're a pirate--like EVERYONE ELSE IN M3G4 will proudly admit--and learn how to start a new paragraph. Sheesh!
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smoked
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Posted - 2003.09.25 01:21:00 -
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Lurk
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Posted - 2003.09.25 01:59:00 -
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well last weekend we were there for a good 9-10 hours and NONE came.
I can tell you the same story. That's basically because m3g4 seems to only active starting 0 GMT. Most NVA are offline then.
I can tell you that i often camped 4 hours when NO m3g4 even dared to exit a station.
Anyways, a war is only won when either one side gives up or is annihilated - both of that hasn't happened yet so don't speak of victory.
You won battles but we did also. "Major engagements" - you mean when you happen to camp a gate and deploy so many drones that you are already podded when your client has loaded up ? Well you are really good if you won that one i'd be proud of myself ...
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Mark A
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Posted - 2003.09.25 05:01:00 -
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well last weekend we were there for a good 9-10 hours and NONE came.
I can tell you the same story. That's basically because m3g4 seems to only active starting 0 GMT. Most NVA are offline then.
I can tell you that i often camped 4 hours when NO m3g4 even dared to exit a station.
I think you're right that TZ differences mean that numbers shift throughout the day. Fight fans should note that often there's a sweet spot in the middle where forces are approximately equal and some decent PvP can ensue. While its always fun to deride those who stay mid-warp or docked when way outnumbered, everyone does it and it would be dumb not to.
Agreed exploiting drone lag isn't good. Combat drones have certainly been used by both sides, but to my knowledge no-one has descended to using mining drones in combat situations. The fixed warp-in points really do need to be randomized, but you can avoid lag when engaging at gates and stations by warping to a +70km BM and approaching from there.
The real test is when there's an engagement of an approximately equal number of ships (and without any significant lag issues), which outcome has been fairly consistent so far...
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Posted - 2003.09.25 09:26:00 -
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blah blah blah
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Athule Snanm
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Posted - 2003.09.25 10:19:00 -
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Agreed exploiting drone lag isn't good. Combat drones have certainly been used by both sides, but to my knowledge no-one has descended to using mining drones in combat situations.
Anyone on our side that I catch using mining drones deliberately will have to add them to their shopping lists :-) So far the fight has been fairly clean - which is evidenced by the distinct lack of calls of 'exploit' after each combat. Something I'm very happy with and I hope it stays that way.
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The fixed warp-in points really do need to be randomized, but you can avoid lag when engaging at gates and stations by warping to a +70km BM and approaching from there.
You should check the latest CSM. Jump in (presumably that's what you mean) points are going to become completely static soon. Given the current lag situation I'm not sure I'm looking forward to that...
Use of distant BMs can lead to accidental grid differences, if both sides go to a BM at the other side of a gate at 70km they're very close to the 'local' limit, if not past it. I really hope CCP can increase the range of a grid to quite a bit more than the maximum tactical range around an object - maybe 500km or more rather than the current 150km (I think).
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The real test is when there's an engagement of an approximately equal number of ships (and without any significant lag issues), which outcome has been fairly consistent so far...
Nope, the real test is when one side folds. Strategically the M3G4 presence has weakened our hold on Venal, but as KIA says most of the time it's business as usual and whilst M3G4 might camp one or two important systems, don't confuse that with controlling the entire region. I query your interpretation of the results of equal battles, but leaving that aside, total losses of ships and general disruption to activity is more important than what happens in 30 minutes on one day out of a whole week. TTi certainly has no civilian ops in Venal under their own flag, we do. Venal is ours, not yours and will remain so. It's open knowledge that TTi is shedding members and that factionalism is rearing its head in your corp. You're finding we have a much stronger stomach for a long war than you do.
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Mimic
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Posted - 2003.09.25 11:57:00 -
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omfg
All people talking in this thread about the big fights bla bla.
Can anyone say what is a victory ? There can only be a victory if one side goes COMPLETLY down or gives up. Does any side did it ?
And Christopher.. u say our forces are staying away or in stations.. What do ur forces if we are overwhelming ? They stay in station.
Since i play MMORPGS and thats quite long, the side that is underpowered stays away from the fight. Especially in Eve u HAVE to stay away if someone camps a station or a gate or a jump in. Because both sides using drone lags and other things. Everyone wants to have an advantage and uses all possibilities. So u are no better or worse than we are.
Another thing is after a combat. I am bored of hearing ppl telling me we cheat. Only because they were afk or got a ctd. One night we got 3 times ctd everytime when an enemy went to a gate we're camping. Did we tell they're cheating ?! No. So please stop talking about cheats or rabbits that don't come out of an station we do, u do. Thats how fighting goes if u can loose something that got a value in the game (like Battleships or their equipment) u will take care not to loose.
So the fight goes on and the player himself has to decide when to engage and when not!
Mimic
p.s. i don't know any option to cheat no real program for eve and so i think there is noone until someone shows me something that changes my mind. And so i dont thing anyone of NA or NVA cheats!
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Corsair G
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Posted - 2005.01.15 06:53:00 -
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Rattman
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Posted - 2005.01.15 07:31:00 -
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Originally by: Corsair G
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Stop ressurecting all these threads.
This is old a dead
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Lucian Alucard
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Posted - 2005.01.15 07:34:00 -
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IBTL....definetly makes me miss the old days.
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Skape Gote
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Posted - 2005.01.15 07:38:00 -
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Originally by: Corsair G
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Surely this type of **** has got to be worth a ban for the whole account?
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Kayosoni
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Posted - 2005.01.15 08:12:00 -
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idd.
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Grimpak
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Posted - 2005.01.15 08:29:00 -
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err... WTF? someone gag that guy... thread ressurection is bad mmmkay?
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Muthsera
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Posted - 2005.01.15 08:42:00 -
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Wow..
Looong time ago.
NVA.
I've heard old tales about this.
I only figured it was an anchient myth.
SoonÖ
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Specops
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Posted - 2005.01.15 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: Corsair G
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Surely this type of **** has got to be worth a ban for the whole account?
O plz like its a big deal he just bumped up a old topic
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Viceroy
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Posted - 2005.01.15 09:11:00 -
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Memories
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theRaptor
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Posted - 2005.01.15 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Specops
Originally by: Skape Gote
Originally by: Corsair G
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Surely this type of **** has got to be worth a ban for the whole account?
O plz like its a big deal he just bumped up a old topic
This is about the sixth *ancient* thread he has bumped up. People get perma-banned for having over sized sigs, so malicious and continous thread bumping should warrant the same.
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2005.01.15 10:18:00 -
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My ticker missed a beat or two until I quickly realized this was an old thread.
The horror.
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Zhuge Liang
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Posted - 2005.01.15 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Corsair G
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Don't bump old threads, do it again and you may recieve a warning and/or ban.
Please review the forum rules here.
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