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Leigh Akiga
Trickle Down Economics
360
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:05:00 -
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Rattman wrote:So take it all the capital pilots will get their billions of isk worth of bombers back they lost
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy
5. Any losses of any kind resulting from a large-scale player engagement are not covered by this reimbursement policy.
2. a. Only items destroyed along with the ship are eligible for reimbursement. Any items left in space (in wreck, containers, etc.) are not eligible for reimbursement.
lol
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Icantspellwell
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
16
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:06:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:MestariBation wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Hiya folks, just a quick post about the node death that prematurely ended the fighting in E-YJ8G.
Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. Our cluster is set up to assume that any node that is unresponsive for more than 3 minutes is dead and is removed forcefully from the cluster so that the show may go on elsewhere.
We're investigating why exactly that spike in execution happened and I'm hopeful we can knock it back in line. We'll be able to share more details of what exactly happened once a fix is deployed. Just reimbuse everyhting and its fine. Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.
So let me get this straight CCP. Your server dies. Not only does it die but it dies so spectacularly that when it comes back and we log in we are flung to random points in the solar system unable to reconnect to our drones which should have automatically returned to our drones bays when we disconnected and you are not going to reimburse our fighterbombers that we would have never lost had your server worked properly? Instead of adding new features perhaps you should work on fixing your game so that we can get through one capital fight without your server dying a miserable death.
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
665
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:08:00 -
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2186
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:09:00 -
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I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6354
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:12:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. Nobody. Bombers are too big for that. We destroyed some of them, and I think the Russians finished the job later on. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
12
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:13:00 -
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Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up.
they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there
Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6356
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:18:00 -
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Rattman wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to That's adorable. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
665
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:18:00 -
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Yeah that's exactly what happened, and the reimbursement policy was altered ex-post-facto in order to screw ncdotte |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
202
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:20:00 -
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:The solution is obvious.
People answer to incentives, but bad peformance is not incentive enough to stop piling every last possible ship on grid.
So, a incentive to stop piling ships on grid must be provided.
The war against poor performance in big battles is lost beforehand. No matter how much CCP raises the cap, every faction will try to outnumber the others and all combined will bring down the server.
So stop it altogether. Quality of experience is preferable to quantity of players bored to death as their game plays without them.
My suggestion: improve as much as possible the performance of 4,000 ships battles and add stacking penalties to fleet size and force proportion (that is, big fleets and fleets that massively outpower others will suffer increasingly harsh penalties).
While you're correct that the fight is lost before hand (owing largely to the quadratic nature of the scaling problem), that solution is garbage.
You were doing good when you said, "...an incentive to stop piling ships on grid must be provided..." but then you did an about face and instead tried to disincentivize that action instead of incentivizing another action.
A style of war that makes it strategically sensible to actually fight wars across a battle line (i.e., more than one system at a time), instead of at a battle point, would be far less offensive. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2186
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:23:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. Nobody. Bombers are too big for that. We destroyed some of them, and I think the Russians finished the job later on. Why not have a few industrials around? Only 5k m-¦ per fighter. Seems profitable to me, considering the price tag on those things. Even jumping in blockade runners to clean space would seem profitable. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |
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Dalmont Delantee
Rim Worlds Republic SpaceMonkey's Alliance
215
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:24:00 -
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Ting Mei wrote:Is your CSM Tag allow you to be unpolite ? You are there because player base put you there, so respect the player base.
Would be nice to explain why what i say is dumb, instead of just say "What you say is dumb", i certainly not have your athletic profile or your extreme science.
Grow up |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:30:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Yeah that's exactly what happened, and the reimbursement policy was altered ex-post-facto in order to screw ncdotte
Nope but that rule is ignored when it comes to goon ships. That big carrier whelp on the CSAA in the north. That was large scale PVP and all he carriers were replaced. |
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
2
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:31:00 -
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Rattman wrote:[quote=Abrazzar] Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to
Well you have to spend some of that renter money somewhere. |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:31:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. Nobody. Bombers are too big for that. We destroyed some of them, and I think the Russians finished the job later on.
So I guess those carriers that were coming and taking the bombers were a figment of my imagination
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6357
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:34:00 -
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Rattman wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. Nobody. Bombers are too big for that. We destroyed some of them, and I think the Russians finished the job later on. So I guess those carriers that were coming and taking the bombers were a figment of my imagination That certainty you seem to have gleaned from my post about what happened after I left system certainly is. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:40:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: That certainty you seem to have gleaned from my post about what happened after I left system certainly is.
Dunno if you were specifically there, but there was still lots of goons on grid and there was carriers jumping in an out grabbing the fighters. So your statement that they were all destroyed is a load of krud |
Sulzer Wartzilla
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
23
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:42:00 -
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Rattman wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to Ah yes because The Mittani wrote the CCP reimbursement policy
http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy
Keep tinfoil-hatting, it's adorable
Rattman wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: That certainty you seem to have gleaned from my post about what happened after I left system certainly is.
Dunno if you were specifically there, but there was still lots of goons on grid and there was carriers jumping in an out grabbing the fighters. So your statement that they were all destroyed is a load of krud Regardless of whether they were destroyed or looted, they are no longer yours. If you don't like that then maybe you should go back to running missions in hisec. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6357
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:45:00 -
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Rattman wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: That certainty you seem to have gleaned from my post about what happened after I left system certainly is.
Dunno if you were specifically there, but there was still lots of goons on grid and there was carriers jumping in an out grabbing the fighters. So your statement that they were all destroyed is a load of krud Reading comprehension is hard.
I never saw any friendly carriers grabbing FBs, but that could have just been my overview. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Icantspellwell
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
16
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:51:00 -
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Regardless of what the policy says they broke that policy when they reimbursed the razor carriers that died defending the csaa during the Tribute War. |
Paul Tsukaya
Dirt 'n' Glitter I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
48
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:51:00 -
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Rattman wrote:Abrazzar wrote:I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up. they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to Here is the actual reason NC won't get CCP reimbursement:
CCP Explorer wrote:MestariBation wrote:CCP Veritas wrote:Hiya folks, just a quick post about the node death that prematurely ended the fighting in E-YJ8G.
Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. Our cluster is set up to assume that any node that is unresponsive for more than 3 minutes is dead and is removed forcefully from the cluster so that the show may go on elsewhere.
We're investigating why exactly that spike in execution happened and I'm hopeful we can knock it back in line. We'll be able to share more details of what exactly happened once a fix is deployed. Just reimbuse everyhting and its fine. Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.
Of course if you want to continue to falsely believe that it is a massive goonspiracy you are welcome to. |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6357
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Posted - 2013.11.23 20:54:00 -
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Icantspellwell wrote:Regardless of what the policy says they broke that policy when they reimbursed the razor carriers that died defending the csaa during the Tribute War. I figured that's what you were talking about.
IIRC there was some sort of exploit involved. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Xolve
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
2136
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:01:00 -
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Nobody cares, posting your link here is channel invasion and you will be reported. |
Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
13
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Icantspellwell wrote:Regardless of what the policy says they broke that policy when they reimbursed the razor carriers that died defending the csaa during the Tribute War. I figured that's what you were talking about. IIRC there was some sort of exploit involved.
Yes the same exploit goons did all the time to their foes and who also also got their reimbursments rejected.
But soon as it happens to CFC is an exploit and ships replaced and people who did it are given a holiday.
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Icantspellwell
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
16
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:01:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Icantspellwell wrote:Regardless of what the policy says they broke that policy when they reimbursed the razor carriers that died defending the csaa during the Tribute War. I figured that's what you were talking about. IIRC there was some sort of exploit involved.
The "exploit" was us all convo'ing one of the carriers that was being primaried so that he could not broadcast for reps which is something you had been doing to our fc's the entire war up to that point. Regardless, it is still reimbursing for a large scale fleet fight which throws that policy out the window. If they choose to use that section of the policy to deny us reimbursement then at best it shows CCP GM's do not follow their own rules and just make things up as they go along. At worst it shows extreme favoritism. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6357
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:06:00 -
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So basically you're surprised that CCP laid down the law when you finally pushed an exploit far enough for them to notice. Gotcha. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
Trillian Stargazer
Origin. Black Legion.
10
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:07:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Ting Mei wrote:Veritas,
The problem is not only the node crash, but the TiDi system.
Even if we are all ok that is better to have TiDi than a systematic node crash as before, TiDi is really ruining the game little by little.
When you are in a fight, TIDI 10% is often activated, but the problem, is our brain not at 10%, and TIDI offer all the time for reinforcement to come, strategies to be discussed, etc ....
This really change the way of a fight ...
I'm very afraid CCP think TiDi is THE solution, and you are not working on something else ...
For me, don't know for others, even if on internal coms, most of players hate Tidi, that system is Ruining 0.0 fights little by little. the only way to counter Tidi is to make deminishing returns for too much players or dps or something that makes it not worth it to bring 1000's of people to a fight... thats the problem is the blob... i remember back in 06 when 200 people in a fight would cause black screens and node crashes now its 4000 people. the fact is they make it so you can play 4000 you guys will bring 5000 and so on... it really never ends... there needs to be a mechanic for demishing returns.
There were only 1200 people in system last night + 3k drones and 1350 fighter bombers.
I have been in lowsec fights with more people and the node didnt die.
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Icantspellwell
Ever Flow Northern Coalition.
16
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:So basically you're surprised that CCP laid down the law when you finally pushed an exploit far enough for them to notice. Gotcha.
It was a tactic used by so many different groups for such a long time that there is no way CCP did not notice it before. Then again... it is CCP. |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1143
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:32:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:CCP Explorer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?
The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.
Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load? This information is actually not fetched from the location node, but rather a dedicated service that runs elsewhere in the cluster. And yet, when my game becomes unresponsive, this is almost always what's clogging up the backlog.
guess you are confused between cause and effect here We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2295
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:35:00 -
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CCP Explorer wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?
The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.
Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load? This information is actually not fetched from the location node, but rather a dedicated service that runs elsewhere in the cluster. It still has to be assembled into the packets sent to each client. If there are sufficient of them it uses up bandwidth. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Xurr
Angelic Insurrection Corp
31
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Posted - 2013.11.23 21:42:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:MeBiatch wrote:Aiden Terona wrote:Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job. little know fact malc is Rob Ford. A new poll has come out in the last couple days. Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world. I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford. i voted for him and will do again. Personally i think as a people we need to get over our polititians... its just a job let them do it. If you look at his record he has been great. its like that guy who was running for the rebulicans who owns that famous pizza place ( Herman Cain). he should have been president but because he likes cheeting on his wife too much he was overlooked for the drone that is/was Mitt. Thats the main problem with American politics no one can actually do anything without worry that thier personal life will be put out to the public and then they will loose thier job.
Herman was winning in the polls briefly but there is a way huge difference between cheating on your wife and sexually harassing employees.
Anyhow, CCP null sec folks shooting each other is great for the economy so if you could sort this out it would be great. Mmmm k? |
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