Is IA checking on who authorized that process?

It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node.

It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node.

Veritas,

The problem is not only the node crash, but the TiDi system.

Even if we are all ok that is better to have TiDi than a systematic node crash as before, TiDi is really ruining the game little by little.

When you are in a fight, TIDI 10% is often activated, but the problem, is our brain not at 10%, and TIDI offer all the time for reinforcement to come, strategies to be discussed, etc ....

This really change the way of a fight ...

I'm very afraid CCP think TiDi is THE solution, and you are not working on something else ...

For me, don't know for others, even if on internal coms, most of players hate Tidi, that system is Ruining 0.0 fights little by little.

Don't like your "For the Thousand times".

If assisted doctrine was not existing for example, maybe the CPU would not receive an order from ONE person to manage at the same second 250 x 5 drones, and this multiplicate by the numbers of fleet ?

Don't like your "For the Thousand times".

Maybe there are other things to change, for the CPU to take less things in the face, such as revamp the Drone doctrine ? the Missiles ? How it works, how it is managed by the server ?

When you have, like yesterday, maybe something like 5000 drones on field, each one managed by the CPU, i'm quite sure CPU would love for example that Drones are considered as grouped ?

If assisted doctrine was not existing for example, maybe the CPU would not receive an order from ONE person to manage at the same second 250 x 5 drones, and this multiplicate by the numbers of fleet ?

Today, when you are on field, you don't see a ball of ships, you see a megaball of drones !

And i'm sorry, but today, is almost impossible to be over 20 persons jumping in an empty constellation without to get traffic control or tidi on the other side ... so maybe Tidi is also set a little too sensible.

With drone assist:

1 command to 1250 Drones total

Without drone assist:

250 commands to 1250 Drones total

It seems to me that drone assist means fewer commands processed. Without it, the number of commands to be processed by the server is much higher, thus bringing even more load on the server.

Is your CSM Tag allow you to be unpolite ?

You are there because player base put you there, so respect the player base.

Would be nice to explain why what i say is dumb, instead of just say "What you say is dumb", i certainly not have your athletic profile or your extreme science.

With drone assist:

1 command to 1250 Drones total

Without drone assist:

250 commands to 1250 Drones total

It seems to me that drone assist means fewer commands processed. Without it, the number of commands to be processed by the server is much higher, thus bringing even more load on the server.

Change the system so it doesn't require just to be at I-HUB and Station timers (and blob the sun with your friends) in order to take over or defend a system. Adding to that TIDI just gives another advantage to whoever has more numbers as they can resupply faster and get more, more, more, more ... numbers, what else?!

If CCP really goes (even more) towards blobbing mechanics in sov warfare at least make them work in a decent way so it doesn't take 6-7h+ of fighting which non-try-hard gamers don't have to end a fight that would take like an hour.

Yes but i imagine not at the same second, wich i think is better for the CPU ?

When is 1 command, the CPU take all in the same second, and we are generaly using the same drones/sentry, we all have the same cycle, wich will start again and again at the same second ?

(and, is my very own opinion, but is borring and not fun at all to play that doctrine except if your are the assisted guy)

You could learn a thing or 2 about loyalty from Ting Mei, Sipphakta en Gravonere.

Maybe you are in an alliance where you aren't allowed to voice your own opinion. I, however, am not.

Hiya folks, just a quick post about the node death that prematurely ended the fighting in E-YJ8G.

Technical investigation is ongoing, but it's clear that there was some run-away processing that took over 5 minutes of un-interrupted CPU time to complete. Our cluster is set up to assume that any node that is unresponsive for more than 3 minutes is dead and is removed forcefully from the cluster so that the show may go on elsewhere.

We're investigating why exactly that spike in execution happened and I'm hopeful we can knock it back in line. We'll be able to share more details of what exactly happened once a fix is deployed.

I think you really need to change how drones work, at least mechanically. If dropping 10 sentries really just dropped 1 sentry that did the damage of a combined 10 then you would cut so much load off the server. In the era of carrier sentries now each individual is dropping 2 persons worth of drones. And before some butt flustered N3 guy comes in here claiming I am blaming them for the problems I am not, its just the only angle I can see where improvements could be easily made.

Veritas,

The problem is not only the node crash, but the TiDi system.

Even if we are all ok that is better to have TiDi than a systematic node crash as before, TiDi is really ruining the game little by little.

When you are in a fight, TIDI 10% is often activated, but the problem, is our brain not at 10%, and TIDI offer all the time for reinforcement to come, strategies to be discussed, etc ....

This really change the way of a fight ...

I'm very afraid CCP think TiDi is THE solution, and you are not working on something else ...

For me, don't know for others, even if on internal coms, most of players hate Tidi, that system is Ruining 0.0 fights little by little.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

the only way to counter Tidi is to make deminishing returns for too much players or dps or something that makes it not worth it to bring 1000's of people to a fight... thats the problem is the blob...

i remember back in 06 when 200 people in a fight would cause black screens and node crashes now its 4000 people. the fact is they make it so you can play 4000 you guys will bring 5000 and so on... it really never ends...

there needs to be a mechanic for demishing returns.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node.

the only way to counter Tidi is to make deminishing returns for too much players or dps or something that makes it not worth it to bring 1000's of people to a fight... thats the problem is the blob...

i remember back in 06 when 200 people in a fight would cause black screens and node crashes now its 4000 people. the fact is they make it so you can play 4000 you guys will bring 5000 and so on... it really never ends...

there needs to be a mechanic for demishing returns.

If you limit the size of a fleet or reduce the practical size you'll only end up with more fleets.

And the server can't know who's on what side in a fight.

(It appears to be an issue some players too now and then ;))

Was it a Cheetah??

Nobody's forcing you plebs to attend these multi-thousand man 'fun brawls'. I hardly ever see TiDi and I'm still having loads of fun.

You will end up with 100 alliances in 250 different fleets of 8-16 people each, to not get nerfed.
It works with supers, it works with dreads, the only problem it wouldn't work very well with drone doctrines unless the players are more pro-active and lock targets on their own.

something that makes it just not worth it to bring 1000's of players to just one system

I always consult the nerds who got owned by PL in-game and IRL for my definition of what 'fun' is.

What should happen instead is a general nerf of capital/supercapital EHP and capital repping capability. Capital reps are the reason for 1000 man fleets - you simply can't break 100 archons repping a super or a titan without either hundreds of dreads or a thousand of subcaps.

Remove killmails from null fights that involve more than 100 players and BAM no more 1000's that log in when the "supers tackled" call goes out. What do I win for fixing the issues?

For the thousandth time:


Massive fleet battles always made things happen more slowly

Getting rid of TiDi won't make the slowness go away

TiDi isn't what makes things happen more slowly.



Asking the server node to do more things that it can get done in a 1-second tick is what makes things happen more slowly. TiDi just makes sure that the slowness is apportioned out evenly. Even if CCP cancelled TiDi tomorrow, the "extra time for reinforcements" would still happen, but with added stuck modules, blackscreens, grossly unfair turkey-shoots, ghost-ships, people unable to log back in to their character for hours or even days and so on.

CCP don't think that TiDi is a "solution" to lag; TiDi is about making the effects of a given amount of lag more tolerable for the players. It's not touted as a solution any more than a doctor thinks that painkillers will "cure" your broken leg rather than merely reduce your discomfort while the bone heals.

As for whether CCP are still working on lag, maybe do some research on what the upper limit for a fleet fight size was before TiDi was introduced.

Because KMs are very important and a measure of ones ability to pvp?

It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node.

Is your CSM Tag allow you to be unpolite ? You are there because player base put you there, so respect the player base.

Would be nice to explain why what i say is dumb, instead of just say "What you say is dumb", i certainly not have your athletic profile or your extreme science.

I agree, killmails are the main part of what is driving the game. Being able to claim that you killed a titan is worthless unless you actually have proof.

Sov warfare would be worthless without seeing your alliances name in the top left corner of the screen (and on dotlan, ingame map, ...).

In the end, all you would get is "I was there, and we killed a lot, but I dont know how much". It would drastically reduce numbers in fleets, and the game itself.
So while you would fix TiDi, you would break CCPs income and the fun for most people.

It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node.

I prefer people to be straight honest into my face

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

It does.



I ran on a platform of calling out dumb ignorant ideas. Failing to do so would be deeply disrespectful to the players who voted for me. Now you wouldn't want me to be deeply disrespectful to the players who voted for me, would you?



I used my magic CSM Time Machine to put in the explaination you require right underneath the "For the thousandth time" part. You can tell I used to the CSM Time Machine because there's no edit stamp!

#abuseofpower
#secretprivilege

I hope this fight and the one in KW-I6T earlier are not a start of a trend where every big supercap fight on an unreinforced node ends up in a node crash. I don't like TIDI but I accept it because we have no other option right now however the time for band aid fixes is over. Considering how Eve is the only thing keeping CCP afloat I would assume they are working on a better solution.. Hopefully. I hope that the lack of new short term solutions is a sign of long term solutions being worked on. Veritas has commented how "he lost his team" (team gridlock that worked on these issues) and was reassigned. This does not sound very hopeful to me. CCP must understand that the current state can't last for more than a few more years. I hope Eve's second decade doesn't consist of small border skirmishes that crash server nodes. That's a lot of hope and I really don't have any of it for CCP.

The size of the battles is not going down and will not do so until subscriber numbers start dropping. The current meta is drone assist and that will not be changing considering the advantages and most importantly drone assist works much better in high lag than normal gun/launcher modules. I don't know if drone based doctrines are more taxing to the servers but considering how this node crashed at 1100 people I might just make that assumption. TIDI itself is a bit counter productive because it allows one person to bring all his accounts and play them perfectly because he has so much time to act. Personally I don't bother with that in these fights that don't concern our space. Instead I just play other games and do a single bombing run every 30 minutes or just have my FC play my Dominix while I play other games.

[quote=Malcanis

Actually, what you did was make a stupid and arrogant post that didn't respond to what he really said. If you are going to roll out the contempt wagon it helps to actually read the contents of the post you are responding to as you stand a better chance of looking less like someone with his head up his own arse.

Veritas,

The problem is not only the node crash, but the TiDi system.

Even if we are all ok that is better to have TiDi than a systematic node crash as before, TiDi is really ruining the game little by little.

When you are in a fight, TIDI 10% is often activated, but the problem, is our brain not at 10%, and TIDI offer all the time for reinforcement to come, strategies to be discussed, etc ....

This really change the way of a fight ...

I'm very afraid CCP think TiDi is THE solution, and you are not working on something else ...

For me, don't know for others, even if on internal coms, most of players hate Tidi, that system is Ruining 0.0 fights little by little.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

I would in fact love a mechanic that would discourage multi-thousand man node-crashing fights (at least as long as they are node-crashing). But I have yet to see a proposal that actually works.

You can't simply penalize based on fleet size. The same group of people would just split off into multiple smaller fleets, lead from the same out-of-game comms. You won't make it undesirable to run large fleets, just more tedious.

You can't stacking penalize DPS on ships. That would only mean that even more people are needed to break the same tank and would lead to even bigger fleets to apply the same DPS.

What should happen instead is a general nerf of capital/supercapital EHP and capital repping capability. Capital reps are the reason for 1000 man fleets - you simply can't break 100 archons repping a super or a titan without either hundreds of dreads or a thousand of subcaps.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

Line of sight fire. Blobbing will be ineffective since people have to account for friendly ships being in line of sight. This would also require actual formations, multiple warp-in points, in the process making instaprobing pointless and fight distances relevant again.

You're welcome.

Line of sight fire. Blobbing will be ineffective since people have to account for friendly ships being in line of sight. This would also require actual formations, multiple warp-in points, in the process making instaprobing pointless and fight distances relevant again.

You're welcome.

Was it a Cheetah??

I didn't mean to imply a single voter's pearl-clutching opinion actually matters

It was processing a standard gameplay request from a player. This was not a case of developer interaction with the node.

The solution is obvious.

People answer to incentives, but bad peformance is not incentive enough to stop piling every last possible ship on grid.

So, a incentive to stop piling ships on grid must be provided.

The war against poor performance in big battles is lost beforehand. No matter how much CCP raises the cap, every faction will try to outnumber the others and all combined will bring down the server.

So stop it altogether. Quality of experience is preferable to quantity of players bored to death as their game plays without them.

My suggestion: improve as much as possible the performance of 4,000 ships battles and add stacking penalties to fleet size and force proportion (that is, big fleets and fleets that massively outpower others will suffer increasingly harsh penalties).

"Let's force less people to participate, that'll make things more fun"

Kind of ridiculous you get the CSM who is meant to be representing the community, come around with such crappy attitude. Childish man obviously not up for the job.

Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?

The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.

Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load?

Did anyone even bother to inform CCP the fight was going to happen?

Just reimbuse everyhting and its fine.

I've seen nodes crashed using a single Cloaky Tech 3 jumping through a gate. Not sure HOW they did that, but everytime you saw a T3 decloak, not moving and being unlockable, that would lock up the node.

That was already there in 2009 and I believe this bug is still out there.

little know fact malc is Rob Ford.

Yes, the node was reinforced.

Yes, the node was reinforced.

A new poll has come out in the last couple days.
Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world.

I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford.

A new poll has come out in the last couple days.
Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world.

I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford.

Clinton was a pothead

A new poll has come out in the last couple days.
Robbie boy has a higher approval rating in Toronto than Obama has in the states 39-37.....I despair for the world.

I would also expect many of the libertarian nut jobs on this forum would vote for Ford.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.

let me get that right: your sevrer crashs, I land somewhere of battlefield on a safespot, not to have my fighterbombers returned as they are supposed to be with new features that were implemented some time ago when carriers/supercarriers crash? unable to reconnect?

ok

SoGǪ when did Dr. Eyjo G start at CCP anyway?

Open up monitor during a fight like this, and what do I see?

The client is fetching bounties and killrights. Again and again and again.

Nobody ******* needs these in a large null battle. Killrights are completely irrelevant, and bounties can be payed out later/ Seriously, why are bounties still payed out instantly, when NPC bounties are on a 20 minute tick for the exact reason of avoiding excess server load?

This information is actually not fetched from the location node, but rather a dedicated service that runs elsewhere in the cluster.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

So take it all the capital pilots will get their billions of isk worth of bombers back they lost

Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.

I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up.

I wonder who made a mint scanning all those bombers down and scooping them up.

they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there

Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to

The solution is obvious.

People answer to incentives, but bad peformance is not incentive enough to stop piling every last possible ship on grid.

So, a incentive to stop piling ships on grid must be provided.

The war against poor performance in big battles is lost beforehand. No matter how much CCP raises the cap, every faction will try to outnumber the others and all combined will bring down the server.

So stop it altogether. Quality of experience is preferable to quantity of players bored to death as their game plays without them.

My suggestion: improve as much as possible the performance of 4,000 ships battles and add stacking penalties to fleet size and force proportion (that is, big fleets and fleets that massively outpower others will suffer increasingly harsh penalties).

Nobody. Bombers are too big for that. We destroyed some of them, and I think the Russians finished the job later on.

Is your CSM Tag allow you to be unpolite ? You are there because player base put you there, so respect the player base.

Would be nice to explain why what i say is dumb, instead of just say "What you say is dumb", i certainly not have your athletic profile or your extreme science.

Yeah that's exactly what happened, and the reimbursement policy was altered ex-post-facto in order to screw ncdotte

[quote=Abrazzar]
Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to

Nobody. Bombers are too big for that. We destroyed some of them, and I think the Russians finished the job later on.

So I guess those carriers that were coming and taking the bombers were a figment of my imagination

That certainty you seem to have gleaned from my post about what happened after I left system certainly is.

they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there

Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to

Dunno if you were specifically there, but there was still lots of goons on grid and there was carriers jumping in an out grabbing the fighters. So your statement that they were all destroyed is a load of krud

Dunno if you were specifically there, but there was still lots of goons on grid and there was carriers jumping in an out grabbing the fighters. So your statement that they were all destroyed is a load of krud

they didn't have to, they conviently stayed on grid and were looted / destroyed from there

Guess NC wont get reimbursement, mittens probably batphoned CCP and told them not to

Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.

Regardless of what the policy says they broke that policy when they reimbursed the razor carriers that died defending the csaa during the Tribute War.

I was there...

Streamed the whole thing

http://www.twitch.tv/mad_ani/c/3285133

I figured that's what you were talking about.

IIRC there was some sort of exploit involved.

I figured that's what you were talking about.

IIRC there was some sort of exploit involved.

the only way to counter Tidi is to make deminishing returns for too much players or dps or something that makes it not worth it to bring 1000's of people to a fight... thats the problem is the blob...

i remember back in 06 when 200 people in a fight would cause black screens and node crashes now its 4000 people. the fact is they make it so you can play 4000 you guys will bring 5000 and so on... it really never ends...

there needs to be a mechanic for demishing returns.

So basically you're surprised that CCP laid down the law when you finally pushed an exploit far enough for them to notice.
Gotcha.

And yet, when my game becomes unresponsive, this is almost always what's clogging up the backlog.

This information is actually not fetched from the location node, but rather a dedicated service that runs elsewhere in the cluster.

i voted for him and will do again.

Personally i think as a people we need to get over our polititians... its just a job let them do it.

If you look at his record he has been great.

its like that guy who was running for the rebulicans who owns that famous pizza place ( Herman Cain). he should have been president but because he likes cheeting on his wife too much he was overlooked for the drone that is/was Mitt.

Thats the main problem with American politics no one can actually do anything without worry that thier personal life will be put out to the public and then they will loose thier job.

guess you are confused between cause and effect here

Nobody cares, posting your link here is channel invasion and you will be reported.

SoGǪ when did Dr. Eyjo G start at CCP anyway?

Yes, the node was reinforced.

I don't get how people can be old enough to fly supercarriers and not know about CCP reimbursement policies. I knew that if I lost my battlecruiser for whatever reason I'm not getting it back when that was the only thing I could fly.

Section 1.5 here http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-reimbursement-policy covers fleet fights.

mad ani i mean this sincerely: stop posting, stop streaming, unsub from eve and go away forever. You are the Worst.

Wow.
Wow.
I feel like an idiot for just now figuring out what this had to do with the thread.

Did anyone even bother to inform CCP the fight was going to happen?

Not to mention increasing the amount of calculations the server has to do exponentially.

Try again with less smug.

Because the best fights are always planned weeks in advance?

It's a very simple vector calculation. Even in 4000+ man fights, at most there'd be about 2000 per server tick, which even gets stretched out with tidi. Vector calculations are extremely cheap to do computationally so i don't see how it would significantly increase server load.

Because the best fights are always planned weeks in advance?

Well CCP's solution sucks, because no one is enjoying playing in tidi, or tidi 6 jumps away from the fight with 30 guys in system doing nothing.

At least when the node would just crash pre-tidi, you could go do something else. Now every nullsec battle is a 4~8 hour, painful lag fest that no one enjoys playing in, and negates the possibility for any interesting meta.

WELL DONE.

The solution here is to destroy all ships on nodes that crash.

How many Ibis can be bridged at the same time to the same system?

That is not the correct question, the right question, the right question is how many ibis can refit in space from the same supercarrier at the same time.

Maybe I am just terribly naive, but couldn't this all be resolved with more/better hardware that was able to deal these kinds of fights?

I'm sure there is money for it.

The best node CCP have on hands right now were described by a DEV as OC'd Xeon CPU cores. At some point, you can;t really push the clocks any higher while keeping the system stable for long enough. LN2 cooling is cool and all to set records but you can;t really run **** for full days with that. Having a server admin being paid to pour LN2 in the CPU cooler all day? Definitely gonna happen... NOT.

Maybe I am just terribly naive, but couldn't this all be resolved with more/better hardware that was able to deal these kinds of fights?

I'm sure there is money for it.

Problem is not in drone assist, but in slowcat format overall: all those drones just lag the system and are reason for crashed nodes. Bottomless drone bay should go away (each assembled drone in bay takes a bit of CPU time to calculate its shield regen, keep track of armor and hull HP etc...). Solution for this is not simple: CCP might have to remove +1drone/level from carriers, forbid carriers using normal drones/sentries, buff fighters and make DDAs/Omnilinks affect fighters. Same treatment for supers.

If that was possible it would've been done already. For every hardware upgrade players will just stack more ships/drones in system.

Quoting myself for possible fix:

If you do that, doesn't that negate a carrier/super carrier's main strength?

If you do that, doesn't that negate a carrier/super carrier's main strength?

Please define: carrier/super carrier's main strength. I'd say it is its role as logistic ship.

They did that once already. They removed +1drone/level from galente drone ships(guardian-vexor is sole survivor) but introduced adv. drone interfacing skill to compensate. In this case compensation will be in form of fighter buff with drone upgrade modules (carriers are supposed to use fighters, not drones). Supercarriers are limited to fighter-bombers already.

(carriers are supposed to use fighters, not drones)..

Supercarriers are limited to fighter-bombers already.

I'm not too savvy with computers, so I figured it was worth the question. You say it is unrealistic to have it run like that for days on end...would it be possible to just have something like that kick in when major activities such as these battles happen? then it'd be a max of maybe 6 hours at a time, whenever there was a huge fight?

how about, get a different server/shard when big fights happen switch to that server and the resulting consequences can then be copied onto this one until they have better tech to handle this. /random useless idea #19034907

Wow.
Wow.
I feel like an idiot for just now figuring out what this had to do with the thread.

That's what they have been working on for some time now, sadly 'on the fly' active node remapping (the brain in a box project) is something still a few years off.

Looking forward to the next thread: "Regarding ZJA-6U last night".

This is wrong, you are wrong and should feel bad, Supers can carry both figher-bombers and bombers, you literally are talking out of your ass and making yourself look stupid.

Maybe I am just terribly naive, but couldn't this all be resolved with more/better hardware that was able to deal these kinds of fights?

Supers can carry both figher-bombers and bombers, you literally are talking out of your ass and making yourself look stupid.

Oh, did I hurt your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already?

Well then I apologise unreservedly for hurting your feelings by making you feel as if you'd said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already

No one should have their feelings hurt just because they said a dumb, ignorant thing that had been said on these forums by by nine hundred and ninety nine dumb, ignorant people already.

That was wrong of me.

It was quickly covered here: https://twitter.com/erlendur/status/404406785354002433

Haha oh man. If that's what the node looked like when it was reinforced, then your **** is even more screwed up than I thought.

This is getting to be intolerable. If you don't address it, people will start to get pissed off and leave, if they haven't already.

Madness

Not to our knowledge. This fleet fight was reinforced on an IBM System x3650 server with Intel "Everest" Xeon 5698 (a variant of the Westmere Xeon 5600 lineup, which has four of its six cores disabled) which runs at 4.4 GHz.

I'm not too savvy with computers, so I figured it was worth the question. You say it is unrealistic to have it run like that for days on end...would it be possible to just have something like that kick in when major activities such as these battles happen? then it'd be a max of maybe 6 hours at a time, whenever there was a huge fight?

but you're running it with microsoft software, so youre basicly halving your performance.