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Necrologic
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:13:00 -
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 Originally by: Skywalker
What defines a good pirate ?
I would say, how many people he/she have killed.
This is the only way to measure success, since ransoming and blackmailing don't qualify. There is no use in talking about honourable pirates all that matters is ship kills wich produces loot. Forum whoring, well that's another issue. There are alot of big forum pirates out there...
I would like to give some credits to Lo3d3r / MAFIA since he is on top on both major killboards www.podbase.com and killboard.eve-extra.com
I disagree. There is alot more to piracy than just your kills. Kills just reflect how much time you are able to spend online, and weather your gate camping or belt pirating. I'd judge a pirate on thigs like charisma, style, and how much of an impression they leave before looking at the amount of kills.
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Mangold
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Skywalker
What defines a good pirate ?
I would say, how many people he/she have killed.
This is the only way to measure success, since ransoming and blackmailing don't qualify. There is no use in talking about honourable pirates all that matters is ship kills wich produces loot. Forum whoring, well that's another issue. There are alot of big forum pirates out there...
I would like to give some credits to Lo3d3r / MAFIA since he is on top on both major killboards www.podbase.com and killboard.eve-extra.com
I disagree. There is alot more to piracy than just your kills. Kills just reflect how much time you are able to spend online, and weather your gate camping or belt pirating. I'd judge a pirate on thigs like charisma, style, and how much of an impression they leave before looking at the amount of kills.
That's why I'd put Sniggs at the top.
It's all about reputation.
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Beringe
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Don¦t get me wrong - i liked the noble Jokers too...but it¦s evolution (not the corp EVOL) that decides who is successfull and who not. Jokers as example for the most noble pirate corp is quite fair, i guess. But in the end, what did they achieve? They quitted EVE because they didn¦t want to adapt.
The Jokers were more famous for fighting terribly outnumbered. They were a tiny, elite fighting force (only 2 members for a long time, later up to about 5).
And afaik, they aren't playing because of RL reasons. I never did see a quitting post from them.
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Guardian Alpha
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:33:00 -
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I'm going to agree with necro on this. Kills certainly are not a top deciding factor due to the kills possibly comprising of a lot of covetors or rookie ships. A good deal of the smarter pirates don't post killmails except on their own private boards for personal logging. The public release of the killboard information means their setups or hunting grounds could easily be discovered and thus their kills remain unknown for the most part.
To ignore those who do not post everything publically disposes of quite a few very good pirates.
And then you have other pirates who hate the term pirate, but would prefer to be called "murderer", "griefer", or "anti-life supporter" (malka, for instance  ) in which their reputation and objectives different from most pirates but earn a level of respect through different means. Honor versus Fear, and so forth.
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Masta Killa
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Posted - 2006.02.27 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Back in the day I would give it to Swisher and Borg fusion, but now I dont really know of anyone that spectacular mabey I should get out more often....
For a so called pirate, swisher sure has lost his npc raven often to my old corp and smacktalked without daring to fight me 1v1 or even 2v1.
I'm not old enough to know much about the Jokers but I do know that Tank was the one of the oldie pirates I knew most of.
As for newer ones, I'd say Ryan Routine was the best one... soloing is ftw no matter what anyone says.
I remember when he was in G while I was in RKK and all the bobbits shook in their boots at the mention of his name and they tracked him almost whereever he went 
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GoGo Yubari
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Necrologic
I disagree. There is alot more to piracy than just your kills. Kills just reflect how much time you are able to spend online, and weather your gate camping or belt pirating. I'd judge a pirate on thigs like charisma, style, and how much of an impression they leave before looking at the amount of kills.
Agreed. That has always been my personal approach to piracy.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:51:00 -
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Kills certainly are not a top deciding factor
Then what is it?
- forum bitc.ing?
- local smacktalk?
- kind in tolling chats?
Only kills count...
Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/
Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips
Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Lifewire
Only kills count...
That doesn't even make sense. Someone can post all the kills in the world and still be a horrible pirate, such as a multi-kill covetor hunter against single-kill dreadnought. Killmails can be faked and are often a bad representation of what actually occured in battle.
Piracy and murder isn't about your kills, but your presence. Ginger is someone who has quite a few kills under his belt but is generally taken with a muffled laugh due to his attitude, style, and battle philosophy. Others like Verone and Tank CEO are both well known because of their tactics, personalities, style, and contributions back to the community. There is much more to EVE than the killmails, especially when numbers don't equal actual skill. Gate camping is a peice of cake, but I have more respect for belt hunters due to additional pilot skill required.
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Verone
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Posted - 2006.02.27 19:57:00 -
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What the amarrian bird said ^^
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:05:00 -
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I would say that it's how you get your kills that count, I mean someone who has killed 1000's of people gate ganking in a group wouldn't get the same amount of respect of someone who has fought out numbered many times and won, or who has won many 1v1 fights of similar or unbalanced ship classes. But that is looking at it from a pvp perspective.
Logically the 'best' pirate would be one who had the highest financial gain to financial loss ratio from pirating.
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:06:00 -
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I would say that it's how you get your kills that count,
QFT. The method of carnage is more admirable than the carnage itself.
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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I would say that it's how you get your kills that count,
QFT. The method of carnage is more admirable than the carnage itself.
It's more fun that way as well isn't it? 
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Erk we just agreed on something didn't we?  I hope it doesnĘt cause spontaneous combustion 
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:41:00 -
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Logically the 'best' pirate would be one who had the highest financial gain to financial loss ratio from pirating.
What i said: lot of kills --> lot of loot.
Sure - there is a difference in what kind of prey you killed and not the pure number of kills count. But in the end a pirate with 4000 kills is a winner, while a pirate with 150 kills is a n00b or a looser.
BTW: i am pretty sure that people like Tank have enough kills to be on the winner side 
Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/
Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips
Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
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Malka Badi'a
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:42:00 -
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It's more fun that way as well isn't it?
I agree. I could gate camp all day and end up with an ego the size of Jita, but in reality I'm doing nothing more than ignoring the rest of EVE mechanics. Quote:
Erk we just agreed on something didn't we? I hope it doesnĘt cause spontaneous combustion
Psy, you may hate me for my annoying, prideful attitude. But that doesn't mean I don't respect you as a pirate for having the tactics and proper attitude of a murderer. We can agree and I'm sure the worst that will happen is that the devs will lock the thread because of their initial fear of an overthrow of the forums. 
Cheers ♥
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Lodhi
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Posted - 2006.02.27 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Malka Badi'a
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It's more fun that way as well isn't it?
I agree. I could gate camp all day and end up with an ego the size of Jita, but in reality I'm doing nothing more than ignoring the rest of EVE mechanics. Quote:
Erk we just agreed on something didn't we? I hope it doesnĘt cause spontaneous combustion
Psy, you may hate me for my annoying, prideful attitude. But that doesn't mean I don't respect you as a pirate for having the tactics and proper attitude of a murderer. We can agree and I'm sure the worst that will happen is that the devs will lock the thread because of their initial fear of an overthrow of the forums.
Cheers ♥
Ok, this must be the end of the world or something! 
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:15:00 -
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The best pirate(s) in eve would be the ones with the most loot, and the ones that instill the most fear in the enemy. I don't think sniping alone would constitute the best pirate even though it may generate the most kills and the most loot.
Some things that would be required of somebody before I would consider them a pirate worthy of note:
1) The ability to win fights outnumbered
2) Knowledge of Empire tactics such as sniping AND sentry tanking
3) The ability to find people on the scanner in 30 seconds or less and warp to their belt.
4) The ability to move quickly behind enemy lines in alliance space, kill their npc'ers, grab the loot, and get out.
5) The ability to stand up against actual PvP'ers (which usually requires a fairly large force since all true "PvP'ers" like to blob ) and win fights.
I agree with lifewire to a certain extent. But sniping all day just isn't that much fun...and unfortunately, this isn't real life...so sometimes fun is > isk.
Other than the top members in my corp, the only pirates that come to my mind when I think of accomplished groups would be the core members of Tundragons, and ATUF. MAFIA is worthy of mention as well, but I've never seen or heard of them doing anything other than sniping...but they qualify on volume alone. I'm not going to bother mentioning all the extinct pirate corps. Most are inactive or have been assimilated by alliances.
There are lots of small roving pirate groups, but there are very few that really make a profit from piracy, and even fewer that can hold their own against large alliance PvP corps.
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Apollyon X
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:21:00 -
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The best pirate in EVE is Slarti. Hes the master of hit and run and is surgical with his crow and MWD so I can never manage to catch the little bugger. He is also a pretty nice dude and doesn't talk smack.
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:24:00 -
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but I've never seen or heard of them doing anything other than sniping
We did 0.0 piracy for 2 years. I personally have left the PVP state and now am a PVD player (player vs DEVS).
Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/
Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips
Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:36:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Lifewire
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but I've never seen or heard of them doing anything other than sniping
We did 0.0 piracy for 2 years. I personally have left the PVP state and now am a PVD player (player vs DEVS).
I know you did. I was talking about mafia.
I understand why you do what you do, and I witnessed the transformation into PvD. Can't say I blame you for it.
Shamis
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Lifewire
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:41:00 -
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and I witnessed the transformation into PvD
lol
Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/
Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips
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JoKane
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Posted - 2006.02.27 21:47:00 -
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I will nominate the old school MAFIA crew also. Their philosophy in this game is to kill as much as possible, period. Small targets, large targets, old players or noobs doesnt matter. Everyone that comes near their guns gets fired upon.
I know alot will say that ganking doesnt require any skills, its boring and lame etc but this is what they do, and they do it good. Especially Skywalkers deserves a mention. He dont have the possibility to spend as much time ingame as others but still manages to gets loads with kills.
The old Loot corp players deserves a mention also. I did some camping with them and they really knew how to lock down a system. Their teamwork and super boosted sniping ships made sure that noone made it trough alive.
I also agree with pretty much everything that Shamis said. All that he mentioned is required for a pirate who roam around and doesnt gank to be successful.
Pirates that roam around that deserves a mention, well I dont know. There is so many and most ppl allready know about the most famous ones. I know ATUF are doing good, Tundragon for sure + the old teddy members. There is so many, cant really think of any special now that is still playing/still pirating.
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2006.02.27 22:47:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Necrologic
Originally by: Skywalker
What defines a good pirate ?
I would say, how many people he/she have killed.
This is the only way to measure success, since ransoming and blackmailing don't qualify. There is no use in talking about honourable pirates all that matters is ship kills wich produces loot. Forum whoring, well that's another issue. There are alot of big forum pirates out there...
I would like to give some credits to Lo3d3r / MAFIA since he is on top on both major killboards www.podbase.com and killboard.eve-extra.com
I disagree. There is alot more to piracy than just your kills. Kills just reflect how much time you are able to spend online, and weather your gate camping or belt pirating. I'd judge a pirate on thigs like charisma, style, and how much of an impression they leave before looking at the amount of kills.
The amount of FEAR you generate when your name pops up in local. Also, the amount smacktalk from the antipirates is indicative as well. |
Famine Aligher'ri
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Posted - 2006.02.27 23:07:00 -
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Damn so much pirate love starting to make me sick. 
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Psycarne
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Posted - 2006.02.28 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Damn so much pirate love starting to make me sick.
Sure you don't want a hug Famine?
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:12:00 -
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Originally by: Psycarne
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Damn so much pirate love starting to make me sick.
Sure you don't want a hug Famine?
Hugs all round!!
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
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Tenacha Khan
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Superbus Maximus
Back in the day I would give it to Swisher and Borg fusion, but now I dont really know of anyone that spectacular mabey I should get out more often....
You know me and thats enough
And Wrangler > j00 -Eldo
I pwnt Wrangler - Tenacha |
kessah
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Posted - 2006.02.28 02:57:00 -
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i duno whos the biggest tho im getting alot of grief from being a lone pirate these last few days.
you really do get alot of abuse, more than ive every had preivously.
What do u say to some loser that calls u a empire nub killer? i personally do it for profit, i mean i generally treat every new player to enter 0.5 > as an alt? i instingtivly block but sometime it gets on my nerves that they dont relise its a game. AND a game that warns to dangerous space.
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SATAN
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Posted - 2006.02.28 03:24:00 -
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All this forum posting from all these little piwats, you guys all already know who are the best pirates in eve but I guess denial is not just a river in Egypt.
A pirates success should be based on kills/wealth, after all isnt that why we all do it? Unfortunatly there is no way to know what someones wallet looks like so there is no way to know wealth. Many of you so called pirates also have alts that make you isk, because your "pirating" cant even cover your losses.
Fact of the mater is that except for a few of you, the rest are and always have been afraid of your own shadows and unless there is a blob of friends sitting next to you running is the only thing you are good at.
Knowing that just look at kills then, take out useless kills like frigs and such and I can all but assure you Burn Eden will take the cake for best 0.0 pirate corp. Empire pirating probably Snig or Tund, maybe biomass.
Some people that impressed me personaly is Tank, he is very slippery and really was great at 1v1's. Zombie and the original mOo crew, they inspired us to do what we do.
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Superbus Maximus
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Posted - 2006.02.28 06:07:00 -
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Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 28/02/2006 06:07:06
Originally by: Tenacha Khan
Originally by: Psycarne
Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
Damn so much pirate love starting to make me sick.
Sure you don't want a hug Famine?
Hugs all round!!
Well Tenacha u get the Pirate with the biggest balls award flys 66 jumps from home system in a very expensive ship with one lone scout as support, all through low sec with a negative sec status mind you now thats ballZz.
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kessah
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Posted - 2006.02.28 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: SATAN
All this forum posting from all these little piwats, you guys all already know who are the best pirates in eve but I guess denial is not just a river in Egypt.
A pirates success should be based on kills/wealth, after all isnt that why we all do it? Unfortunatly there is no way to know what someones wallet looks like so there is no way to know wealth. Many of you so called pirates also have alts that make you isk, because your "pirating" cant even cover your losses.
Fact of the mater is that except for a few of you, the rest are and always have been afraid of your own shadows and unless there is a blob of friends sitting next to you running is the only thing you are good at.
Knowing that just look at kills then, take out useless kills like frigs and such and I can all but assure you Burn Eden will take the cake for best 0.0 pirate corp. Empire pirating probably Snig or Tund, maybe biomass.
Some people that impressed me personaly is Tank, he is very slippery and really was great at 1v1's. Zombie and the original mOo crew, they inspired us to do what we do.
lol steady on my aggrogant friend. now i may not like burn eden for the most part but if you guys didnt fill your low 'completly' *i dont discourage 1 or 2* with warp core stabilizers you'd prolly get the vote. Yes i know your tierd of hearing about it but when you say "the rest are and always have been afriad of your own shadows" it really does give me that 'wow' reaction.
I generally feel if i dont have more than -6 scramble strength in my gang i generally pass you guys by simply becus you will turn tail as soon as your Dampening fails and your taking armour hit your ravens.
I think your corp is very coordinated and quite organised but dont let all them kills go to your head and start feeling that your superior.
Tundragon altho i dislike members, are and it pains me to admit, are honourable and as soon as summin is done in the corp that isnt how the game is really ment to be used they discourage it or kick you. Which if you took a lesson from em then u may get alittle more respect.
Also the history of some of your members is a damn disgrace. Some of you guys have acted worse than Ginger magician or fatballs in your sportsmanship, but again i suppose this is all meaningless if brute effeciant killing using any and all mean nessary to score points then sure if u will you guys are it...
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