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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
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Posted - 2013.11.30 06:56:00 -
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We all are Gamers here right? So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying. Im cu-+ri-+ous my Enquiring Mind Needs To Know! The 25 Most Annoying Things About Online Gamers |

Iria Ahrens
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
110
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:05:00 -
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Only 25 things? Because you disdained all my counsel, and my reproof you ignoredGÇö I, in my turn, will laugh at your doom; will mock when terror overtakes you; -- Ultimate Griefer's Handbook |

baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
8893
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:06:00 -
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Bears. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
31
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:07:00 -
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Except that all of these 25 annoying things are what make up the eve community.
Changing that would be boring.
Pointless thread is pointless. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2041
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:12:00 -
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That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. Oh god. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6515
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:21:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. What a bizarre attempt at an insult. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Anomaly One
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:22:00 -
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some of the things mentioned there are stupid, people still hate campers? LOL he even argues about quick scoping as being annoying, wtf...
*~~*running my own mission and have some class bully run up and blow me up because they think its funny, then give the excuses that I was just firing fireworks at you*~~* |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:24:00 -
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Of course This thread Is Pointless Thats the point and I could Find more than 25 reasons why eve gamers can be annoying thats what makes it more the fun and I love my carebears and maybe the writer is a Feminist. However we all can agree this thread is a fact like it or not Oh God help us |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1716
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:25:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist.
Not empty quoting. That was one of the worst things I've read in a while, and I am not only a Redditor but also frequent 4Chan.
When you beat 4Chan in sheer awfulness... you need to quit before it gets you sanctioned by the United Nations. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2041
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Posted - 2013.11.30 07:29:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. What a bizarre attempt at an insult. Sorry, I just find those guys detestable. They're just doing it for E-Peen points on Tumblr. Also this. Oh god. |
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Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2752
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:33:00 -
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I like #1 at the end best. Eve's list would include at least 26, because we would have to add bad forum posters. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Asura Vajrarupa
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2013.11.30 09:57:00 -
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This article reads like it was written ten years ago by someone who has had a life long stuggle with being unfunny. Ignorance is the cause of suffering. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:06:00 -
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Erotica 1 wrote:I like #1 at the end best. Eve's list would include at least 26, because we would have to add bad forum posters. Im in agreement this is bad and this only the beginning I assure you there will be worse Forum Posts To Come I can counter any rustle of Jimmies expect me to rustle some feathers myself not only in the eve community also world gaming as whole so I wouldnt get to comfortable. |

Espenson
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:38:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote: They're just doing it for E-Peen points on Tumblr. Weirder still.
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Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1204
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:45:00 -
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Not kicking in that open door.  |

Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
265
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:03:00 -
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Most of those don't apply to Eve.
Eve players in general are some of the most retardedly annoying people I know though.
The article is pretty accurate for online console gamers. In after the lock :P -á - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies |

Singoth
Angels of Blood and Fury Synthetic Systems
241
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:04:00 -
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According to the article, the only thing you're allowed to do in a game is... umm... nothing? Screw that.
If someone annoys me, I'm not going to complain about it and make an article about it to vent my tears. Instead, I'm going to annoy them. So should everyone else. Less yappin', more zappin'! |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:15:00 -
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I can't make or read a list of annoyances because i'm a grown man.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:23:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Most of those don't apply to Eve.
Eve players in general are some of the most retardedly annoying people I know though.
The article is pretty accurate for online console gamers. 1) So what on the List dosnt apply To Eve please elaborate? 2) In agreement But community isnt the most ******** as a whole. It has the potential to be One of the greatest 3)Agreed However this article can be applied to other Platforms I just wanted to be efficient just post a link instead of rediting the whole article.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:25:00 -
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Singoth wrote:According to the article, the only thing you're allowed to do in a game is... umm... nothing? Screw that.
If someone annoys me, I'm not going to complain about it and make an article about it to vent my tears. Instead, I'm going to annoy them. So should everyone else. My Friend No Tears Here.
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Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1595
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:29:00 -
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Hi-sec and null-sec  This is not a signature. |

Arduemont
The State of War.
2483
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:41:00 -
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There appears to be an Erotica 1 in here. Quick, kill it.
mynnna wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:mynnna wrote:I wouldn't. His antics in his "bonus room" have gotten creepy in a way that even goons find appalling. For that reason, he sure as hell won't be appearing on the official CFC ballot list. Whatever support he can dredge up here is what he'll get. As I will address in more detail soon, there has been an odd campaign lately to silence our voices. I am not standing down, and I will not let the status quo stand. Together, we can change things and make Eve better for everyone. Would you please explain for the crowd trying to get someone to rub mayo all over themselves (and send pictures) achieves that? Because, really, I don't see it, and the empty platitudes don't really help.
mynnna wrote:Erotica 1 wrote:I don't think this forum is an appropriate place to link my extensive client photograph collection. Perhaps we can arrange to have samples of them posted on some fansite. The player you are referencing had fun, and I'm sure he will come forward to talk about it soon. Many of my bonus round clients, whether they win or lose, have a good time. Many also, even if they lose, tell me later than they have had their eyes opened to the possibilities within the sandbox and thank me for it. For anyone that wishes me to run a boring, dry campaign, I'm sorry but there will be lots of fun and excitement. This will be a CSM campaign like no other.  Openly and shamelessly admitting you're building a collection of IRL pictures from your "clients" with absolutely no awareness of how creepy that is. Thanks for making my point, I couldn't have done It better myself.
"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." |

Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
266
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:52:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Most of those don't apply to Eve.
Eve players in general are some of the most retardedly annoying people I know though.
The article is pretty accurate for online console gamers. 1) So what on the List dosnt apply To Eve please elaborate? 2) In agreement But community isnt the most ret5rde3d as a whole. It has the potential to be One of the greatest 3)Agreed However this article can be applied to other Platforms I just wanted to be efficient just post a link instead of rediting the whole article.
25. gender swappers - really? A problem? 24. Clan players - this is supposed to be a problem in some raid or similar group where players of the leaders clan are placed above random pick-up-groupers. Doesn't apply to Eve. And neither do I see it as a problem really. 23. achievement hoarders - Eve doesn't have achievements 20. spoilers - eve doesnt have spoilers 18. laggers - This only applies to those playing on peer-to-peer online games. In a MMO when one person lags its just their problem, not anybody elses. 12. Glitchers - nuff said. I guess there has been some exploits in eve but I wouldnt call that a problem. Or CCP has dealt with them quickly. 11. Singers - you don't have to use voicecomms if you dont want to. Contrary to say PS3. 9. backstabbers - This is a virtue in Eve 8. happy campers - normal for Eve 7. rage quitter - lol 6. poor losers - I fail to see this annoying in Eve 5. poor winners - see above 4. bad language - I assume were all adults here 3. cheats - lol see parts 5 and 6 2. spawn killers - due to the way death works in Eve this is cannot even exist in Eve 1. griefers - virtue in Eve In after the lock :P -á - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies |

Cable Udan
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
263
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:06:00 -
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Terrible article is terrible.
Whoever wrote it needs to HTFU or GTFO. http://chasingtheblueflash.blogspot.com/
My Pirate Blog |

To Be Me
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:11:00 -
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Ill tell you how to make it less annoying,..
BIOMASS YOuRSELF |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
319
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:24:00 -
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not the greatest article.
generally the most annoying thing about eve players is the smug sense of superiority, based on installing a client and subbing.
I mean if you're actually any good then fair enough, you're just a normal well adjusted 1337 bellend. but reading WoW this way! ----------> over and over in local makes me want to drop my expensive gaming computer on their heads from the 3rd floor.
and buy an xboxone just to annoy them back. freelance space bum |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:26:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Most of those don't apply to Eve.
Eve players in general are some of the most retardedly annoying people I know though.
The article is pretty accurate for online console gamers. 1) So what on the List dosnt apply To Eve please elaborate? 2) In agreement But community isnt the most ret5rde3d as a whole. It has the potential to be One of the greatest 3)Agreed However this article can be applied to other Platforms I just wanted to be efficient just post a link instead of rediting the whole article. 25. gender swappers - really? A problem? 24. Clan players - this is supposed to be a problem in some raid or similar group where players of the leaders clan are placed above random pick-up-groupers. Doesn't apply to Eve. And neither do I see it as a problem really. 23. achievement hoarders - Eve doesn't have achievements 20. spoilers - eve doesnt have spoilers 18. laggers - This only applies to those playing on peer-to-peer online games. In a MMO when one person lags its just their problem, not anybody elses. 12. Glitchers - nuff said. I guess there has been some exploits in eve but I wouldnt call that a problem. Or CCP has dealt with them quickly. 11. Singers - you don't have to use voicecomms if you dont want to. Contrary to say PS3. 9. backstabbers - This is a virtue in Eve 8. happy campers - normal for Eve 7. rage quitter - lol 6. poor losers - I fail to see this annoying in Eve5. poor winners - see above 4. bad language - I assume were all adults here 3. cheats - lol see parts 5 and 6 2. spawn killers - due to the way death works in Eve this is cannot even exist in Eve 1. griefers - virtue in Eve well detailed However The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying not about how this awful article applies to eve online I was only sharing a fact that is true in online gaming as a whole. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:29:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying I'm sure I could think of many ways, but first you must answer the real question; Why would we want to?
Oh god. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1720
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:33:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote: well detailed However The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying not about how this awful article applies to eve online I was only sharing a fact that is true in online gaming as a whole.
Please be posting with your main. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:55:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying I'm sure I could think of many ways, but first you must answer the real question; Why would we want to? Why would we not? An Who enjoys playing with annoying toxic negative people? |
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Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
333
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:26:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying I'm sure I could think of many ways, but first you must answer the real question; Why would we want to? Why would we not? Really Who enjoys playing with annoying toxic negative people?
I do.
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
266
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:28:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote: However The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying
Biggest issue are people like this
To Be Me wrote:Ill tell you how to make it less annoying,..
BIOMASS YOuRSELF
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Please be posting with your main.
who are so numerous, they make meaningful discussion about anything pretty much impossible. And were the thing I was referring to by "retardedly annoying".
You can post longer posts than one line if you try. This is not IRC. In after the lock :P -á - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1720
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:30:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote: However The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying
Biggest issue are people like this To Be Me wrote:Ill tell you how to make it less annoying,..
BIOMASS YOuRSELF Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Please be posting with your main.
who are so numerous, they make meaningful discussion about anything pretty much impossible. And were the thing I was referring by "retardedly annoying". You can post longer posts than one line if you try. This is not IRC.
Oh, I said that because I watchlisted him, and wish to punish him for his incredibly stupid statements on the forum, in game via the destruction of his assets.
That's all. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Nyla Skin
Maximum fun chamber
266
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:31:00 -
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Thats fine, I blocked you too. In after the lock :P -á - CCP Falcon www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:40:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote: However The Question is So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying
Biggest issue are people like this To Be Me wrote:Ill tell you how to make it less annoying,..
BIOMASS YOuRSELF Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Please be posting with your main.
who are so numerous, they make meaningful discussion about anything pretty much impossible. And were the thing I was referring to by "retardedly annoying". You can post longer posts than one line if you try. This is not IRC. I do respect and admire your attention to details I will Garner support in game and out of game thru the test of time and we will be numerous as th stars in the sky those who make meaningful discussions and posts will be longer however I must keep it simple for now for the few who are mentally impaired.
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Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1720
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:43:00 -
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Nyla Skin wrote:Thats fine, I blocked you too.
Nice. Up to 17 now. 9 from in game, 8 from the forums. Although Harry Forever probably shouldn't count as he has about ten thousand people blocked. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Na Und
Galactronics
108
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:53:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. What a bizarre attempt at an insult.
Perhaps you have the good fortune of never having met one.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:54:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Thats fine, I blocked you too. Nice. Up to 17 now. 9 from in game, 8 from the forums. Although Harry Forever probably shouldn't count as he has about ten thousand people blocked. Did I Miss Something? Did someone get Blocked? Was it because someone got offended and Annoyed with someone else please elaborate Enquiring' minds want to know.
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Caladin Brood
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel's
5
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:02:00 -
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Sometimes, everything he posted in that topic are what make a game great and a few hours spent in it the highlight of your game week.
Nothing better than a gang of poor louts grieving the rich dude about how they was poor because his mom costs so much :P
Na in seriousness, the 1 problem with all them is inconvenience, if a game is convenient in the first place u shouldn't be playing it, it all about the fun |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1720
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:02:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Thats fine, I blocked you too. Nice. Up to 17 now. 9 from in game, 8 from the forums. Although Harry Forever probably shouldn't count as he has about ten thousand people blocked. Did I Miss Something? Did someone get Blocked? Was it because someone got offended and Annoyed with someone else please elaborate Enquiring' minds want to know.
I shall endeavor to elaborate.
I take it as a badge of honor, much like my (shamefully low at present) character bounty, to be blocked by people. I chalk that up as one more win, one more notch on the edge of my mousepad. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:18:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Thats fine, I blocked you too. Nice. Up to 17 now. 9 from in game, 8 from the forums. Although Harry Forever probably shouldn't count as he has about ten thousand people blocked. Did I Miss Something? Did someone get Blocked? Was it because someone got offended and Annoyed with someone else please elaborate Enquiring' minds want to know. I shall endeavor to elaborate. I take it as a badge of honor, much like my (shamefully low at present) character bounty, to be blocked by people. I chalk that up as one more win, one more notch on the edge of my mousepad. so I would assume you enjoy this? interesting seeing from your Perspective. Would You Pride yourself than being a Griefer ?Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:22:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. I enjoy it because I actually find it exciting when people get really mad at me. I love making people angry and just keep winding them up until they write full paragraph replies about what an awful human being I am. I find it hilarious and satisfying.
Oh god. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1720
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:34:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Thats fine, I blocked you too. Nice. Up to 17 now. 9 from in game, 8 from the forums. Although Harry Forever probably shouldn't count as he has about ten thousand people blocked. Did I Miss Something? Did someone get Blocked? Was it because someone got offended and Annoyed with someone else please elaborate Enquiring' minds want to know. I shall endeavor to elaborate. I take it as a badge of honor, much like my (shamefully low at present) character bounty, to be blocked by people. I chalk that up as one more win, one more notch on the edge of my mousepad. so I would assume you enjoy this? interesting seeing from your Perspective. Would You Pride yourself than being a Griefer ?Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so.
Yes, I enjoy it very much. Sometimes after a particularly good one I have trouble sleeping because I am laughing too hard.
I do take pride in this, yes. I consider myself to be reasonably good at it. I once camped someone for 14 straight hours in World of Warcraft, across 3 in game continents, and lately I seem to have made 2 of my favorite targets outright quit EVE in the last couple of weeks.
As for my motivation, I take delight in shattering the misconceptions of others about behavior in a videogame. Especially when they attempt to portray themselves as having some kind of "right" or entitlement to be "just left alone", in a massively multiplayer online game. I do not break the rules or the terms of service, I play within the game's rules, although I may toe the line now and again (and I have no less than 4 GM warnings across all of my EVE accounts to prove it).
But I don't "play fair". I have no code or sense of honor other than one I choose to adhere to. I won't bow to social pressure to behave how they want me to in a literally escapist medium. I also deride the concept that one is somehow "bad" for attacking others in a game if the rules permit them to do so. I come from Ultima Online, a game that left it up to the players do decide who is right and who is wrong at the point of a sword. A game where death is real, and where the victor takes his spoils from the battered corpses of the fallen. A game with player freedom.
I play EVE Online, as I choose to play it.
I am freedom. I am both cause and effect, I am why people watch their backs, and why you should read contracts carefully. I make carebears cry, and miners die.
I am a Griefer. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2005
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:36:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. I enjoy it because I actually find it exciting when people get really mad at me. I love making people angry and just keep winding them up until they write full paragraph replies about what an awful human being I am. I find it hilarious and satisfying.
I do it for the express purpose of annoying people enough that they get the urge to write whole whiny articles about me that then get laughed at by the entire online community. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:36:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. I enjoy it because I actually find it exciting when people get really mad at me. I love making people angry and just keep winding them up until they write full paragraph replies about what an awful human being I am. I find it hilarious and satisfying. I see people like you and me understand this However new players who dont understand this leave the game so the player base becomes stagnate CCP loses customers. of course grief and dystopia is what makes eve so unique however how do we keep the Grief and still Gain more Eve following? |

Dunpeal Hunter
Zervas Aeronautics The Unthinkables
26
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:36:00 -
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I find it annoying when i try to troll someone and that person trolls me back and together we have a really stupid conversation for like 10 minutes that makes no sense whatsoever to anyone, even to me or the other troll. I dont know if this is important or not, but i have chickens..... |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2005
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:38:00 -
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You're either the author of this article, which I doubt, or you're letting it tell you what's annoying, which you should be more than capable of figuring out for yourself. When you realise you're capable of figuring out for yourself what you find is annoying, you'll realise how redundant this article is, and subsequently, how whiny the person who wrote it must be. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1596
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:42:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Nyla Skin wrote:Thats fine, I blocked you too. Nice. Up to 17 now. 9 from in game, 8 from the forums. Although Harry Forever probably shouldn't count as he has about ten thousand people blocked.
I would never block you as you are the most entertaining hard-man - bonkers poster since the sad disappearance of the legendary Ladie Harlot.
Both of you trying so desperately hard to prove how tough you are, and both greatly entertaining.
Never stop posting  This is not a signature. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2005
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:42:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. I enjoy it because I actually find it exciting when people get really mad at me. I love making people angry and just keep winding them up until they write full paragraph replies about what an awful human being I am. I find it hilarious and satisfying. I see people like you and me understand this However new players who dont understand this leave the game so the player base becomes stagnate CCP loses customers. of course grief and dystopia is what makes eve so unique however how do we keep the Grief and still Gain more Eve following?
This is not true. As I have stated many times before on these forums, we were all new players once. We've all been through the meatgrinder that is the hazing stage of EVE Online, and we all came out the other side stronger for it, more bound in the community, wiser to the way of EVE Online. 10 year vets aren't 10 year vets cuz they had it easy, or because they quit. They are vets because they had it hard. Making it 'nicer' or 'less annoying' for new players does not foster the calibre of player that becomes a vet and sticks around for the long term.
No, the reason people quit is because they don't adapt to and learn their environment. EVE is social Darwinism at its finest - only the strongest will survive. The weak will quit, and you know what? That's fine by me. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
490
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:55:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I am a Griefer. I don't think this is really true. A true griefer has no motivation other than tear extraction, and not the funny "why you violence my boat" type tears. However you stated an actual motivation, which sounds more like an intense dislike of scrubs in particular. You even make sure to follow the rules. I don't think you're really a griefer. [img]http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php?r=*rnd*[/img] Desusigs can be seen on the terribad new forums using bbcode enabling script (scroll down to my post for sig rotation) |
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
525
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:58:00 -
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13/f/ca |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2007
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:13:00 -
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Let's start from the top, shall we. Aaron Birch's '25 most annoying things about online gamers' and why it's all irrelevant, and somewhat naive.
25. Gender Swappers
Welcome to the internet. If someone claims to be an astronaut or fighter pilot, or a dog, or Santa Claus, what you do is, you don't believe them. Why should it be any different if they claim they're a woman, or a man? It's not the person who's making the claim's fault if you believe them, it's your own for forgetting you're on the internet.
24. Clan players
This made me laugh. Yes, let's stop people from playing together just so that you can play in peace. The example he uses is GTA Online - I play that a lot. That video is of me and my 'clan', or 'crew', Nefarious Consortium. We're all EVE players. See, we're having fun, and sometimes we get our arses handed to us. Playing with a group of like-minded people makes it a thousand times more bearable... maybe the guy who wrote this article just needs a friend. This part of his article made me laugh, though:
"So, if you're a hardcore clan player in a lobby full of people just wanting to play the game, can you just leave us in peace?"
No, absolutely not. You enter a public lobby, you consent to public interaction, and that includes with any 'clans' that enter the same lobby. GTA isn't like EVE, you can go to your own private lobby.
23. Achievement hoarders
He contradicts himself here.
"Rather than play the game to simply enjoy it and unlocked rewards naturally" he says, prior to complaining that someone's not playing the game the way he thinks they should, and then goes on to say, "when a player on your team is more concerned with earning a rare achievement in an online game, causing you to lose", and I almost spat my coffee. It's almost like he's not playing the game to simply enjoy it himself, win or lose....
22. Bros
I don't know what he's complaining about here. I think it's another "I have no friends so no one else should either" whine. He should read some Tacitus, he could learn a lot about how to avoid expressing his jealousy so openly.
21. Bored experts
le sigh.... this whole article is rife with jealousy, basically. This is a classic example of "where did you get that? That's not fair, I want one too. Oh wow, that's going to take a long time, you must have no life outside this game to have accomplished that, what a loser", he announces, as he loses the game to a better prepared, more experienced player. As a matter of contention, I had a friend once who was a very avid gamer. Don't know him anymore, but he always came to every party we had, was very social, and he was also my GP at the time. He also had all the best stuff in Halo Reach. He was better than me at the game, much better, and he got that stuff in a quarter of the time that it took me. I dunno... getting the best stuff sometimes seems like it could take time, or skill. Maybe if this guy had some skill, he wouldn't be complaining about people around him who had the best stuff.
20. Spoilers
This is so ******* stupid I nearly tore my eyes out. I always play the campaign mode of a game through before I go to online. but here's the bottom line - when you go into the multiplayer of a game you haven't finished yet, why should you expect people not to have finished the single player and not to talk about it?
I could go on, I really could. I'm going to stop there, though, because I'm not in the mood for addressing this stupidity anymore. I think there are a few people that could probably pick up the slack here and address the next five or so. It's pretty easy, the guy who wrote this is your typical "y u no play game the way I say to?" player. If you can't see what's wrong with what he's complaining about, then you should really pay closer attention to the fact that online games are going to have other people with different trains of thought than you - you know, individual human beings, not sheep. You might find them annoying, and that's your prerogative, but if you can't find a way to deal with it rather than write a bitchy article about it, then that game, or its online segment, just probably isn't for you.
Disclaimer: I almost agreed with him on 14, children, but then I saw the reason he put there. "Shock horror! Foul language! Oh me oh my, what a paw wittle conservative intelligence vacuum I am!!" Kids shouldn't be playing mature games because their parents should be more responsible about what they're doing with their time - education first, play time second. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:25:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Its Important We would better understand Why People Annoy People and what motivates them to do so. I enjoy it because I actually find it exciting when people get really mad at me. I love making people angry and just keep winding them up until they write full paragraph replies about what an awful human being I am. I find it hilarious and satisfying. I see people like you and me understand this However new players who dont understand this leave the game so the player base becomes stagnate CCP loses customers. of course grief and dystopia is what makes eve so unique however how do we keep the Grief and still Gain more Eve following? This is not true. As I have stated many times before on these forums, we were all new players once. We've all been through the meatgrinder that is the hazing stage of EVE Online, and we all came out the other side stronger for it, more bound in the community, wiser to the way of EVE Online. 10 year vets aren't 10 year vets cuz they had it easy, or because they quit. They are vets because they had it hard. Making it 'nicer' or 'less annoying' for new players does not foster the calibre of player that becomes a vet and sticks around for the long term. No, the reason people quit is because they don't adapt to and learn their environment. EVE is social Darwinism at its finest - only the strongest will survive. The weak will quit, and you know what? That's fine by me. I agree The weak will Quit beacuse of the exasperation of the actions of Griefers that cause great irritation (or even anger) to them however what happens when a mocking or a hazing goes wrong is that fine where do we draw the line? Eve Online Council chairman may resign over harassment of suicidal player
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2007
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Posted - 2013.11.30 15:32:00 -
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That's not what I said at all. The weak will quit because they are weak. Everyone goes through the same thing. Don't know if you've noticed or not, but there are a tonne of people still playing after many years in the game that weren't weak.
And you cannot use a one-off incident as an example of regular day-to-day happenings in EVE Online to make a case. That's like asking should we let people keep flying after some jackass flies a plane into a building.
DISCLAIMER: not to be interpreted as me calling The Mittani a jackass or a terrorist... You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
751
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:11:00 -
[55] - Quote
Number 1 annoying thing about Eve players? Bad forum posts. |

SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
266
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:14:00 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Of course This thread Is Pointless Thats the point and I could Find more than 25 reasons why eve gamers can be annoying thats what makes it more the fun and I love my carebears and maybe the writer is a Feminist. However we all can agree this thread is a fact like it or not Oh God help us
26. Arbitrary mid-sentence capitalization of random words. |

CMD Ishikawa
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
41
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:43:00 -
[57] - Quote
The truth is that you can't make EVE community less annoying.
Trolls love trolling and as**oles will always be as**oles. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:43:00 -
[58] - Quote
1. Grammar ****
Someone who believes it's their duty to attempt to correct any grammar and/or spelling mistakes they observe. Usually found hanging around Irc chatrooms hounding "n00bs".
Stay On Topic So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying? |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:47:00 -
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CMD Ishikawa wrote:The truth is that you can't make EVE community less annoying.
Trolls love trolling and as**oles will always be as**oles. agreed!
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
266
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:48:00 -
[60] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:1. Grammar ****
Someone who believes it's their duty to attempt to correct any grammar and/or spelling mistakes they observe. Usually found hanging around Irc chatrooms hounding "n00bs".
Stay On Topic So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying?
Deleting whining **** posts like this one would be a huge start. There's very little that is annoying about the Eve community in general, but quasi-literate ****-posters who have been here for about five minutes and think they have something to contribute toward the "improvement" of the game are probably at the top of the list.
You're about the fifth one I've seen this morning. Just before I stumbled across this abortion of a thread, I was reading someone else's thoughts on how to improve wardecs, despite the fact that they had never so much as participated in one, and lacked even a rudimentary understanding of their mechanics.
Want to make the place less annoying? Banish everyone to Newbie Q&A until they've played for a year. |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2056
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Posted - 2013.11.30 16:48:00 -
[61] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:CMD Ishikawa wrote:The truth is that you can't make EVE community less annoying.
Trolls love trolling and as**oles will always be as**oles. agreed!  Disagree. It's only a game.
Oh god. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
706
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:01:00 -
[62] - Quote
That article was really bad, the author comes off as a weak and thin-skinned baby. You're actually doing the thin-skinned ignorant babies who agree with this list a giant favor by going out of your way to upset them. Desensitizing them to the reality of the worlds they choose to immerse themselves in is nothing less than a favor. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:08:00 -
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I agree A game it is, Its a Fun to be Annoying. from a gate camp to a sucide gank in high sec or just writing a awful forum and we can go on on with the long lists One Fact that will never change humans will never cease to an-+noy each other stay tuned for more annoying Forum Posts from me |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2009
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:20:00 -
[64] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:I agree A game it is, Its a Fun to be Annoying. from a gate camp to a sucide gank in high sec or just writing a awful forum and we can go on on with the long lists One Fact that will never change humans will never cease to an-+noy each other stay tuned for more annoying Forum Posts from me
You don't annoy us. What gave you that funny idea?
Please, keep posting. Every court needs its jesters. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:25:00 -
[65] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I agree A game it is, Its a Fun to be Annoying. from a gate camp to a sucide gank in high sec or just writing a awful forum and we can go on on with the long lists One Fact that will never change humans will never cease to an-+noy each other stay tuned for more annoying Forum Posts from me You don't annoy us. What gave you that funny idea? Please, keep posting. Every court needs its jesters. :)
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ElQuirko
Jester Syndicate WHY so Seri0Us
2692
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:30:00 -
[66] - Quote
"We're not talking a woman playing a male character in a game... [but where] guys pretend to be girls"
Huh. I don't gender-swap online myself but this does seem to smack of discrimination. Dodixie > Hek |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
320
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:32:00 -
[67] - Quote
lol the gender swapping thing really has hit a nerve. freelance space bum |

Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
525
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:34:00 -
[68] - Quote
This cis needs to check his privilege. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6521
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:35:00 -
[69] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. What a bizarre attempt at an insult. Sorry, I just find those guys detestable. They're just doing it for E-Peen points on Tumblr. Also this. And this. How detestable of us to want equal rights for everyone. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2058
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Posted - 2013.11.30 17:41:00 -
[70] - Quote
Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. Oh god. |
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Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
706
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:17:00 -
[71] - Quote
tumblr social justice warriors are terrible but not because they want things for people who don't have them. the author of that list is terrible for plenty of reasons, there's no need to imagine more. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:36:00 -
[72] - Quote
Coming To theEve general forums near you Transgenders In Eden stay tuned! |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6522
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:38:00 -
[73] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. You don't have to travel to the Middle East to find examples of gender inequality. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2013
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:40:00 -
[74] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. You don't have to travel to the Middle East to find examples of gender inequality.
No, you don't. You can go to a first-world feminist rally and virtually feel the misanthropy in the atmosphere. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2013
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:42:00 -
[75] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:Coming To theEve general forums near you Transgenders In Eden stay tuned! 
You're talking like they don't already play the game, and that it matters in some way or another. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2060
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:42:00 -
[76] - Quote
What kind of inequality are we talking about? Oh god. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
904
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:43:00 -
[77] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:tumblr social justice warriors are terrible but not because they want things for people who don't have them. the author of that list is terrible for plenty of reasons, there's no need to imagine more.
The worst thing about SJ warriors is they never seem to be a member of the group they're soapboxing for. Plenty of standard hetero male "check you cis privilege" warriors.
As a member of a group that seems to draw in the tumblr warriors, I'm really sorry. I'd stop them if I could, they're really embarrassing. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1598
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:48:00 -
[78] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay.
What myth about unequal pay?
Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:50:00 -
[79] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Yes, I believe that happened roughly 40 years ago. Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:53:00 -
[80] - Quote
oops I meant Geek Feminism for th next post I mean thats what you are discussing now right? I mean are you telling me theres actually woman replying to this forum honestly the ones who eve profiles are woman that are posting are you really a females? please answer honestly Im just curious raise your hands |
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Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3521
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:54:00 -
[81] - Quote
Quote:25. Gender swappers For a reason only a player's psychoanalyst could say, some gamers like to go online and play as the opposite sex. Not being honest about gender is a strange side effect of gaming. We're not talking a woman controlling a male character in a game (it's not like there's too much choice still) or a man navigating Lara Croft through Tomb Raider. No, it's in the likes of PlayStation Home. Even beyond that, in other online games, where in particular guys pretend to be girls, typing sexual comments and trying to hook up with men. To be clear, sexuality and gender identity aren't the issues here. It's that these interactions are rarely anything to do with legitimate advances, and are often simply mind games, or tricking the person they're talking to. Read more: http://www.denofgeek.com/games/28361/the-25-most-annoying-things-about-online-gamers#ixzz2m9lWZToR
As a member of The AMABMWWGA (Association of Middle Aged Black Men With White Girl Avatars) I protest #25. It's just not true.
Now, who wants to hook up with me for isk in the alley behind behind Jita 4-4?
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Valerius Anthar
Nuts Butts and EuroSluts
17
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:56:00 -
[82] - Quote
Sounds like this article would apply more to games like CoD or BF4 than a sandbox like Eve. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1598
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:56:00 -
[83] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Yes, I believe that happened roughly 40 years ago.
You believe incorrectly then. This is not a signature. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:57:00 -
[84] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 18:58:00 -
[85] - Quote
Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this. Oh god. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
3521
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me?
They have in this solcialist wonderland called EVE. My female corpmates get better ticks that I do in forsaken hubs. Therefore CCP should nerf (real) females. |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1598
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:01:00 -
[87] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.
Dear god almighty!
I'm outta here.
This is not a signature. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
320
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:03:00 -
[88] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.
Believe it or not there are women playing this game, i think there's even a chat channel for women of eve.
i doubt they post on the forums though. that would be like <1% of <10% of the player base, statistically.
EDIT: or the other way around. 'not many' is the point. freelance space bum |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17601
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:08:00 -
[89] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this. Right. So you're saying that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:12:00 -
[90] - Quote
Attractive people particularly women more likely to get a job than the unattractive thats a fact skill is irrelevant thats unequal ! |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:16:00 -
[91] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this. Right. So you're saying that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice. I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender.
Oh god. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17602
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:22:00 -
[92] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender. You're pretty much completely incorrect on both those points. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6523
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:22:00 -
[93] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:oops I meant Geek Feminism for th next post I mean thats what you are discussing now right? I mean are you telling me theres actually woman replying to this forum honestly the ones who eve profiles are woman that are posting are you really a females? please answer honestly Im just curious raise your hands I know of several women who play EVE. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2062
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:25:00 -
[94] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I'm saying that in the Western world, anyone who completes their education, leaves school and gets a career which they work hard at for 20 years will be earning the same salary regardless of their race or gender. You're pretty much completely incorrect on both those points. Compelling argument. Oh god. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
904
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:32:00 -
[95] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this.
Polite disagreement, fellow CODEling.
It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.
I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.
Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4455
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:34:00 -
[96] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really.
idk...I get paid pretty damn well tbh. I have no complaints. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2013
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:39:00 -
[97] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Right. So you're saying an employer will advertise a job with a different rate of pay depending on whether the applicant is male or female. Can't say I've witnessed this. Polite disagreement, fellow CODEling. It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list. I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me. Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world.
I can verify that this happens (the unequal pay part), but there's one misconception.
In what would be considered "men's jobs", more men get hired not because they don't want women, but because more men apply for those jobs.
In any case, this thread probably needs to be locked. It's both completely pointless and completely derailed. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:40:00 -
[98] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really. Believe it or not there are women playing this game, i think there's even a chat channel for women of eve. i doubt they post on the forums though. that would be like <1% of <10% of the player base, statistically. EDIT: or the other way around. 'not many' is the point. Why is that? How do we get more woman to play eve online and also post on forums or is that not a good idea kinda tricky when it comes to woman issues and gaming wouldnt you think?I really would like to know I just cant figure this one out.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2065
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:40:00 -
[99] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.
I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.
Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world. What you have shown is that in some smaller demographics, a gender pay-gap still exists due to discrimination. This doesn't reflect the whole business world, but tends to occur in smaller businesses. From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others. Oh god. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17602
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:43:00 -
[100] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Compelling argument. Certainly more than yours. But if you want to dig up statistics that show every report on the subject matter published in the last decade to be wrong, or that the last 10GÇô20% have really been slam shut in less than a year, then please do so.
Quote: From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others. So, again, what you're saying is that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2014
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:43:00 -
[101] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:It happens more along these lines: even with equal, and sometimes superior training and job skills, many employers will pick a male applicant over a female. This happens predominantly in career fields that people see as stereotypically "male" jobs. Somehow computer programming has ended up on the "boys" list.
I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.
Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world. What you have shown is that in some smaller demographics, a gender pay-gap still exists due to discrimination. This doesn't reflect the whole business world, but tends to occur in smaller businesses. From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others.
This is actually a very good point. While there is an equal pay issue between genders, it is not widespread, and women have the legal right and means to take individual action for themselves. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4460
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:48:00 -
[102] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:Skeln Thargensen wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Which is fine in places like the Middle East where women really have no rights and are treated like animals. Tumblr feminists tend to focus more on women in media and spouting myths about unequal pay. What myth about unequal pay? Have women finally achieved pay parity with men and no one told me? Good point! I would really would like also on this post a real womans point of view really. Believe it or not there are women playing this game, i think there's even a chat channel for women of eve. i doubt they post on the forums though. that would be like <1% of <10% of the player base, statistically. EDIT: or the other way around. 'not many' is the point. Why is that? How do we get more woman to play eve online and also post on forums or is that not a good idea kinda tricky when it comes to woman issues and gaming wouldnt you think?I really would like to know I just cant figure this one out.
there's been hundreds of threads about this.
how to get more of us to play? there is no simple answer. when I first started playing I didn't think I would stick with it long. but it grew on me. maybe eve could be more accessible. more engaging. less brainy and less macho. but if it weren't would it still be eve? I don't have an answer. not sure I even want more women around. I kind of like being a 5%er or whatever it is now. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6525
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:51:00 -
[103] - Quote
I don't deny that there are male feminists who do so for brownie points and don't actually care about equality. There are also feminists who completely misrepresent the issues, and others who are so radical and antagonistic they alienate potential supporters.
But there are also those who genuinely believe that there are important issues we still need to discuss and work on. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2014
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:52:00 -
[104] - Quote
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote: How do we get more woman to play eve online ...
there's been hundreds of threads about this. how to get more of us to play? there is no simple answer. when I first started playing I didn't think I would stick with it long. but it grew on me. maybe eve could be more accessible. more engaging. less brainy and less macho. but if it weren't would it still be eve? I don't have an answer. not sure I even want more women around. I kind of like being a 5%er or whatever it is now.
It's a redundant question in any case. You create a game for a target interest group, not a target gender. If the interest group happens to be predominantly male, then the game will have mostly male players, and vice versa. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
905
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:53:00 -
[105] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.
Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world.
What you have shown is that in some smaller demographics, a gender pay-gap still exists due to discrimination. This doesn't reflect the whole business world, but tends to occur in smaller businesses. From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others.
It's very, very difficult to prove such things, unless very blatant. Most people don't go back to rejected job applications, and ask "Hey, why didn't I get hired, and what credentials do the person you did hire hold?" In fact, the vast majority of companies will flat refuse to give you that sort of info, just because of the discrimination card.
And yeah, I agree, it's really not as widespread as before, but it does happen, too often IMHO. Here's a personal story.
Few years back when, I worked as a tech for a satellite TV company. Not a contractor, the actual company itself. In order to get promoted, you had to take on difficult installs and service calls. Said company had assigned metrics to all the work, and that's how they did promotions. The field manager was the one deciding who got what job.
Well, after a few months in, I noticed I was always getting super easy jobs that were worthless for points. I asked the field manager, and was told "Well, I don't want to give you any work you can't handle. Women lack the upper body strength needed to haul some of this gear onto a roof. Nothing personal."
Needless to say, when I complained, the discussion never happened. I was labeled as a "troublemaker", started getting assigned less jobs (less jobs=less hours). Ended up quitting not long after. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6525
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Posted - 2013.11.30 19:54:00 -
[106] - Quote
Na Und wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:That article is awful. The writer is probably a male feminist. What a bizarre attempt at an insult. Perhaps you have the good fortune of never having met one. I don't suppose I can say I've "met" myself EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:00:00 -
[107] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Compelling argument. Certainly more than yours. But if you want to dig up statistics that show every report on the subject matter published in the last decade to be wrong, or that the last 10GÇô20% of the gap (and I'm being very generous against many western countries here) have really been slam shut in less than a year, then please do so. Quote: From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others. So, again, what you're saying is that you aren't familiar with how unequal pay plays out in practice. statistics irelevant its the pretty girls who move up the corp ladder in eve or in the real world or virtual thats a fact unfortunte for the girl who is skilled and can do th job better corps dont recruit or hire smart people because they are a threat so they will recruit the dumb blonde in that mini thats how it works. Woman are aware of that and some use that to there advantage not all most become victims of discrimination or violation of there rights. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6526
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:02:00 -
[108] - Quote
I think you're just proving his point. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2071
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:07:00 -
[109] - Quote
Tippia wrote:the last 10GÇô20% of the gap Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? If it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily indicate discrimination. More evidence would need to be provided to make that assessment. In all likelihood, it's due to a difference in lifestyle choices between average men and women.
Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:08:00 -
[110] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:I don't deny that there are male feminists who do so for brownie points and don't actually care about equality. There are also feminists who completely misrepresent the issues, and others who are so radical and antagonistic they alienate potential supporters.
But there are also those who genuinely believe that there are important issues we still need to discuss and work on. Good Point. |
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4461
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:08:00 -
[111] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:statistics irelevant its the pretty girls who move up the corp ladder in eve or in the real world or virtual thats a fact unfortunte for the girl who is skilled and can do th job better corps dont recruit or hire smart people because they are a threat so they will recruit the dumb blonde in that mini thats how it works. Woman are aware of that and some use that to there advantage not all most become victims of discrimination or violation of there rights.
sooo...errrhm. what? are you implying a woman can't be attractive and intelligent? I think that's a bit stereotypical lol to say the least. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17602
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:11:00 -
[112] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? For most, it's just he former and then there are structural inequalities on top of that. For a select few, it's a combination of both. Either way, the myth is itself a myth, probably born out of people believing that it's just a matter of choice.
If I wanted to talk about averages, I would have said 20GÇô40% insteadGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2071
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:11:00 -
[113] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:. I'm not going to deny that discrimination exists. Of course it does and it always will, but laws are in place to prevent that. If those laws aren't doing what they're meant to do, we need to assess why. You say it's very difficult to prove and I believe you're right about that, so it would seem the problem lies with the courts and the methods with which the laws are enforced. It also indicates that perhaps people need to be more aware of what their rights are and when they are being violated.
Oh god. |

Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
17602
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:14:00 -
[114] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:I'm not going to deny that discrimination exists. Of course it does and it always will, but laws are in place to prevent that. If those laws aren't doing what they're meant to do, we need to assess why. You say it's very difficult to prove and I believe you're right about that, so it would seem the problem lies with the courts and the methods with which the laws are enforced. It also indicates that perhaps people need to be more aware of what their rights are and when they are being violated.
GǪand what you're effectively saying GÇö GÇ£it doesn't exist because [laws]GÇ¥ GÇö is why I'm jumping to the conclusion that you're not familiar with how it plays out in practice. Dismissing the facts as myth because those facts shouldn't exist is pretty na+»ve.  GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan 2.0. |

Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:16:00 -
[115] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote: Why is that? How do we get more woman to play eve online and also post on forums or is that not a good idea kinda tricky when it comes to woman issues and gaming wouldnt you think?I really would like to know I just cant figure this one out.
possibly threads that go off on tangents like this don't help, i don't know... freelance space bum |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:20:00 -
[116] - Quote
Tippia wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? For most, it's just he former and then there are structural inequalities on top of that. For a select few, it's a combination of both. Either way, the myth is itself a myth, probably born out of people believing that it's just a matter of choice. If I wanted to talk about averages, I would have said 20GÇô40% insteadGǪ I see. I find it interesting that women are, on average, 20-40% cheaper to employ, and yet shrewd businessmen are not capitalising on that by firing all their male workers and employing women instead. I guess the discrimination really runs that deep.
Oh god. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:22:00 -
[117] - Quote
Tippia wrote:and what you're effectively saying GÇö GÇ£it doesn't exist because [laws]GÇ¥ GÇö is why I'm jumping to the conclusion that you're not familiar with how it plays out in practice. Dismissing the facts as myth because those facts shouldn't exist is pretty na+»ve.  That's not what I said. I said laws have been made to protect people and if they're not working, we need to assess why.
Oh god. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6527
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:22:00 -
[118] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:If those laws aren't doing what they're meant to do, we need to assess why. It's not just about law. It's about social attitudes and norms. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
4
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:22:00 -
[119] - Quote
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:statistics irelevant its the pretty girls who move up the corp ladder in eve or in the real world or virtual thats a fact unfortunte for the girl who is skilled and can do th job better corps dont recruit or hire smart people because they are a threat so they will recruit the dumb blonde in that mini thats how it works. Woman are aware of that and some use that to there advantage not all most become victims of discrimination or violation of there rights. sooo...errrhm. what? are you implying a woman can't be attractive and intelligent? I think that's a bit stereotypical lol to say the least. not at all I would hire the attractive and intelligent over the dumb blonde anyday I and my corp would never feel threaten with a asset like that i was just stating how the real works though to there demise.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6527
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:32:00 -
[120] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Tippia wrote:the last 10GÇô20% of the gap Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? If it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily indicate discrimination. More evidence would need to be provided to make that assessment. In all likelihood, it's due to a difference in lifestyle choices between average men and women. Gee it's almost as if those who do studies know how to control for different factors. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2018
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:41:00 -
[121] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote: I've had a few jobs where, on doing a little investigation, I've found that I was the lowest paid member on the team. The "off the record" reason given was, if I didn't pan out in the stereotypically "male" position, the company wouldn't be wasting as much money on me.
Some employers will also pay a woman less operating on the assumption that "She'll get pregnant and have to take time off". You honestly see most of this happen in the "small-business" world.
What you have shown is that in some smaller demographics, a gender pay-gap still exists due to discrimination. This doesn't reflect the whole business world, but tends to occur in smaller businesses. From your description, I could only guess the reason this discrimination exists is because women in positions such as yours aren't aware of their rights and are not pursuing legal action when their rights have been violated. In your case, where you claim to have found evidence, I certainly hope you sought legal advice to help prevent this from happening to others. It's very, very difficult to prove such things, unless very blatant.
Bank statements? You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:45:00 -
[122] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Gee it's almost as if those who do studies know how to control for different factors. Yes, like when the earnings of economics majors are compared with the earnings of sociology majors because they're basically the same thing, I guess. Oh god. |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2018
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:49:00 -
[123] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Tippia wrote:the last 10GÇô20% of the gap Is this a 10-20% gap in specific jobs where males and females are equally educated, have equal experience and working equal hours, or is this gap just a general statistic about average male wages vs average female wages? If it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily indicate discrimination. More evidence would need to be provided to make that assessment. In all likelihood, it's due to a difference in lifestyle choices between average men and women. Gee it's almost as if those who do studies know how to control for different factors.
They do. The more recent studies coming out are showing a trending drop in occupational inequality. Not studies from 1994-2004, recent ones from last year and the year before.
I've noticed a feminist influence creeping into Wikipedia lately, and the article there in occupational inequality is referencing some very out of date studies. I think it's safe to assume that you might be only privy to some very out of date studies yourself. Honestly, I'm no trying to insult you or troll you, but I think whatever the source of your facts is, it is most likely very wrong now. Maybe it was right then, but it's probably wrong now.
Occupational inequality still exists, but not on a wide scale, and not so much as a result of occupational segregation as it once was. And there are, indeed, legal means available to anyone who is subjected to occupational inequality, including men. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6528
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Posted - 2013.11.30 20:56:00 -
[124] - Quote
Pay inequality is only a very small part of a larger and significantly more complex issue. Sure there's progress being made, but that doesn't mean our work is done. Not by far. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2073
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:03:00 -
[125] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pay inequality is only a very small part of a larger and significantly more complex issue. Sure there's progress being made, but that doesn't mean our work is done. Not by far. Feminism is a positive influence on global society and I admire your commitment to supporting that.
Oh god. |

Maldiro Selkurk
CHEMO IMMUNO RESISTANT VIRUS type X
98
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:10:00 -
[126] - Quote
constant pleas to nerf the game playing style of other players to benefit the plaintiff. Yawn,-á I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6528
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:11:00 -
[127] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Pay inequality is only a very small part of a larger and significantly more complex issue. Sure there's progress being made, but that doesn't mean our work is done. Not by far. Feminism is a positive influence on global society and I admire your commitment to supporting that. To be honest I'm not quite the advocate I could be. Most of my energy goes into self improvement. But I do like to debate and educate on the issues involved.
I don't champion feminism in of itself. It's just one of several movements for social equality that I support. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Captain Tardbar
Sons of Sam
751
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Posted - 2013.11.30 21:48:00 -
[128] - Quote
Quote:1. Griefers
Arguably this class of player, which tops our list, could encapsulate everything here, but the thing about griefers is that they have no real agenda or tactic other than to make your life hell, and they'll do anything to do so, as if they have a condition that makes them want to be idiots, and an unexplainable hatred for you. Even scores, kill counts or any reward means nothing to these morons, who will even sacrifice themselves to cause you grief.
This totally unreasonable, childish and downright ridiculous behaviour is enough to make normal gamers shun multiplayer completely, and much like online forums, there's an ever growing presence of them, and all they want is to irritate and get a rise out of people, only in games they can do that in a way that doesn't require knowledge of the English language, something that's all too noticeable in forums.
There's simply no reasoning with them or explanation for their actions - all you can do is ignore them, or leave the game. Whatever you do, though, never fuel them by rising to their provocations, it's just like lighting a match in a room full of fireworks. You'll find griefers in almost every game, from CoD to Minecraft.
Sounds about right. "Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby". If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down. Captain Tardbar: The official grumpy cat of General Discussion. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6531
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Posted - 2013.11.30 23:08:00 -
[129] - Quote
Regarding the gender bender thing: I have female characters. Lots of guys do. I don't think that qualifies because they're not trying to make other people think they're actually female. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Bronto Scorpio
72
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Posted - 2013.11.30 23:15:00 -
[130] - Quote
That list was full of such butthurt at many things
I did like the Offspring reference though ^_^ |
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
908
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Posted - 2013.11.30 23:32:00 -
[131] - Quote
Bronto Scorpio wrote:That list was full of such butthurt, it also seemed like he challenged himself to see how many times he can mention GTA Online
I did like the Offspring reference though ^_^
Honestly, it's all about the drive to feel superior to another group of humans. We used to be a lot more blatant in the past with things like racism and such.
Now it's a little more covert. "Look at all these social justice things I'm being offended by. I'm a better person than you because I care so much about the poor oppressed (group). Obviously they need my superior assistance with their issues, seeing as how they can't handle it themselves, being all inferior and stuff." The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1729
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Posted - 2013.12.01 00:29:00 -
[132] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Bronto Scorpio wrote:That list was full of such butthurt, it also seemed like he challenged himself to see how many times he can mention GTA Online
I did like the Offspring reference though ^_^ Honestly, it's all about the drive to feel superior to another group of humans. We used to be a lot more blatant in the past with things like racism and such. Now it's a little more covert. "Look at all these social justice things I'm being offended by. I'm a better person than you because I care so much about the poor oppressed (group). Obviously they need my superior assistance with their issues, seeing as how they can't handle it themselves, being all inferior and stuff."
This. The only place I've actually found casual racism in real life is at the hands of the people who call it out in everyone but themselves.
And as for this thread devolving into feminism... I believe I shall abstain this time. Being in the military at present, it's somewhat skewed in the exact opposite direction that most would believe, and I do not think I am objective on the issue any longer. So o7 on that one. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6533
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Posted - 2013.12.01 00:36:00 -
[133] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Bronto Scorpio wrote:That list was full of such butthurt, it also seemed like he challenged himself to see how many times he can mention GTA Online
I did like the Offspring reference though ^_^ Honestly, it's all about the drive to feel superior to another group of humans. We used to be a lot more blatant in the past with things like racism and such. Now it's a little more covert. "Look at all these social justice things I'm being offended by. I'm a better person than you because I care so much about the poor oppressed (group). Obviously they need my superior assistance with their issues, seeing as how they can't handle it themselves, being all inferior and stuff." This. The only place I've actually found casual racism in real life is at the hands of the people who call it out in everyone but themselves. Curious to hear your reasoning on that.
EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1729
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Posted - 2013.12.01 00:45:00 -
[134] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Bronto Scorpio wrote:That list was full of such butthurt, it also seemed like he challenged himself to see how many times he can mention GTA Online
I did like the Offspring reference though ^_^ Honestly, it's all about the drive to feel superior to another group of humans. We used to be a lot more blatant in the past with things like racism and such. Now it's a little more covert. "Look at all these social justice things I'm being offended by. I'm a better person than you because I care so much about the poor oppressed (group). Obviously they need my superior assistance with their issues, seeing as how they can't handle it themselves, being all inferior and stuff." This. The only place I've actually found casual racism in real life is at the hands of the people who call it out in everyone but themselves. Curious to hear your reasoning on that.
Well, I view "casual" racism as being the kind that isn't torches and pitchforks, or yelling about it on TV or other random crap like that. It's passive, not active.
And typically the people complaining about it that I have ever encountered are people who, by virtue of their attitude, are casual racists themselves. Mostly because the pervading view amongst quite a few establishments is that by saying things like "I can't stand racism" allows you to claim the moral high ground.
Basically they are like the Prius drivers of racial societal relations. They don't do it because it's the "right" thing to do, they do it because it makes them feel intellectually superior to a group of people they've probably never actually encountered. (sound familiar?) It's emotional fluffing for them, not any kind of genuine morality.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Na Und
Galactronics
110
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Posted - 2013.12.01 01:03:00 -
[135] - Quote
Hey James, here's a link for you. Please take the time to read it.
An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity in Wages Between Men and Women.
There will be a quiz on Friday. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1729
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 01:13:00 -
[136] - Quote
So they have 3 times as many workers in part time jobs, 3-4 times as many do not work, and there is a approx. 7% gap in Bachelor's and below in college education in favor of the female?
Good Lord, that actually paints the disparity in favor the female, when those factors are taken into account. Individual experiences may vary. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
909
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 01:54:00 -
[137] - Quote
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So they have 3 times as many workers in part time jobs, 3-4 times as many do not work, and there is a approx. 7% gap in Bachelor's and below in college education in favor of the female? Good Lord, that actually paints the disparity to favor the female, when those factors are taken into account. Individual experiences may vary.
It's a damn complex issue for sure, and not something you can really break down into nice simple forum posts. It does a disservice to just take a stance, stick fingers in ears, and go "nah nah I'm right you're wrong!".
We haven't even touched on how protected class laws actually put protected classes at a disadvantage when it comes to hiring and promotion. Simply put, if there's legal risk in hiring one group of people over another, then it's just good business to hire the unprotected group, and not expose your company to risk. Example, James and Janet both apply to a position. There's a non-zero chance that, sometime during her employment, Janet may bring a discrimination lawsuit against the company. Hire James, he's safer.
To keep this somewhat Eve relevant, I find the whole "all females are males" thing extremely annoying. I can't just say "I'm a woman playing Eve". I'm expected to go out of my way to verify my gender, else I'm just assumed to be Guy In Real Life. Flipside, guys get really, really pissed off when you do the inverse, and just assume them to be female unless proven otherwise. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1731
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:04:00 -
[138] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So they have 3 times as many workers in part time jobs, 3-4 times as many do not work, and there is a approx. 7% gap in Bachelor's and below in college education in favor of the female? Good Lord, that actually paints the disparity to favor the female, when those factors are taken into account. Individual experiences may vary. It's a damn complex issue for sure, and not something you can really break down into nice simple forum posts. It does a disservice to just take a stance, stick fingers in ears, and go "nah nah I'm right you're wrong!". We haven't even touched on how protected class laws actually put protected classes at a disadvantage when it comes to hiring and promotion. Simply put, if there's legal risk in hiring one group of people over another, then it's just good business to hire the unprotected group, and not expose your company to risk. Example, James and Janet both apply to a position. There's a non-zero chance that, sometime during her employment, Janet may bring a discrimination lawsuit against the company. Hire James, he's safer. To keep this somewhat Eve relevant, I find the whole "all females are males" thing extremely annoying. I can't just say "I'm a woman playing Eve". I'm expected to go out of my way to verify my gender, else I'm just assumed to be Guy In Real Life. Flipside, guys get really, really pissed off when you do the inverse, and just assume them to be female unless proven otherwise.
Heh, and I know you will get this reference, but the protected class thing is on full display in the military. I know you haven't been in for a little while, but in the last couple of years especially, it's getting worse.
And as for the G.I.R.L. issue. Idk. I can't say that I've ever really been upset about being assumed to be female when playing a female character. Haven't seen that many instances of it in others, either. I'd say about 50/50.
But as to the assumption itself. Speaking as a man, I myself simply go with the most likely assumption. And given my own and other's previous interactions online, it's often both safer and easier to assume I am speaking to a male until proven otherwise. And if proven wrong, I am happy to accept that, shift you into the correct mental category, and move on. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6535
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:09:00 -
[139] - Quote
Your willingness to believe that a single study disproves decades of studies in gender disparities is pretty telling. I'll get to the actual study later. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1731
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:15:00 -
[140] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Your willingness to believe that a single study disproves decades of studies in gender disparities is pretty telling. I'll get to the actual study later.
"disproves"? Hardly, and I said no such thing.
I said that the results they showed indicate that something besides what is assumed to be norm, is actually the case. Unlike a great deal of the "decades of gender studies", the neutrality of the Department of Labor is fairly easily established, as well.
Oh, and my "results my vary" comment went over your head, I believe. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
4473
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Posted - 2013.12.01 02:18:00 -
[141] - Quote
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:To keep this somewhat Eve relevant, I find the whole "all females are males" thing extremely annoying. I can't just say "I'm a woman playing Eve". I'm expected to go out of my way to verify my gender, else I'm just assumed to be Guy In Real Life. Flipside, guys get really, really pissed off when you do the inverse, and just assume them to be female unless proven otherwise.
I have long since ceased to care if some random fellow or fellows on a video game or forum or any other electronic media believe I am a woman or not. if someone asks for my gender, i'll provide that information. what they do with it in their minds from there is totally on them. matters not to me one bit. just because so and so from such and such game doesn't believe when I tell them doesn't mean I magically grow a *****.
however, not to give too much credit to doubters...if I saw someone named lady areola fappington claiming to be a woman even someone as easy going and uncaring about such things as myself might raise an eyebrow.  |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6536
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:21:00 -
[142] - Quote
I misunderstood you then. I thought you were implying that the study demonstrated that the disparity favors women. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1732
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:29:00 -
[143] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Your willingness to believe that a single study disproves decades of studies in gender disparities is pretty telling. I'll get to the actual study later. "disproves"? Hardly, and I said no such thing. I said that the results they showed indicate that something besides what is assumed to be norm, is actually the case. Unlike a great deal of the "decades of gender studies", the neutrality of the Department of Labor is fairly easily established, as well. Oh, and my "results my vary" comment went over your head, I believe. I misunderstood you then. I thought you were implying that the study demonstrated that the disparity favors women.
No, I said that the educational one certainly does for the majority of the workforce below a Masters' level of education. And that it's fairly apparent.
However, the data involved is... very interesting to say the least. The percentages of time worked for overtime pay at the very least goes a long way to explaining the common knowledge of the supposed disparity.
I take nothing as fact merely because someone says so emphatically. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6537
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:38:00 -
[144] - Quote
Well yes, there are now more women getting bachelor's degrees than men. Why that is is particularly difficult to say. I hold certain opinions that make me rather unpopular with certain feminists. I'm certainly not one to say that disparities are entirely one-sided. Very rarely is that actually the case. For example, there are certainly disparities with regards to things like family courts awarding child custody almost exclusively to women. There are also very significant numbers of feminists who believe that domestic violence, ****, etc. are problems that only women face - attitudes which are particularly damaging to male victims of these crimes ("men can't be raped", "men always want it", "men are physically stronger so they can't be victims of abuse", etc.). EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Gealbhan
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
488
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:39:00 -
[145] - Quote
That article is about as useful as **** on a boar hog.  |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
710
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:49:00 -
[146] - Quote
gender studies isn't scientific at all and its hilarious that people regard it as legitimate as real sciences but i digress, this is an awful discussion and you should all stop talking about stupid **** like this. Go register on Something Awful and post like a ****** in the E/N femninsm forums if you want to wax poetic about your poor social struggles. This thread is about a moron who is offended by literally every single gamer subculture. Mock him. SHut up about gender/feminism issues. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
1732
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:50:00 -
[147] - Quote
Quote:Why that is is particularly difficult to say.
No, it isn't. I worked in a college in a number of positions for quite a while.
They have over-emphasized incentives to minority groups, of which women are considered one. This has resulted in turning the disparity on it's head. But you can spin it upside down and it's still a disparity. And idk where I heard it but someone told a long time ago that 2 wrongs don't make a right.
Quote:For example, there are certainly disparities with regards to things like family courts awarding child custody almost exclusively to women.
This is actually symptomatic of a very problematic societal issue. Equal treatment under the law is no longer a reasonable assumption. It is not easy to describe how incredibly bad this is. Not to mention that the perception of it creates resentment that is actually justified.
Quote:There are also very significant numbers of feminists who believe that domestic violence, ****, etc. are problems that only women face - attitudes which are particularly damaging to male victims of these crimes ("men can't be raped", "men always want it", "men are physically stronger so they can't be victims of abuse", etc.).
You may be unaware of this, but in the United States there is almost no legal definition by which a woman can **** a man. The legal term is Forcible Envelopment, and is legally distinct from **** as a crime, both in terms of sentencing and in statistical accounting as such. It has served to skew the entire debate toward "women's issues", effectively marginalizing a considerable portion of the population in the discussion.
Which goes back to the whole "equal treatment" thing no longer being an assumption one can reasonably make when a female is involved. It is both reasonable and intelligent to assume one will in fact, not be treated fairly in any legal situation involving a female. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6538
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 02:51:00 -
[148] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:gender studies isn't scientific at all and its hilarious that people regard it as legitimate as real sciences but i digress, this is an awful discussion and you should all stop talking about stupid **** like this. Go register on Something Awful and post like a ****** in the E/N femninsm forums if you want to wax poetic about your poor social struggles. This thread is about a moron who is offended by literally every single gamer subculture. Mock him. SHut up about gender/feminism issues. Nobody called it a science (that I know of). Nobody cares that you think it's stupid either. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2021
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 03:03:00 -
[149] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:gender studies isn't scientific at all and its hilarious that people regard it as legitimate as real sciences but i digress, this is an awful discussion and you should all stop talking about stupid **** like this. Go register on Something Awful and post like a ****** in the E/N femninsm forums if you want to wax poetic about your poor social struggles. This thread is about a moron who is offended by literally every single gamer subculture. Mock him. SHut up about gender/feminism issues.
The day I take lessons from someone with such poor syntax on what is and isn't science is the day I'll register in that spergepit the SA forums. Until then, I'll get my education from experts with more than 500 citations per paper to their name. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
711
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 04:53:00 -
[150] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:gender studies isn't scientific at all and its hilarious that people regard it as legitimate as real sciences but i digress, this is an awful discussion and you should all stop talking about stupid **** like this. Go register on Something Awful and post like a ****** in the E/N femninsm forums if you want to wax poetic about your poor social struggles. This thread is about a moron who is offended by literally every single gamer subculture. Mock him. SHut up about gender/feminism issues. The day I take lessons from someone with such poor syntax on what is and isn't science is the day I'll register in that spergepit the SA forums. Until then, I'll get my education from experts with more than 500 citations per paper to their name. you'd actually fit right in hth |
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2021
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 07:48:00 -
[151] - Quote
Proletariat Tingtango wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:gender studies isn't scientific at all and its hilarious that people regard it as legitimate as real sciences but i digress, this is an awful discussion and you should all stop talking about stupid **** like this. Go register on Something Awful and post like a ****** in the E/N femninsm forums if you want to wax poetic about your poor social struggles. This thread is about a moron who is offended by literally every single gamer subculture. Mock him. SHut up about gender/feminism issues. The day I take lessons from someone with such poor syntax on what is and isn't science is the day I'll register in that spergepit the SA forums. Until then, I'll get my education from experts with more than 500 citations per paper to their name. you'd actually fit right in hth
Not likely. I've perused SA already, 'lurked' as they call it. I couldn't find one forum of interest that wasn't already available in a much better quality somewhere else. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 08:29:00 -
[152] - Quote
We all are Gamers here right? So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying. Im cu-+ri-+ous my Enquiring Mind Needs To Know!
Dont be a victim Just say no
1. Thread Hijacking
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.
Stay on topic Here is The 26 catagories of discussion.
1. Griefers 2. Spawn killers 3.. Cheats 4. Bad language 5. Poor winners 6. Poor losers 7. Rage quitters 8. Happy campers 9. Backstabbers 10. Noobs 11. Singers 12. Glitchers 13. Pretty fly (for a white guy) 14. Children 15. Elit3 p14y3r5 16. Millionaires 17. Overly-attached friends 18. Laggers 19. Farmers 20. Spoilers 21. Bored experts 22. Bros 23. Achievement hoarders 24. Clan players 24. Clan players 26. Trolls
Please do tell me your annoying stories I do really wanna know. ( Lets keep it Eve online related or Gaming in General ) |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 08:47:00 -
[153] - Quote
Gealbhan wrote:That article is about as useful as **** on a boar hog.  agreed than is why we must take all of the annoying eve gamers round them up and and put them on a firing squad of super Caps dont worry my friend I have a longlife plan to rid of these worthless insects.
Dont be a victim Just say no
1. Thread Hijacking
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.
Stay on topic  |

Josef Djugashvilis
Acme Mining Corporation
1599
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 08:55:00 -
[154] - Quote
I like the part where the report says that the wage disparity is ...just 21.5%...
I can just imagine if the pay gap favoured women, men saying, well that's all right then, things are getting better, no need to push for more equality now... This is not a signature. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:00:00 -
[155] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I like the part where the report says that the wage disparity is ...just 21.5%... I can just imagine if the pay gap favoured women, men saying, well that's all right then, things are getting better, no need to push for more equality now... We all are Gamers here right? So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying. Im cu-+ri-+ous my Enquiring Mind Needs To Know!
Dont be a victim Just say no
1. Thread Hijacking
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.
Stay on topic Here is The 26 catagories of discussion.
1. Griefers 2. Spawn killers 3.. Cheats 4. Bad language 5. Poor winners 6. Poor losers 7. Rage quitters 8. Happy campers 9. Backstabbers 10. Noobs 11. Singers 12. Glitchers 13. Pretty fly (for a white guy) 14. Children 15. Elit3 p14y3r5 16. Millionaires 17. Overly-attached friends 18. Laggers 19. Farmers 20. Spoilers 21. Bored experts 22. Bros 23. Achievement hoarders 24. Clan players 24. Clan players 26. Trolls
Please do tell me your annoying stories I do really wanna know. ( Lets keep it Eve online related or Gaming in General ) |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2078
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:05:00 -
[156] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I like the part where the report says that the wage disparity is ...just 21.5%... I can just imagine if the pay gap favoured women, men saying, well that's all right then, things are getting better, no need to push for more equality now... So you're saying equality can only be achieved when part time workers and people in lower paying fields can earn as much as full time workers and people in higher paying fields. That's not equality, it's the exact opposite.
Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:09:00 -
[157] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:I like the part where the report says that the wage disparity is ...just 21.5%... I can just imagine if the pay gap favoured women, men saying, well that's all right then, things are getting better, no need to push for more equality now... So you're saying equality can only be achieved when part time workers and people in lower paying fields can earn as much as full time workers and people in higher paying fields. That's not equality, it's the exact opposite. 1. Counter-Troll A counter-troll is someone versed in the art of disarming an online troll, usually by out-witting, out-exasperating, or purposefully failing to be antagonized by the troll's actions.
These actions are different from feeding the troll as the latter involves giving the troll ammunition and sating its hunger for chaos and bedlam, whereas counter-trolling involves responding to the troll in a manner that leaves him/her with nowhere to go in terms of antagonistic actions, and will likely deter him/her from further trolling.
Note: Counter-Trolling must be done very carefully, as a desperate troll won't understand what's going on and resort to general pandemonium, resulting in combustion, turning the troll into a flamer. TROLL: Counter-trolls are gay. COUNTER-TROLL: ...and? TROLL: That means you like it up the ass. COUNTER-TROLL: ...and? TROLL: That means you have a boyfriend you ******. COUNTER-TROLL: ...and? TROLL: ... TROLL: **** you. *TROLL has signed off* COUNTER-TROLL: Awesome, now I can wrap up my activity here in peace and quiet, go home, and sleep with my wife.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2078
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:12:00 -
[158] - Quote
Can we keep your homophobic attitudes off this forum please? It's disruptive. Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:20:00 -
[159] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Can we keep your homophobic attitudes off this forum please? It's disruptive. Homophobic attitudes are not the topic please keep on topic on my forum thank you Riot Girl If you dont like it go post your own Thread Thank you
We all are Gamers here right? So How can we Make Eve Online Gaming community less Annoying. Im cu-+ri-+ous my Enquiring Mind Needs To Know! The 25 Most Annoying Things About Online Gamers
Dont be a victim Just say no
1. Thread Hijacking
When a person starts a posting on a message board, or forum, or Facebook, that others are able to comment on, that original posting and the comments on it are called a thread. A thread hijacking occurs when one or more individuals commenting on the original posting, go off topic, creating a separate conversation. This is rude, and bad internet etiquette. If people want to discuss a different topic, they should start their own thread.
Stay on topic Here is The 26 catagories of discussion.
1. Griefers 2. Spawn killers 3.. Cheats 4. Bad language 5. Poor winners 6. Poor losers 7. Rage quitters 8. Happy campers 9. Backstabbers 10. Noobs 11. Singers 12. Glitchers 13. Pretty fly (for a white guy) 14. Children 15. Elit3 p14y3r5 16. Millionaires 17. Overly-attached friends 18. Laggers 19. Farmers 20. Spoilers 21. Bored experts 22. Bros 23. Achievement hoarders 24. Clan players 24. Clan players 26. Trolls
Please do tell me your annoying stories I do really wanna know. ( Lets keep it Eve online related or Gaming in General ) |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6552
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:26:00 -
[160] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:So you're saying equality can only be achieved when part time workers and people in lower paying fields can earn as much as full time workers and people in higher paying fields. That's not equality, it's the exact opposite.
You're being disingenuous. Those factors don't account for all (and probably not even most) of the disparity. If they did, controlling for these factors should cause the gap to disappear. But it doesn't. It also fails to investigate (unless I missed it, but you can't seriously expect me to read the entire 95 page report) why women are more likely to take part-time jobs or work in lower paying fields. This might be tied to discrimination. It might not be.
I would also like to point out once again that even if there weren't a wage gap, we're still only talking about a very small part of the larger issue. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2078
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:36:00 -
[161] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:If they did, controlling for these factors should cause the gap to disappear. When fair comparisons are made, the wage-gap is close to non-existent. There are a few cents difference, but it's not much.
Quote:But it doesn't. It also fails to investigate why women are more likely to take part-time jobs or work in lower paying fields. This might be tied to discrimination. It might not be. I didn't read the report either but I've read other reports on the subject. It seems women tend to do part time work more than men as they choose to have families and raise children (there is also the matter of there being more single parent females than males). In college, women have a tendency to study for lower paying fields, such as the Economics/sociology comparison I made earlier. Both subjects are lumped together under 'Social Sciences" by the AAUW, yet Economics majors (2/3 male) earn 70k/year, while Sociology majors (2/3 female) earn 40k/year. Why are these two groups being compared?
Also, as a note, the report that says the wage-gap has closed to a few cents is written by the AAUW themselves. They maintain that the wage gap is still extremely prevalent, while publishing research which contradicts themselves. Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:44:00 -
[162] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:Riot Girl wrote:So you're saying equality can only be achieved when part time workers and people in lower paying fields can earn as much as full time workers and people in higher paying fields. That's not equality, it's the exact opposite.
You're being disingenuous. Those factors don't account for all (and probably not even most) of the disparity. If they did, controlling for these factors should cause the gap to disappear. But it doesn't. It also fails to investigate (unless I missed it, but you can't seriously expect me to read the entire 95 page report) why women are more likely to take part-time jobs or work in lower paying fields. This might be tied to discrimination. It might not be. I would also like to point out once again that even if there weren't a wage gap, we're still only talking about a very small part of the larger issue. I do find gate camps annoying however instead of rage quitting counter it I found this article somewhat useful How to escape gate camps wouldn't you agree? |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 09:53:00 -
[163] - Quote
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:Lady Areola Fappington wrote:To keep this somewhat Eve relevant, I find the whole "all females are males" thing extremely annoying. I can't just say "I'm a woman playing Eve". I'm expected to go out of my way to verify my gender, else I'm just assumed to be Guy In Real Life. Flipside, guys get really, really pissed off when you do the inverse, and just assume them to be female unless proven otherwise. I have long since ceased to care if some random fellow or fellows on a video game or forum or any other electronic media believe I am a woman or not. if someone asks for my gender, i'll provide that information. what they do with it in their minds from there is totally on them. matters not to me one bit. just because so and so from such and such game doesn't believe when I tell them doesn't mean I magically grow a *****. however, not to give too much credit to doubters...if I saw someone named lady areola fappington claiming to be a woman even someone as easy going and uncaring about such things as myself might raise an eyebrow.  Thank you for keeping it Eve relevent |

Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
198
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 10:38:00 -
[164] - Quote
Oh my god what happened to the eve forums??? It's tumblr, youtube and the social justice warrior blogsphere all rolled into one. We're all gonna die!!!! Aaarrggghh. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity. |

Meilandra Vanderganken
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
|
Posted - 2013.12.01 11:04:00 -
[165] - Quote
For EVE, just two out of the list apply for me: poor winners and poor losers. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
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Posted - 2013.12.01 11:23:00 -
[166] - Quote
 Vicky Somers wrote:Oh my god what happened to the eve forums??? It's tumblr, youtube and the social justice warrior blogsphere all rolled into one. We're all gonna die!!!! Aaarrggghh.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
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Posted - 2013.12.01 11:37:00 -
[167] - Quote
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:For EVE, just two out of the list apply for me: poor winners and poor losers. Please Elaborate On your gaming experiences with Poor winners and poor losers we would like to know maybe to brainstorm new ideas in preventing such behavior and help them in coping better with loses and wins. Your feedback is very important! |

Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.12.01 11:44:00 -
[168] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:we would like to know maybe to brainstorm new ideas in preventing such behavior and help them in coping better with loses and wins. Your feedback is very important! I don't doubt the importance of her feedback, but what do you intend to do with it? Why do you think preventing this type of behaviour is necessary? Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:03:00 -
[169] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:we would like to know maybe to brainstorm new ideas in preventing such behavior and help them in coping better with loses and wins. Your feedback is very important! I don't doubt the importance of her feedback, but what do you intend to do with it? Why do you think preventing this type of behaviour is necessary? Good questions. I dont doubt her importance in her feedback why would I?I dont intent to exploit if that what your implying . my angle and true intentions is to help all new player base to grow to be aware and better counter the negative darker aspects of the gaming community as a whole so veterns and new players alike can have a better gaming enviroment that is not toxic. yes this behavior needs to change for sake of our children and future gamers.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:08:00 -
[170] - Quote
Eve is supposed to be a toxic gaming environment. It's an important part of how the game works. There is already an EULA in place which prevents that kind of behaviour from getting out of control, no further measures are required. Oh god. |
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:24:00 -
[171] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Eve is supposed to be a toxic gaming environment. It's an important part of how the game works. There is already an EULA in place which prevents that kind of behaviour from getting out of control, no further measures are required. Eve is a toxic environment and thats fine however Iam here to abolish it in game content sense I am the white knight planting the seeds of the Third Great Eve War to come. The revolution has started the side you chose is up to you i assure change is coming like it or not
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations CODE.
2080
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:44:00 -
[172] - Quote
Okay, good luck with that. Oh god. |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
5
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Posted - 2013.12.01 12:54:00 -
[173] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Okay, good luck with that. Thank You.
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Liafcipe9000
Biohazard. WINMATAR.
12599
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Posted - 2013.12.01 13:51:00 -
[174] - Quote
this should be in a song. Frostys Virpio > CCP: Continously Crying Playerbase Felicity Love >... was thinking "moar popcorn"... but now, seeing the truly awesome contribution this thread is going to make to the Greater Glory Of EVE.... imagonnamakkadapizza....
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Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1178
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Posted - 2013.12.01 13:55:00 -
[175] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:The 25 Most Annoying Things About Online Gamers
Stay on topic Here is The 26 catagories of discussion.
I hate you so so so much High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
6
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:10:00 -
[176] - Quote
 Ramona McCandless wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:The 25 Most Annoying Things About Online Gamers
Stay on topic Here is The 26 catagories of discussion. I hate you so so so much
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Skeln Thargensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
322
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:27:00 -
[177] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Eve is supposed to be a toxic gaming environment. It's an important part of how the game works. There is already an EULA in place which prevents that kind of behaviour from getting out of control, no further measures are required.
if it's a toxic environment then that's because the players chose it to be that way, because they are free to. that doesn't mean it's supposed to be that way.
i mean sure you can scam, gank and awox everyone at the slightest opportunity,.
or not. you could just go for 'gf's. freelance space bum |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1182
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Posted - 2013.12.01 14:36:00 -
[178] - Quote
Skeln Thargensen wrote:
you could just go for 'gf's.
Find your own gf
Or bf, whatever FEL-oats yer BA-oat High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
6
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Posted - 2013.12.01 15:32:00 -
[179] - Quote
"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler
But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns
However please share some dark harsh world of Eve of backstabbing stories I really wanna know we want to hear every juicy detail I may throw in a tournament on who has the best annoying story give the winner a BC or something. let me know my inquiring mind wants to know. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1183
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Posted - 2013.12.01 15:42:00 -
[180] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns However please share some dark harsh world of Eve of backstabbing stories I really wanna know we want to hear every juicy detail I may throw in a tournament on who has the best annoying story give the winner a BC or something. let me know my inquiring mind wants to know. 
I stole three T3s, all the uniques and pretty much all the items from a player who had sold his car for rent and was keeping his account going on the spare change he'd left over because his life was so poor and awful, EvE was the only thing he enjoyed.
I considered it a mercy killing. High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
7
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Posted - 2013.12.01 16:05:00 -
[181] - Quote
Ramona McCandless wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns However please share some dark harsh world of Eve of backstabbing stories I really wanna know we want to hear every juicy detail I may throw in a tournament on who has the best annoying story give the winner a BC or something. let me know my inquiring mind wants to know.  I stole three T3s, all the uniques and pretty much all the items from a player who had sold his car for rent and was keeping his account going on the spare change he'd left over because his life was so poor and awful, EvE was the only thing he enjoyed. I considered it a mercy killing. I can see your no The Blessed mother Teresa of Calcutta Romona, however it does qualify for a merciful backstabbing story who else can top this story anyone in the eve universe more Ruthless than Romona McCandless "The Merciful"? |

Mr Pragmatic
736
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Posted - 2013.12.01 19:39:00 -
[182] - Quote
The most annoying thing about Eve is its annoying know it all forum warriors.
I'd make a list....but I'm not allowed. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
6559
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Posted - 2013.12.01 19:55:00 -
[183] - Quote
- he proclaimed, on the forum. EVE Online - An Unstable Game |

Mr Pragmatic
737
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:03:00 -
[184] - Quote
James Amril-Kesh wrote:- he proclaimed, on the forum.
I don't proclaim to "know it all" though. Forum Warrioring is okay. But the attitude of "my sh!t don't stink"
that's obnoxious. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |

KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1168
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:18:00 -
[185] - Quote
Writer of that article seems to hate just about everyone, bet he is a tad antisocial.
If he would ever play EVE, he would probably end up getting his mision boat ganked, make a rage thread about it on the forums and proceed to be trolled out of the game. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |

Eli Green
The Arrow Project
791
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:21:00 -
[186] - Quote
EVE community > most others tbh wumbo |

Ryhss
157
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Posted - 2013.12.01 20:37:00 -
[187] - Quote
Grrrr I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK" |

Glathull
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.12.01 23:32:00 -
[188] - Quote
I'm pretty sure the most annoying EvE players are the ones who post lists of annoying gamers. To repeat, the skill split is scheduled for the big Summer 2013 expansion. ~CCP Fozzie |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
8
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Posted - 2013.12.02 00:35:00 -
[189] - Quote
   Glathull wrote:I'm pretty sure the most annoying EvE players are the ones who post lists of annoying gamers.
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KuroVolt
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
1171
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Posted - 2013.12.02 02:25:00 -
[190] - Quote
Glathull wrote:I'm pretty sure the most annoying EvE players are the ones who post lists of annoying gamers.
Exactly, if you can somehow list 25 types of people you hate within a subculture that you yourself are part of, you should probably start reviewing why you dont have many friends. BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty. |
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SmilingVagrant
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2147
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Posted - 2013.12.02 05:37:00 -
[191] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote: I can see your no The Blessed mother Teresa of Calcutta Romona, however it does qualify for a merciful backstabbing story who else can top this story anyone in the eve universe more Ruthless than Romona McCandless "The Merciful"?
I'll be your huckleberry. |

Ryhss
158
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Posted - 2013.12.02 06:00:00 -
[192] - Quote
You all do realize Even is a game right? I just turned into an egg, did I level up? I spent an hour trying to salvage a wreck, when in local a guy said "Stop it, this is my Tempest, I was AFK" |

Mr Pragmatic
738
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Posted - 2013.12.02 07:00:00 -
[193] - Quote
Ryhss wrote:You all do realize Even is a game right?
So is FewtBowel and Socker, but people are passionate about that. Super cali hella yolo swaga dopeness. -á-Yoloswaggins, in the fellowship of the bling. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1187
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Posted - 2013.12.02 08:25:00 -
[194] - Quote
KuroVolt wrote:Glathull wrote:I'm pretty sure the most annoying EvE players are the ones who post lists of annoying gamers. Exactly, if you can somehow list 25 types of people you hate within a subculture that you yourself are part of, you should probably start reviewing why you dont have many friends.
Bet I can list more
Blues arent even on that list
Ryhss wrote:You all do realize Even is a game right?
Whut High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
9
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Posted - 2013.12.02 10:44:00 -
[195] - Quote
KuroVolt wrote:Glathull wrote:I'm pretty sure the most annoying EvE players are the ones who post lists of annoying gamers. Exactly, if you can somehow list 25 types of people you hate within a subculture that you yourself are part of, you should probably start reviewing why you dont have many friends. To be quite Frank I Never put too much trust in friends, I rather learn how to use my enemies. |

Dextrome Thorphan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
15
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Posted - 2013.12.02 10:49:00 -
[196] - Quote
nvm |

Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
647
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:06:00 -
[197] - Quote
The most annoying thing in eve is when you are chatting with someone and the people who are blue to you send you a convo. It automatically opens and before you know it you are typing in that new window.
Or when you are typing to someone, then press enter to send and see that you just had a new chat request. The enter you just pressed will reject the new chat request. Oops, did I just deny a new possible client 
Can CCP...pleassseeeeeee stop moving the focus of the windows when you get a new chat window or requests !!
You either love us or we hate you. |

Ramona McCandless
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
1191
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Posted - 2013.12.02 11:07:00 -
[198] - Quote
     High Priestess of The Temple of the Holy Amarr Suicide Cult of Haimeh "You are, quite literally, the best person ever." --áDomanique Altares,-áRifterlings "Send Ramona your ISK, and biomass." --áJarod Garamonde,-áSardaukar Merc Guild |

Dextrome Thorphan
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
17
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:26:00 -
[199] - Quote
Tora Bushido wrote:The most annoying thing in eve is when you are chatting with someone and the people who are blue to you send you a convo. It automatically opens and before you know it you are typing in that new window. Or when you are typing to someone, then press enter to send and see that you just had a new chat request. The enter you just pressed will reject the new chat request. Oops, did I just deny a new possible client  Can CCP...pleassseeeeeee stop moving the focus of the windows when you get a new chat window or requests !!
Heh, indeed so many little easy things they could've fixed years ago (not being able to transfer overview settings from one character to another being the biggest let-down for me personally) |

Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Circle-Of-Two
533
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Posted - 2013.12.02 12:55:00 -
[200] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns However please share some dark harsh world of Eve of backstabbing stories I really wanna know we want to hear every juicy detail I may throw in a tournament on who has the best annoying story give the winner a BC or something. let me know my inquiring mind wants to know. 
What's wrong with unicorns? They are basically a horse but they also have a weapon. They could do you some serious damage I think. |
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Mining
10
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Posted - 2013.12.02 13:25:00 -
[201] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns However please share some dark harsh world of Eve of backstabbing stories I really wanna know we want to hear every juicy detail I may throw in a tournament on who has the best annoying story give the winner a BC or something. let me know my inquiring mind wants to know.  What's wrong with unicorns? They are basically a horse but they also have a weapon. They could do you some serious damage I think. Nothing wrong with Pink Unicorns at all. If anything I trust them more than Humans They are my best friends.
But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns - Solops Crendraven
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Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations Surely You're Joking
2035
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Posted - 2013.12.02 16:53:00 -
[202] - Quote
Solops Crendraven wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:"EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for." -CCP Wrangler But i want the Happy Fluff lala land filled with fun and adventure and pink unicorns However please share some dark harsh world of Eve of backstabbing stories I really wanna know we want to hear every juicy detail I may throw in a tournament on who has the best annoying story give the winner a BC or something. let me know my inquiring mind wants to know.  I stole three T3s, all the uniques and pretty much all the items from a player who had sold his car for rent and was keeping his account going on the spare change he'd left over because his life was so poor and awful, EvE was the only thing he enjoyed. I considered it a mercy killing. I can see your no The Blessed mother Teresa of Calcutta Romona, however it does qualify for a merciful backstabbing story who else can top this story anyone in the eve universe more Ruthless than Romona McCandless "The Merciful"?
Huh? Mother Teresa? lol
If I was trying to be evil, Mother Teresa might be someone I took my inspiration from. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita. |
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