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AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 10:48:00 -
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Dear EVE community,
Harsh times apeared to settle in Ukraine last days.The unsigned EU integration agreement by our government and president Victor Yanucovich these days in Vilnuis made thousand of ukrainians step out and join the "Eurorevolution" , demonstrators are 100% peceaful , supporting the Ukrainian euro integration.
This night police security forces, well known to work with a current bandit government circled the demonstrants and got them beaten down with the reason to install a Cristmas Tree on the place they gathered.
I'm asking every to sign a White House petition here to help ukrainians to overthrow the current government.
Demonstrations
Please get your safe mode turned off , video of violance.
Police clashes
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Sevendeadly Sins
Meatshield Bastards
The Bastards.
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:01:00 -
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This isn't the right sub-forum to post in mate.
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Lugalbandak
Anunnaku Warfare Corp.
262
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:03:00 -
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another colored revolution he? you hurting the feelings of our russian friends.
The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back |
AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:09:00 -
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Lugalbandak wrote:another colored revolution he? you hurting the feelings of our russian friends.
Most of mentally healthy people of Ukraine got nothing common with those Mongol-Tatar successors, Ukraine history shown our country to be a legit european country far before Russia even been established. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
8896
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:14:00 -
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What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement?
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2048
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:17:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement?
The EU is an American pet project.
Oh god. |
AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:21:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement?
If u dig bit deeper into the geopolitics and international relations you would understand that Ukraine holds a huge threat for Russia if being accepted into NATO/EU or any other non post-soviet aliiance.Its like having a bomb ticking next door for Russia, thats why Putin pushses our government hard not to get into EU and cancel our NATO agreements. Basicly Putin is just trying to form his neo post soviet union empire. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2048
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:22:00 -
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AllUrBase wrote:Ukraine holds a huge threat for Russia if being accepted into NATO/EU
Holy crap, where is the petition to keep you out of the EU?
Oh god. |
Orravan
Beautiful Losers
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:32:00 -
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AllUrBase wrote:Most of mentally healthy people of Ukraine got nothing common with those Mongol-Tatar successors, Ukraine history shown our country to be a legit european country far before Russia even been established.
Please define what a "legit european country" is. Without xenophobic and ethnic misconceptions, if possible.
Note that since I'm well versed on Rus history, you can skip that part out of your answer, as it doesn't relate to my question.
Also, Eve-O forums probably ain't the good place for RL political rants.
Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
Giuseppe R Raimondo
Lowsey Pirates Inc.
Capital Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:46:00 -
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In b4 the lock |
AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:46:00 -
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Orravan wrote:AllUrBase wrote:Most of mentally healthy people of Ukraine got nothing common with those Mongol-Tatar successors, Ukraine history shown our country to be a legit european country far before Russia even been established. Please define what a "legit european country" is. Without xenophobic and ethnic misconceptions, if possible. Note that since I'm well versed on Rus history, you can skip that part out of your answer, as it doesn't relate to my question. Also, Eve-O forums probably ain't the good place for RL political rants.
Well just the fact a daughter of Jaroslav the Wise was the French empress in 1051 -1075 talks for itself... The political role and impact of Kievan Rus on europe that days was huge .Thou that was far before the Mongol-Tatar igo (now Russia) stepped in with its barbarian occupation. Im not a xenofob thou and i got nothing versus russian nation as it is , i just dont support russian government preasure on post soviet union countries , not just Ukraine.
Also my topic is not to describe or discuss UA-RU relations , I was asked how USA can profit of that , so I've answered.Our main problem is OUR government at the moment being influenced by russian one alot , so the main aim is to overthrow it , other issue would dissapear by itself. |
AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:52:00 -
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AllUrBase wrote:Orravan wrote:AllUrBase wrote:Most of mentally healthy people of Ukraine got nothing common with those Mongol-Tatar successors, Ukraine history shown our country to be a legit european country far before Russia even been established. Please define what a "legit european country" is. Without xenophobic and ethnic misconceptions, if possible. Note that since I'm well versed on Rus history, you can skip that part out of your answer, as it doesn't relate to my question. Also, Eve-O forums probably ain't the good place for RL political rants. Well just the fact a daughter of Jaroslav the Wise was the French empress in 1051 -1075 talks for itself... The political role and impact of Kievan Rus on europe that days was huge .Thou that was far before the Mongol-Tatar igo (now Russia) stepped in with its barbarian occupation. Im not a xenofob thou and i got nothing versus russian nation as it is , i just dont support russian government preasure on post soviet union countries , not just Ukraine. Also my topic is not to describe or discuss UA-RU relations , I was asked how USA can profit of that , so I've answered.Our main problem is OUR government at the moment being influenced by russian one alot , so the main aim is to overthrow it , other issues would dissapear by itself.
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AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:53:00 -
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AllUrBase wrote:AllUrBase wrote:Orravan wrote:AllUrBase wrote:Most of mentally healthy people of Ukraine got nothing common with those Mongol-Tatar successors, Ukraine history shown our country to be a legit european country far before Russia even been established. Please define what a "legit european country" is. Without xenophobic and ethnic misconceptions, if possible. Note that since I'm well versed on Rus history, you can skip that part out of your answer, as it doesn't relate to my question. Also, Eve-O forums probably ain't the good place for RL political rants. Well just the fact a daughter of Jaroslav the Wise was the French empress in 1051 -1075 talks for itself... The political role and impact of Kievan Rus on europe that days was huge .Thou that was far before the Mongol-Tatar igo (now Russia) stepped in with its barbarian occupation. Im not a xenofob thou and i got nothing versus russian nation as it is , i just dont support russian government preasure on post soviet union countries , not just Ukraine. Also my topic is not to describe or discuss UA-RU relations , I was asked how USA can profit of that , so I've answered.Our main problem is OUR government at the moment being influenced by russian one alot , so the main aim is to overthrow it , other issues would dissapear by themselves.
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Darvaleth Sigma
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:54:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:baltec1 wrote:What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement? The EU is an American pet project.
American poster detected?
Give a man a match and you warm him for a day.
Set a man on fire and he's warm for the rest of his life! |
AllUrBase
Just no reason corp
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Posted - 2013.11.30 11:56:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:Riot Girl wrote:baltec1 wrote:What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement? The EU is an American pet project. American poster detected?
I would tell EU was created to somehow balance the USA influence.But USA impact on Europe is huge at the moment .
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:01:00 -
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EVE forums are not the place to discuss this kind of thing.
Lugalbandak wrote:another colored revolution he? you hurting the feelings of our russian friends.
No matter what happens in Ukraine will hurt someones feelings.
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Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:04:00 -
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Darvaleth Sigma wrote:Riot Girl wrote:baltec1 wrote:What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement? The EU is an American pet project. American poster detected?
UK
Oh god. |
BLACK-STAR
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:20:00 -
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OP you realize these political topics are illegal.
Wait, russia, LOL.....DUB RAINBOWS DO NOT EXIST !!!!
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Orravan
Beautiful Losers
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:23:00 -
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AllUrBase wrote: Well just the fact a daughter of Jaroslav the Wise was the French empress in 1051 -1075 talks for itself... The political role and impact of Kievan Rus on europe that days was huge .Thou that was far before the Mongol-Tatar igo (now Russia) stepped in with its barbarian occupation. Im not a xenofob thou and i got nothing versus russian nation as it is , i just dont support russian government preasure on post soviet union countries , not just Ukraine.
Also my topic is not to describe or discuss UA-RU relations , I was asked how USA can profit of that , so I've answered.Our main problem is OUR government at the moment being influenced by russian one alot , so the main aim is to overthrow it , other issue would dissapear by itself.
It doesn't answer my question : what is a "legit european country" ?
Though it's a purely rethorical question, because there's no such thing as a "legit" country. There's only people living together and sharing a common culture, who ended living within fixed boundaries as a result of their history -- mainly made not by the people itself by the way, but by its rulers over the last thousands years.
The very idea of a "legit country" is purely political.
Europe mainly defines itself by its numerous cultures and histories, and these are tied to their neighbours's. There is culturally less in common between Ukrainians and British/Spanish/Italian people than between Ukrainians and Russians.
Ukraine' history and culture are rooted within Polish, Russian, Scandinavian, Mongol, Lithuanian histories aswell, the same way England is sharing cultural traits and features with German, French and Welsh people, for example.
So rejecting Russian culture because it doesn't appeal to you or doesn't suit your plans is a bit simplistic and ahistorical.
Also, Europe is just a name for a geographic area, and the EU is a political and economical project, its fundations doesn't lies on nationalistic or ethnic conceptions, but on a common goal of prosperity, peace and -for some people- political unification.
Cultural proximity does help to make it work, but is not a requirement by itself.
Fight for what you believe to be right, but get your facts straight.
And again, this kind of topic doesn't belongs with these forums.
Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
Wyrmlimion
The Scope
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:25:00 -
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Europe recruitment is currently closed, we have our own issues without taking on yours. |
Orravan
Beautiful Losers
8
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:27:00 -
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Wyrmlimion wrote:Europe recruitment is currently closed, we have our own issues without taking on yours.
Yeah, too much awoxing going on currently.
Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:27:00 -
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Orravan wrote:what is a "legit european country" ?
England, Scotland, France, Norway, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland.
Oh god. |
LittleTerror
Illuminated Foundation Trust
114
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:27:00 -
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Russia will not like this.
As a UK citizen I can honestly say that the EU has been nothing but **** for us... but if you wanna hop on the ride which is difficult to get off be my guest. |
Dunpeal Hunter
Zervas Aeronautics
The Unthinkables
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Posted - 2013.11.30 12:54:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Orravan wrote:what is a "legit european country" ? England, Scotland, France, Norway, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland.
You forgot to add the Netherlands to that list. :)
And since when is Iceland part of the European Union? We have a few treaties with them, but i am pretty sure they are not a European country like for example Germany is. Same thing with Switzerland.
I dont know if this is important or not, but i have chickens..... |
Lipbite
Express Hauler
1468
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:00:00 -
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It seems Russian anti-utopia is more interesting option for Ukraine than EU. WTH are you doing there, Europeans?! |
Orravan
Beautiful Losers
8
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Posted - 2013.11.30 13:11:00 -
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Dunpeal Hunter wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Orravan wrote:what is a "legit european country" ? England, Scotland, France, Norway, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland. You forgot to add the Netherlands to that list. :)
See, that's my point exactly. "Legit" doesn't mean anything in this context, it's a subjective idea and a matter of opinion, and everyone will have his idea about its meaning.
Hence why the initial argument of OP is flawed. People in Ukraine doesn't (or shouldn't) want to join the EU because they think they "righteously" belongs there, but because they want, as a people, to be part of a common project that politically suits them.
The lifespan of this topic is surprisingly long. 
Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
Riot Girl
Krypteia Operations
CODE.
2050
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:08:00 -
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Dunpeal Hunter wrote:You forgot to add the Netherlands to that list. :)
Yes, thank you, Dunpeal.
Quote:And since when is Iceland part of the European Union?
It's not, but it is in Europe.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
8898
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:11:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Orravan wrote:what is a "legit european country" ? England, Scotland, France, Norway, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland.
The scots ain't free yet
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Orravan
Beautiful Losers
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Orravan wrote:what is a "legit european country" ? England, Scotland, France, Norway, Iceland, Germany, Austria, Switzerland. The scots ain't free yet
It is a country nonetheless. 
Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally. |
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
887
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Posted - 2013.11.30 14:19:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:baltec1 wrote:What good is a white house petition to get a nation 1/4 of the way around the world to sign up to an EU trade agreement? The EU is an American pet project.
Are you saying america was discovered by europeans?
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