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Krathe
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:19:00 -
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I agree with the general trend with this thread. The warp sound is simply unbearable volume wise. While you're at it, the only other sound that bugs me is the incredible noise megapulse lasers make when you're zoomed in, it's deafening. I've ripped my headphones off before when I didn't realise how loud they were going to be.
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:26:00 -
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 Originally by: Xailia
I do find it a bit strange that a function that is built into the client (the automatic loading of single files outside of stuffs) is officially barred from use, all while pointing at the EULA.
It's just a function of the loader they use. It's been an industry standard to have the loader for archives work like that ever since I was modding Duke Nukem 3D back in ye olden days.
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Sicarius
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Xailia
I do find it a bit strange that a function that is built into the client (the automatic loading of single files outside of stuffs) is officially barred from use, all while pointing at the EULA.
It's just a function of the loader they use. It's been an industry standard to have the loader for archives work like that ever since I was modding Duke Nukem 3D back in ye olden days.
also if you think about this from the programmers perspective.
much easier to edit the files and save them to dir, than recompile the .stuff files with the new changes whenever the programmer has changed something. its faster and more efficient than restricting the loader to the .stuff files.
and hmm.. btw I fully favor the trend in this thread, reduce the warp sound FFS, I generally LOVE the sound in eve but this **** is just ruining the general ambience of the game.
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Butter Dog
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Posted - 2006.03.02 23:41:00 -
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I agree that the warp sound is too loud, and needs to be decreased in volume.
I'll leave the EULA debate for someone else, but on the above point it would be nice to have this little issue resolved so I can play with sound again without fear of a perforated eardrum when I am using TS.
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:02:00 -
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I would love to have even the edited version i made, but i'm actually hoping the sound guy has an idea up his sleve and will get the go ahead to make a nice new one :)
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Vito Parabellum
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Posted - 2006.03.03 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Regarding those posters that are saying they do not receive any benefit from modifying client files, I disagree. A while back, there was a client mod that allowed a player to change ship into something less CPU/GPU intensive than the current models, thus decreasing system lag, resulting in a significant PvP advantage over someone without this mod. Its use became so widespread that players were banned for using this mod and the policy CCP had towards client mods tightened up significantly.
Only in eve that the lag is so accepted that it's actually a requirement, and if you dont have it you are a haxxor! Why not put in a few restrictions on what gear you can run it on too? I mean, someone running eve with the latest gfx and cpu will have an unfair advantage over my crappy puter in pvp ffs!
The suckers that modify the client to do evil deeds, will do it regardless of whats in the eula. People that want lower sound, old sound, new GUI or a pink dreadnaught should be able to have that without fear of the banstick.
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Orb Lati
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Posted - 2006.03.03 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
Regarding those posters that are saying they do not receive any benefit from modifying client files, I disagree. A while back, there was a client mod that allowed a player to change ship into something less CPU/GPU intensive than the current models, thus decreasing system lag, resulting in a significant PvP advantage over someone without this mod. Its use became so widespread that players were banned for using this mod and the policy CCP had towards client mods tightened up significantly.
This seems like a very draconian reaction to a player made improvement to your game.
Especially if its inefficiencies within your client which is causing so much trouble that players are cleaning up those ineffiencies themselves.
The argument that this gives a player an unfair advantage is stupid because the varied computer systems (and graphic/sound drives) contributes more to any perceived advantage than simple model replacement.
CCP isnĘt about to implement any restrictions on how powerful a computer is allowed to be before they are not allowed to play Eve to ensure 1 player cant have an unfair advantage over another.
While I understand the position that Kieron is in that he has to enforce the EULA, in this one aspect I believe the EULA should be changed (thus allowing simple sound, texture and model file substitution) (note: the EULA should still cover bans if alteration to client coding is detected).
There are many graphic and audio items I find annoying within the client that I would love to have changed or have alternatives options. (low quality textures, scaling inconstancies, annoying sounds, missing model elements etc)
And since all player to player interaction is handled through the server, there shouldnĘt be anyway for any client side alteration to allow cheating.
What I would love to see on the CCP website is an area dedicated to promoting high rated (both by the player base and CCP) mod files. This sort of endorsement (or at least acknowledgement) would also help limit the proliferation of silly models or textures that modding sometimes introduces. Which is probably the only reason the EULA prohibits client changes.
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.03 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Orb Lati
The argument that this gives a player an unfair advantage is stupid because the varied computer systems (and graphic/sound drives) contributes more to any perceived advantage than simple model replacement.
No, trust me on this one, I've watched some comparative FRAPS of the difference the model replacement made, and it was HUGE.
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Kuolematon
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Posted - 2006.03.06 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
You need to ban the use of special programable keyboards..
The day when they ban my G15 is day when I will cancel my accounts.
I love the fact that pressing one key activates all my guns same time and chooses target. 
Unnerf Amarr!!
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Meridius
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Posted - 2006.03.06 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: Captain Tightpants
Originally by: Meridius
Pretty said that the EULA has to be brought up over something as simple as this.
Yeah, nomally contracts, agreements, laws and other legal documents only apply to the Really Big Stuff. That's why thefts of under $100 are okay.
Huh?
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Redundancy
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:09:00 -
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I'll take a look at the warp sounds today.
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Izo Azlion
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Izo Azlion on 06/03/2006 11:15:58
I think we should be allowed to edit what little bits we like. (Warp sounds, that annoying sound when we cloak to jump, and uncloak, the fonts... whatever)
It would take hundreds of us to get this annoying bloody "cloaking sound" out of the game now, after not being asked or told that it was going in.
This sound lets people on gates hear when someones coming through. like the gate itself already did, but it also gives them the ability to hear when, and where abouts, they uncloak, this makes it possible for them to do something else, and then, if quick enough, attend to EVE.
Thats a whole different kettle of fish anyway. The warp sounds totally over ride every other sound, other than 5 heavy missiles plunging through armour, or other impacts bigger than this. IMO EULA policy, though I follow it (Banned from eve? thats like losing life!XD!) I dont agree with this portion of it.
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Edit: Oh sorry Redundancy, didnt see that post. Appriciate it ^.^
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aeti
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
I'll take a look at the warp sounds today.
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Lord WarATron
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:18:00 -
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I have heard over local a long time ago that there is a mod out there that displays sec status and corp of people in local over their name. I dont know if this is genuine or some guy pulling our leg, but a small mod like that could create a massive benifit for the user.
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Gah'khaz
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Posted - 2006.03.06 11:33:00 -
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strange that players have to illegaly modify their clients to give us something which should have a been a feature in the first place i say. just my 0.02 isk
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Snake Jankins
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Posted - 2006.03.06 12:07:00 -
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Edited by: Snake Jankins on 06/03/2006 12:13:21
Edited by: Snake Jankins on 06/03/2006 12:08:01
I also think that modifications to the sound are harmless, since noone gains an advantage over an other player with it.
But I think, CCP should have a list of important files that are NOT to be touched or replaced this way, because modding them gives you an unfair advantage.
There should be a detection, maybe the possibility to upload a file that the client uses back to CCP for proof and analysis and temp bans or even perma bans for modifyfng these files.
Sorry, imho if you modify a python script for your advantage it should result in a perma and if people extremly simplify 3-d models or textures to dramatically decrease loading times or increase FPS, then they force others to do the same and play an ugly looking game, because otherwise they can't compete. I don't want that and that's cheating.
*edit* The name of the game is not: 'EVE - Who mods the hell out of wins !' 
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Admiral IceBlock
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Posted - 2006.03.06 12:34:00 -
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so why doesnt ccp release an option to replace models with a square or something? that feature is needed to play the client lag free in large battles, isnt that stupid Kieron?
it is stupid that to play and enjoy this game at all levels you have to modify your client else you cant enjoy ****.
and as stated before, the "warp sound mod" is not really modifying any files at all..
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Lord WarATron
I have heard over local a long time ago that there is a mod out there that displays sec status and corp of people in local over their name. I dont know if this is genuine or some guy pulling our leg, but a small mod like that could create a massive benifit for the user.
There are several "screenshots" going round which show that, but they're actually mockups a friend of mine made about 4 months ago for the system he'd LIKE. Not something which was actually done. They're good because he's a pro artist.
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:52:00 -
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Many thanks Redundancy :)
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Remedial
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Posted - 2006.03.06 13:57:00 -
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If the devs start persuing and banning pilots for purely cosmetic modifications, then they aren't the devs most Eve pilots believe they are. I would consider them above enforcing the EULA on people changing out sound or graphic files to achieve a different look.
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.03.06 15:54:00 -
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See the dev post a little higher, at the very least, hopefully we can get a new warp sound :)
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BlueSmok
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Posted - 2006.03.06 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
I'll take a look at the warp sounds today.
Yay *does a little dance*
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.06 16:39:00 -
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Originally by: Redundancy
I'll take a look at the warp sounds today.
Result :D.
A volume slider for them would be nice.
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F2C MaDMaXX
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Posted - 2006.03.06 18:49:00 -
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Noo, if he's the sound guy, which i guess he is, then he won't settle for something so simple as a volume slider, well, i hope not, so we should at the very least be looking at a tweaked sound similar to the one i made :)
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Nyphur
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Posted - 2006.03.06 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Noo, if he's the sound guy, which i guess he is, then he won't settle for something so simple as a volume slider, well, i hope not, so we should at the very least be looking at a tweaked sound similar to the one i made :)
I guess you're right. Fingers crossed that the new sound is nice and sounds less like I'm an aeroplane flying through a sandstorm.
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Razin
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Posted - 2006.03.06 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: F2C MaDMaXX
Noo, if he's the sound guy, which i guess he is, then he won't settle for something so simple as a volume slider, well, i hope not, so we should at the very least be looking at a tweaked sound similar to the one i made :)
I guess you're right. Fingers crossed that the new sound is nice and sounds less like I'm an aeroplane flying through a sandstorm.
I once watched an old TV episode of Flash Gordon (looked like it was made back in the 30Ęs or 40Ęs). The rocket motor sounds that they used in that show were recorded from a prop driven aircraft.
We really need to move away from such things.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.03.06 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Maya Rkell
Kieron,
I for one was fully aware of the hack (and others) and didn't use it. Thing is, using certain drones which didn't have a model (on CCP's side) could very easily also been seen as the same thing, and if everyone who used them dosn't also get banned, it's inconsistant (and thus directly harmful to the game).
If you're taking a hard line, then you need to ban TS/Vent. You need to ban the use of special programable keyboards, and a number of other things which you've dismissed as harmless. Until then, you're drawing the line with uncertaincy and fear, which simply alienates the userbase. I, personally, see a lot of dev activity on the forums but very little evidence we're listened to even on simple issues like warp sounds, hence I don't rate Eve's dev involvement especially high.
And I'll say again, if you want to enforce a hardline policy then you need to listen to people who are complaining about significant client issues, which are NOT overly manpower intensive to fix like the warp sound and the font. Until then, I will still never use the Eve sound system and use IRC for the majority of my Eve-related chat. Fundermental game systems not being used because of this...meh. Far more important to the game than any single bug or addition in Blood (excepting the local bug fix, sure).
You of all people should be familiar with the idea that sometimes it's better to have a hard-and-fast policy that's rigidly applicable than to try and deal with issues fairly on a case-by-case basis...
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Maya Rkell
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Posted - 2006.03.06 20:56:00 -
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There's a difference between having a consistant moderation policy and dev issues like addressing widely decried things like the Eve font.
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Joerd Toastius
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:19:00 -
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Changing ship models to, say, large white boxes with their ship type written on them in big red letters would seem to give you something of an advantage. Doubly so when you change the weapon models to similar boxes stating their type.
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Br0wn 0ps
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Posted - 2006.03.06 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
A while back, there was a client mod that allowed a player to change ship into something less CPU/GPU intensive than the current models, thus decreasing system lag, resulting in a significant PvP advantage over someone without this mod. Its use became so widespread that players were banned for using this mod and the policy CCP had towards client mods tightened up significantly.
Will things change? Possibly. CCP has taken a number of player suggestions and added them into EVE. Until then, don't modify your client. If you do, be prepared for the client to fail at the least, and with the knowledge that you do face a ban if discovered.
How about starting by allowing us to disable ship/drone rendering for fleet fights, by letting us see only ship/drone symbols? To be more programatically correct, how about setting a minimum frame rate at which that occurs automatically? The client already knows the number of frames per second it is getting. Use that knowledge to programmatically disable ship/drone rendering, regardless of setting.
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