operate operationally on operations

Apparently CCP doesn't think races should be viable in pvp other than Gallente, and the few token scimitars to repair them.

Apparently CCP doesn't think races should be viable in pvp other than Gallente, and the few token scimitars to repair them.

(1) Manticore
(2) Crow

Here are the involved parties in pandemic legions latest Titan loss, can anyone see the obvious imbalance of power in which ships are selected to operate operationally on operations? When does CCP intend to address the issue with shield tanking, and missile users?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20734745

Confirmed CCP decides fleet doctrines for all Alliances

Also, *Phoenix

What decided fleet doctrines are the gameplay mechanics which heavily favor gallente and armor tanking races

Yet CCP continues to ignore that new players, and veterans alike who have significant skill point investments into the non Alpha races such as Gallente aren't able to compete thanks to poor game design decisions. CCP should rebalance caldari ships to be viable in pvp, or remove caldari from the game, because no one should have to be wasting skill points training that ****.

Wat

Yeah I see SO many Amarr ships in that list too because armour tanking is OP



How about you "rebalance" your jealousy and rage and learn to fit for role and not for lazyness eh

Caldari have no role, that is the point I am making.

Caldari have no role, that is the point I am making.

not true: they are the best kiters in the game. You can see Caldari ships in FW

More Caldari ships in top 20 than Gallente

/ thread

Knights the ships are fine but you're just a bad

hth

You see I have a dream, the dream is that if CCP cannot balance Caldari to be viable, then they will buff Caldari to the position of master race. I will fly the superior Phoenix into combat to deal twice the damage of the MOROS, and be able to wipe out legions of frigates in the explosive after wave of my citadel torpedoes.

I will travel the stars as the dominant force, slaying groups of inferior beings such as Minmatar, and Gallente with my battlestar like Phoenix.

Think of it like this, Gallente have had time to be overpowered, now let Caldari shine. You will force current Gallente pilots to switch to Caldari training, which means they will have to buy more plex or spend more time paying to play your game in order to compete.

The age of Caldari is now, if you want it to be ccp

One last thing, this would help reduce lag in pvp, overpowered missiles wiping out hordes of ships in the afterwave would remove the blobs from the game, noobs stuck with laser beams, and railguns would be forced to all switch to missiles, eventually removing peasants from our systems.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=300925&find=unread.


/thread
Also thread title is about missiles http://eve-kill.net/?a=top20
Weapons systems top 20? /thread

While the Phoenix is a joke in real need of some love to state that there are no viable PvP ships in the Caldari line-up based on that is just sloppy thinking with no basis in fact.

Weapons systems top 20

The point is valid. Most people won't admit it. They don't want to use missiles so they ignore the fact. And raven doctrines are rare and may have just been a phase. Name me one class of ship where caldari is the favored for pvp.

T3? Nope teng us are good but not favored. Bc? Nope maybe only the crow would be favored in its class. Anything dread and above caldari is a joke and everyone knows it.

Calling bs on this list if its supposed to be the most used weapons in either general OR pvp

I see a maticore there...how dare u say missles and shield arent used???

We have viable ships, the griffin.

It's pvp and all api verified. So call BS all you want only makes you look like a fool.

It's pvp and all api verified. So call BS all you want only makes you look like a fool.

She's not saying the list is fake, she's saying it's not indicative of general pvp preferences or ability.

Duh.

Exactly

title clearly says the phoenix

Actually, it says " missile ships, such as the phoenix"

Not The Phoenix only

Not "ships like the Phoenix"

But "such as" ie Missile ships including the Phoenix

I believe you have something against Caldari, are you a Gallente pilot by chance?

The point is valid. Most people won't admit it. They don't want to use missiles so they ignore the fact. And raven doctrines are rare and may have just been a phase. Name me one class of ship where caldari is the favored for pvp.

T3? Nope teng us are good but not favored. Bc? Nope maybe only the crow would be favored in its class. Anything dread and above caldari is a joke and everyone knows it.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

OP posts a thread about missile weapons, rabble reads it as a buff caldari thread, go figure.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

LOL...missiles gained ground with the addition of RHML....LOL.

Tell us more about how being able to pump out 1000 DPS on a battleship with HEAVY MISSILES at 47kms is inconsequential.

And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?

And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?

And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?

Reload times, really? Less than Arty, the same as Shield ASBs. You going to tell me both of those are inconsequential as well? You don't even need to reload when using them against small ships, they will be dead before you need to.

He, like the OP, seems to still live in the fantasy land that equates missiles with massively low DPS weapons.

I guess DPS has changed its meaning too

Derps per Second?

And what do you while they reload?

And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?

i don't fly missile and laser ships. And i don't fly minmatar ships too.

I just like gallente ships.

Does it make gallente ships OP and other races underpowered?

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

Give the Phoenix a role bonus that removes the speed penalty from the siege mode and it'll gain a significant advantage over other Dreads. Heh.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

OP posts a thread about missile weapons, rabble reads it as a buff caldari thread, go figure.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

Correct me if I'm wrong but it use to be hardly anyone would fly Gallente into a PVP situation.

The situation use to be flipped around. Shield kiting was the way to go.

Now armor brawlers are in favor.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

4) CNR has more applicable damage to frigs and cruisers with cruise missiles than with RHML. This is stupid.

make the phoenix a hybrid dread rather than missile dread

There is practically no situation where a MISSILES is preferred over guns. From incursions to pvp to complex running.

Being usable is not the same as performing well. Also you make it sound like it's only one alliance that's not using missiles but it's not. Most if not all doctrine are gun or drone boats.

Aside from a structure bash missiles are useless; and this is coming from someone who used to be diehard caldari.
Ever since I trained projectiles and hybrids I have not looked at a missile ship.

Ratting? Vindi or Mach out preform anything missile based.

Post KMs and typed 'rekt' in local?

That would actually help a lot even if it would be unbonused, just let it have 3 turret hardpoints and we're happy for the foreseeable future.

1) Selectable damage type is the ONLY saving grace for todays missile user. You at CCP refuse to change the dame kinetic bonus to an universal one so we are forced to use kinetic if we want high damage..... however......

The objective is that by the time you have to reload, everything should be dead.

If this is not the case, then you done frakked up.

Am I to have an impress?

Buff missiles, and I will burn New Eden with them.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Arduemont

Achieved almost entirely with missiles. Buff missiles, I dare you.

Not to be a ****.... but I'm going to assume English is not your first language and you are trying to say:

"Am I supposed to be impressed?"

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

Well at one point my favorite belt ratter was the drake, cheap, able to tank and could kite far enough out that you had time to warp out and was able to mitigate damage through range, now with 41 km range, I just don't use it. My drakes are now used for popping out of station to check whats there, with tank and a ship scanner or the very limited use HAML drake when someone decides to sit on the undock, fools.... That is the only thing I use them for, HML drakes have no range and pitiful dps, in fact they are utterly useless! When they made the changes to the drake and HML's, I could accept a reduced DPS if they left the range alone, but the range nerf combined with damage nerf was too much and I said that on the thread. I also stopped using the Nighthawk for much the same reason...

My English is just fine, that would be exactly the question. There is nothing on that killboard that suggests that missiles are in anyway over powered......It tells us you have a middling kill/death ratio and that you really like Gnosis.

That's about it really.

My English is just fine, that would be exactly the question. There is nothing on that killboard that suggests that missiles are in anyway over powered......It tells us you have a middling kill/death ratio and that you really like Gnosis.

That's about it really.

K/D means nothing. A player with one kill and one death has the same K/D as a player with 50 kill and 50 deaths. Which one is better? That would depend on how long they've been playing, but the only way to find out is to actually have them fight. It's the same for anything. You are not better than someone if you have a better K/D, you are better than them if you beat them. His K/D says nothing to me. Who he kills, who he is killed by, how, where, what to and why... that says everything.

So killing a cruiser with a battlecruiser that has nearly triple the eHP.....or hitting an ishtar with a Damnation and Gnosis. Obviously, gods gift to PvP.

It's a shame I can't link killmails or battle reports. The one where I kill a Harb, a Drake and a Rupture in a Caracal alone in the same engagement is pretty good. There's also a 5 vs 15 battle where we kill 15 and lose nothing. I was flying a Caracal for that one as well. The Algos I killed with a Stealth bomber was very amusing, but mostly just a really bad adversary. Solo Harpy, Vexor and Thrasher kills in a hawk are nice little additions to the list. Not to mention all the kills I got in the Merlin before the weapon system change.

35k up the ranks is not in the middle. Don't get me wrong, it's not astounding in any way. But it's not middling. Most of my kills are solo or small gang against larger numbers and I don't have any hundred man carriers and dread kills padding my killmails. At this point, any attempt to defend my statement will appear boastful, so that's where I stop.

Edit: The guy below me didn't even read to the second page. lol

You're only looking at a couple of kills for examples. I killed a venture yesterday in a Jaguar. The day before that, I killed a Hurricane in the same ship. Solo. With more than triple the ehp I had.

You cannot gauge a player by only one or two kills that fit your opinion of a player. If you want to find out how truly good he is, why not challenge him to a fight? Or, you can sit there making insubstantial presumptions about him with no basis. I, for one, will take care if I ever find myself in battle against Arduemont, and would welcome him to fight alongside me any day, whether he's predominantly high sec or not.

He also isn't taking account that the Ishtar kill was two BCs against an Ishtar, an Abaddon (who escaped) and a Raven. Epic? Not in the slightest, but we were still outnumbered and out-gunned. Experience rued the day there.

He also isn't taking account that the Ishtar kill was two BCs against an Ishtar, an Abaddon (who escaped) and a Raven. Epic? Not in the slightest, but we were still outnumbered and out-gunned. Experience rued the day there.

Actually the damage and range nerf put HMLs back in line with the other LR medium weapons........
....except they turned around and buffed the crap out of the medium LR turrets, so yeah.

So far as it goes Light Missiles and Cruises both have far and away more range compared to their peers, lights nearly match heavies and cruises are a another order of magnitude in the range department. Cruise missiles have been a side project of mine for a couple weeks now.

So you caught ratters?

Because if they were PvP builds and remotely set up that should have been bad for you comp for comp

I am. So... he took a Gnosis and a Damnation up against two battleships and a HAC.... Sounds like pretty level ground to me. See, the reason why you're ranked lower than the both of us is because I can't see a single solo kill on your kb... well, let's just say I stopped looking at page 5.

P.S. No one uses battleclinic anymore...

Well... I do. People keep telling me this silliness that 'bc is for nubs' but when I ask why, I get the same stupid answers. "Cuz nobody uses it" or "cuz it's for nubs". I dunno.... I still haven't heard a reason why I shouldn't use it.

I had a head chef once when I was doing my apprenticeship who was like that as well. I proved him wrong consistently whenever he gave me no reason other than "cuz it's for amateurs".

No you can use it if you choose.

For those that have been around a while its an agrivation because there are a lot of things that BC won't post without being API verfied, and many aren't giving them their APIs. It is what it is. You can accomplish the same thing with zKillboard or Evekill without the hassle, AND you don't get shot to a "buy GTC" website for every mis-click.

No more no less.

you dare argue with lemmings about bc??!

I have adblock, and every one of my kills is on BC.

No problems here.

Well good for you, but there are enough entities with my API, you understand that its actually to your advantage to have all of that be inaccurate right? WHY would you give away free intel.

I.e. I'm a lemming that has never flown a small gang....ever. Right?

Well good for you, but there are enough entities with my API, you understand that its actually to your advantage to have all of that be inaccurate right? WHY would you give away free intel.

I.e. I'm a lemming that has never flown a small gang....ever. Right?

I never called you a lemming, and I never judged you for blobbing or anything like that, merely pointing out that killing a Hurricane solo in an assault frigate, for example, is worth 51 pts on bc, whereas blobbing one spreads the points and does less for your rank. Hence why I'm 45K with 115 kills and your 50K with over a thousand and a better KD. My only point, through all this, is that KD alone means nothing.

And while you're talking about me giving away free intel, you're demonstrating that you don't know what to do with it by not exploring the circumstances of Arduemont's Ishtar and Raven kill, so why should I be concerned?

Yeah because trying to navigate BC with a cell phone is the epitome of a good time .....hence why many chose not to use it. The intel I grab is usually first hand anymore, I really don't care about who killed and with what, because out here you know most of that by their tickers, any question marks are assumed to be alts.

Its been a good while since I had to do anything past a glance for any reason except recruitment.

And what do you while they reload?
Make a sandwich and hope your ship is still there when you come back?

Something being difficult to navigate on a cell phone does not by virtue of being difficult to navigate on a sub-par computing device a bad application make.

I do all my EVE stuff on a PC. If I'm not near my PC, it's because I'm out with friends/at work/at uni and I have my priorities in order.

So... still no issues here.

^^ Thanks.

The 40 second reload time on RLMLs and even the RHMLs is ridiculous. For burst or alpha damage there was arty. So a good idea was turned into a "gank weapon". I'm sure the blobs will love it.

Small gangs and people trying to "scrub off" tacklers will find out the hard way who is off-grid boosted and they'll have 40 seconds of doing nothing while they watch. Way to kill a module.

You are still trying to defend battleclinic? Holy crap, do you own the domain or something?

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

Don't listen to the whining about missiles generally. There is still no effective anti-missile ewar in a solo or small gang setting.

I still curse the day when I was a little noob and thought "hey, missiles look cool and can't miss"... -.-
So many wasted skillpoints.

Don't listen to the whining about missiles generally. There is still no effective anti-missile ewar in a solo or small gang setting.

You are still trying to defend battleclinic? Holy crap, do you own the domain or something?

make it possible for tracking disruptors to affect missiles, make it possible for them to miss/lose their target.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

So what's the actual problem with missiles? Is there one?

I need to know so I can train them or not.

Sensor dampeners are pretty effective, fit two of them and stop crying. You can use them as an anti-turret ewar too

http://tinyurl.com/nlua4xs

I believe the problem is that the people currently using them have no idea how they should be using and then come to the forums to whine that they should be better.

Not clicking on your link. But you don't read anyway. You even answered the stupidity of your reply in your post.

Well, being so pro you can always share some of your HM fits and teach the ignorant newbies what to use for wannabe l33t solo / small gang pvp but somehow I doubt you will.

A few pages or so ago, I did. Your welcome.

Your an idiot. Missiles are frankly incredible in PvP. You do, of course, need to know how to use them.

I believe the problem is that the people currently using them have no idea how they should be using and then come to the forums to whine that they should be better.

So what's the actual problem with missiles? Is there one?

I need to know so I can train them or not.

So what's the actual problem with missiles? Is there one?

I need to know so I can train them or not.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

HAMs are awesome.

make the phoenix a hybrid dread rather than missile dread

Just because I want to be in the running for bad idea of the day, I say we should do this and then give it ecm bonuses and allow it to target caps and supercaps with ecm.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML.

HAMs are awesome.

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

Incursions, agreed. PvP? Your an idiot. Missiles are frankly incredible in PvP. You do, of course, need to know how to use them.


Comparing alliance level PvP to PvP in general is daft. Your right about alliance level PvP though, missiles are useless at that. But when it comes to small gang, missiles are fantastic.


Rattlesnake may do most of it's damage with drones, but it is still a missile boat, and it ruins the Mach and Vindi for mission running.

Caldari have no role, that is the point I am making.

(21) Moros
(6) Capsule
(14) Revelation
(14) Naglfar
(3) Unknown
(6) Archon
(54) Dominix
(1) Dominix Navy Issue
(1) Armageddon
(1) Manticore
(9) Muninn
(5) Celestis
(1) Ishkur
(5) Oneiros
(2) Sabre
(2) Crow
(1) Hound
(1) Damnation
(1) Exequror
(1) Claw
(1) Taranis
(2) Eris
(4) Broadsword
(1) Capsule - Genolutio...
(2) Guardian
(2) Stiletto
(3) Devoter
(1) Scimitar
(1) Lachesis
(1) Heretic
(1) Proteus

Here are the involved parties in pandemic legions latest Titan loss, can anyone see the obvious imbalance of power in which ships are selected to operate operationally on operations? When does CCP intend to address the issue with shield tanking, and missile users?

~snip~ -CCP Dolan

There's a rule in PvP: Missiles for show, guns for a pro.

In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well. Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

That's a really poor argument. You've broken HML but it's OK because you've also made changes to cruise missiles.

Guess we need a huge buff to the Ishtar also. There are none on the list.

Right now we all know the phoenix sucks for many things,

Idea:


4 highslots (3 turret, 3 missile) (make sure fitting 4 weapons isnt really viable)

Simple solution here really, train all ship types of all races and all weapon systems and you will always be prepared for the new meta.

Porblem solved, now throw me some isk.

So... let me get this straight

In your mind, one race is more powerfully statistically than the others in one playstyle

So your solution

Is to make a different race even more powerful statistically in that playstyle



The flaws in your reasoning are as apparent as the flaws in the logic of your solution

The Ishtar is in a VERY good position right now. It's arguably one of the best AHACS. Besides, we are discussing missiles and launcher here, not ships and hulls. :)

Why does the Phoenix have to be good at PVP?
Not every ship in the game is good at PVP.

Someone here has never fought against a stabber.

The point is valid. Most people won't admit it. They don't want to use missiles so they ignore the fact. And raven doctrines are rare and may have just been a phase. Name me one class of ship where caldari is the favored for pvp.

T3? Nope teng us are good but not favored. Bc? Nope maybe only the crow would be favored in its class. Anything dread and above caldari is a joke and everyone knows it.

Right now we all know the phoenix sucks for many things,

Idea:

Give players the option to choose between missiles or hybrid turrets, to differentiate it from the moros give it an optimal range bonus on the turrets (leave the dps bonus on the missiles)

Caldari Dreadnought Skill Bonus:

10% bonus to Capital Hybrid Turret optimal range
5% bonus to kinetic missile damage and 5% bonus to Capital Launcher rate of fire per skill level

4 highslots (3 turret, 3 missile) (make sure fitting 4 weapons isnt really viable)

Using examples of what one alliance fields in a few select fights doesn't really show much. In general, metrics show that missiles have certainly come down in popularity some since HML changes but overall they are still performing well.

The Phoenix is certainly not in a good place. We actually tried to do a pass on it a few patches back but couldn't get the tuning quite right so we decided to wait a little since there will be good opportunities to balance it alongside other changes that we have in mind.

Missiles gained some ground recently with Cruise changes and the addition of RHML. We want to do a few more things over the next few patches that will also impact missile balance, if that helps your outlook.

I just had the best idea. About the god damn Phoenix... It's a Caldari ship. What it needs, is capital ECM in its high slots. Capital AOE ECM modules. Holy ****, the aftermath... the rage... the excell sheets... the threadnaughts... This is the only way to fix the Phoenix.