i some how disagree.. missles seem to work for frigs and dessys(mostly) but yes other then those ships turrets seem to be better over all :|

Frigates and destroyers... that's it? So basically you mean rockets. That's 1/8 missile systems.

And light missiles. Such a wealth of choices...

How many Hawks or Coraxs have you seen running light missile launchers?

I don't measure quality by use. That's CCP's schtick. Light missile launchers are quite good at their intended purpose.

Yes, convincing players they should've trained into rockets intead.

Frigates and destroyers... that's it? So basically you mean rockets. That's 1/8 missile systems.

Welcome to how it was being Gallente trained a few years back. Now you Caldari guys get to spend some time in the wilderness....good luck.

Welcome to how it was being Gallente trained a few years back. Now you Caldari guys get to spend some time in the wilderness....good luck.

Is it so much to ask to have every faction be viable for the most part?

i think what would really help this, specifically for caldari ships, would be bonuses focused more on damage application instead of range. So, rather than having a really long range ship that doesnt apply well you could have a closer range ship with better application. Just my take.

think CCP should start with the Basic problems, before patching the wounds of induvidual missile problem.

The Basic problem is that missiles are static.

Turrets and Drones can easier adapt to changes, through a great choice of amunition, modules, rigs and even modules that are not directly turret related. (more agilty will make it easier to get your tranversal right) and piloting.

Missiles lack these modules /ammo choices (they "have"selectical damage, though most ships have there bonus on a speciic damage type, so in quite some occasions that is a paper bonus)/ and they will not profit from any form of damage aplication through launcher related modules (I consider the Web and TP directly related to the launchers)

So with every ballance adjustment it's much harder to adapt to changes with launchers/missiles that is is with turrets based weapons, due to the lack of options.

this works both way's they have the tendency to become very fast either O.P. or useless.

My sugestion to the Ballance Crew would be the following:

for now, finish ballancing the ships.

Then start redesigning missiles as a whole, so users can adapt to changes in the future.

Untill then please return the old RLML or make it a system next to the currrent system.


damage projection ballancing/the lack of adaptablility and the insane SP cost compared to turrets and drones are at this moment the biggest problems for making missiles a useful system.

Yes I believe this would help a lot. The Caldari ships atm seem to have too much range and crap damage application. It was this engagement range that made the Drake overpowered in large fleets I believe. Still tho maybe the way in which the damage is calculated could do with an overhaul I think, just adding damage application bonuses could be more like a duct tape fix but it would help small gang and solo a lot.

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3 Tengu 5,256
7 Manticore 3,086
6 Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher 1,770

No skill?

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3 Tengu 5,256
7 Manticore 3,086
6 Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher 1,770

No skill?

HML needs their raw damage buffed...since they got nerfed to hell and other medium guns got a huge buff.
500dps or so to cruisers would be nice if most of it would be applied.


And ofcourse more hulls with damage application bonuses, all other empires have ships that have tracking bonuses except for caldari that gets none besides the navy ships.

And hawk as light missile platform is quite good in fleets....but for small gangs/solo better go rockets because light missiles implies kiting and hawk is not the fastest AF out there.And with rockets u can take advantage of that shield boost bonus.

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3 Tengu 5,256
7 Manticore 3,086
6 Prototype 'Arbalest' Torpedo Launcher 1,770

No skill?

Dominix: 15,249 Kills, three times the next closest ship. Because "launch drones" and "attack targeted" from a stationary brick is the height of skilled game play.

As far as I'm concerned, missiles suck cause they're being compared to instant damage turrets. They need their flight speed boosted IMO, as well as maybe some base damage to compensate for the lead time. I'd say they'll keep getting worse, but heck, they're basically already a niche weapon as it is, used only in PVE and a select (very) small number of ships as a primary means of damage.

As far as I'm concerned, missiles suck cause they're being compared to instant damage turrets. They need their flight speed boosted IMO, as well as maybe some base damage to compensate for the lead time. I'd say they'll keep getting worse, but heck, they're basically already a niche weapon as it is, used only in PVE and a select (very) small number of ships as a primary means of damage.