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Hubris	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:09:00 - [1] As promised SNIGG has now delivered to the players of eve a peek of what a battle fighting 3 dreads and a bunch of battleships looks like. This is the thread for discusions about the battle. This could be footage of the most amount of isk being lost by any group in one engagement. At the end of the battle the kill count was: (in order of kill mail time) SNIGG killed Raven - battleship Dominix - battleship Phoenix - dreadnought Moros - dreadnought Revelation - dreadnought Apocalypse - battleship Capsule - uhm capsule Vogon Deconstruction Fleet killed Megathron - battleship Helios - covert ops A little bit of info when trying to kill a dread with a battleship, you will get stuck on the dread if you try to orbit it too close. Then die really quick when you are sitting still. Kinda funny way to loose a battleship by getting stuck on a dread. But hey what are you going to do. The original thread about this battle a little while ago ended in flames and a lock. To not let that happen to this one please keep the smack out of this thread. If a certain person starts it up again mods please leave the thread open and just "snip" them please. Thanks to the brave Sniggles that took the time to turn on fraps during a battle that could have killed them for doing so. www.eve-pirate.com is hosting this file for us so go check them out. DREAD KILLIN
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:11:00 - [2] ugh that is a horrible use of dreads ¼_¼ Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
Slink Grinsdikild	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:15:00 - [3] Nice
Leno	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:26:00 - [4] I'm confused who lost the dreads? vogon or snigg? --------------- RIP - Smoske, My Friend
slothe	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:42:00 - [5] Originally by: Leno I'm confused who lost the dreads? vogon or snigg? they edited it so its clear now, i did wonder myself tbh.
M00dy	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:48:00 - [6] Very Well Done.
Foobie	Posted - 2006.03.02 20:58:00 - [7] Way to go guys, you're teh kings. ______________________________________ I am the governor of Rens. And yes, I inhaled.
Hashim	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:14:00 - [8] Very impressive. It looked like a great fight. Well except for Ginger being in it. Casus belli
tiller	Posted - 2006.03.02 21:30:00 - [9] very good work.. maybe you guys might be worthy to operate in the same region as me now. maybe.... remember, uberness is earned not a god given right click me for free forum smiley tool www.smileypad.com
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.03 00:12:00 - [10] I didn't say it on Eve-Pirate.com, but omg that was AMAZING editing. My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
Hubris	Posted - 2006.03.03 00:48:00 - [11] Hey thanks guys it was really fun to make. Originally by: tiller very good work.. maybe you guys might be worthy to operate in the same region as me now. maybe.... Wooooot!!!!!!
Hubris	Posted - 2006.03.03 00:52:00 - [12] Originally by: Gray Carmicheal I didn't say it on Eve-Pirate.com, but omg that was AMAZING editing. i think you meant "see" not "say". But this is the link to the eve-pirate section about it here Linkage
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.03 00:53:00 - [13] Thats pretty damm good. Ive never actually firsed on a dread before, must be alot of fun! As to the vid; I liked the editing, but at the same time I didnt (yeah im cookoo), there is just something about it that doesnt seem right, but yet again it adds alot to what would be a boring vid of missile and turret spamming.
Hubris	Posted - 2006.03.03 01:15:00 - [14] Edited by: Hubris on 03/03/2006 01:15:32 Originally by: Zafriel Thats pretty damm good. Ive never actually firsed on a dread before, must be alot of fun! As to the vid; I liked the editing, but at the same time I didnt (yeah im cookoo), there is just something about it that doesnt seem right, but yet again it adds alot to what would be a boring vid of missile and turret spamming. The chunk of video in the middle is actually 19 minutes long regular speed. I sped it up or no one would have sat and watched the whole thing. It was a really long battle taking down just the 3 dreads. Capital armor reps give back an unbelievable amount of armor per cycle. Really the whole idea was to take over as many minutes of people lives as i could. The goal was for them to watch it twice. Thats 10 minutes of you life. HAHAHAHA, it just shows that I do have superhuman powers that allows me to waste 5 to 10 minutes of peoples lives I always knew I was superhuman
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:10:00 - [15] Edited by: Rasitiln on 03/03/2006 02:10:30 Many thanks to vogons for supplying the dreads. and being the best sports ever. That 1% was enough - Wrangler
SATAN	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:23:00 - [16] Nice results but the video drove me nuts. Should have kept it to a point, so I could feel as being there. The torpedo dread wasnt able to pop you?
Rasitiln	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:29:00 - [17] Originally by: SATAN Nice results but the video drove me nuts. Should have kept it to a point, so I could feel as being there. The torpedo dread wasnt able to pop you? the pheonix shot at our taranis for a little bit. I think later on he shot at our BSes but im not sure. That 1% was enough - Wrangler
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:31:00 - [18] Ugly video but cool strike. Shows how prenerfed ships suck. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Evil Edna	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:38:00 - [19] good kills but i think really it doesnt show that dread sucks, just that some pilots really dont deserve to have such things
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.03 02:44:00 - [20] Quote: but i think really it doesnt show that dread sucks, just that some pilots really dont deserve to have such things A dread is safe in a blob, yes. But 5 BS vs 5 dread...who will win??? The 5 dreads hit $hit while the 5 BS - if propper fitted sink 1 dread after the other. And it doesnt not mather what pilot sits inside i guess. Believe me: a dread is useless without a fleet to cover it and the SNIGGS show this here. Dreads are prenerfed and should not be used without carriers, BS support, webber HACs and a recon team. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
DeMundus	Posted - 2006.03.03 03:07:00 - [21] hmmm, what iam reading is, "my balls is this big..." pls be more creative....
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:41:00 - [22] Unfortunately, many of you here running your lips are quite ignorant of the circumstances in which this transpired, and are forming your opinion based on facts you yourself have fibritated. This video only depicts one aspect of the fight; the only aspect that really matters - the killing of the dreadnaughts. If it weren't for the shot at three juicy dreads, snigg never would have shown up. As such, this video is not of VGND vs SNIGG, it's of SNIGG killing three dreads. To fill the rest of you in on what actually happened, we(VGND) were tipped off to possibility of Ginger Magician running a POS in the area of Lermireve. Further inspection (you don't simply ignore information this good!) revealed Ginger not only ran a POS in Lermireve, but a network of POS (consisting of 2 small and 1 large tower). After much deliberation (more like Guy 1: "These POS belong to Ginger Magician"; Guy 2: "Lets blow them up!"; Everyone else: "Okay!"), we set a scheduled a time to commence operations. The day before the operation, we started moving our stronthium into system, right under Ginger's nose - infact, he tried chasing around one of our haulers to no avail a time or two(this alone made the operation worth it imho.) The final count for our forces were 16 pilots; 3 Dreadnaught pilots and 13 battleship support pilots(that's roughly 4 BS support for each dread, for those of you who have difficulty with maths.) This was the first time we'd used all three dreadnaughts at once, and I must say - they are incredible one you get a couple going. We were able to take all three of Ginger's POSes into reinforced mode in roughly 2 hours! The next day we return as each of the POS exit reinforced mode. The first small falls to a Moros with 2 BS support; also during the engagement there was one rather expensively fitted Megathron lost on behalf of mr Ginger Magician. The second, two hours later goes down, again only the Moros but this time with more BS support. Finally, the third and final tower, the large, comes out of reinforced mode. I think the showing for this was a little disappointing, I beleive we only had something to the tune of 9 pilots (3 Dreads, 6 BS) due to several of our pilots having other real life obligations to attend to. However, we proceeded all the same. Shortly after we had commenced the seige, SNIGG start filling up local. After a quick discussion on TS, we decide to leave the dreads in seige mode and fight tooth and nail; they will never be able to make it out of seige mode in time to warp out, they are unable to use their jump drives when warp scrambled, and just may be able, granted a long shot, might be able to hold out long enough to peel off enough of the attacking support ships to force SNIGG to retreat. This was of course assuming the tower would also attack the SNIGG pilots. Ultimately, we had no such luck. We were quite simply outclassed by SNIGG. Not only did SNIGG have us outnumbered (our 9 vs their 13), but they also had the POS guns on their side as Ginger had set SNIGG to positive standing after they agreed to his pleas to bail him out. Meanwhile, our support ships were set up in a quite funky, but effective (for POS tanking purposes, anyway) fashion that put us at a real disadvantage for actual combat. In addition, while the tanks on these things(the dreads) are absolutely incredible, SNIGG came prepared with a dread's worst nighmare: engery vampires and neutralizers. Jamming our support ships, they were easily able destroy the cap of each of our dreads' effectively rendering one after another 1.5bn paper weights. There was virtually no other possible outcome given the situation. We once again send grats out to SNIGG for fielding a rock solid offensive strike. We just wished you would have waited another 35 minutes or so and swooped in as Ginger's tower blew up in a glorious display of fireworks! This is not, in any shape or form, a flame of SNIGG although... [char limit ] Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.03 04:50:00 - [23] Edited by: Mesasone on 03/03/2006 04:51:14 ...just a few closing comments I couldn't fit in due to the char limit. This is not, in any shape or form, a flame of SNIGG although I have little doubt that some will try to interperate it as such. I am simply putting forth my account of the rest of the engagement, as I hope it will not only provide a good read, but quell the comments of the blissfully ignorant (ZOMG u shudnt be flyin dredz!!1). Other participants from either side feel free to make any additions. And, to the poster(lifewire) who displayed his disappointment of dread's performance and feels they have come pre-nerfed: I must say, that I feel it is quite the opposite. The perform incredibly well at what they are designed to do: seige starbases. They seem to be much, much more effective with more than one dreadnaught; two was nice, but three performed well above my expectations. Additionally, in the video the dreads are in seige mode, which accounts for their poor performance against battleships orbiting them at 5km. You can against Ginger about his encounter with our Moros in this rather expensively fitted megathron at his first tower, if you are curious about out of seige performance. Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Ajaya	Posted - 2006.03.03 07:02:00 - [24] Nicely done gentlemen, nicely done!
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2006.03.03 08:00:00 - [25] What Mesa said :D Dreads are siege machines, not super-battleships. With thre uses, large fleet support and POS removal and station capturing. That movie reminds me so much of taking out trebuchets with calvarly in Rome: Total War.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.03 09:36:00 - [26] LOL.Nice vid. Keep making excuses vogon.You screwed up and it has cost u very dear.Your corp is in tatters and significant numbers have left since this happened as well as the ongoing empire war against me. One point I would like to make is that I believe vogon only found out about my poses because a few days beforehand I actually had 4 pos in that system and was taking down one when one final module refused to unanchor and I had to ask for GM assistance.The GM took down the pos for me and there was only 3 left when vogon attacked.However as I know that most GMS have player accounts I cant help but wonder if this guy was a member of Vogon or otherwise informed people as to the location of my poses.This is obviously a cause for concern but to be honest the 2 small pos had paid for themselves during the time I had been running them and my losses were insignificant compared with the massive ones incurred by vogon and the enormous enjoyment of being there to watch the dreads go pop.
Zell	Posted - 2006.03.03 11:58:00 - [27] Originally by: Ginger Magician LOL.Nice vid. Keep making excuses .................and was taking down one when one final module refused to unanchor and I had to ask for GM assistance.The GM took down the pos for me Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.... "Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve." "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."
Lifewire	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:27:00 - [28] Quote: And, to the poster(lifewire) who displayed his disappointment of dread's performance and feels they have come pre-nerfed: I must say, that I feel it is quite the opposite. The perform incredibly well at what they are designed to do: seige starbases. I did not doubt that dreads are good at sieging starbases, but in fleet battles they are pretty useless big targets. We now have 3 dreads too and i feel quite unsafe with these ships. Dreads can be compared to war machines of the middle age like catapults: expensive to built and good at destroying a castles wall. The difference is: a catapult is also usefull in a field battle once it is set up. About a dread i am not sure if it will be of use. I really think without webber+painter support ships, dreads are next to be useless (in fleetbattles). However, thank you for letting the community participate in your experiences. Forum:http://www.tundragon.com/forum/ Movies:http://www.tundragon.com/pub/eveclips Killboard:http://www.tundragon.com/
Katamarino	Posted - 2006.03.03 12:47:00 - [29] Ginger you noob. I told them about your POS - I watched your alt playing around with one of them in a hauler So don't start blaming GMs abusing powers for your own inadequacies
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:14:00 - [30] Edited by: Mesasone on 03/03/2006 13:19:46 Originally by: Ginger Magician Your corp is in tatters and significant numbers have left since this happened as well as the ongoing empire war against me. W-hat? Ginger, since you have war decced us, we have only seen you a hand full of times. And, of those times, only once have you actually come out and fought. And, the one time you didnt sit, cowering in a station, you ended up pouting and smacking in local because you couldnt kill our one of ravens. Funny what happens when you're not shooting newbie ships, huh!? Also, Ginger, we have not lost a single member since your little war dec has been in place for I dont know how long now. I dont know what fantasy world you live in where you know the status of our members and wallet better than we do, but I guess you can keep living there for all I care. The rest of your message is so rediculous, I'm not even going to bother addressing it. Finally, my name is TomB and dont you forget it. It was me, and me alone who, with one swift swing of the nerf bat, rendered your megathron, and yours alone, useless against AFs! Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Zell	Posted - 2006.03.03 13:48:00 - [31] ROFL, another one.. I too have been war dec'd by the nublet ginger spice. Ive gotten countless emails re: you gonna die, end yourself, re-roll your char etc, and NOT once have i seen hide no hair of the fleabag. Its appearant now that hes spent his time mining ice, while beating his chest on forums for ganking indy, boasting his kill mail record while hiding behind the force field. Its too bad the dreads were lost spanking his whiney butt, but it also shows that he couldn't defend them himself, so he called in Snigg. I hope they charged him an arm and a leg for the service. At least i NOW KNOW where you have been hiding all these months while my agents worked feverishly to find you, and to Vorgon, id be happy to attend the next ginger-spank, and might even pay you myself to return. Oh and spare me the "you never log in poo response" or the "bring it" retoric, we both know when faced with a superior foe, the tail tucks, the GM calls go out, and the forum spamming begins.. You waste my bandwidth Your master, Zell "Ginger Magician is just a nublet. I've met more people ingame that have laughed about him, than anyone else in Eve." "A coward dies a thousand times, the brave die just once.."
Mujun Kross	Posted - 2006.03.03 14:05:00 - [32] Originally by: Ginger Magician LOL.Nice vid. Keep making excuses vogon.You screwed up and it has cost u very dear.Your corp is in tatters and significant numbers have left since this happened as well as the ongoing empire war against me. One point I would like to make is that I believe vogon only found out about my poses because a few days beforehand I actually had 4 pos in that system and was taking down one when one final module refused to unanchor and I had to ask for GM assistance.The GM took down the pos for me and there was only 3 left when vogon attacked.However as I know that most GMS have player accounts I cant help but wonder if this guy was a member of Vogon or otherwise informed people as to the location of my poses.This is obviously a cause for concern but to be honest the 2 small pos had paid for themselves during the time I had been running them and my losses were insignificant compared with the massive ones incurred by vogon and the enormous enjoyment of being there to watch the dreads go pop. That has to be some of the best fiction I have ever read. We have replaced one of the dreads already and we are waiting for the other two to come out of the production que. We have also added 2 more cap ships to our line up and have a couple more waiting in the production que. I think we have lost one member...he wanted to try different things and was not even involved in the pos take down. Our wallet is stronger than ever and still getting better everyday. I was calling the shots for VOGON that day. Once SNIGG started showing up in local I knew it was too late to get the dreads out. It takes way too long for them to come out of siege mode and once they do they would be scrambled so leaving was not an option. For example the revelation did come out of siege mode a couple of minutes after the fight started and he was jammed and scrammed almost immediately. I told him to go back into siege mode and ride it out...do what you can etc. SNIGG jumped right in on us and went to town...they took out one of our ravens almost immediately and I ordered the rest of the support ships to jump in and out. The intent was between the dreads, the POS and the warping in-and-out bs that we should be able to make them leave. Instead it was reported that the POS was not shooting at SNIGG and at that point i realized that we were out gunned to the point that we would not win this one. We kept warping in-and-out in the hopes that we might still be able to pull something off. I was not going to let the dreads go down without support. So we kept it up as long as possible...once the last dread was taken out I called a retreat on the remaing 3 battleships and we left the system. Our job was done I have not seen one thing come from ginger that had any amount of truth other than the fact that we lost our dreads. And we lost them to SNIGG not ginger. SNIGG did a good job takeing out the dreads and a couple of our bs...hats off to them. and your war gigner is a joke...you actually have to stay around for the fight to actually mean something. so far all we have seen is you hide in a station and smack in local.
Mujun Kross	Posted - 2006.03.03 14:24:00 - [33] just watched the vid and i have to say...well...i guess you cant be good at everything
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.03.03 16:54:00 - [34] That was nice, its also good to see Snigg and Vogon congratulating each other on a good fight, rather than just smacking away like Ginger would....
Pa1nbringr	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:12:00 - [35] must have been a pretty hair raising fight -
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:14:00 - [36] Hmm it makes much more sense after the account from the guy from vogon. Nice timing by snigg Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
Necrologic	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:18:00 - [37] Quote: Its too bad the dreads were lost spanking his whiney butt, but it also shows that he couldn't defend them himself, so he called in Snigg. I hope they charged him an arm and a leg for the service. Just to clarify, Ginger did not "call in Snigg." As far as i know we contacted him and said if he set us to high standing so the turrets didn't kill us we'd kill the dreads.
Stogee	Posted - 2006.03.03 17:26:00 - [38] It's threads like this which is why I love this game You don't see this kind of talk on other mmo forums :D
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:11:00 - [39] Thank you to the VDF guy for clearing it all, I did see the pos in the video, but was really unsure of how it "all went down". Ive seen some dreads in action, after a 1on1 being breached against one of our corp members we got some people with dreads to come to our system to whipe out the unhonerable players pos. Watching 5 of them take down all his pos was amazing to watch, a local smacktalker started a gripe; being abusive towards the dread pilots and warped back to his pos at long range to be one volleyed by a moros. So under the right setting they do perform amazingly well, your mistake was to continue to engage the pos even though your support ships were leaving/logging which it seems sniggerdly exploited to their gain. I cant help myself, I keep trying to find really good points with the video and I believe I found one: Its creative, but on the other hand, so is a house shaped like an egg!
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:14:00 - [40] Higher caliber players "for the most part". It's a game and most of us play it as if were. Just a few bad apples, but not enough to make eve a farce.
Emmerich Steiner	Posted - 2006.03.03 19:32:00 - [41] Too be fair to ginger he has sent his alt out "Cromar'lev?" to high sec where we have our corp HQ. He even docked up at the station I was at. But by the time I noticed he was there (was busy putting together my paper rifter) he took off and logged soon after that.
WeiShuBin	Posted - 2006.03.03 20:17:00 - [42] Originally by: Emmerich Steiner Edited by: Emmerich Steiner on 03/03/2006 19:14:34 In reference to stogee: Higher caliber players "for the most part". It's a game and most of us play it as if were. Just a few bad apples, but not enough to make eve a farce. Sorry I wasnt referring specifically to the quality of the thread. Rather that the design of Eve can give rise to such stories/situations. You know, as opposed to watching vids or reading stories about a group 60 players took down the mega npc spawn, or player made content that has nothing to do with the actual game. etc
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.04 01:48:00 - [43] Edited by: Mesasone on 04/03/2006 01:48:12 Originally by: Ginger Magician One point I would like to make is that I believe vogon only found out about my poses because a few days beforehand I actually had 4 pos in that system and was taking down one when one final module refused to unanchor and I had to ask for GM assistance.The GM took down the pos for me and there was only 3 left when vogon attacked. Oh, you're right... I forgot about your forth tower, sorry: Quote: P5 - Moon 14: Small Gall tower 2 - Moon Harvesting Arrays 1 - coupling array 1 - Med Rail 2 - small rail 1- small blaster P6 - moon 12 - Small Gall Tower 2 - small rails 2 - small blaster 1 - med rail 1 - med blaster 1 - coupling array 1 - silo 2 - Moon Harvesting Arrays 1 - scram battery P8 moon 4 - Small Gall Tower 1 - Small Rail 1 - Small Blaster 1 - Moon Harvesting Array 1 - Cruise Missile 1 - silo P8 moon 2 - Large Gall tower 1 - small rail 1 - small blaster 1 - medium blaster 1 - warp scram 1 - sensor damp 4 - Moon Harvesting Arrays 2 - med reactor 1 - reactor 3 - silo 3 - coupling array Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Christopher Multsanti	Posted - 2006.03.04 07:57:00 - [44] I would just like to say I was involved in this op on my third day in SNIGG! It was an amazing experience, a well planned and well executed op. I have also made a vid to keep as sort of a record for myself of what went down that night. Props to SNIGG and Vogon. The Dread Killers
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.04 09:47:00 - [45] OK a few points Zell - a pondlife who logs for 5 minutes a week and sits in station during those 5 mins but i cant fight ghosts.Nevertheless war will continue indefinately.Those who grief me in game or on forum will be hunted forever. Necro - I contacted Shamis for you guys to help me with Vogon and my alt was a member of the gang while this battle took place.I know you wanted me to keep quiet about this but after the disrespectful posts of your ceo any loyalty I might have shown to your corp has been lost.Why worry anyway this acheivement is undoubtedly your biggest publicity in EVE ever and I'm sure its a great recruiting sargeant.When u mess with the best everyone gets to hear about it. Emmerich - my alt did dock at your station but he was in hauler fitted with 4 local hulls.You should have come out of hiding lol.I guess u dont like being alone eh. Mesanone - your quote is unattributable - maybe that is your friendly GM speaking? plz clarify Katamarino - your post makes no sense and I believe it to be lies.If you had warped to any of my pos with a hauler u would have been instantly destroyed.To say u sat there watching me is ridiculous.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.04 10:02:00 - [46] Edited by: ParMizaN on 04/03/2006 10:02:44 Originally by: Ginger Magician but after the disrespectful posts of your ceo Originally by: Ginger Magician I find that VERY hard to believe. ....this acheivement is undoubtedly your biggest publicity in EVE ever.... uhhhmmmmm.. no? Originally by: Ginger Magician And one final point. When I posted on this thread just over 24hrs ago it had 1000 views.Now it has more than 2100.That is what fame means. No ginger, but this quote is EGO for you. The thread hs more views because ... uhh its been up longer? Surely people have to actually view he tread before they see youin it anyweay since your name isnt in the title. I know why i clicked this thread and trust me, kid, it has nothing to do with you. Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.04 10:11:00 - [47] Parmizan why do u dislike me so much? I have never even met u but u posted on almost every thread I post on? What is the point of it? Maybe your jealous of me I dont know.If you continue to post irrelevant rubbish on theads involving myself I will petition and declare war on your corp. Your quotes are made up and taken from different threads as well.
Yakti	Posted - 2006.03.04 10:34:00 - [48] Ginger, don't go treathening people like this! I petitioned you for accusing a GM to be involved, see how they will like that :)
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.04 10:39:00 - [49] Edited by: ParMizaN on 04/03/2006 10:40:58 Originally by: Ginger Magician Parmizan why do u dislike me so much? I have never even met u but u posted on almost every thread I post on? What is the point of it? Maybe your jealous of me I dont know.If you continue to post irrelevant rubbish on theads involving myself I will petition and declare war on your corp. Your quotes are made up and taken from different threads as well. Well it is because your ego is unfounded and your fame self proclaimed. Declare war on my corp if you wish. It does not worry me in the least. Also show me which of my qotes is made up, or are you lying? edit: and as for petitioning, i am allowed my viewpoint on the forums; and gms have nothing to do with forums really. Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.04 11:01:00 - [50] Edited by: Ginger Magician on 04/03/2006 11:01:53 OK enjoy the war. I will be petitioning u for harrassment on these forums as well. Enjoy your forum ban too.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.04 11:12:00 - [51] Originally by: Ginger Magician OK enjoy the war. I wll if i see you, which i doubt. Originally by: Ginger Magician I will be petitioning u for harrassment on these forums as well. I see no harassment Be sure to tell me how that turns out. Originally by: Ginger Magician Enjoy your forum ban too. You promise much. Originally by: Ginger Magician I wonder if you are Zell as well.Your avatars are quite similar.I ask CCP about that too. I dont know who zell is, but ccp cant tell you anyway. Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful I Luv Teh Parm!!1 - Imaran
moemoemoe	Posted - 2006.03.04 12:03:00 - [52] IMO the most impressive part about this is how the vogons behave, a whoppin' large "gg" to you guys for taking this huge hit so well. Awesome display of sportsmanship and maturity. One point though, the video itself is absolutely horrible. All this picture-in-picture stuff is confusing as hell, it's hard to see what's going on.
Gray Carmicheal	Posted - 2006.03.04 12:26:00 - [53] Originally by: Hubris Originally by: Gray Carmicheal I didn't say it on Eve-Pirate.com, but omg that was AMAZING editing. i think you meant "see" not "say". But this is the link to the eve-pirate section about it here Linkage No, no. Read the comments on the post. :) I meant Say. <3 My sig was CONCORDOKKENED. I blame Wrangler H4x.
MadGaz	Posted - 2006.03.04 14:11:00 - [54] Edited by: MadGaz on 04/03/2006 14:12:17 Seems like good timing indeed. Just gotta add a "lol" @ Gingernub aswell.
Katamarino	Posted - 2006.03.04 14:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Ginger Magician Katamarino - your post makes no sense and I believe it to be lies.If you had warped to any of my pos with a hauler u would have been instantly destroyed.To say u sat there watching me is ridiculous. Ginger, so you don't speak english? Your alt was in the hauler, I was in the Dominix trying to find your Mega (you logged), and I sat in system watching you on scan at your POS. Geez, you're simple minded
Jebidus Skari	Posted - 2006.03.04 15:26:00 - [56] Killing the dreads is cool and all BUT, I'm not so sure it was worth it to fuel the ego of the most annoying person in EVE
Zafriel	Posted - 2006.03.04 15:32:00 - [57] Originally by: Jebidus Skari Killing the dreads is cool and all BUT, I'm not so sure it was worth it to fuel the ego of the most annoying person in EVE Ginger aint the most annoying person in eve, the most annoying person in eve was that commander guy who kept saying that all pirates in FE were eve devs and that eve was a big experiment on how to upset all "normal and nice" people who play games. Tbh I used to find Ginger annoying, now I just find his posts amusing now that he has toned the chest beating down a bit. Infact he behaves exactly the way Tank did on the forums, and I used to love reading his arrogant egotistical threads, atleast Ginger dont rattle on every 5mins about how many sp he has
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.04 18:24:00 - [58] Ginger, that information is from our internal files. As such, I can not and will give you any 'proof' that we have it, nor who distributed it, however I will tell you that it is dated the 26th of January. I only posted it to acknowledge the existance of your fourth POS, confirming that we knew about it, and that you had taken one of your POS down between the time that we collected our intel and the time we initiated our attck. I dont know why you have to be so difficult Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Spathi	Posted - 2006.03.04 20:18:00 - [59] Edited by: Spathi on 04/03/2006 20:18:45 OMG I cant stop laughing at Ginger's posts.. I was there in a covops frapsing when VDF put those pos into re-enforced on the first day. Anyway, I dont think wardecs from ginger will make any difference since he packs low with stabs, likes to snipe newb ships and is currently (as far as I am aware) living in the lowsec pocket near Haine. I believe he is currently in Obalyu. As we see here, the wardecs mean absolutely nothing as he never actually goes hunting the dec'd corp. However, if the corps he has dec'd on want to go find him and let him actually do some war'ing on you, go to Obalyu.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.04 20:59:00 - [60] Yes plz all come to obalyu.I have like 200 kills of 9th fleet noobs so they could do with the help
enjoi	Posted - 2006.03.04 23:13:00 - [61] Originally by: Ginger Magician Yes plz all come to obalyu.I have like 200 kills of 9th fleet noobs so they could do with the help As far as I'm aware you ganked one of my corpies about 2 months ago, who was a relative noob. Then you decided it was time to leave, when we had your ged scrammed for about 6 . Oooooh, ginger likes teh stabs huh? Nice. show's how much you expect to die. You have been in our operational area once, and made one kill on us. And this was before the alliance was formed. Go float your ego over somewhere else, because tbh, no-one gives a damn, or believes a word you say.
Yakti	Posted - 2006.03.06 12:16:00 - [62] Originally by: Ginger Magician Edited by: Ginger Magician on 04/03/2006 11:09:50 Edited by: Ginger Magician on 04/03/2006 11:01:53 OK enjoy the war. I will be petitioning u for harrassment on these forums as well. Enjoy your forum ban too. Where is the war? Where is the petition? Where is the ban? :) Nublet
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.03.06 12:57:00 - [63] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 06/03/2006 13:02:36 Originally by: Ginger Magician LOL.Nice vid. Keep making excuses vogon.You screwed up and it has cost u very dear.Your corp is in tatters and significant numbers have left since this happened as well as the ongoing empire war against me. One point I would like to make is that I believe vogon only found out about my poses because a few days beforehand I actually had 4 pos in that system and was taking down one when one final module refused to unanchor and I had to ask for GM assistance.The GM took down the pos for me and there was only 3 left when vogon attacked.However as I know that most GMS have player accounts I cant help but wonder if this guy was a member of Vogon or otherwise informed people as to the location of my poses.This is obviously a cause for concern but to be honest the 2 small pos had paid for themselves during the time I had been running them and my losses were insignificant compared with the massive ones incurred by vogon and the enormous enjoyment of being there to watch the dreads go pop. IIRC, Vogon posted a log in which your alt was begging for your POS's not to be destroyed. Equally, you posted that you could have single-handedly also taken out the SNIGG forces that turned up. And now, you're accusing the GMs of exploiting their position? Edit: just read the other two pages. ROFLCOPTER. I think the only person heading for an exploit/forum ban/petition is Ginger.
Xanataures	Posted - 2006.03.19 11:32:00 - [64] Props to snigg, I was there that day, and for Ginger. VLINC has killed you and what do you know, a full set of stabs fell out. If you think you are l33t carryin 425's, t2 ammo and a cloak w/ stabs is hardley leet, just shows how scared you are of your own lack of ability.
Corgon	Posted - 2006.03.19 12:06:00 - [65] Good detailed post by Mesasone. Nice to see a corp using the Dreads in force... Shame you were short on support ships, bad luck on that . Personally if I could afford a Dread I would hope for atleast 10 BS class ships per Dread for protection againt smaller energy suckers, jammers etc. Well done to Snigg for good tactics, although it wasn't made so clear that the POS towers were in your favour and the other guy had little support. Good hit nonetheless guys. Ginger... no need for the flaming, you don't come accross too good in this post. Let the good time role!
Sally Ho	Posted - 2006.03.19 12:28:00 - [66] Production values! Did George Lucas himself make this EPIC of cinematic history? :) But really, jolly good show, my only snag was the lack of a long full size view during the middle part, I would have liked to see the battle in more detail. And, oh yeah the balance between ship clasess in this game is pretty well thought out, its obvious that you will always need plenty of backup from all ship classes if u want to protect your nice new toy, incidentally, we've been taking down cruisers with frigates, the same applies here. Proper game balance FTW!
Alita Tiphares	Posted - 2006.03.19 22:56:00 - [67] that video was pathetic.. nice kills but seriously, dont ever make a video again please. EVER.
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2006.03.20 00:35:00 - [68] Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 20/03/2006 00:37:57 Originally by: Ginger Magician And one final point. When I posted on this thread just over 24hrs ago it had 1000 views.Now it has more than 2100.That is what fame means. Face it Ginger, without Snigg you couldnt have done it a thing against Vogon... You are partially right though, youre pretty well known for being a total idiot. ------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
kessah	Posted - 2006.03.20 01:58:00 - [69] Let him waste the isk Parm. The amount of times ive been threatened "Im coming after you and il pop you blah blah" i used to think sweet, but it never happens. None of em can ever be bothered once they have calmed down. Ginger is an absolute attention seeking git but he likes it that way, cant be bothered with him no more, old news. Let him post his Ginger Threads with his alts Just dont mention him. Best way to quell an attention seeker, ignore him. BTW nice job on the dreads snigg. --------------------------------------------------------
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.20 03:35:00 - [70] this thread is still going? o.O Anyway, I think some of you might like this version of the video a little better. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=302556 Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Hubris	Posted - 2006.03.20 05:44:00 - [71] Originally by: Mesasone this thread is still going? o.O Anyway, I think some of you might like this version of the video a little better. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=302556 Yes this guy did not answer the call to upload video of the battle. Too bad because if I would have had this video with the others I could have made a much better video. I worked with what I had. If you don't like it then eat P00.....
Talthrus	Posted - 2006.03.20 06:51:00 - [72] Impressive work SNIGG. Also - my hat goes off to Vogon for how this has been handled. It's nice to see a minimal amount of smack for such a fight. Hope you all had fun - looked like it was a blast. ----------------------
Kuolematon	Posted - 2006.03.20 10:01:00 - [73] Ginger Nub, any change for wardeck me too? No wait, we don't like loggers Unnerf Amarr!! "Save yourselves........sell out and NAP the 5" ¬ gfasobek
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.20 20:23:00 - [74] Originally by: Kuolematon Ginger Nub, any change for wardeck me too? No wait, we don't like loggers Actually I dont play very much now.And catching forum warriors is pretty hard unfortunately.
Trey Azagthoth	Posted - 2006.03.20 20:28:00 - [75] Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Kuolematon Ginger Nub, any change for wardeck me too? No wait, we don't like loggers Actually I dont play very much now.And catching forum warriors is pretty hard unfortunately. Especially when they are stabbed up all the time
Sister 9	Posted - 2006.03.21 02:07:00 - [76] Originally by: Ginger Magician LOL.Nice vid. Keep making excuses vogon.You screwed up and it has cost u very dear.Your corp is in tatters and significant numbers have left since this happened as well as the ongoing empire war against me. One point I would like to make is that I believe vogon only found out about my poses because a few days beforehand I actually had 4 pos in that system and was taking down one when one final module refused to unanchor and I had to ask for GM assistance.The GM took down the pos for me and there was only 3 left when vogon attacked.However as I know that most GMS have player accounts I cant help but wonder if this guy was a member of Vogon or otherwise informed people as to the location of my poses.This is obviously a cause for concern but to be honest the 2 small pos had paid for themselves during the time I had been running them and my losses were insignificant compared with the massive ones incurred by vogon and the enormous enjoyment of being there to watch the dreads go pop. he's so cute sometimes
CardboardSword42	Posted - 2006.03.21 02:18:00 - [77] Originally by: Trey Azagthoth Originally by: Ginger Magician Originally by: Kuolematon Ginger Nub, any change for wardeck me too? No wait, we don't like loggers Actually I dont play very much now.And catching forum warriors is pretty hard unfortunately. Especially when they are stabbed up all the time I don't think anyone will have to worry about Ginger catching anyone as I don't think he'll recover from being crushed by roughly ten tons of pure irony. Your Sig is to large, please read the forum rules - Ductoris
Hesed	Posted - 2006.03.21 18:13:00 - [78] I'm a little surprised that formations of turret dreads aren't more effective. I'd have thought that between the moros making life hell for the little guys, the turret Dreads could park 40-80km from one another and make life hell for any BS that approaches one or tries to snipe. A Dread can't defend itself very well, but I have little doubt that it can defend another against all but a fleet. Even then, that fleet would take heavy losses. I think the point is made obvious that there is little point in achieving a single Dread, unless you are going to have support ships on hand and only wish to take on medium towers with it. Of course, once you've got a dread, it's much easier to replace.
Daikatana00	Posted - 2006.03.21 19:59:00 - [79] Edited by: Daikatana00 on 21/03/2006 20:02:58 Originally by: Xanataures Props to snigg, I was there that day, and for Ginger. VLINC has killed you and what do you know, a full set of stabs fell out. If you think you are l33t carryin 425's, t2 ammo and a cloak w/ stabs is hardley leet, just shows how scared you are of your own lack of ability. Stabs are tatical equipment....a full set of lows on an armor tank may be a bit much but they are still viable tactical equipment and require more skill to actually get a kill with. I'm sorry to let the denizens of EVE know about this secret of modern warfare: gurrilla works. Its been proven throughout history that a larger army will moan endlessly until well after the war is over about "honor" and "fair fights" but it never changes the fact that it is the most effective form of combat vs larger groups. So please don't complain because of that. Lets examine his fitting that you claim he was using: 425s--weapons (everyone has them or they wouldn't be much of a fight) T2 ammo--good ammo (superior more power per hit, a mainstay of armed warfare) Cloak--tactical positioning (they used to say the same about camoflage...bright-colored unifroms FTW!) Stabilizers--mobility (we really should just line up and shoot at each other) As far as his setup goes, it seems to be close to an appropriate setup for any person/corp relying on fast tactical strikes rather than warp in and shoot until everyone on one side of this line is dead. I'm sorry that he doesn't subscribe to the particular brand of war preferred by EVE players which seems to involve the majority of tactics that have been outdated since World War I. He may be the worst player in all of EVE but its not entirely due to his ship setup. BTW: Ginger... as well as the people complaining about him... please stop the forums as a method of personal attack, it gets you nowhere. Forums should be places to debate ideas and share events, not attack or defend people. Originally by: Daikatana00 EVE, like life, is a great journey and not a destination... don't trust any signs saying "Fun: 3 km. --->"
Johnny Wiseacre	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:16:00 - [80] Well said Dai
Kaeten	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:58:00 - [81] I dunno if this was after this incident but red lost like 10 dreads in 1 engagement or something. Second image removed, please only use one image in your signature - Petwraith - :( ingameboard.asp?a=topic&th
Narciss Sevar	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:37:00 - [82] It was more of about the ammount of ships needed to get the kills. ---- May the gods of piracy guide me to your belt...
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2006.03.21 21:39:00 - [83] Originally by: Kaeten I dunno if this was after this incident but red lost like 10 dreads in 1 engagement or something. This happened a month before that.
Mesasone	Posted - 2006.03.21 23:38:00 - [84] Originally by: Hesed I'm a little surprised that formations of turret dreads aren't more effective. I'd have thought that between the moros making life hell for the little guys, the turret Dreads could park 40-80km from one another and make life hell for any BS that approaches one or tries to snipe. A Dread can't defend itself very well, but I have little doubt that it can defend another against all but a fleet. Even then, that fleet would take heavy losses. I think the point is made obvious that there is little point in achieving a single Dread, unless you are going to have support ships on hand and only wish to take on medium towers with it. Of course, once you've got a dread, it's much easier to replace. Er... not sure how much of the thread you read, but you either do not read very far into it, or did not comprehend what happened. You are right that a Dread can unleash some serious damage from afar, however SNIGG had a covert ops pilot warp them in, directly ontop of our dreadnaughts. On top of that, the lock time on a dreadnaught is somewhere in the vincinity of 45 seconds for a battleship while in seige mode(and, as previously stated the dreads were left in seige mode for reasons already explained), as such a BS simply has to warp out and back in to break the lock and force the dread to go through another 45+ second locking time. The lack of support ships was largely due to the fact that we never expected anyone, especially s******ly, to have aided Ginger in any fashion. It is obvious that we under-estiminated bloodlust three dreadnaughts will bring out :P Anyhow, I think I'm arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. As such, I'll shut up ... for now. Silly mods, sigs are for wabbits.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2006.03.22 02:59:00 - [85] Congrats to Snigg....Although I know...or at least knew a few members of Vogon, the results you got were definitley impressive. As to Ginger...you have a lot of yap, for someone that had to be bailed out of the ****. I'd just give up and admit you suck
HadHaFangs	Posted - 2006.03.22 03:48:00 - [86] Very nice battle, however not the "most isk lost in one day award for dreads" goes to Red Alliance for losing 11 Dreads and one Large Tower to -V-, LV, KOS, Chimp & Smash
s4mp3r0r	Posted - 2006.03.22 08:34:00 - [87] aw ... why did snigg have to side with ginger nublet :S That makes baby panda's sad :( Snig should have shot down ginger nublets POS's then killed the dreads, that would have been even more impressive. Congrats on the dread kills tho. By Squize dec 10th when -V- signed a NAP with TFE: Originally by: Squize Originally by: Omeega Omeega damn it i saw this one come big like a pink elephant in a corridor! Nostradamus, is that you ?
Sanka Cofie	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:27:00 - [88] I hereby move to rename this thread the Everyone Point and Laugh at Ginger thread. someone care to 2nd that motion?
Daikatana00	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:35:00 - [89] Originally by: Sanka Cofie I hereby move to rename this thread the Everyone Point and Laugh at Ginger thread. someone care to 2nd that motion? Motion not seconded due to sheer uselesness of that course of action. Could we please move away from personal attacks and leave Ginger outta this unless you happen to be talking about his actions in this video? Nice video BTW. It may help eliminate solo dreads (with the help of misc. battleship fleets all over EVE). Just please.. for [insert deity here]'s sake find someone else to edit the next one for you (not that I can say I have anything better to show). The above post does not reflect the views of any corp or alliance I may be in. If you have a problem with me or my opinion feel free to take it up with me, not my corp/alliance.
Ginger Magician	Posted - 2006.03.30 11:18:00 - [90] Well just a little update on these tumultuous events for those interested. When VOGON decided to have their little adventure in Lermievre they had approx 100 members in their corp.It is now a little over a month later after the dreads loss and the continuing empire war being waged by octobersnow corp. I wont tell u how many members they have now but enter Vogon deconstruction fleet in the search function of your p&p.CEO is still rocky spaceman btw who dont play atm .It makes very interesting reading. This is what happends when u mess with the best.Whatever u have,however much isk,however many members u have,no matter what alliance u have,no matter how many GM's are helping u,YOU LOSE EVE.
Estoramus	Posted - 2006.03.30 11:38:00 - [91] Originally by: Ginger Magician This is what happends when u mess with the best. So are you classing yourself as the best in Eve? Maybe the best... ...but the best what? Suggestions anyone?
Alliaanna Dalaii	Posted - 2006.03.30 11:49:00 - [92] Originally by: Estoramus Originally by: Ginger Magician This is what happends when u mess with the best. So are you classing yourself as the best in Eve? Maybe the best... ...but the best what? Suggestions anyone? Best Ego in eve definatly. Best forum whiner to not get banned Best at sniping shuttles ? Alliaanna Official Follower of =-= Royal Hiigaran Navy =-=
Katya Minari	Posted - 2006.03.30 12:41:00 - [93] Originally by: Ginger Magician Well just a little update on these tumultuous events for those interested. When VOGON decided to have their little adventure in Lermievre they had approx 100 members in their corp.It is now a little over a month later after the dreads loss and the continuing empire war being waged by octobersnow corp. I wont tell u how many members they have now but enter Vogon deconstruction fleet in the search function of your p&p.CEO is still rocky spaceman btw who dont play atm .It makes very interesting reading. This is what happends when u mess with the best.Whatever u have,however much isk,however many members u have,no matter what alliance u have,no matter how many GM's are helping u,YOU LOSE EVE. Wow. There is truly a fine line between a madman and a genious.
Usul Faust	Posted - 2006.03.31 10:44:00 - [94] Edited by: Usul Faust on 31/03/2006 10:44:14 Originally by: Ginger Magician Well just a little update on these tumultuous events for those interested. When VOGON decided to have their little adventure in Lermievre they had approx 100 members in their corp.It is now a little over a month later after the dreads loss and the continuing empire war being waged by octobersnow corp. I wont tell u how many members they have now but enter Vogon deconstruction fleet in the search function of your p&p.CEO is still rocky spaceman btw who dont play atm .It makes very interesting reading. This is what happends when u mess with the best.Whatever u have,however much isk,however many members u have,no matter what alliance u have,no matter how many GM's are helping u,YOU LOSE EVE. You ċrack me up no skills, just luck.
Sterkur	Posted - 2006.03.31 16:12:00 - [95] 40 vs 7? Please.

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