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Nalelmir Ahashion Viziam Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:17:00 - [1] - Quote as I'm less then a year in eve I try new activities from time to time. at any rate tried some exploration lately and it's lots of fun.. roaming around the universe and finding stuf etc... but... High sec exploration is plain bad.. just horrible reward wise. First we got anomalies which are around L1 mission without stnadings or LP. then we got combat sites which are about L2 or something like that without LP or standings. both of those are pretty annoying as the drops sucks big time best thing I got was 10 mil laser turret and that's about it. I was very excited when I got my first data and archaeology sites but god they are bad.... the hacking mini game is nice but truly only way to fail it is on purpose, then some cans sprays around and if you had cargo scanner before you at least knows what and try to get first but well... each one of those netted me less then 300 k :X even while I was mining in 1.0 with venture and 24 h mining skills I made more isk then that and without the hassle of scanning, also while on belts mining I get officer rat once in a while which sometimes drops implants and other goodies worth 100s of millions all while having fun pooling rocks easily. Security and other missions are easy enough on high sec and you get LP + Standings which both are rewards in their own. Trading will net a lot lot lot more then exploration. so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? I mean I do mining get my plex and some goodies then do my exploration roaming just for the experience but rewards sucks. "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Rayo Atra Sky Fighters 17	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:21:00 - [2] - Quote you can find some so-so high sec explo. at least sites like the serp-phi outpost would regularly drop faction mods. at the same time the sites are easy as hell, and there is relatively no risk. highsec blows is why it sucks. :] i realize that's a lot of stimulation for one post. I dont know what kind of weird sht you're into lady, but if you dont pee in the hippos how the hell do you know who serves first!? -á*
Lucille Werner 2	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:24:00 - [3] - Quote Nabbed about 350m isk in sansha space last night, several DED sites and various escelations, Had to finish an escelation in low, but it doesnt seem that bad at all.
Nalelmir Ahashion Viziam Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:27:00 - [4] - Quote @Lucille Werner that was in highsec? "What's worse than a foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother? A foul-mouthed eight-year-old constantly claiming he's had relations with your mother who thinks he's a gangser, that's what." --áAaron Birch
Lucille Werner 2	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:37:00 - [5] - Quote All but the last stage of one escelation, I was south of amarr, found about 5-6 DED sites, 4 or so unrated that had 2 escelations (one didnt give me jack ****)
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 2323	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:42:00 - [6] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? I mean I do mining get my plex and some goodies then do my exploration roaming just for the experience but rewards sucks. Risk vs. reward.
Pinky Hops Spartan's DNA Apex. 94	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:43:00 - [7] - Quote I am a heavy duty explorer. I do it a ton. I think the main reason highsec has crappy exploration rewards is to entice you to do it in lowsec/nullsec. It can be risky, but generally only if you are new to it. If you know what you are doing and have some experience, it's really quite safe and your chances of death are close to 0 in deep nullsec. It's an active job though. Not something you can do "passively."
Abdiel Kavash Paladin Order Fidelas Constans 2135	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:50:00 - [8] - Quote Why are the [insert WoW starting area name] quest rewards so horrible?
Ivan Krividus Straightedge and Compass Industrial 32	Posted - 2013.12.05 01:55:00 - [9] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: as I'm less then a year in eve I try new activities from time to time. at any rate tried some exploration lately and it's lots of fun.. roaming around the universe and finding stuf etc... but... High sec exploration is plain bad.. just horrible reward wise. First we got anomalies which are around L1 mission without stnadings or LP. then we got combat sites which are about L2 or something like that without LP or standings. both of those are pretty annoying as the drops sucks big time best thing I got was 10 mil laser turret and that's about it. I was very excited when I got my first data and archaeology sites but god they are bad.... the hacking mini game is nice but truly only way to fail it is on purpose, then some cans sprays around and if you had cargo scanner before you at least knows what and try to get first but well... each one of those netted me less then 300 k :X even while I was mining in 1.0 with venture and 24 h mining skills I made more isk then that and without the hassle of scanning, also while on belts mining I get officer rat once in a while which sometimes drops implants and other goodies worth 100s of millions all while having fun pooling rocks easily. Security and other missions are easy enough on high sec and you get LP + Standings which both are rewards in their own. Trading will net a lot lot lot more then exploration. so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? I mean I do mining get my plex and some goodies then do my exploration roaming just for the experience but rewards sucks. Highsec exploration is fine. Yes, anomalies suck ass, but their escalations still give excellent loot. Too bad the last 3 escalations i had happened to spawn in Hek. wtf. Anyway, you can also scan down WHs in hisec, and with mobile depots combined with locus analyzer subsystem on a t3 (tractor beam bonus that no one notices) you can run solo WHs with just the t3 cruiser and even salvage extremely well with it. I often just head into some random hole, set up my depot, run a site or two, and refit tractors and salvagers. Makes lots of money quite fast, even in a measly C2
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 369	Posted - 2013.12.05 02:01:00 - [10] - Quote A gurista scout outpost (ded 4, highsec), has the pithum c-type loot table, which is twice as valuable as the gurista military operations complex (ded 7, nullsec), which has the undesirable pith c-type loot table. Not only that, you get 3 rolls at the faction loot table in both encounters, and the GSO can be cleared in 10 minutes, where as MOC takes more like an hour solo, and finding multiple GSOs in one session is easier too - so its easier to average out the "nothing dropped" runs. ie the value of exploration is all about seeking the right thing, whatever sec you are in.
EI Digin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 1461	Posted - 2013.12.05 02:30:00 - [11] - Quote Do you like exploration? Or do you actually like the money that comes from it?
SurrenderMonkey Space Llama Industries 300	Posted - 2013.12.05 04:00:00 - [12] - Quote Frankly, high sec exploration rewards are too good, if anything. High sec rewards, in general, are too good.
Ptraci 3 R Corporation Boarderline Cartel 1424	Posted - 2013.12.05 04:04:00 - [13] - Quote Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? You would think that people would be able to take the hint. It's so bad because CCP doesn't want you to stay in highsec grinding forever. It's their way of encouraging you to explore, take risks, and reap greater rewards for those risks. High sec is basically a "starter area" that is very badly abused by some players who refuse to ever leave it. So every once in a while, high sec rewards (especially mission rewards) are nerfed to try to discourage endless virtually risk free mission farming. Take a chance! You might like it. EvE is a multi-player game and you will need to interact with others and make friends if you want to survive outside of high sec. That's the whole point.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 369	Posted - 2013.12.05 04:55:00 - [14] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? You would think that people would be able to take the hint. It's so bad because CCP doesn't want you to stay in highsec grinding forever. It's their way of encouraging you to explore, take risks, and reap greater rewards for those risks. High sec is basically a "starter area" that is very badly abused by some players who refuse to ever leave it. So every once in a while, high sec rewards (especially mission rewards) are nerfed to try to discourage endless virtually risk free mission farming. Take a chance! You might like it. EvE is a multi-player game and you will need to interact with others and make friends if you want to survive outside of high sec. That's the whole point. CCP doesn't actually give any such hint. The GSO is after accounting for time taken to find them, and time taken to complete them, one of the most lucrative solo farming strategies in the game. ie the market determines whether or not the encounter is valuable.
Lipbite Express Hauler 1537	Posted - 2013.12.05 04:57:00 - [15] - Quote CCP want you to go to low/null and become someone's PvP content because they don't want to add content themselves.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 369	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:00:00 - [16] - Quote Lipbite wrote: CCP want you to go to low/null and become someone's PvP content because they don't want to add content themselves. and they gave us T3s, sisters ships, covops, and mobile depots to do it with.
I Love Boobies All Hail Boobies 755	Posted - 2013.12.05 05:39:00 - [17] - Quote Get a T3, go to null or low sec. Set your ship up right, you won't get caught. Mind you though, exploration pretty much sucks everywhere. I have been all around null and low, but hardly find anything worthwhile because everyone is doing it these days since they took out the rats in the exploration sites, making them all that much easier than before. Sure, you get lucky once in a while, but a majority of the stuff is crap, not worth the time and trouble in finding it.
Aramatheia Tiffany and Co. 119	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:25:00 - [18] - Quote i don think highsec exploration is meant to be high reward, i think its more of a place to learn how it works, get good then move to other riskier locations if exploring really takes your fancy That said i got half a bil from a 4/10 in highsec once, luck of the draw i suppose
Starbuck05 The Mjolnir Bloc B O R G 60	Posted - 2013.12.05 06:26:00 - [19] - Quote 2 reasons: 1). Risk=reward. Hs has no risk therefor crap reward. 2). Market saturation(or what ever the proper therm is) because sites are a plenty and every player and his dog are doing them the market is flooded so prices droped. -á- I am the commanding officer , u should adress me as sir ! -á- But if i call u sir , what would i call your wife then ??
Lugalbandak Anunnaku Warfare Corp. 268	Posted - 2013.12.05 07:00:00 - [20] - Quote easy , its high sec. low en null gives better reward , you dint come up this yourself? The police horse is the only animal in the world that haz his male genitals on his back
Moneta Curran Lunar Industries Ltd 224	Posted - 2013.12.05 07:32:00 - [21] - Quote Because high sec is stupid and you need to gtfo of there, so we can start violencing your boats.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai 2655	Posted - 2013.12.05 07:59:00 - [22] - Quote Ptraci wrote: Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? You would think that people would be able to take the hint. It's so bad because CCP doesn't want you to stay in highsec grinding forever. It's their way of encouraging you to explore, take risks, and reap greater rewards for those risks. High sec is basically a "starter area" that is very badly abused by some players who refuse to ever leave it. So every once in a while, high sec rewards (especially mission rewards) are nerfed to try to discourage endless virtually risk free mission farming. Take a chance! You might like it. EvE is a multi-player game and you will need to interact with others and make friends if you want to survive outside of high sec. That's the whole point. CCP also doesn't takes a hint that a majority of players eventually understand that they're being forced to play a certain way and thus they leave hisec through the unsub door. The Greater Fool Bar is now open for business, 24/7. Come and have drinks and fun somewhere between RL and New Eden!
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 370	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:06:00 - [23] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Ptraci wrote: Nalelmir Ahashion wrote: so why exploration rewards on high sec so bad ? You would think that people would be able to take the hint. It's so bad because CCP doesn't want you to stay in highsec grinding forever. It's their way of encouraging you to explore, take risks, and reap greater rewards for those risks. High sec is basically a "starter area" that is very badly abused by some players who refuse to ever leave it. So every once in a while, high sec rewards (especially mission rewards) are nerfed to try to discourage endless virtually risk free mission farming. Take a chance! You might like it. EvE is a multi-player game and you will need to interact with others and make friends if you want to survive outside of high sec. That's the whole point. CCP also doesn't takes a hint that a majority of players eventually understand that they're being forced to play a certain way and thus they leave hisec through the unsub door. What way are you forced. You can wardec if you want to fight, you can mission, you can probe, you can PI, you can mine, you can run a pos, you can build stuff, and you can space truck. They've even given you POCOs so you too can enjoy the pleasures of structure bashing. All that is different is I get an "a" instead of a "c" when the loot drops, and there are more battleships in here, which makes no difference when I'm using a cruiser that sig tanks pretty much any number of battleships anyway, and is the same size / firepower as what I used for highsec exploration.
RAW23 571	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:35:00 - [24] - Quote Most people in this thread are just lazily repeating tired platitudes and not replying to the actual question. The question is not 'why are high-sec exploration rewards low in comparison to low and null sec' but 'why are high-sec exploration rewards low in comparison to other high-sec activities'. Banging the risk/reward drum doesn't answer this one (although a few of the replies have been more enlightening). There are two types of EVE player: those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
Orravan Beautiful Losers 16	Posted - 2013.12.05 08:42:00 - [25] - Quote Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: CCP also doesn't takes a hint that a majority of players eventually understand that they're being forced to play a certain way and thus they leave hisec through the unsub door. It's not CCP' fault but their own. These players didn't understand what Eve is about to begin with. They are not more "forced to play a certain way" than they are "forced" to shoot and being shot in a FPS game. It's just what the game is about. Eve has always been that way, a pvp game by essence, where rewards are equivalent to the risks taken. And that's what made it a successful game, actually. And to be honest, HighSec and PvE has been boosted a lot on the last 10 years. You obviously don't realize how profitable and secure HighSec is right now, given the nature of Eve. Finicky diplomat. Suicidal explorer. Faithful ally.
Cheng Musana Purple Space Ponys AAA Citizens 30	Posted - 2013.12.05 09:24:00 - [26] - Quote Highsec is not supposed to be a insane source of income. Thats why you only get the lower end sites there. However sansha relic sites drop tripped power circuits and armor plates. both decent income for ISK.
Vicky Somers Rusty Anchor 200	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:10:00 - [27] - Quote When it comes to exploration and reward:risk ratio, lowsec is the best and most fun place. You can move around freely and never get blown up if you do the basics of pvp right like watch local, d-scan and not poop yourself on a gate with reds. Most of lowsec if fairly empty. There are no bubbles. The sites can be very rewarding and most don't require much in terms of firepower and tank. The biggest threat you'll encounter in lowsec is other explorers, which doesn't happen very often. So yeah, just find a nice and quiet cluster of lowsec systems and go explore there. Moderate strength is shown in violence, supreme strength is shown in levity.
Paul Otichoda Electric Sun Associates 77	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:11:00 - [28] - Quote My main problem with low/null combat sites is that they seem to be only able to be done by BS or heavy assault cruisers, which are very expensive and I don't have the money to waste on a BS that might get blown up before I cover it costs and I can't yet use heavy assault cruisers. So either way I'm stuck with high sec combat sites.
Erotica 1 Krypteia Operations CODE. 2788	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:19:00 - [29] - Quote Try exploring a highsec gate with some friends. It's amazing what kind of loot drops jump in right in front of you on a regular basis. All you have to do is shoot the unarmed freighter within the allotted time before Concord ends your mission. See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Seraph Essael Devils Diciples League of Infamy 207	Posted - 2013.12.05 10:25:00 - [30] - Quote Here, take a look at this. DED3's and DED4's in hisec are pretty good loot, especially if the DED module (sometimes modules) drops in them. Also dont just always assume the sites are crap because nothing is in the loot. Sometimes you have to kill things in a specific order so that the commander will spawn or shoot certain structures etc. In my first few months of Eve I made an absolute killing off the hisec DED sites. Bounties, loot, salvage and DED modules all added up an I had 2.7 billion in ISK. After 3 months of playing and still being a newbie, thats pretty good. I have of course got considerably less now though, as I'm Eve poor again (I need to run some more at somepoint). Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."

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