No it isn't. The "design paradigm" revolves around the concept of risk vs. reward

GǪand the idea was that the newbie-level content was in highsec

and once you got better, you'd move to more difficult and more rewarding content in other areas.

And this is now very different from the claim I originally addressed, which was "high sec is basically a starter area". Again, no it isn't, no matter how much you claim it is. At no point has CCP ever stated that hi sec is intended to be a "starter area" for new players. There are "starter" systems in hi sec, but that does not make hi sec a starter area.


You could if you chose to. My point is you don't have to.

And this is now very different from the claim I originally addressed, which was "high sec is basically a starter area".

You could if you wanted to. My point is you don't have to.

Saying that it is the area for newbie-level content is not very different from saying that it's a starter area. After all, that's where the newbie-level content belongs.

In fact it is very different. Claiming that hi sec is a "starter area abused by players who refuse to leave it" is very different from stating that starter systems are found in hi sec.

Bottom line is hi sec is

Not really. You have to go out where major alliances use thier magic alliance only sov upgrades before you can get the good stuff.

In fact it is very different. Claiming that hi sec is a "starter area abused by players who refuse to leave it" is very different from stating that starter systems are found in hi sec. Usually, the former is used as an antagonistic reprimand to shame and insult hi sec players;

I'll do that nasty evil thing I do and cut you off right there. You see what you said there? GÇ£IsGÇ¥? That's the problem: you're using the wrong tense.

...hi sec iswas an area where players with different levels of experience find may have found a home. This is of course, no longer the case.

GǪand the idea was that the newbie-level content was in highsec, and once you got better, you'd move to more difficult and more rewarding content in other areas. The risk in question wasn't so much from players GÇö since that was much the same no matter where you went GÇö but from the opposition in the sites and if you wanted something above newbie level, you'd have to go to the non-newbie-level areas of the game. That same design paradigm has survived to this day as far as exploration goes.

So yes, yes it is. If you don't like that design, you should go back to 2003 and tell CCP so. Conversely, if you want it to be a risk-reward kind of thing that doesn't take assumed skill levels into consideration, then you could also tell them to reduce the rewards from those highsec sites since a lot has happened to (massively) reduce the risks involved.

The idea that hisec must be restricted to being a "newbie area" is bad and wrong and should be put in a bag and drowned like a litter of unwanted inbred puppies.

Better?

GǪwhich no-one has said.

You would think that people would be able to take the hint. It's so bad because CCP doesn't want you to stay in highsec grinding forever. It's their way of encouraging you to explore, take risks, and reap greater rewards for those risks. High sec is basically a "starter area" that is very badly abused by some players who refuse to ever leave it. So every once in a while, high sec rewards (especially mission rewards) are nerfed to try to discourage endless virtually risk free mission farming.

Weird

Yes, it's quite weird that you quote that section since it does not mention anything about starter systems being found in highsec.

Or, well, it's weird presuming that you were trying to provide some kind of counter to what I said since it doesn't really do that. If you were trying to do something else, it'sGǪ actually, still weird since then it's just some random quote with no connection or explanation for why it's being brought up.

Sure. But again, the point is the past as an explanation of what is, rather than the present as a reason for what should change.

No, because now it's either a bit self-contradictory or just plain inaccurate. And you understand why highsec is full of starter-level content, then?

Perhaps I misunderstood what "GǪwhich no-one has said." meant in the post I quoted above. Because if that was referring to the text in the post you quoted, then yes, someone has said that.

This is fairly pointless. You have a tendency of denying your initial assertions or convoluting them with irrelevant responses to the point where you're no longer even defending your original assertion, but rather moving the goal posts around at will :\.

GǪand you have good examples of this?

I'm referring to the clause immediately preceding it about how starter systems are found in highsec.

Saying that it is the area for newbie-level content is not very different from saying that it's a starter area. After all, that's where the newbie-level content belongs.

This is what you said:

GǪwhich, again, says nothing about starter systems being in highsec or making any inferences from this fact.

And this is now very different from the claim I originally addressed, which was "high sec is basically a starter area". Again, no it isn't, no matter how much you claim it is. At no point has CCP ever stated that hi sec is intended to be a "starter area" for new players. There are "starter" systems in hi sec, but by no means does that make hi sec a starter area.

The idea that hisec must be restricted to being a "newbie area" is bad and wrong and should be put in a bag and drowned like a litter of unwanted inbred puppies.

It's extremley fruistrating seeing this thread going into the old "high sec vs otherSec" areas.

I opened this topic with one thought in mind and it was explortion rewards in high sec vs other high sec activities.

@Tippia

so basicly there is good reward and such on high sec but due to the sheer easyness of it those sites are farmed out quickly and in order to get those I need to catach them fast and before everyone else. right?

So, you complain that the pennies thrown at you are not the gold coins the people around you are scooping by the handful. Who is to blame for that? Every time I see a hisec player complain about inflation or low price of salvage a wry grin spreads across my face.

You want risk free isk? You reap what you sow.

Once upon a time I remember seeing a picture explaining eve sec status.