you mean the game should revolve around sheer numbers of bodies again?

well ok it would maybe reduce blobbing at some given time but overall you nerf defenders in favor of attackers, which could distribute sov grind work amongst bigger blob which is still an uncontested advantage of having more people, while burning down regions of sov could all happen in attackers timezone, a model CCP moved away from explicitely by introducing timers defender would basically set to their own tz to be able to defend themselves at all without having all timezone coverage (which itself is another driver for blobs).

And just watch as TiDi disappears ...

Its one of the most stupid things that CCP seem to be ignoring. Slowcat is a lovely tactic, but its **** for the issue at hand.

200 Slows and 2000 sentries. I'm sorry - BUT GET YOU FINGER OUT CCP FFS - its Zombies'R'US with the playerbase taking part literally watching a movie while playing. Yes - I did exactly that.

If they cant see that this is one of the primary reasons things are breaking, one of the reasons FCs use it, knowing that the 'in/out' nature of the drones themselves causes massive fluctuations. Are they truly stupid? You dont need 2000 people to crack a server. Just a few hundred zombies and one person driving. Why the hell should CFC respond to it when they know its crucifying the server its being done on.

Solve this soon, how?

Without destroying the tactic. Drones on Carriers - make them deploy for a minimum of 2 minutes. Make them take 2 to return. Make returning them unabortable. Gives bombing and other tactics a chance. But it still makes carriers (non DPS uber logi) stay as DPS uber logi.

To destroying the tactic. You can only drone assist your squad leader. One person can only control 15 drones max. Anything to get away from making eve as crap as this.

Better than wanting the game to revolve around super ultra elite awesome ships that kill everything.

Not really no. It's not like anything prevents you guys from making an honest effort and bringing your own caps, you'd just rather the game adapt to you rather than have to do anything different than what you'd always done. You want to win at the most high stakes level of EVE? Act like it.

Cute speech, but that's not actually descriptive of anything.

Yes thats actually exactly what they want.

Clearly using isk to counter numbers is wrong. Whoever has the most raw numbers should win every fight. That's game balance.

EVE Online should be pay to win. Whoever puts the most isk on the field wins.

Clearly if the CFC says something's overpowered, it's actually perfectly balanced and doesn't need any nerfs at all.

well ok it would maybe reduce blobbing at some given time but overall you nerf defenders in favor of attackers, which could distribute sov grind work amongst bigger blob which is still an uncontested advantage of having more people, while burning down regions of sov could all happen in attackers timezone, a model CCP moved away from explicitely by introducing timers defender would basically set to their own tz to be able to defend themselves at all without having all timezone coverage (which itself is another driver for blobs).

The truth of the matter is that CFC+RUS *can* beat our Slowcat fleet but they can't do it without putting their own dreads and supercapitals on the field. If they do that, they WILL win the fight but not before losing a significant number of capitals and supercapitals in the process. However, they are not willing to risk their capital fleets while N3+PL does so in every single fight. If you want our space that badly, you're going to have to earn it in blood and sweat.

I hear a lot about this "cfc not willing to drop dreads". Is that not exactly what we're gearing up to do? Naglfars take time to train and build, you know.

The last time you fielded dreads, you fielded 350, lost 30 to Doomsdays, got saved by a node crash, and haven't brought them out since even after tackling solo titans on your home system's undock.

But is this really a battle about space? As far as I know, there is only one alliance interested in taking space in the current conflict. The one who was displaced.

Is this not a battle of ideologies and ideas? Whoever has the most dudes wins? Or whoever has the most supers wins? One side claims the moral high ground over the other while doing the exact same thing

I would think the goal and the common ground between all involved would be to pressure CCP to revamp the system away from the ONE BIG TIMER.

I just wanna give a historical context to this discussion of the Roflstompmobiles for new players and bittervets alike.

This is a quote from a post made in 2008 by James 315:

"People have been voicing concern about titan proliferation and pointing out that in about a year, there will be so many titans that even capital fleets will be popped instantly by a succession of doomsdays. Eve Online will be Titan Online, just as it was before they fixed (deleted) the remote doomsdays. People are worried that the game will be completely ruined. They wonder what CCP's solution will be."

And this is the second comment in response:

"ITT: cryalition crying because they couldn't beat BoB"

This prophecy was fulfilled here when a dreadnought fleet was wiped out by a succession of doomsdays

You can't really smug about killing our dreads when we haven't yet fielded the proper composition.
You could smug about us not being ready, but such is the nature of a coalition which until now has been doing just fine with its subcap superiority.

I just wanna give a historical context to this discussion of the Roflstompmobiles for new players and bittervets alike.

This is a quote from a post made in 2008 by James 315:

"People have been voicing concern about titan proliferation and pointing out that in about a year, there will be so many titans that even capital fleets will be popped instantly by a succession of doomsdays. Eve Online will be Titan Online, just as it was before they fixed (deleted) the remote doomsdays. People are worried that the game will be completely ruined. They wonder what CCP's solution will be."

And this is the second comment in response:

"ITT: cryalition crying because they couldn't beat BoB"

This prophecy was fulfilled here when a dreadnought fleet was wiped out by a succession of doomsdays

EVE Online should be pay to win. Whoever puts the most isk on the field wins.