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EI Digin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:46:00 -
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Zulu Death Mask wrote:Whose fault is that? ;) Don't hate the player, hate the game. |

Prince Kobol
1226
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:08:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
This has to be the worst comment ever made.
Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order.
You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are.
So tell us. Why is this only happening when our drone heavy fleets clash?
The reason being is that during a large fleet fight you will have 1000's of different variables being calculated every second, on top of that the variables will be different for every large fleet fight, therefore the error which has caused the node deaths may only be executed under extremely complex scenarios.
This is why it would kill the node only under certain scenarios and not others and not every time.
The error might have nothing to do with drones but with an activation of n+1 module, n+1 bomb, n+1 align command etc.
It literally could be anything causing the node crashes.
There are so many variables involved that simply saying "OMFG its Drones" is absurd to say the least.
Also as a side note, when was the last time the node crashed?
It would be pretty funny if CFC pushing the narrative about drones crashing the nodes if CCP have actually fixed the problem  |

Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
11
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:08:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:Zulu Death Mask wrote:Whose fault is that? ;) Don't hate the player, hate the game.
"CCP made me do it"
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Prince Kobol
1226
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:09:00 -
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Zulu Death Mask wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Zulu Death Mask wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not.
This has to be the worst comment ever made. Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order. You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are. So you agree it impacts on every big battle that shitloads of drones are involved? If you are going to suck up to your masters you really need to do a better job as at the moment you are looking very silly. Yeah go for personal attacks instead of answering the question and at the same time call other people silly. You sir, deserve a hoof-clap.
No, it just seems it is the only thing you understand as your arguments are so nonsensical that there is no point in discussing the topic with you. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7172
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:11:00 -
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All I know is a full fleet of Domis dropping drones causes pretty significant jumps in lag. Full slowcat fleets undoubtedly more so. So the argument that drones don't cause lag is a tad preposterous.
I will say the node crashes are a mystery, and there's no basis of comparison by which we could say it's the drones definitively. Too many things have changed, within the code and also in tactics. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Prince Kobol
1227
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:17:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:All I know is a full fleet of Domis dropping drones causes pretty significant jumps in lag. Full slowcat fleets undoubtedly more so. So the argument that drones don't cause lag is a tad preposterous.
I will say the node crashes are a mystery, and there's no basis of comparison by which we could say it's the drones definitively. Too many things have changed, within the code and also in tactics.
I would also say that drones contribute towards the lag as well, I doubt anybody would say differently.
The issue / narrative that some people are trying to push is that drones are causing node crashes which is not true.
Does the code behind drones need better optimizing, sure.
Does drone assist suck, I would say yes it does, that is my personal opinion and one which is not popular but there you go.
However I would also say that there is a under lying issue in the code base if 100 people in a station switching modules causing TiDi / Lag. |

SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
43
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:21:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:[quote=James Amril-Kesh] The issue / narrative that some people are trying to push is that nodes are causing node crashes which is not true.
I absolutely agree that nodes are causing node crashes. Nodes need to be nerfed. |

Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
12
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Posted - 2013.12.24 21:25:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote: No, it just seems it is the only thing you understand as your arguments are so nonsensical that there is no point in discussing the topic with you.
Yes of course I understand but could you please underline those nonsensical arguments for the audience.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9180
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:20:00 -
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EI Digin wrote:There is no evidence to suspect that the same thing won't happen when you put two non-drone heavy fleets together in a post-Rubicon world.
We are talking about 1k fights crashing the node.
500 v 500 or 600 v 600. These arn't rare fights and there has been several since fountain.
Lets all face it, with 300 carriers each dumping up to 10 sentries and lets say two domi fleets launching 5 each we get at least 5000 drones on top of the ships in system on the same grid all slugging away at eachother. Drones have never been used as the primary damage for a fleet or in these numbers before.
What makes you think that these new doctrines are not to blame? It is a lot more believable that dumping thousands of drones in a fight lasting several hours are causing issues for the node than CCP making some sort of undocumented change in an expansion that had nothing to do with fleet fights. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1990
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:EI Digin wrote:There is no evidence to suspect that the same thing won't happen when you put two non-drone heavy fleets together in a post-Rubicon world. We are talking about 1k fights crashing the node. 500 v 500 or 600 v 600. These arn't rare fights and there has been several since fountain. Lets all face it, with 300 carriers each dumping up to 10 sentries and lets say two domi fleets launching 5 each we get at least 5000 drones on top of the ships in system on the same grid all slugging away at eachother. Drones have never been used as the primary damage for a fleet or in these numbers before. What makes you think that these new doctrines are not to blame? It is a lot more believable that dumping thousands of drones in a fight lasting several hours are causing issues for the node than CCP making some sort of undocumented change in an expansion that had nothing to do with fleet fights. Jesus christ baltec you are a mouthbreather if ever there were one.
What part of YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM do you not get that multiple people have explained to you in this thread?
You have no non drone fights of massive size in recent memory to base this claim on.
You have zero ability to discern alterations to eves code structure or how changes to small parts have cascade effects, and we have zero evidence to back up that our claim of that being the case, unless you take into account all the times over the history of the game this has happened or the literal dev post that says they're having odd things happen with the code....
You're like a pittbull chasing a bone that doesn't exist right now, you need to just let it go because you just look more and more ridiculous posting wild things you can't even come close to backing up with anything other than "I Think" as your evidence. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9180
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:36:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
What part of YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM do you not get that multiple people have explained to you in this thread?
And you have no evidence to disprove it.
None of us have access to the code, all we have is the fact that when we adopted domi fleet and you hit us with slowcat fleet the nodes died in a fire and have done in every engagement between these fleets since.
Until CCP come out and directly say that drones are not a big cause of this issue I will go with what evidence we have. Right now it points to the mass use of drones over long periods of time in fights. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1990
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Posted - 2013.12.24 23:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
Until CCP come out and directly say that drones are not a big cause of this issue I will go with what evidence we have. Right now it points to the mass use of drones over long periods of time in fights.
CCP Veritas wrote:Red Teufel wrote:I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashing  The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain.
Hmm, asked about whats causing all this and how to fix it and strangely not a single word about drones anywhere in it, case closed sherlock
In fact if you read it, it even says they fixed the problem from the first 3 crashes, and whats oddly absent from his post,? Any mention of drones. Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1990
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:05:00 -
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Basically baltec has gotten to the point in the argument where he'll only believe its not the drones if CCP tells him its not the drones, but since they've already sated they've fixed the problem and have been known to lie or cover things up theres no way he'll ever believe a word CCP says.
tl;dr God himself could come down and show him directlyh but he'll keep on believin what he's told to believe Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive Universal Consortium
39
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
What part of YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM do you not get that multiple people have explained to you in this thread?
And you have no evidence to disprove it. None of us have access to the code, all we have is the fact that when we adopted domi fleet and you hit us with slowcat fleet the nodes died in a fire and have done in every engagement between these fleets since. Until CCP come out and directly say that drones are not a big cause of this issue I will go with what evidence we have. Right now it points to the mass use of drones over long periods of time in fights.
And that was what again? no evidence does not prove anything. Someone made a remark earlier that CCP are working on session changes, i can accept launching drones is a session change and that could cause load. issue that i am left with is that when they are on grid the load should drop back after all session changes are handled.
most recent node crashes did not involve people mass pulling and relaunching drones for funsies i hope? because i have as much evidence of that happening as you have of drones sitting in space causing the crash just by sitting there shooting.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7177
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:28:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:than CCP making some sort of undocumented change in an expansion that had nothing to do with fleet fights. Why would it have to be an undocumented change? It could easily have been a documented change with an unintended side effect. If you've done programming before it should come as no surprise that changing things in the code sometimes causes unpredictable behavior. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7177
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:31:00 -
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Rubicon added mobile depots, mobile cyno jammers, and mobile tractor units. It's possible the mechanics involved take up a lot of cpu under high load. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

M1k3y Koontz
thorn project Surely You're Joking
456
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:49:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:iskflakes wrote:If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss. There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms. Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards. We know what they're really saying.
You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro  How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp. |

Stu Pendisdick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:49:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:......... Jesus christ baltec of all the Charlie Browns in the world, you are the Charlie Browniest......
ftfy
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9181
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Posted - 2013.12.25 00:59:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Until CCP come out and directly say that drones are not a big cause of this issue I will go with what evidence we have. Right now it points to the mass use of drones over long periods of time in fights.
CCP Veritas wrote:Red Teufel wrote:I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashing  The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain. Hmm, asked about whats causing all this and how to fix it and strangely not a single word about drones anywhere in it, case closed sherlock In fact if you read it, it even says they fixed the problem from the first 3 crashes, and whats oddly absent from his post,? Any mention of drones.
Well, lets see if the next match ends the same way. Afterall, they have already supposedly fixed this once. Incidentally, he was not asked if drones were causing this. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.25 01:56:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:
Until CCP come out and directly say that drones are not a big cause of this issue I will go with what evidence we have. Right now it points to the mass use of drones over long periods of time in fights.
CCP Veritas wrote:Red Teufel wrote:I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashing  The causes for the previous three node deaths have been patched on TQ, for example.It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming that only express at high load or in the kind of highly complex scenarios that large fights contain. Hmm, asked about whats causing all this and how to fix it and strangely not a single word about drones anywhere in it, case closed sherlock In fact if you read it, it even says they fixed the problem from the first 3 crashes, and whats oddly absent from his post,? Any mention of drones. Well, lets see if the next match ends the same way. Afterall, they have already supposedly fixed this once. Incidentally, he was not asked if drones were causing this. He simply said that something was going wrong while the node was under stress.
Jesus christ,
the causes
of the first 3 crashes
were fixed.
So, if they fixed the causes of those crashes, then obviously those first crashes weren't caused by drones right?
I mean this is easy logic to follow here coming directly from the only people you said you'd believe it from right?
Just stop making up **** until you get a full detailed story from CCP, its not that hard.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7178
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Posted - 2013.12.25 04:23:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:iskflakes wrote:If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss. There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms. Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards. We know what they're really saying. You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro  What would titans have to do with them being OP or not? Furthermore it'd be fairly trivial for slowcats to refit for DD tanking considering the Avatar and Erebus are by far the most common titans. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5352
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:30:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:iskflakes wrote:If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss. There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms. Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards. We know what they're really saying. You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro  What would titans have to do with them being OP or not? Furthermore it'd be fairly trivial for slowcats to refit for DD tanking considering the Avatar and Erebus are by far the most common titans. Basically, they're not enjoying eve enough and want some goon titan killmails ^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over. |

Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1991
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Posted - 2013.12.25 05:50:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:iskflakes wrote:If your alliance actually has some courage, which yours does not, you can field titans. Titans will show a slowcat blob who's boss. There's a distinct difference between having courage, and fighting someone on their terms. Dropping titans is exactly what they want us to do, and it infuriates them that we won't. So they'll call us cowards. We know what they're really saying. You won't drop titans, but you will whine about slowcats being OP. Dat logic bro  What would titans have to do with them being OP or not? Furthermore it'd be fairly trivial for slowcats to refit for DD tanking considering the Avatar and Erebus are by far the most common titans. Basically, they're not enjoying eve enough and want some goon titan killmails
I mean I'm not picky, its christmas, i'll take anybodies titan kill mails.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:12:00 -
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Wait ..... skillfree blobber who usually only win because of superior numbers playing tidi and station games saying in the past "if we cant fight you, we bore you to death", now cry because they get blobbed by another blobber with even more superior numbers because of drones and wail about "imbalance" and "fun"?
Surprisingly all the well known Goon Shitposter at 100% rpm. 
Oh this delicious tears. Please more of it, Zergswarm Goonies.    |

Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
139
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:36:00 -
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I don't understand why people are just figuring out after archons have been in the game all these years that repairing each other and using drones is a good tactic? http://evemouthbreathers.blogspot.com/
https://secure.eveonline.com/trial/?invc=29554516-05f9-4eca-a942-32e1701a6569&action=buddy |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7183
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Posted - 2013.12.25 06:55:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:Wait ..... skillfree blobber who usually only win because of superior numbers playing tidi and station games saying in the past "if we cant fight you, we bore you to death", now cry because they get blobbed by another blobber with even more superior numbers because of drones and wail about "imbalance" and "fun"? Surprisingly all the well known Goon Shitposter at 100% rpm.  Oh this delicious tears. Please more of it, Zergswarm Goonies.    So obviously an alt of someone who's already posted. Quit sockpuppeting. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Nyan Lafisques
Legion Du Lys Insidious Empire
1
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Posted - 2013.12.25 07:14:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:blabla4711 wrote:Wait ..... skillfree blobber who usually only win because of superior numbers playing tidi and station games saying in the past "if we cant fight you, we bore you to death", now cry because they get blobbed by another blobber with even more superior numbers because of drones and wail about "imbalance" and "fun"? Surprisingly all the well known Goon Shitposter at 100% rpm.  Oh this delicious tears. Please more of it, Zergswarm Goonies.    So obviously an alt of someone who's already posted. Quit sockpuppeting.
Hey buddy, we're only here to ruin YOUR game... |

blabla4711
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2013.12.25 07:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:blabla4711 wrote:Wait ..... skillfree blobber who usually only win because of superior numbers playing tidi and station games saying in the past "if we cant fight you, we bore you to death", now cry because they get blobbed by another blobber with even more superior numbers because of drones and wail about "imbalance" and "fun"? Surprisingly all the well known Goon Shitposter at 100% rpm.  Oh this delicious tears. Please more of it, Zergswarm Goonies.    So obviously an alt of someone who's already posted. Quit sockpuppeting.
Isnt "socketpuppeting" a tactic well known to Goon Shitposters anymore?
Logging to your High-Sec Alts, open up tear-threads and answering with your "tight homie" to be zergswarm alts babbling about "pubbies" or htfu?
Ask your highlord mittani if you dont know and spare us your show of the "innocent victims" with this very "Captain Obvious" Op. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
7183
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Posted - 2013.12.25 07:40:00 -
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blabla4711 wrote:Isnt "socketpuppeting" a tactic well known to Goon Shitposters anymore?
Logging to your High-Sec Alts, open up tear-threads and answering with your "tight homie" to be zergswarm alts babbling about "pubbies" or htfu?
Ask your highlord mittani if you dont know and spare us your show of the "innocent victims". So you don't deny it. Latest video - Pandemic Legion titan and supers killed |

Rattman
Van Diemen's Demise Northern Coalition.
19
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Posted - 2013.12.25 07:41:00 -
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Zulu Death Mask wrote: Is that why N3PL uses slowcats even when numbers are 1:1 ? Is it because equal numbers are too large of a blob?
We are not here to make fun for you. We are here to make life as miserable as possible and we are succeeding. Life for the russians is miserable.
RUSRUS declared war on us, goons came into help them. I am very mixed at goons not deploying supers, on one hand I would love to kill them, but on the other hand by not deploying them they get no experience in flying / FCing them. Allows us to keep super cap dominance with out ever really having to deploy them |
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