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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
Apex.
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:00:00 -
[181] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
You
Don't
Know
That
I can't spell it out any more clearly than that, you literally have no idea if the game can still handle that because....and here's the important part that keeps bouncing off your thick skull...
So the nodes suddenly cannot support fights that they have been supporting for years?
but they haven't been. that was his point.
that there hasn't been fights this large for several expansions, meaning for the last year or so, you would have had no idea if these fights could have or would have crashed a node, because they weren't happening. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
9176
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:08:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:
but they haven't been. that was his point.
that there hasn't been fights this large for several expansions, meaning for the last year or so, you would have had no idea if these fights could have or would have crashed a node, because they weren't happening.
There have been uncountable 1200 man fights in many wars involving many different blocks for years. We have had several 2000+ man fights on unreinforced nodes over the last few years too.
Hell, we pulled two bigger blue on blue fights in the last two years than we are having in this war and they didn't result in node deaths. Hell, even the 6NJ slaughter of the old NC capital fleet didn't see a node death and that was back in 2010.
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
9
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:13:00 -
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So the fact that all the latest node crashes had so many slowcats in the system is pure coincidental.
Yet the people who blame the slowcats are "clueless idiots" right?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
9176
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:16:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
So really it could be anything, anything at all, having and adverse effect on the code, for you to say 'OH ITS THE CARRIERS" makes you look like a moron, because you literally have less idea than I do and I'm technically on the same level as the Clovis people.
So its nothing at all to do with the drones swelling the numbers by 5x for our domis and 10x with your carriers, putting the node under stress for hours at a time and then taking a literal dump when the escalation dreads and then supers jump in?
I dont buy it, CCP, as far as we can tell, have not changed anything to do with the impacted things and subacp fleets are getting along just fine with the same numbers involved.
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iskflakes
738
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:19:00 -
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Drones are not the cause of the node crashes.
CCP Veritas wrote:It's worth noting that in all recent events it hasn't been the high load that directly causes the node death, but rather errors in the programming [...]
Source here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4021826#post4021826
So, stop crying about node crashes. We all know it's a proxy-argument for slowcats anyway, which is itself a proxy argument for numbers vs tactics and investment.
The reality is that Goons & Co, despite having an extended period of peace and being the "richest coalition ever111" have not invested in capital fleets to counter slowcats until now. They have not invested in building experience commanding capitals or killing them. Now, as ever they try to fight their battle on the forums rather than the battlefield, always demanding that the "deserve" to win because they're the best at "diplomacy". If you want to play a game where numbers always win and the blob cannot be countered then go find another game.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1987
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:19:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
I dont buy it, CCP, as far as we can tell, have not changed anything to do with the impacted things and subacp fleets are getting along just fine with the same numbers involved.
What you can and can't tell doesn't matter at all, you couldn't tell that the code had changed and that your dread would siege and fire all its ammo and yet that actually happened. You couldn't tell that EVE had deleted your boot.ini file and yet thats what happened (everything ran great until you restarted your pc).
Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there holy **** i can't believe we're having this discussion in the modern gaming age like you're some kind of cave man.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
9
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there holy **** i can't believe we're having this discussion in the modern gaming age like you're some kind of cave man.
Grath you aren't a priest by any chance are you?
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
9176
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:23:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
What you can and can't tell doesn't matter at all, you couldn't tell that the code had changed and that your dread would siege and fire all its ammo and yet that actually happened. You couldn't tell that EVE had deleted your boot.ini file and yet thats what happened (everything ran great until you restarted your pc).
Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there holy **** i can't believe we're having this discussion in the modern gaming age like you're some kind of cave man.
We know that its not happening with the same sized subcap fleets that are not relying upon drones. This is only happening when our domi and slowclat fleets clash.
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1987
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
What you can and can't tell doesn't matter at all, you couldn't tell that the code had changed and that your dread would siege and fire all its ammo and yet that actually happened. You couldn't tell that EVE had deleted your boot.ini file and yet thats what happened (everything ran great until you restarted your pc).
Just because you can't see it doesnt' mean its not there holy **** i can't believe we're having this discussion in the modern gaming age like you're some kind of cave man.
We know that its not happening with the same sized subcap fleets that are not relying upon drones. This is only happening when our domi and slowclat fleets clash.
Or when titans hit the grid
Or when fighterbombers hit the grid
Or when too many bombs get launched (though not this so much anymore)
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
9176
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:33:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
So whats the point really, you break it or we break it, but somebody is going to break it, you're just mad the breaking it isn't going in your favor and that your human wave attack isn't doing what it was designed for.
Its been a 50/50 split in who the node death favors. Hence why nobody but fools are trying to say this is deliberate.
If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not. The only difference is in the fleets we are now using and how long the fights are lasting. If the nodes were dying with every fleet fight you would have a point, but its only happening with the drone heavy fleets and always just after the first round of DD go off. I don't believe in coincidence.
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Gary Bell
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
86
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:00:00 -
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One..I just want to say I enjoyed this read lol..
Two..I can see where Grath is coming from in that none of us are CCP programmers.. I would like to point out that when we of course dont know for sure.. I would make an educated guess that the game rendering the drone models in space and there brackets and damage notifications and there damage calculations prob cause a little more load then gun fire..
But as the honorable Space Marshall Grath has pointed out these are just assumptions that we cannot back up with facts..
But the day will come when things fall into place and big things start to die.. And as usual PL will extract like they always do.. and Nulli will get bonked.. Cuz we all know NC. and PL besties forever, Nulli will implode and we in BL will be chilling like we always do..
Something always happens.. Always..
Especially when your FC makes you sit in 10 percent Tidi for 5 Hours a day for 3 months..
PS.. You know as well as the rest of us that you can match subcap numbers.. You just choose not to because you have 4 Jillion slows.. Hell when it was just BL in Sendaya you guys would drop 4 fleets on us everytime we undocked.. Now all the sudden they blob us hurff blurff.. You found something that works and your humping it.. Lets not try to play it off.. You have the current trump card and your using it.. |
Prince Kobol
1226
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:30:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not.
This has to be the worst comment ever made.
Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order.
You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are. |
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
10
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:36:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not.
This has to be the worst comment ever made. Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order. You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are.
So you agree it impacts on every big battle that shitloads of drones are involved? |
Leigh Akiga
Trickle Down Economics
383
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:40:00 -
[194] - Quote
If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend.
otherwise the logs show nothing  |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5351
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:46:00 -
[195] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend. otherwise the logs show nothing
that's because the server apparently forgets to log whenever it starts to die
even forgets that you died in some cases
There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Gary Bell
Wrecking Shots
Black Legion.
86
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:47:00 -
[196] - Quote
Leigh Akiga wrote:If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend. otherwise the logs show nothing
Really that is a good point..I have yet to see a CCP employee come into a system while we are having a big fight to get a good feel for it.. Try things on the spot module activations to follow them down the chain etc..
I Know a fair about Computers and programming and sitting in it first hand and following the changes to the server cpu load as you make specific actions inside a high load atmosphere id assume would be of some benefit..
And I mean we have these fights like everyday.. and I mean if the time zones are off.. Ask grath to have someone driveby DD and we will give you a four hour lag fest lol
At least it will show your customer base your making an attempt
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5351
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:50:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend. otherwise the logs show nothing Really that is a good point..I have yet to see a CCP employee come into a system while we are having a big fight to get a good feel for it.. Try things on the spot module activations to follow them down the chain etc.. I Know a fair about Computers and programming and sitting in it first hand and following the changes to the server cpu load as you make specific actions inside a high load atmosphere id assume would be of some benefit.. And I mean we have these fights like everyday.. and I mean if the time zones are off.. Ask grath to have someone driveby DD and we will give you a four hour lag fest lol At least it will show your customer base your making an attempt
just have ccp driveby doomsday with a full GM tank.
There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:55:00 -
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Rab See wrote:I Love Boobies wrote:Definitely something the old DD could do something about. Boom... no more drones. And just watch as TiDi disappears ... Its one of the most stupid things that CCP seem to be ignoring. Slowcat is a lovely tactic, but its **** for the issue at hand. 200 Slows and 2000 sentries. I'm sorry - BUT GET YOU FINGER OUT CCP FFS - its Zombies'R'US with the playerbase taking part literally watching a movie while playing. Yes - I did exactly that. If they cant see that this is one of the primary reasons things are breaking, one of the reasons FCs use it, knowing that the 'in/out' nature of the drones themselves causes massive fluctuations. Are they truly stupid? You dont need 2000 people to crack a server. Just a few hundred zombies and one person driving. Why the hell should CFC respond to it when they know its crucifying the server its being done on. Solve this soon, how? Without destroying the tactic. Drones on Carriers - make them deploy for a minimum of 2 minutes. Make them take 2 to return. Make returning them unabortable. Gives bombing and other tactics a chance. But it still makes carriers (non DPS uber logi) stay as DPS uber logi. To destroying the tactic. You can only drone assist your squad leader. One person can only control 15 drones max. Anything to get away from making eve as crap as this.
Carriers shouldn't be able to return drones  because a minority of players are too chicken to use titans.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Eschelon Directive
Universal Consortium
36
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:56:00 -
[199] - Quote
Gary Bell wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend. otherwise the logs show nothing Really that is a good point..I have yet to see a CCP employee come into a system while we are having a big fight to get a good feel for it.. Try things on the spot module activations to follow them down the chain etc.. I Know a fair about Computers and programming and sitting in it first hand and following the changes to the server cpu load as you make specific actions inside a high load atmosphere id assume would be of some benefit.. And I mean we have these fights like everyday.. and I mean if the time zones are off.. Ask grath to have someone driveby DD and we will give you a four hour lag fest lol At least it will show your customer base your making an attempt
yeah because its not like they have specialist looking at the server statistics or perusing the logs after things go belly up ey. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
5351
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Posted - 2013.12.24 19:57:00 -
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done assist is perfectly balanced
There are no goons. The goons; 0.0 dream is over.
Progodlegend said the goal of N3 is to destroy Goonswarm Federation, but in reality NCdot is in Fountain due to the fact it is virtually the last place there is action. ~NC., Fountain 2013 |
Knights Armament
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:03:00 -
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The lead designer of eve said he is working on fixing the lag by changing the way eve handles session changes, things like going from your ship to a pod, and drones being called in and out are all session changes, jumping through a gate, docking, opening a cyno, these session changes put extra load on the server. Unlike a modern game eves stackless python doesn't support more than 1 processor core, so they are at the limit in terms of processing power.
I suggested to CCP that they should look into getting liquid nitrogen cooled overclocked cpus to use in null sec areas & jita, a number of companies make servers that operate at higher frequency stable.
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
764
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:11:00 -
[202] - Quote
Removed a personal attack and subsequent posts discussing it. Please stay civil, constructive, and on-topic.
ISD LackOfFaith
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Prince Kobol
1226
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:22:00 -
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Gary Bell wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend. otherwise the logs show nothing Really that is a good point..I have yet to see a CCP employee come into a system while we are having a big fight to get a good feel for it.. Try things on the spot module activations to follow them down the chain etc.. I Know a fair about Computers and programming and sitting in it first hand and following the changes to the server cpu load as you make specific actions inside a high load atmosphere id assume would be of some benefit.. And I mean we have these fights like everyday.. and I mean if the time zones are off.. Ask grath to have someone driveby DD and we will give you a four hour lag fest lol At least it will show your customer base your making an attempt
Then your not looking hard enough, I have seen CCP in system during a couple of large fleet fights after the last node crash. |
Prince Kobol
1226
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:23:00 -
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Zulu Death Mask wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not.
This has to be the worst comment ever made. Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order. You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are. So you agree it impacts on every big battle that shitloads of drones are involved?
If you are going to suck up to your masters you really need to do a better job as at the moment you are looking very silly. |
baltec1
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
9176
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:27:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:
This has to be the worst comment ever made.
Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order.
You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are.
So tell us. Why is this only happening when our drone heavy fleets clash?
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
11
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:35:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Zulu Death Mask wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:baltec1 wrote:
If this was an issue with the code then it would be impacting every large fight, but its not.
This has to be the worst comment ever made. Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order. You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are. So you agree it impacts on every big battle that shitloads of drones are involved? If you are going to suck up to your masters you really need to do a better job as at the moment you are looking very silly.
Yeah go for personal attacks instead of answering the question and at the same time call other people silly.
You sir, deserve a hoof-clap.
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EI Digin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1485
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:37:00 -
[207] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:So tell us. Why is this only happening when our drone heavy fleets clash? There is no evidence to suspect that the same thing won't happen when you put two non-drone heavy fleets together in a post-Rubicon world. |
Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
11
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:38:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Gary Bell wrote:Leigh Akiga wrote:If they really wanted to figure out whats going on and fix **** they would let us have one of these mega-brawls on the test server and observe it from the backend. otherwise the logs show nothing Really that is a good point..I have yet to see a CCP employee come into a system while we are having a big fight to get a good feel for it.. Try things on the spot module activations to follow them down the chain etc.. I Know a fair about Computers and programming and sitting in it first hand and following the changes to the server cpu load as you make specific actions inside a high load atmosphere id assume would be of some benefit.. And I mean we have these fights like everyday.. and I mean if the time zones are off.. Ask grath to have someone driveby DD and we will give you a four hour lag fest lol At least it will show your customer base your making an attempt Then your not looking hard enough, I have seen CCP in system during a couple of large fleet fights after the last node crash.
I remember seeing a CCP rep when there was 1% tidi with 1300 people in system... they were asking people in local if they wanted screenshots of the fight... they received a marvelous text-vomit of angry responses.
But yeah... I expect they do their research on what is causing all this... sadly they aren't sharing their findings with us.
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
11
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:39:00 -
[209] - Quote
EI Digin wrote:baltec1 wrote:So tell us. Why is this only happening when our drone heavy fleets clash? There is no evidence to suspect that the same thing won't happen when you put two non-drone heavy fleets together in a post-Rubicon world.
Whose fault is that? ;) |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
1989
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Posted - 2013.12.24 20:40:00 -
[210] - Quote
baltec1 wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:
This has to be the worst comment ever made.
Anybody who has ever worked with code will tell you this is total and complete bull of the highest order.
You know full well that this is total crap and the fact you have lowered yourself to typing this shows how desperate you are.
So tell us. Why is this only happening when our drone heavy fleets clash?
Can you name the last non drone heavy 2k man fight that you can remember that you are using as your controled non node crashing group and is that control group now contaminated by two different code releases that may be distorting your data?
Like we keep seeing you say where "Non drone groups are doing fine" only there aren't any non drone comps fighting right now as the CFC invests in some ****** attempt to prove somethings broken by using only that thing.
So the last credible data you have is from the Fountain war, 2 codes ago, unless you know of any other 2k man fights going on in EVE right now that you're not telling us about.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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