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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:24:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Haha this thread just gets better and better, now a black legion guy knows how much CPU a carrier uses as compared to the other ships in EVE
EDIT: And running off this guys numbers, each domi can launch half a carriers drone bandwidth so that would mean 600 domis take up the same CPU as 1800 players. Same with Ishtars, damn those dirty ishtars.
Both of those ships dont carry over 300 flights of sentries.
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Pinky Hops
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:26:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:
Much more likely it is different issues each time.
Yep, it cannot possibly be the mass deployment of thousands to tens of thousands of drones. It much be lots of other problems, problems that don't happen with larger sub capital fights, problems that didn't start happening before the deployment of full fleets of slowcats.
have you ever programmed a thing in your life?
ccp specifically said it had to do with what they called "programming errors."
people who know wtf they are talking about don't just generalize something as broadly as "too many drones."
there was clearly a very technical, specific reason why the node crashed, and probably had something to do with some particular piece of code not scaling too well and being inefficient and causing extreme load etc etc.
when you fix a problem like this, and run it through again, sometimes a different part of the code breaks.
if it was a singular thing that they couldn't fix, eg "our nodes jut can't handle this many drones -- ever, and never will be able to" - CCP would just come out and say that.
they have been incredibly candid and honest about the limitations of the nodes before and how, when, and why they crash. why do you think, in this particular instance, they are lying?
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Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:27:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:Haha this thread just gets better and better, now a black legion guy knows how much CPU a carrier uses as compared to the other ships in EVE
EDIT: And running off this guys numbers, each domi can launch half a carriers drone bandwidth so that would mean 600 domis take up the same CPU as 1800 players. Same with Ishtars, damn those dirty ishtars. Both of those ships dont carry over 300 flights of sentries.
Whats that got to do with anything? You can carry 10's of 1000's of rounds of ammo in your cargo hold, does that cause massive lag as well?
Come on baltec1, lets hear your definitive actual evidence you have that its the drones that were used all through the fountain fighting (that had no node deaths) are the responsible party and not the ever shifting nature of EVE's decade old code base?
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:27:00 -
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I don't agree with you but I'm tired of saying the same things.
I doubt you would ever admit slowcats are slightly unbalanced.
Grath Telkin wrote:
And try not to cry about what we have and you don't, there was peace in the south, everybody was getting their share, you started a war and now you're unhappy with how its going, sounds like you picked on the wrong guy to me.
Where exactly do you see crying?
And in typical PL narcissist mentality you assume everyone wants to have what you have?
Why would I want what you have? I want less of what you have in the game.
It's all to do with the health of EvE... and how **** two blue donuts dickwaving is.
But yeah I take it you think the ~16 regions your coalition holds should never change hands.. right? |
baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:30:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:
have you ever programmed a thing in your life?
Have you?
Pinky Hops wrote:ccp specifically said it had to do with what they called "programming errors."
They haven't said anything on what those errors are and they haven't said that drones are not having a big impact with the node deaths.
The simple fact is that the nodes are only going down when the slowcats are being deployed. The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:32:00 -
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Zulu Death Mask wrote:
But yeah I take it you think the ~16 regions your coalition holds should never change hands.. right?
No, but incidentally did you know that Fountain/Tribute/Tenal/Branch were the only regions to change hands in recent memory that we didn't assist in?
Evidently our milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Pinky Hops
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used.
1) That's nothing new - as me and several other people have already pointed out to you.
2) Even if it were "new" - you are still forgetting that an expansion just came out. I think it's safe to say that is "new." I still have minor display bugs that are new to Rubicon - never had them before. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:33:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
Whats that got to do with anything?
You can bomb those drones away and kill the ships deploying them. Slowcats never run out of dones and cannot be removed from the fight like subcaps are.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used.
Yea if you ignore all that new code that came with Odyssey 1.1 and Rubicon...
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:35:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used. 1) That's nothing new - as me and several other people have already pointed out to you. 2) Even if it were "new" - you are still forgetting that an expansion just came out. I think it's safe to say that is "new." I still have minor display bugs that are new to Rubicon - never had them before.
1. yes, it is new. Fleets have never relied upon drones and they have never launched as many as they are now.
2. Fights between bigger subcap fleets have taken place after the last expansion and they are not causing node deaths
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:36:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used. Yea if you ignore all that new code that came with Odyssey 1.1 and Rubicon...
So why are subcap fleets not causing these issues? Why is it only when the slowcats are deployed?
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:37:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
Whats that got to do with anything?
You can bomb those drones away and kill the ships deploying them. Slowcats never run out of dones and cannot be removed from the fight like subcaps are.
No no, don't try and morph one thing into another like some freakish Republican Senator.
You said drones caused lag, some other guy said that 300 slowcats used as much CPU as 1800 people, i said 'come on now thats made up because that would mean 600 domis use as much CPU as 1800 people"
at that point you said "yea but theres all those drones in the drone bay" and I asked you directly, what unlaunched drones have to do with anything becuase that would imply that unfired stored ammunition should have the same problem, and I waited for your answer.
It turns out your answer appears to be a whine about how you can't just use 120 bombers to rid yourself of the problem so lets get back to the original question:
How are unlaunched drones causing issues that unfired ammunition isn't?
What actual code proof do you have to back up you claims or are you just talking out of your ass?
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SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:38:00 -
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It doesn't take much to actually think about what the server has to account for, per tick, for each ship vs each drone. They all share remarkably similar requirements. The ship will have a few more modules that the cpu would have to account for...but then again, some of those modules also affect the players drones as well. So yeah, if a carrier can launches 5 drones at a time, that's very likely taking almost the same cpu requirement as 6 ships in space. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:40:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
What actual code proof do you have to back up you claims or are you just talking out of your ass?
What code proof do you have that they are not?
Its an odd coincidence that the node deaths are only happening when slowcats are being deployed against domi fleets.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:42:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
2. Fights between bigger subcap fleets have taken place after the last expansion and they are not causing node deaths
baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used. Yea if you ignore all that new code that came with Odyssey 1.1 and Rubicon... So why are subcap fleets not causing these issues? Why is it only when the slowcats are deployed?
I'll address both of these lies at once since thats what they are:
There have been no fights at all bigger than fountain saw, period end of story, there has been nothing comparable to that at all, not even close. In fact this is the largest clash since the summer expansions hit, nothing has gone on in EVE of any size for two full expansions.
You have zero evidence to back up any claim you are making right now, while you sit posting ignoring the actual facts of the past 6 months of EVE game play. You have zero idea if the game can support a 3k man fight because there hasn't been one eve close to it, you are fabricating a problem that you have zero back up or technical knowledge to support, literally, you are talking out of your ass.
Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
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Rhatar Khurin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:42:00 -
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:44:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
There have been no fights at all bigger than fountain saw
Where did I say that?
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
What actual code proof do you have to back up you claims or are you just talking out of your ass?
What code proof do you have that they are not?
I have zero need for code proof because i have two things on my side:
1) I'm not making baseless uneducated claims about whats breaking the game, you are, so you would then bear the burden of evidence
2) I have a Dev post to collaborate what I'm saying, see how they all tie nicely together without needing any magical bullet or hanging chad?
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
There have been no fights at all bigger than fountain saw
Where did I say that?
Post #158, point #2, do try and keep up with your own conspiracy crap, its tiresome constantly pointing out both what you've already said and whats wrong
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:47:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
There have been no fights at all bigger than fountain saw
Where did I say that?
Grath Telkin wrote:[
You have zero evidence to back up any claim you are making right now, while you sit posting ignoring the actual facts of the past 6 months of EVE game play. You have zero idea if the game can support a 3k man fight because there hasn't been one eve close to it, you are fabricating a problem that you have zero back up or technical knowledge to support, literally, you are talking out of your ass.
The biggest fight in EVE had over 4k people and did not result in a node death. So yea, I know EVE can handle a 3k fight, but we arnt talking about a 3k fight, or even one with 2k.
They are doing down with just 1200 in local, fights that are not all that special in numbers.
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Vembuvend
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:48:00 -
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:48:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:Zulu Death Mask wrote:
But yeah I take it you think the ~16 regions your coalition holds should never change hands.. right?
No, but incidentally did you know that Fountain/Tribute/Tenal/Branch were the only regions to change hands in recent memory that we didn't assist in? Evidently our milkshake brings all the boys to the yard
If by milkshake you mean yours and NC. cap/super/titan fleet then yeah. Is that surprising?
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Zulu Death Mask
Yaxchilan
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:50:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
2) I have a Dev post to collaborate what I'm saying, see how they all tie nicely together without needing any magical bullet or hanging chad?
But the dev posts says nothing about Drones.
And the node has crashed since they deployed the fix.
This is so confusing :( |
Grath Telkin
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:
There have been no fights at all bigger than fountain saw
Where did I say that? Grath Telkin wrote:[
You have zero evidence to back up any claim you are making right now, while you sit posting ignoring the actual facts of the past 6 months of EVE game play. You have zero idea if the game can support a 3k man fight because there hasn't been one eve close to it, you are fabricating a problem that you have zero back up or technical knowledge to support, literally, you are talking out of your ass.
The biggest fight in EVE had over 4k people and did not result in a node death. So yea, I know EVE can handle a 3k fight, but we arnt talking about a 3k fight, or even one with 2k. .
You
Don't
Know
That
I can't spell it out any more clearly than that, you literally have no idea if the game can still handle that because....and here's the important part that keeps bouncing off your thick skull...
The game code has changed since those fights.
What part of this do you not understand so we can go over it slowly.
Jesus christ its not like you're new to EVE baltec, CCP changes the code and things change, sometimes those things are silly and stupid, sometimes not so much (like when your dread would sige and fire all its ammo at once, or deletes your .ini file). Sometimes **** goes sideways and they have to work out why, pointing all the blame at the boogey man thats beating you in a war is something that only an idiot would do.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:51:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
1) I'm not making baseless uneducated claims about whats breaking the game, you are, so you would then bear the burden of evidence
And I have posted it, the uncanny fact that the node deaths are only happening when slowcat fleets are involved with our domi fleets.
Grath Telkin wrote:
2) I have a Dev post to collaborate what I'm saying, see how they all tie nicely together without needing any magical bullet or hanging chad?
Your dev post makes no mention of drones, at all.
We are pointing out that the massive loads are being caused by drones, CCP stated that issues have happened while the node has been under great stress. The two are connected.
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Grath Telkin wrote:baltec1 wrote:The only thing new is the huge number of drones being used. Yea if you ignore all that new code that came with Odyssey 1.1 and Rubicon... So why are subcap fleets not causing these issues? Why is it only when the slowcats are deployed?
You mean the 2k F1 pubbies you jump on those slowcats do'nt count suddenly?
You heard it here first folks, the nodes die when a system only has carriers in local, not a single subcap ship was in seven jumps from that node when it keeled. |
baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:52:00 -
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Grath Telkin wrote:
You
Don't
Know
That
I can't spell it out any more clearly than that, you literally have no idea if the game can still handle that because....and here's the important part that keeps bouncing off your thick skull...
So the nodes suddenly cannot support fights that they have been supporting for years?
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baltec1
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:54:00 -
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Ssoraszh Tzarszh wrote:
You mean the 2k F1 pubbies you jump on those slowcats do'nt count suddenly?
You heard it here first folks, the nodes die when a system only has carriers in local, not a single subcap ship was in seven jumps from that node when it keeled.
We havent been dumping 2k people, thats the point.
We are seeing node deaths with smaller fleets than usually used in fights.
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Pinky Hops
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Posted - 2013.12.24 17:59:00 -
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also guys: we all know domis don't launch drones.
in fact, clearly the only ships in the game that launch drones are carriers.
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Grath Telkin
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Posted - 2013.12.24 18:00:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:
So the nodes suddenly cannot support fights that they have been supporting for years?
Welcome to the same thing that everybody else who wasn't sucking on rocks decided, minus the years part because no, eve hasn't supported 4k man fights for years at all.
Something in the EVE code is now breaking when its making a lot of calculations.
Might this happen in heavy subcap numbers? Yes but we don't know.
Do the nodes perform fine when its just slowcats and 4-500 sub caps? Yes but who knows what the tipping number is.
Could bombs have something to do with it? Sure, bombs blowing up **** has always made EVE poop its pants.
Could SOV have something to do with it? Sure in the last big brawl the system lost the farm when the TCU onlined
So really it could be anything, anything at all, having and adverse effect on the code, for you to say 'OH ITS THE CARRIERS" makes you look like a moron, because you literally have less idea than I do and I'm technically on the same level as the Clovis people.
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