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Rells
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Posted - 2006.03.14 11:42:00 -
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A chineese server I can see given the strange laws in that country. Cant expose chineese to decadent western lifestyle can we?
However, in russia, australia and so on, there are no such barricades and I see no reason why they cant happily join us.
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Sharcy
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:00:00 -
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 Originally by: Oveur
Further clarifcation of what regions would qualify as adequate market size and have a sufficient language barrier to justify a licensing partnership, Korea and Japan would be good examples, Australia (primarily English speaking) and Bulgaria (Way too small) are not.!
So... Given that, is opening up a french server and moving all those #%&@#$%! Gallente to it, an option?  
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Sun Ra
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:09:00 -
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I want on this server, imagine all those newbs to rape, it'll be just like the start of tq again 
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Steven Dynahir
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:36:00 -
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What on earth are you talking about them getting PF?
And just to clarify, it's called licensing, not franchise, there is actually a big difference although it might not be obvious.
Our strategy is to license to partners interested in deploying and operating a fully localized universe of EVE Online in markets where the language barrier - and of course the market size - justifies it.
You see, there are more than 6.5 billion people in the world and arguing that they all know english and thus should just play on Tranquility is borderline ignorance.
Should we not do fully localized versions of EVE so they can play at all - just because of our own pride to have a single universe? No.
Further clarifcation of what regions would qualify as adequate market size and have a sufficient language barrier to justify a licensing partnership, Korea and Japan would be good examples, Australia (primarily English speaking) and Bulgaria (Way too small) are not.
This about opening up EVE to people that can't play on Tranquility!
Senior Producer
EVE Online
Did you consider an alternative where Localization would have been done in-game?
Say region group 1 is localized as English, and region group 2 is localized as Chinese.
One could interarct between these region groups (or galaxies), but when changing the group the localization kicks in.
You could model the galaxy system to resemble the world and put intergalaxy jumpgates with heavy warnings that the language is about to change to something completely different.
That way, all the people in the world could come together in single EVE and still retain their localization. Also this would allow smaller level of localization since the market group could be expanded with less people & Yarrrd-ware.
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WildHope
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Posted - 2006.03.14 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Oveur
And just to clarify, it's called licensing, not franchise, there is actually a big difference although it might not be obvious.
Apologies for (if any) offense, I meant my last comment to be some light banter.
TBH if the two worlds are kept completely seperate, I don't really understand people's problem with this, it seems slightly pedantic.
One question though Oveur, as you have less direct control over that server than with franchising, will the Chinese Eve licencees be allowed to develop their own code in response to specific requests from their users?
If not, and all code changes are made by CCP only, does that mean in-game changes due to requests from the Chinese sever will have to affect us in Tranquility (and vice versa of course).
Wildhope
ShinRa
Curse Alliance (may it last 1000 generations)
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nahtoh
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Chonjya
Oh ok nahton..U done some research?
Gaijin just means..gai>OUT Jin>people/person..
Read into that want u want..He could of used some nicer kanji like Gaikokujin but dont read it like he was being bad..You will just prove him right?
Once again with respect.
Chonyja/Kobe,Japan
With respect Chonyja he/she should not have a go about supected racism with such loaded words and yes if he had used the full word rather than the shorted version that would have been a different thing for that peticular word.
Don't mean jack about the other one though does it?
And sorry don't see your last point.
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Ricdics
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:50:00 -
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They had better not shard Australia. I love playing on Tranq, and will close my accounts too, the second I hear that Australians are being squashed onto their own server.
Sure we might get better latency, but ffs this isnt a FPS game, and my 24mbit connection doesnt have any problems even with them.
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.14 14:52:00 -
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Australia don't have any obscure laws and stuff, right?
It's just Blizzard and the Teletubby Mobsquad that can't handle lag 
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Ricdics
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Posted - 2006.03.14 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Asane
Australia don't have any obscure laws and stuff, right?
It's just Blizzard and the Teletubby Mobsquad that can't handle lag
Our only law is that we increase tourism by annoying Pom's with our "Where the bloody hell are you" advertising campaigns. Would this justify us being stuck with our own server?
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Herko Kerghans
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:09:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Oveur
That's all waiting for our very nice Evelopedia.
Hum... sounds yummy...
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:41:00 -
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"TBH if the two worlds are kept completely seperate, I don't really understand people's problem with this, it seems slightly pedantic."
It's difference between ability to be the best in the world, and the best in given country / state / city (depending how much detailed the "separation for the sake of shielding people from having to meet someone raised in different culture" goes)
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Khaldorn Murino
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Posted - 2006.03.14 16:51:00 -
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I envy them, starting from scratch :) Its a pity there really isnt the technology for a real text coversion, cos id really like to see what they get up to. I mean, Imagine!
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:14:00 -
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Technically, it's not a shard since you'd have to switch to a region-specific internet provider and create a new Eve-Online China account to access Serenity, no?
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Chonjya
Don't mean jack about the other one though does it?
And what is exactly is your interpetation of the "other" one?
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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Demiurge Ialdaboth
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:15:00 -
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I cant see a reason why this isn't a good idea, CCP gets more customers, they get more money and thus have more resources. EVE is a great game and as Oveur has stated the language barrier is enough justification to move this through. I doubt anyone wants to see a sudden influx of thousands of non-english speakers flying around on Tranquility (I can just imagine pirates crying as they're swarmed by hundreds of tiny frigates in 0.0 all yelling ni hao!)
From a business point of view, and also preserving what we have on TQ, this is a great oppertunity to improve the game in all aspects. |
Ramov Tinoga
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:18:00 -
[135]
Originally by: Oveur
Should we not do fully localized versions of EVE so they can play at all - just because of our own pride to have a single universe? No.
It's what makes most events on sharded MMORPGs pointless:
"We were the first on Server #12341 in Country ABC to beat the big bad ugly whatever thingy."
What's the point to be considered "the best", if you cannot compete with "the other best" because they're on a different server?
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Ramov Tinoga
What's the point to be considered "the best", if you cannot compete with "the other best" because they're on a different server?
But in order to conform with PRC laws, this version of EVE wouldn't be the exact same one we all enjoy here. In light of these changes, we may be talking about a vastly different game here.
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:45:00 -
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"But in order to conform with PRC laws (..)"
I believe this part isn't about the law-enforced Chinese server, but about the new sentiment displayed by Oveur, which involves separate copy of localized world for each ethnic group deemed worthy in terms of income...
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.14 17:59:00 -
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can you ccp please please please please please please tell me the following
will the china server have gallente
and will it have corporation votes
thanks in advance for your answer
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
[MACE]
[ATUK]
EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy! |
j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:06:00 -
[139]
"will the china server have gallente"
Looks like it
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Asane
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ramov Tinoga
It's what makes most events on sharded MMORPGs pointless:
"We were the first on Server #12341 in Country ABC to beat the big bad ugly whatever thingy."
What's the point to be considered "the best", if you cannot compete with "the other best" because they're on a different server?
Well it's either a special for them, or no EVE at all.
The point still stands, this is just an exception due to lack of choices,
they're still 'the best'
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StiZum Hilidii
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:34:00 -
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i wonder if in their discription in eve china ti will mention about gallente elections
STAN
FACTA NON VERBA
[MACE]
[ATUK]
EvE player against EvE in china. Gallente people are all about democracy! |
Raem Civrie
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:42:00 -
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I wonder when people will finally shut up and accept the fact that CCP may just know what they are doing, and even if they don't know what they're doing, then it's their own mistake to make.
I've been prancing around this game for more than five years now, and one thing I've learned so far is that CCP can't mess up the game as much as the fanbois could.
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Xrak
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
i wonder if in their discription in eve china ti will mention about gallente elections
Sure they will. I mean the Gallente have taken months (years soon?) to do them. This super efficiency will be an inspiration to all!
oh wait.....
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Vang Vorkain
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:49:00 -
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yea looks like ccp has started its first shard! lolrof! they can no longer claim one shard one world NO MORE!... ccp is turning into a corp giant! and there looking for your money only!
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:51:00 -
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"i wonder if in their discription in eve china ti will mention about gallente elections"
If the google translation is to be believed, the description on Chinese server is actually way more blunt about Gallente democracy, than the in-character version on the 'main' server is:
"Gailun The Federation is the only democracy in the world Eve system. It encompasses several national and Gelun special was the biggest one nation. There are other Intaki, Mannar and Jin-Mei. All national nominally equal national rights, they often transcend all cultures and beliefs. From an extreme angle, a bit like the United States in many areas of the Federation. Western European countries are also cultural impact above everything.
From social status, and seeing where exactly the Federation of Economic States diametrically opposite. In the Federation, with a special emphasis on personal freedom. Perhaps because they are Eve world free philosophy and the only democracy advocates, they more determined their conviction that they are trying this world the torch of freedom and democracy, and other countries are living in oppression and tyranny of the tragic world."
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Vang Vorkain
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Naleb Cilani
Technically, it's not a shard since you'd have to switch to a region-specific internet provider and create a new Eve-Online China account to access Serenity, no?
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Chonjya
Don't mean jack about the other one though does it?
And what is exactly is your interpetation of the "other" one?
LOLROF yes its a shard! u will not be playing with the same pep from TQ as u will on the china shard!
so yes diffrent shard diffrent game! just like all the other online games!
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Naleb Cilani
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Posted - 2006.03.14 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vang Vorkain
LOLROF yes its a shard! u will not be playing with the same pep from TQ as u will on the china shard!
so yes diffrent shard diffrent game! just like all the other online games!
So we will be able to access Serenity with our current clients and Tranq accounts?
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if the repeatedly stated (not by players mind you) rules of the game don't agree with your "vision" of what this game ought to be... get lost.
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Zac Paris
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Posted - 2006.03.14 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Zac Paris on 14/03/2006 19:26:22
Originally by: StiZum Hilidii
i wonder if in their discription in eve china ti will mention about gallente elections
I don't think the subject of elections is forbidden in China.
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2006.03.14 19:32:00 -
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Edited by: j0sephine on 14/03/2006 19:33:03
"So we will be able to access Serenity with our current clients and Tranq accounts?"
That doesn't make a server any less of a shard -- plenty current games will prohibit you access based on your 'net provider, physical location and/or lack of ID number you can only get if you happen to be a citizen of one country or another... and they openly call these servers shards. Because it's what they are: a virtual copy of the same game universe, just with different set of people in it.
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.03.14 19:41:00 -
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Shards are lame.
If everyone in eve was form my country/state/town I wouldn't want to play.
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