... or you could just give us proper gifts for the 365 days of content we provide the company to brag about.

... or you could just give us proper gifts for the 365 days of content we provide the company to brag about.

You mean like their expansions and patches and continued dedication to improving the game?
The only thing your subscription obligates them to provide is an account on their server with which to play the game. There's no contractual requirement for them to do any development or iteration at all.

There's no contractual obligation for me to be grateful for crappy gifts, go figure.

You mean like their expansions and patches and continued dedication to improving the game?
The only thing your subscription obligates them to provide is an account on their server with which to play the game. There's no contractual requirement for them to do any development or iteration at all.

If CCP didn't provide expansions they would lose subs.

If the players did not provide content they would not gain as many subs.

So yeah, pretty sure CCP needs to keep us happy. Just keeping servers open doesn't warrant a subscription charge as many games do that for free.

So yeah, pretty sure CCP needs to keep us happy.

How to Fix People Who Complain About Gifts:

Dock them a remap, or 5mil SP.

Posting in a "butthurt about people being butthurt" thread.

Massive butthurt thread. Two of them actually.

Posting in a "butthurt about people being butthurt" thread.

buttception.

Are you going to play nice, this time, or are you going to get all your comments zapped by ISD, again?
If you can insult me with some semblance of intellect, I welcome your contradictions. If you're just going to be petulant, again, then please go away.

Stop giving us gifts. Either that, or only give us avatar items from now on.
I am willing to submit 20 designs per year... that's 10 individual avatar items for both the anniversary and Christmas... 5 items for each gender. I will work for no compensation. I do not want to be a CCP employee, at this time. I am offering a service, free of charge, so that the forums stop sounding like a daycare that just got told they're getting a carrot sticks instead of cookies for snack time.

I'm not even playing. This is stupid, and I want to help you fix it. I say again: I do not want money... I just want to improve my second-favorite world (IRL being my favorite, though not by much).

or do what they did a few years ago and give us gifts that didn't suck?

or do what they did a few years ago and give us gifts that didn't suck?

Nope. Sure ain't. Douchenozzle.

no

If you want to make vanity items for CCP, then just do it. Model them, texture them, and post your results for everyone to see in GD, on youtube and in a blog. CCP will use them if they're good and if you get enough community attention. And you will have done a great thing for the Eve-O community. But asking CCP to stop giving out gifts for you to do this is silly.

Just do it. Eve needs a modding community. You could be the start of it if your willing to put the work in.

I'd actually like to see more avatar items go up.

What was the gift you talk about?

go check out the 2011 gifts.

The only people whining are the more experienced players

What's this now?
You'd be hard-pressed to find a bitter-er bittervet than me. And I'm complaining about people complaining, not about the free stuff the Devs gave us. Check yo'self.

lol, no. I'm not trying to make a blanket statement about EVE veterans, but just try to find a rookie that will sit there and complain about the stuff he got. For free. From the game designers. For free. Hell, I'm sitting on some brand new Tech II gear that I don't have the skills to use (yet).

crappy gifts

To sum up EVE, it's primary a game where the object is to push your opponents over, sit on their heads, and feed them metaphorical punches until their teeth fly out. Secondarily, it's a environment geared toward competitive commerce (rampant, opportunistic capitalism), whether that's mining, manufacturing or other scientific pursuits.

The notion of complaining about receiving anything for free isn't something that should ever pop into an EVE player's mind. You kids have been spoiled with free shuttles and implants and bling (tugs on his shirt) for far too long. If your holiday gift was a pulse laser up the arse, that would be something you should have a giggle about and be thankful for.

Crappy gifts. Yeesh.

It's really the younger folks that started playing AFTER the first couple rounds of awesome gifts. I think everyone is still kind of high on the Gnosis, and expects better gifts, now. Which is why I came up with the idea of "no more gifts".
The *real* bittervets remember back when "oh, cool.... free bonus remap" was a common phrase throughout the playerbase on Christmas Day... most of those guys are saying "can we just stop getting gifts if people are going to act like this?".

It's really the younger folks that started playing AFTER the first couple rounds of awesome gifts. I think everyone is still kind of high on the Gnosis, and expects better gifts, now. Which is why I came up with the idea of "no more gifts".
The *real* bittervets remember back when "oh, cool.... free bonus remap" was a common phrase throughout the playerbase on Christmas Day... most of those guys are saying "can we just stop getting gifts if people are going to act like this?".

Ah, gotcha. But man, a free bonus remap? That's insanely awesome. Hell, I'm giddy over the Leopard, though

Ah, well. You got in-game items with no strings attached whether you're new or have been playing since the beta. As usual, people misguidedly think they have the right or are entitled to complain. Makes me wonder how many of the whiners are fellow Americans *activates hate shield*

Let's face it man.... most of them. I am pretty sure we're the only country that does "trophy for showing up, even if you lost".
And I almost died, hundreds of times for these sorry ingrates.

You mean like their expansions and patches and continued dedication to improving the game?
The only thing your subscription obligates them to provide is an account on their server with which to play the game. There's no contractual requirement for them to do any development or iteration at all.

It's a double-edged sword, in my opinion. Naturally, I can't really put together an analogy that accurately follows my line of thought, but, in essence, it's when people start demanding that participation medal or complain that "It sucks" that pisses me off.

Should CCP have given out these gifts? Did they absolutely need to? No, not at all. You may have the freedom to ***** and moan, but you don't have the right.

Also, may I ask during what years you were on active service?

Unwarranted "durr americans all stupid" in this thread.

However apparently a super fast 30 million ISK ship that can be flown by any player, even a low skill alt, is a cr@p free bonus that is insulting to players?

As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....

If the players did not provide content they would not gain as many subs..

There's no contractual obligation for me to be grateful for crappy gifts, go figure.

gift.. keyword there

its noy a payment for services rendered, its soemthing that was given for you, a dev spent the 5 mins whatever to alter the minmatar shuttle code, while another photoshopped a new skin in 30 mins the whacked it together and GAVE it to you.

if you cannot understand what a gift is, and how it differs to a payment then Eve is FAR to complex for you.

go back to lego

There are currently multiple "want to buy" contracts out there for 30 mill ISK or more per ship for the Leopard.

However apparently a super fast 30 million ISK ship that can be flown by any player, even a low skill alt, is a cr@p free bonus that is insulting to players?

Some people are ridiculous.

I liked the avatar gifts. Better than the random modules. Oh, and the leopard. The leopard is sexy. Do that again.

Wasn't that the year they gave us the Echelon?

As an American, myself, I believe my opinion on that subject is a little more valid than an outsider's.
We're definitely not the best and brightest, out there. Our education is for crap, and our country is full of science-denying nitwits, led by theiving lawyers that nobody will force out of office because "they're totally sorry and fully won't ever do it again... they said so on TV".....

We still have a good many of the best and the brightest, but it is changing as we continue to move towards rewarding failure and mediocrity and punishing achievement. The exceptions for now seem to be in politics (where greed, lies and corruption are still the ticket for success), professional sports and entertainment.

GÇ£Since the desires of men are insatiable, Nature prompting them to desire all things and Fortune permitting them to enjoy but few, there results a constant discontent in their minds, and a loathing of what they possess, prompting them to find fault with the present, praise the past, and long for the future, even though they be not moved thereto by any reasonable cause.GÇ¥
The Discourses: II, Preface

Some short time ago it was very popular in eve to have a quote from machiavelli in your sig. One such quote that has really influenced me is about generosity.



Generosity is a trap for the established leader, once you give something people expect more and when they do not receive ever improving gifts they forget their joy at the gifts they once enjoyed and curse their benefactor as misers.

It is an ugly side of human nature, something for people in business to beware of.

We still have a good many of the best and the brightest, but it is changing as we continue to move towards rewarding failure and mediocrity and punishing achievement. The exceptions for now seem to be in politics (where greed, lies and corruption are still the ticket for success), professional sports and entertainment.

2004-2012. I've been out just over a year. 13F Fire Support Specialist/Forward Observer, US Army. Did a good chunk of my time with 2ID in both Korea, and Ft. Lewis.

Unsuccessful should be my co-organizer on this one. We think alike.

Just GǣfixGǥ them the same way you do any other unruly pet when it gets to the same ageGǪ