Nice one: https://zkillboard.com/detail/35553868/

Nice one: https://zkillboard.com/detail/35553868/

People are still hauling 500M worth cargo in puny industrials, that is outrageous.

Sometimes it obviously takes some events to finally take decisions. I am playing EVE since 2008, just 1-2h per week as real life is still some kind of important :).

Now I just learned that a fully armored (2 shield extenders) Tayra with 600 MIO ISK freight (my ship and freight of course,) can be blown out of space in INARO (a 0.8 high sec system!!!!!) with just one shot from a 1400mm canon of some player playing EVE sind November this year.

How - for god's sake - can something like this happen in HIGH SEC space. I was even flying the route coming from Jita "in manual", meaning flying from gate to gate by clicking it myself. So NO autopilot. The moment my Tayra got visible because of warping to the next gate exploded, releasing my pod. The guy started shooting at my pod also but that moment I hit warp and was not destroyed.

But - again - how can this happen in HIGH SEC space? I think CCP could balance something like this. Anybody an idea?

Well - maybe off to Star Citizen in the near future, there I can at least blame loosing my ship on my bad flying skills :)


Jim

Wow you people are dense.

Now I just learned that a fully armored (2 shield extenders) Tayra

That's an even dumber trolling attempt than the last one of that other guy. The mindless zombies will still fall for it though.

Also: lose. Not "loose". Stupid.

Sometimes it obviously takes some events to finally take decisions. I am playing EVE since 2008, just 1-2h per week as real life is still some kind of important :).

Now I just learned that a fully armored (2 shield extenders) Tayra with 600 MIO ISK freight (my ship and freight of course,) can be blown out of space in INARO (a 0.8 high sec system!!!!!) with just one shot from a 1400mm canon of some player playing EVE sind November this year.

How - for god's sake - can something like this happen in HIGH SEC space. I was even flying the route coming from Jita "in manual", meaning flying from gate to gate by clicking it myself. So NO autopilot. The moment my Tayra got visible because of warping to the next gate exploded, releasing my pod. The guy started shooting at my pod also but that moment I hit warp and was not destroyed.

But - again - how can this happen in HIGH SEC space? I think CCP could balance something like this. Anybody an idea?

Well - maybe off to Star Citizen in the near future, there I can at least blame loosing my ship on my bad flying skills :)


Jim

Can I have your stuff? Please....

Chill OP half the people here who talk tough on the forums, cry like little bitches when they lose a ship too.

Sometimes it obviously takes some events to finally take decisions. I am playing EVE since 2008, just 1-2h per week as real life is still some kind of important :).

Now I just learned that a fully armored (2 shield extenders) Tayra with 600 MIO ISK freight (my ship and freight of course,) can be blown out of space in INARO (a 0.8 high sec system!!!!!) with just one shot from a 1400mm canon of some player playing EVE sind November this year.

How - for god's sake - can something like this happen in HIGH SEC space. I was even flying the route coming from Jita "in manual", meaning flying from gate to gate by clicking it myself. So NO autopilot. The moment my Tayra got visible because of warping to the next gate exploded, releasing my pod. The guy started shooting at my pod also but that moment I hit warp and was not destroyed.

But - again - how can this happen in HIGH SEC space? I think CCP could balance something like this. Anybody an idea?

Well - maybe off to Star Citizen in the near future, there I can at least blame loosing my ship on my bad flying skills :)


Jim

I think CCP could balance something like this. Anybody an idea?

Not yet. :) Some people here just grabbed my attention ;)

Not yet. :) Some people here just grabbed my attention ;)

Don't give your stuff to someone that won't even post with their main.

Where do I start?

1. Get a T1 Varients
2. Use cargo expanders (It lowers your EHP by quite a bit, but ok)
3. Don't add resistance mods just extenders
4. Never avoid Jita
5. Don't use armor plates
6. Never break up your cargo so it's economicaly worth ganking you.
7. When a Tornado or Catalyst are on grid when your hauling attack ASAP
8. Always autopilot
9. Never usa a scout.
10. Never avoid Jita

I could go on but the above is a very bad starting point for you.

Prejudice? Assumptions might be tricky my friend. Human history show it done so much harm in the past. To everyone :(

Eventually, maybe, if we are lucky, some accountant will be able to win the boardroom battle against the people that think it is great fun building a game skewed wildly towards the sociopaths, and new CCP leaders will get the concept that rejoicing at the killing of "carebears" is not a smart business plan.

Eventually, maybe, if we are lucky, some accountant will be able to win the boardroom battle against the people that think it is great fun building a game skewed wildly towards the sociopaths, and new CCP leaders will get the concept that rejoicing at the killing of "carebears" is not a smart business plan.

It's not prejudice. Some of my best mates are forum alts. :p
However... rewarding people who hide behind forum alts just perpetuates the problem.
I assure you that this name you know so well on the forums is the same name you'll see in your overview, associated with a red box and your hp decreasing. Anonymity is for chumps.

1.0 space suppose to be safe simple as that.

reason why EvE have like 50% of their player base left, and still dropping.

Nice one: https://zkillboard.com/detail/35553868/

Exactly.... 99.999% of people on ANY Internet Forum ever cannot seem to spell lose correctly. It truely is mass stupidity...

Eventually, maybe, if we are lucky, some accountant will be able to win the boardroom battle against the people that think it is great fun building a game skewed wildly towards the sociopaths, and new CCP leaders will get the concept that rejoicing at the killing of "carebears" is not a smart business plan.

The next gank, about 1h later is much nicer... https://zkillboard.com/detail/35554720/
May be it will let James feel better, that he's not the man who lost the most ISK there.

I don't get it, which expensive items ppl haul in these paper made industrials...
You can never fit enough tank to avoid a gank with these ships.
Those items I would always let become hauled via a transport contract to Red Frog...

Just my 2ct

1-2h per week

Wow. The loot fairy really likes Steve Keebler. A Stratios and 4 Macks in one afternoon. Nice. But wasn't Tippia just saying that surviving on gate scraps was less profitable a couple days ago and that these kinds of ganks were on the decline? haha

Somebody better tell Steve.

YK

Exactly.... 99.999% of people on ANY Internet Forum ever cannot seem to spell lose correctly. It truely is mass stupidity...

For the OP:

High-sec isn't the USA or Europe in terms of safety, crime prevention and/or general security.

Instead, think of high-sec in terms of Mexico or Columbia where cartels and/or rebel groups are/were willfully flouting the law, to put it mildly. On one hand, egregious criminal acts will bring down the Federales (think CONCORD.) However, outside of that, the law is pretty weak, especially if you're an individual.

Got a link for that? Judging by the ammount of T1 industrial kills appearing on a certain killboard, T1 industrial ganking is more prolific than ever. People just won't stop jamming everything they own in to untanked industrials.

The next gank, about 1h later is much nicer... https://zkillboard.com/detail/35554720/
May be it will let James feel better, that he's not the man who lost the most ISK there.

I don't get it, which expensive items ppl haul in these paper made industrials...
You can never fit enough tank to avoid a gank with these ships.
Those items I would always let become hauled via a transport contract to Red Frog...

Just my 2ct

That "Plastic Wrap" that dropped... isn-¦t that an indication that this kill was a Courier Contract already? Or am I wrong?

The other tread op gave me 100m , can i haz your stuff too?

edit: i see ppl with even 3 shield extenders get popped , you guys need to armor your hauling vessals moar.

[Tayra, 52K EHP]

Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Damage Control II

Medium Shield Extender II
Medium Shield Extender II
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Medium Shield Extender II

[Empty High slot]
[Empty High slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II


People just dont get it, if you want to mine afk you need to fit a tank.

Definitely worth ganking...

I wouldn't have tried that jump, but maybe it's just me.

People are still hauling 500M worth cargo in puny industrials, that is outrageous.

So, would it be wrong to petition CCP to remaned General Discussion to "i need some way to blame the game or other people for my own imcompetence" discussion?

If only there were these industrial style ships that couldn't scanned that people could train for to move valuable stuff.......

Got a link for that? Judging by the ammount of T1 industrial kills appearing on a certain killboard, T1 industrial ganking is more prolific than ever. People just won't stop jamming everything they own in to untanked industrials.

Incorrect on all counts.

I get my data from the simple fact that I used to make good money from sitting on the Jita undock or Perimeter gate(s) stealing gank loot, and you could count the CONCORD clouds along every highway. The money is gone, as are the clouds (and not just in the sense that they don't appear in force like in the olden days).

This makes it based on an observed reality, unlike every claim ever made about some supposed increase in ganking.

So, would it be wrong to petition CCP to remaned General Discussion to "i need some way to blame the game or other people for my own imcompetence" discussion?

If only there were these industrial style ships that couldn't scanned that people could train for to move valuable stuff.......

Blockade Runners fit with cloak warping to 0 at each gate.

Why didn't you just post that simple info instead of hiding it within a bunch of sarcastic remarks?



DMC

Blockade Runners fit with cloak warping to 0 at each gate.

Why didn't you just post that simple info instead of hiding it within a bunch of sarcastic remarks?



DMC

Exactly.... 99.999% of people on ANY Internet Forum ever cannot seem to spell lose correctly. It truely is mass stupidity...

To the OP, I suggest you not biomass anything, because by leaving the chars and assets intact adds a few more bytes of storage strain for CCP.

Eventually, maybe, if we are lucky, some accountant will be able to win the boardroom battle against the people that think it is great fun building a game skewed wildly towards the sociopaths, and new CCP leaders will get the concept that rejoicing at the killing of "carebears" is not a smart business plan.

Truly, it is.

Wow you people are dense.

CONCORD had to finish their donuts before answering the call.

Just one thing I don't understand... this player behind the killing has killed 25 ships with only 2 losses all in 0.8 or higher areas.... how is this play not getting Concord'd?

Thanks

Once you undock you are not safe anywhere in EvE, that's the way it has always been. Get it through you head, CCP intended for this type of gameplay and still support it.

I'm just shocked that someone who's been playing for 5 years is so ignorant of basic game mechanics. Bears be bearin' I suppose,

Thanks McPew. I might keep those advises in mind. Seems like I should have been more careful :)


To people like Magna, Haedonism, etc. - seems like by posting this I accidently dialed "0" as you guys showed up eventually. That community here is even worse then I thought... get a life, ok?

But on the other hand, thanks to those here that posted something useful. I'll be licking wounds and let's see :)

Thanks, Jim


@Admin: you can close this one :)

Wow. The loot fairy really likes Steve Keebler. A Stratios and 4 Macks in one afternoon. Nice. But wasn't Tippia just saying that surviving on gate scraps was less profitable a couple days ago and that these kinds of ganks were on the decline?

Steve didn't get that memo.

The irony is that if (ganking were) even close to as common as these self-made victims proclaimed, there would be no posts because it would be such a natural part of life that no-one would bat an eye when it happened.

I said that trying to steal gank loot is pretty much a non-starter these days because they're so rare. So far, nothing has really been provided to disprove this.

Steve is a single data point, not a world-wide trend. People have been stupidly stuffing their T1s full of overprices stuff since the birth of the universe; the fact that they're still doing it doesn't indicate that ganking has become more common. If anything, it shows that it's exceedingly rare since the thought apparently doesn't enter people's minds that it's a bad thing to do.

Or worse: it does enter their mind, but a rational calculation shows that the risk is so close to zero as to not matter.

Every time someone comes on the forums screaming in shock and horror about being ganked (and inevitably be shown to have all but invited that gank through their fitting and cargo choice) and kicking up a storm about how ganking is out of control, it only reinforces the sense that it's increasingly rare. The irony is that if it was even close to as common as these self-made victims proclaimed, there would be no posts because it would be such a natural part of life that no-one would bat an eye when it happened.

haha Of course I do. I may not write often but I read almost everything and I'm not really a b.s.'er.



For the record, I was only joshing Tippia with my comment. It isn't possible to refute someone's "observed reality," and I have no doubt those words were (as they all are with Tippia) carefully chosen. I just thought it was funny that I read this comment like yesterday and today there's all these indy kills with billions in loot drops not 3 jumps from the Perimeter gate. haha

Steve didn't get that memo.

YK

I said that trying to steal gank loot is pretty much a non-starter these days because they're so rare. So far, nothing has really been provided to disprove this.

Steve is a single data point, not a world-wide trend. People have been stupidly stuffing their T1s full of overprices stuff since the birth of the universe; the fact that they're still doing it doesn't indicate that ganking has become more common. If anything, it shows that it's exceedingly rare since the thought apparently doesn't enter people's minds that it's a bad thing to do.

Or worse: it does enter their mind, but a rational calculation shows that the risk is so close to zero as to not matter.

Every time someone comes on the forums screaming in shock and horror about being ganked (and inevitably be shown to have all but invited that gank through their fitting and cargo choice) and kicking up a storm about how ganking is out of control, it only reinforces the sense that it's increasingly rare. The irony is that if it was even close to as common as these self-made victims proclaimed, there would be no posts because it would be such a natural part of life that no-one would bat an eye when it happened.

Lmao. Priceless Tippia. That last paragraph is pure gold - as long as someones reporting its not happening :).

Once again Tippia is making unfounded claims about the frequency of hi-sec ganking.

Again, unless he can provide real evidence, ( that he has not been ganked for a while is NOT evidence) I call BS.

http://i.imgur.com/szVvcU1.png

And?

Well you wouldn't believe it, but this guy is trying to tell me that ganking is exceedingly rare. Don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying it's out of control either, but it's a lot more common than you seem to think.

Nice one: https://zkillboard.com/detail/35553868/

The last data we had is that suicide ganking is far below it's peak.

You guys should check out OP's Wolf lossmail...

For the OP:

High-sec isn't the USA or Europe in terms of safety, crime prevention and/or general security.

Instead, think of high-sec in terms of Mexico or Columbia where cartels and/or rebel groups are/were willfully flouting the law, to put it mildly. On one hand, egregious criminal acts will bring down the Federales (think CONCORD.) However, outside of that, the law is pretty weak, especially if you're an individual.

Sometimes it obviously takes some events to finally take decisions. I am playing EVE since 2008, just 1-2h per week as real life is still some kind of important :).

Now I just learned that a fully armored (2 shield extenders) Tayra with 600 MIO ISK freight (my ship and freight of course,) can be blown out of space in INARO (a 0.8 high sec system!!!!!) with just one shot from a 1400mm canon of some player playing EVE sind November this year.

How - for god's sake - can something like this happen in HIGH SEC space. I was even flying the route coming from Jita "in manual", meaning flying from gate to gate by clicking it myself. So NO autopilot. The moment my Tayra got visible because of warping to the next gate exploded, releasing my pod. The guy started shooting at my pod also but that moment I hit warp and was not destroyed.

But - again - how can this happen in HIGH SEC space? I think CCP could balance something like this. Anybody an idea?

Well - maybe off to Star Citizen in the near future, there I can at least blame loosing my ship on my bad flying skills :)


Jim

I was even flying the route coming from Jita

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3961593#post3961593

Heh. Malcanis being a reliable unbiased source of ganking data. The only reason he's a CSM is because you rigged the vote for him. This guy is a forum mod who likes to put down / humiliate people who post about being ganked and generally breaks all the forums rules he's supposed to be enforcing :)

Next...

Regarding the risk\reward system gankers use to pick targets, what is a ship/fit that they will leave alone no matter what cargo you are carrying? If I wanted to ferry BPO's worth a trillion ISK all around Jita, what would be the safest ship/fit? One that would survive anything a ganker would throw at me until Concord showed up?

This of course presumes that the ganker didn't know ahead of time about the BPO's, and was in whatever they use for ganking....

Regarding the risk\reward system gankers use to pick targets, what is a ship/fit that they will leave alone no matter what cargo you are carrying?

If I wanted to ferry BPO's worth a trillion ISK all around Jita, what would be the safest ship/fit? One that would survive anything a ganker would throw at me until Concord showed up?

This of course presumes that the ganker didn't know ahead of time about the BPO's, and was in whatever they use for ganking....

I'm not interested in your dodgy denials. We know the system is rigged.

Based on a single data point? Yeah, no.

I'm not interested in your dodgy denials. We know the system is rigged. You don't have to be a genius to understand that a coalition of 35k will be able to stack the CSM with all of its members and only represent themselves rather than the actual people they're supposed to represent - the playerbase.

Heh. Malcanis being a reliable unbiased source of ganking data. The only reason he's a CSM is because you rigged the vote for him. This guy is a forum mod who likes to put down / humiliate people who post about being ganked and generally breaks all the forums rules he's supposed to be enforcing :)

Next...

Based on, you know, knowing what other groups are doing. I could go & link everything I use on a week to week basis to show you otherwise, but apart from being a colossal waste of time... No, that's basically it.

The only reason he's a CSM is because you rigged the vote for him.

This guy is a forum mod

Just kidding. Stop it. Please. (FORUM MOD, please close!!!)

I really take issue with the fact that people who make threads can request them be closed.
Why does starting a conversation automatically give you the right to **** on everyone else who wants to participate if you don't like where it goes?
Quite frankly it's stupid.

Why are you concerned about how I speak to a weak willed complainer who'd rather post a hissy fit than learn how to play a video game? Last time I looked, this was EVE (the game that real life psychos look at as "a bit too harsh), not My Little pony online. HTFU already.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Instead of trying to guide the players you tell them off.

Please biomass.

You are everything wrong with Eve. Instead of trying to guide the players you tell them off.

Please biomass.

Suicidal. You are a flying pi+¦ata ready to be ganked by anyone. Good job.

And you are completely blind to the fact that this is just a troll thread. You are making it worse for everybody else.

Please biomass.

Ganking risk estimation reads...

http://rifterlings.com/bounty/?u=y&sv=7000000&sc=600000000&bv=0&hp=7550&c=10

You are everything wrong with Eve. Instead of trying to guide the players you tell them off.

Please biomass.

Awesome. Seems like my issue - which happens to hundreds of players every day - was worth a 7 - page thread... not bad. Come on guys, let's go for more... ;)

Just kidding. Stop it. Please. (FORUM MOD, please close!!!)

To those asking why I didn't know that something like this could happen although I'm playing EVE for more then 5 years... Well, because it never happened to me before. Either I am extremely good (which I'm obviously not ;-) ) or I'm just not reading EVE forums every day and play 5-6hours a day. Shame on me. Let me just quit my job, quit with my gf and get rid of all those other things called real life... well, just a matter of priorities.

But this endless discussion here actually makes fun to follow and that somebody just put a bounty on me is hilarious. Looking forward to many more hours of EVE...

And now - let's go for 10 pages of threads... :)



PS: But not to forget those several people here that offered recommendations and help! Thanks for your effort and the time invested!

You're welcomed. Here's more advice, take some responsiblity for your gaming experience, learn to learn, resist the urge to whine and cry, and you'll have a much better time. Well either that or join "The Scope" (the fightinest group of imaginary newpaper editors the world has ever seen) and be awesome.

umad? We actually have tons of fun on Scope ops. One of our bittervets said it's some of the most fun they've had in years of EVE.

What do you do for the community save for spouting acidic black and white 'moral' rhetoric?

Oh right, nothing.

He contributes to the emergent gameplay that makes a lot of people play EVE in the first place.

That's an even dumber trolling attempt than the last one of that other guy. The mindless zombies will still fall for it though.

Also: lose. Not "loose". Stupid.

Sometimes it obviously takes some events to finally take decisions. I am playing EVE since 2008, just 1-2h per week as real life is still some kind of important :).

Now I just learned that a fully armored (2 shield extenders) Tayra with 600 MIO ISK freight (my ship and freight of course,) can be blown out of space in INARO (a 0.8 high sec system!!!!!) with just one shot from a 1400mm canon of some player playing EVE sind November this year.

How - for god's sake - can something like this happen in HIGH SEC space. I was even flying the route coming from Jita "in manual", meaning flying from gate to gate by clicking it myself. So NO autopilot. The moment my Tayra got visible because of warping to the next gate exploded, releasing my pod. The guy started shooting at my pod also but that moment I hit warp and was not destroyed.

But - again - how can this happen in HIGH SEC space? I think CCP could balance something like this. Anybody an idea?

Well - maybe off to Star Citizen in the near future, there I can at least blame loosing my ship on my bad flying skills :)


Jim

You have Scope ops?

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