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Tharkad
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Posted - 2006.03.17 15:15:00 -
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Pretty much everything that is done or can be done in this game is in effect griefing someone.
Thats a large part of the appeal of the game, what you do is of consequence and impacts other players, often times even without you intending to or knowing that you've done it.
Being successful in this game means you've learned to grief other people smarter, faster and better then anyone else.
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Frankinator
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:13:00 -
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Originally by: branodn lee i am a pirate and all i do when i log in is kill as many people as possable. is this grief tactics. i dont think so but since i have seen this topic talked about more and more i need to ask. what do you the people of eve and the gms or devs think and how do you know when you are a grief tactic person instead of a kill everyone pirate.
You're a pirate?
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Vertical Aim
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Ephemeron As a PvP'er, I don't believe that griefing is anything more than exploiting some obviously bugged game mechanic to kill people.
If you kill people by the game rules, it's not griefing
Totally agree.
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Slaveabuser
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek
or "because your a dirty slaver" or "because your a hippie gallente" or 'because I want your stuff"
Killing the Minmatars since 22480 AD |
0bsession
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Posted - 2006.03.17 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: EVIL SOULS Well, thats what I thought also but the GM decided different. I am not going to say the GM was wrong in the situation. People are warned before they steal, but I guess killing noobs for it is a no no.
I only read this far until I got peeved. I'm assuming the GMs response to this being "griefing" is because the only outcome for you was your jollies. Doing this over and over in an area with unexperienced noobs is pointless and lame... which only has one purpose to drive the noob base out and give you a huge ego boost to kill a helpless noob. It was and IS griefing.
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JagdWulfe
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:39:00 -
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Originally by: branodn lee i am a pirate and all i do when i log in is kill as many people as possable. is this grief tactics. i dont think so but since i have seen this topic talked about more and more i need to ask. what do you the people of eve and the gms or devs think and how do you know when you are a grief tactic person instead of a kill everyone pirate.
I'd say it depends on your targets. If you solely attacked noob ships then yes you'd be a griefer. But if you went after whoever crossed your path than no you are just a rabid sociopath that Concord needs to haul away. :)
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Shamis Orzoz
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:42:00 -
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I grief, therefore I am.
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Montero
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kel Shek I think the line is this.
is the action in question, offensive against the CHARACTER or the PLAYER.
and don't give any of this "its just a game, I can't do anything offensive against the other person, they are there willingly" nonsense. thats bull**** and you know it. these games are not meaningless toys, they are persistent state worlds.
so it's not a toy and we arent just playing as space men?
i understand your sentiments, but dude, it really is a game. JUST GET THE **** OFF MY SIG, K? |
Gretchen Dawntreader
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Posted - 2006.03.17 17:59:00 -
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Quote: i am a pirate and all i do when i log in is kill as many people as possable. is this grief tactics. i dont think so
Ever watched a movie about pirates? What's a pirate without booty? Buried treasure? Governor's daughters held for ransom?
Treating EVE as a frag-zone to get listed on killboards, yeah that pretty much marks you as a griefer. Piracy is a business. Fraggers would be better suited in a shooter, to which you are cordially invited to migrate.
There is no profit motive in dangling a can in front of a noob station exit so you can pod noobs in their noob frigs with your Raven or whatever. That's roughly the equivalent of sticking a cat in a bag and hitting the bag with a hammer to listen to the funny noises.
Remember all those high school shootings where you learned afterwards about kids who tormented animals for fun and thought of people as things rather than other people? My theory is that griefers are players who easily ignore that the other participants in the game are other people, and so therefore they feel no need to maintain any standards of behavior (lawful or unlawful.) Treating the game as single-player, they will blow you up just to watch the pretty colors.
Griefing is a social malfunction. People attracted to griefing need therapy.
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James Lyrus
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Posted - 2006.03.17 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz I grief, therefore I am.
You do so in low sec, therefore any day old newbies who run into you get a valuable lesson. Can dropping and ganking in kisogo would make you a git, pirating just makes you the baddie that everyone loves to chase (or run away from). -- We are recruiting
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Svetlana Scarlet
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Posted - 2006.03.17 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Deacan Wildfire The thing about Eve, and very few other MMOs, is that the players themselves have the power to deal with "griefers" without having to cry to a GM. If someone griefs you in, say, WoW or EQ2, then there's nothing you can do but petition due to the restrictions on player interaction.
This is EVE - people need to start looking to other players for help before looking to the GMs. And I hope CCP understands this. Griefers don't need to be banned, they just need to be put to justice by the players.
I'd agree in some cases -- this is part of why CAIN tries to make a show of force in lowsec areas of Caldari space on a regular basis -- but that doesn't really stop the people who are out for cheap kills by exploiting the inexperience of newbies or vaporizing anything they can sitting at 150km from a gate and running like a little girl when it's time to pay the piper. I would agree with the person that said pirates shoot people down because they are trying to make a living at it -- psychopathic serial killers are the ones who shoot anything that moves or vaporize newbies for kicks.
As for the alliances -- I think many of the most powerful alliances are populated mostly by pirates (or ex-pirates), so your idea has some implementation issues. However, it is entirely possible to take the fight back to them -- certainly there are several corporations and alliances that do this on a daily basis. It does take some practice, some courage, and a good chunk of resources to do so, though. -- LT Svetlana Scarlet Deputy Quartermaster Captain, CNS Redball Express Caldari Independent Navy Reserve |
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