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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.16 09:59:00 -
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Typhoon
It's not really a far off from being a good ship. The optimal range bonus is mostly wasted on it so we've changed it to launcher rate of fire. It still has that split weapon system you hate so much but you should be more satisfied with the damage output of it.
Thank you - it's all it needed. It can now be a mwding missile-spamming nos machine that never misses, as opposed to a mwding autocannon machine that always misses.
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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.
I predict a riot
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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.
You do realise this leaves minmatar even further down the line when it comes to tracking?
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Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really but it still a bit odd that it doesn't have a single damage bonus. The cap recharge rate bonus has been replaced with small laser damage bonus.
\o/
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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
\o/
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Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade.
WHERE IS THE MISSING SLOT!?!?!?!?!? It's completely unfair that some assault frigs have a slot less than the others, with no "special feature" (massive drone bay) to make up for it. Weirda is going to go ape**** when she sees it 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:02:00 -
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There is no missing slot, 4 have 10 slots, 4 have 11 slots. It's fine.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gariuys
There is no missing slot, 4 have 10 slots, 4 have 11 slots. It's fine.
ishkur has a gigantic drone bay which, following gallente "tradition", replaces a slot.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:07:00 -
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\0/ Boosting Tachyons ftw 
And changing the vengeance's bonus ftw
Now fix me blasters matey 
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Gariuys
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: Gariuys
There is no missing slot, 4 have 10 slots, 4 have 11 slots. It's fine.
ishkur has a gigantic drone bay which, following gallente "tradition", replaces a slot.
It also has incredibly crappy bonuses, which make up for the drones. Not the lacking slot.
~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~
A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX
The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool |
Darwinia
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:09:00 -
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We've been making some changes last few days. They are nowhere near ready but since you're probably just going to extract this from the database I'm probably just better off telling you about them.
Typhoon
It's not really a far off from being a good ship. The optimal range bonus is mostly wasted on it so we've changed it to launcher rate of fire. It still has that split weapon system you hate so much but you should be more satisfied with the damage output of it.
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Hey now, we don't want to get on the Dominix's turf, do we  . It's a good change.. the only thing I fear is I'll see more of those ugly cylinders flying around now.
Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.
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YAY! (Yes, I own an Apoc with T2 Tachyons and Aurora ammo  )
Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.
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Yes, but the Mega will still suck, I'm sorry to say.
Assault Ships
There is not going to be any drastic assault ship overhaul but there are some frigs we are going to give a slight boost to keep them inline with other assault ships. The ones we're giving a boost are Vengeance, Hawk and Jaguar. Again I remind you that this is nowhere near final.
Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really but it still a bit odd that it doesn't have a single damage bonus. The cap recharge rate bonus has been replaced with small laser damage bonus.
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YAY again! ... Now can we do something about the Retribution mid slots.. the 1 it has must be sooo lonely.
Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
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Damn... I'll have to train up for the Hawk now.
Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade.
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The Matari AFs were always the top of the game IMO.. they'll be even better now.
Coming up
Blasters
Do tell.
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Eyeshadow
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:10:00 -
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I like the changes, especially the hawk. My alt will love that
Not sure about the tachyon boost though. Tach-geddons are already pretty uber with the dmg (for about 30 seconds til they run outta cap, i know, but still)
Typhoon boost might give people a reason to fly it
But please tell me what the blaster changes are gonna be! Its the only thing i REALLY wanna know
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Tuxford
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
I like the changes, especially the hawk. My alt will love that
Not sure about the tachyon boost though. Tach-geddons are already pretty uber with the dmg (for about 30 seconds til they run outta cap, i know, but still)
Typhoon boost might give people a reason to fly it
But please tell me what the blaster changes are gonna be! Its the only thing i REALLY wanna know
We were looking at fitting and cap need when we got distracted from it.
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Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:23:00 -
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its easy "love" -hawk will rule!!! 
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tuxford
We were looking at fitting and cap need when we got distracted from it.
in my opinion (which in reality coulds for sod-all), that's all that needs changing to them. their tracking will be increased by the ship's bonus (from 25% to 37.5%), and the damage output is already there - it's just nobody can fit and sustain them.
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Lache Malaxoru
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:25:00 -
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Hawk BPs anyone ? :D hehehehehehe
Finally ! Lots of pilots requested this at Lai Dai. Offices have been camped by demonstrants in favor of these changes. Seems after quite some time Lai Dai gave in and the new Hawk is born !!!
Hurray, many happy pilots upon hearing the news turned into bars for spices and dancers. Those flying Caldari AFs rejoyce in all arround celebration.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:27:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 16/03/2006 10:31:51
Originally by: Eyeshadow
I like the changes, especially the hawk. My alt will love that
Not sure about the tachyon boost though. Tach-geddons are already pretty uber with the dmg (for about 30 seconds til they run outta cap, i know, but still)
Typhoon boost might give people a reason to fly it
But please tell me what the blaster changes are gonna be! Its the only thing i REALLY wanna know
I wonder what are ppl thinking about tachgeddon... it is made of paper, but dmg output is higher than most closerange bs. Oh and last time i checked... they have enough cap for like 1.5min :P... more than enough for most fights tbh.
Oh and when you are at it... check neutron cannons vs ion cannons... there is only 4% difference and should be bigger.
And about dmg output... dual 650 ac II + tempest does more dmg than ion blaster II + thron. Yes we have luxury of one gun more, which turn dps in favor of thron, however it doesn't really fit :).
Tracking will help more with rails than blasters... you must have web anyway and you hit good enough if you know how to fly.
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.
Antipiracy is causing brain damage |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lache Malaxoru
Hawk BPs anyone ? :D hehehehehehe
Finally ! Lots of pilots requested this at Lai Dai. Offices have been camped by demonstrants in favor of these changes. Seems after quite some time Lai Dai gave in and the new Hawk is born !!!
Hurray, many happy pilots upon hearing the news turned into bars for spices and dancers. Those flying Caldari AFs rejoyce in all arround celebration.
*throws flowers everywhere* I say its time for the riot's to end and rejoice in celebration!!!* \\*TUX*// 
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
keepiru
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: LUKEC
Oh and when you are at it... check neutron cannons vs ion cannons... there is only 4% difference and should be bigger.
Why? Same % diff between most gun classes. Between ACs its smaller in cases.
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keepiru
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:33:00 -
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Tachs do a whole 1.5% more dps than megabeams atm. A little different.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Originally by: LUKEC
Oh and when you are at it... check neutron cannons vs ion cannons... there is only 4% difference and should be bigger.
Why? Same % diff between most gun classes. Between ACs its smaller in cases.
Check tachyon reasons.
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.
Antipiracy is causing brain damage |
Sir Juri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:35:00 -
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hmm ya'll seem so grumpy come over here to the hawk celebration, the town parade starts soon
*pop's the cork*
Im a noob, bear with me :P |
Anominity
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:40:00 -
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/me strokes his Large Beam Specialisation..... Tachyons ftw!
And the Vengeance, hmm, not sure if that is as big an upgrade as some people seem to think, sure it will do better damage, but still not on par with the other races "secondary" assault frigs, ESPECIALLY with these changes proposed for the Jag and Hawk.
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LUKEC
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:42:00 -
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Originally by: keepiru
Tachs do a whole 1.5% more dps than megabeams atm. A little different.
And tachs on geddon does like 25% more than 425mm II on thron. Not to mention burst damage.
Originally by: Commander Nikolas
People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.
Antipiracy is causing brain damage |
Lain Khazar
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.
\o/
finally \o/
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Helmut 314
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Posted - 2006.03.16 10:51:00 -
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Phoon - Yes please!
Tachyons - Yes please!
Hawk -  Seems like the price of bloodclaw fury and precision BPO just took a sharp hike upwards...
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:15:00 -
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btw tux, will artillery be getting a look-in, especially the pg of the top-tier (280mm, 720mm, 1400mm) and the usefulness of the bottom-tier (250mm, 650mm, 1200mm)?
The wolf has a hard time fitting anything useful with 4 280mm II in the highs, the Muninn, which with it's optimal range bonus makes it a dedicated artillery ship can't fit 5 720mm II without a fitting mod even with advanced weapon upgrades 5, while the tempest needs advanced weapon upgrades 5 to be able to fit 6 1400mm II without a fitting mod (it has sod-all grid for anything else afterwards though)
Thanks!
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ChalSto
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:17:00 -
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Blasters should not get only a decrased cap usage and fitting requirements, they should also get a FAIR dmg incrase.
They are "most destructive" crap-range weapons in the game (from db)......
I¦m not sure if thats too much, but to make the blasterthron worth, it seems they need a 15-25% dmg boost.
Look at all the dawnbreaks the blasterthron got ->
-25 % Cap due to the MWD (yea.....great "need-for-speed" to reach the taget for the blasters, but your armor get¦s -> wrecker, wrecker, excelent, perfect, wrecker wrecker. OUTCH!!!!!!)
Yea......u finaly approached your target (let¦s say with only one-shot MWD). You have lost 20% cap to fire it (not to forget to put on the armor-Repper, becouse of -> wrecker, wrecker, excelent, perfect, wrecker¦s!).
Armor is half-way down, your cap is half-way down (even with cap-booster!).
What happens now? You all know!
Put all Blasters and Drones on him and wait for your destruction, becouse you still do crap dmg and don¦t live long enough to kill his tank. Nice 
(Btw....yea.....this is a whining post based on facts )
Apoc/Geddon/nos-phoon/ac-pest/scorp/raven/domi-pilot: "omg......a megathron...........ah....ok.....he got blasters"
Blasterthron: " Lock, Launch-Drones, approach, MWD, webber, scrabmler,......ARGH......repper, repper, repper.....cap-booster..."
Apoc/Geddon: "double-repper, double-repper, NOS, BEAM BEAM BEAM." Mega:"......BOOOOM"
nos-phoon/domi: "NOS NOS NOS NOS JAMM JAMM JAMM DRONES DRONES." Mega:"........BOOOOM"
ac-pest: "ratta, ratta, ratta....." blasterthron:"omg.....i got holes in my armor"
Raven:" lalala......F1-F8." .........1-2min later ->.............Mega: "......BOOOOM"
Scorp.........uhm........you know the story.......only use your fantasy.
I hope you all enjoyed the story
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:20:00 -
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so basicly we get the typhoon as still a useless BS (split weapons, nobody likes and uses that).
The megathron gets a upgrade
and you boosted tachs?!?
thx for wasting my hopes on balance
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Evil Thug
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.
I predict a riot
WTB : Dev, who actually playing game. Better DOT = small gangs = mega beams. Better burst damage = fleet = tachs.
2 slots for RCU ? Doesn`t matter really, since dmg mod nerf.
Anyways, 10 days ago - i bought amarr alt. I had a feeling.
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LWMaverick
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: ChalSto
Blasters should not get only a decrased cap usage and fitting requirements, they should also get a FAIR dmg incrase.
They are "most destructive" crap-range weapons in the game (from db)......
I¦m not sure if thats too much, but to make the blasterthron worth, it seems they need a 15-25% dmg boost.
Look at all the dawnbreaks the blasterthron got ->
-25 % Cap due to the MWD (yea.....great "need-for-speed" to reach the taget for the blasters, but your armor get¦s -> wrecker, wrecker, excelent, perfect, wrecker wrecker. OUTCH!!!!!!)
Yea......u finaly approached your target (let¦s say with only one-shot MWD). You have lost 20% cap to fire it (not to forget to put on the armor-Repper, becouse of -> wrecker, wrecker, excelent, perfect, wrecker¦s!).
Armor is half-way down, your cap is half-way down (even with cap-booster!).
What happens now? You all know!
Put all Blasters and Drones on him and wait for your destruction, becouse you still do crap dmg and don¦t live long enough to kill his tank. Nice
(Btw....yea.....this is a whining post based on facts)
Apoc/Geddon/nos-phoon/ac-pest/scorp/raven/domi-pilot: "omg......a megathron...........ah....ok.....he got blasters"
Blasterthron: " Lock, Launch-Drones, approach, MWD, webber, scrabmler,......ARGH......repper, repper, repper.....cap-booster..."
Apoc/Geddon: "double-repper, double-repper, NOS, BEAM BEAM BEAM." Mega:"......BOOOOM"
nos-phoon/domi: "NOS NOS NOS NOS JAMM JAMM JAMM DRONES DRONES." Mega:"........BOOOOM"
ac-pest: "ratta, ratta, ratta....." blasterthron:"omg.....i got holes in my armor"
Raven:" lalala......F1-F8." .........1-2min later ->.............Mega: "......BOOOOM"
Scorp.........uhm........you know the story.......only use your fantasy.
I hope you all enjoyed the story
So... you want, a pwnmobile eh?
No thx.
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Nafri
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:33:00 -
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so when your going to increase howitzers tracking?
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Leandro Salazar
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:40:00 -
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Now if that phoon bonus would be 7.5% per level to missile RoF...
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Vanye
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:45:00 -
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So Tachs have better tracking, better range, more dps and now even more burst damage than 1400s. Woot for balance .
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Redblade
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Posted - 2006.03.16 11:46:00 -
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With increased dmg on Tachs i suspect 1400's to have the lowest dmg output between the biggest range guns, unless we are talking a fight that lasts 7 sec.
This while having the worst tracking of them all.
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