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Typhoon
It's not really a far off from being a good ship. The optimal range bonus is mostly wasted on it so we've changed it to launcher rate of fire. It still has that split weapon system you hate so much but you should be more satisfied with the damage output of it.

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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.

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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.

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Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really but it still a bit odd that it doesn't have a single damage bonus. The cap recharge rate bonus has been replaced with small laser damage bonus.

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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.

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Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade.

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Originally by: Gariuys

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There is no missing slot, 4 have 10 slots, 4 have 11 slots. It's fine.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Gariuys

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There is no missing slot, 4 have 10 slots, 4 have 11 slots. It's fine.

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ishkur has a gigantic drone bay which, following gallente "tradition", replaces a slot.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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I like the changes, especially the hawk. My alt will love that

Not sure about the tachyon boost though. Tach-geddons are already pretty uber with the dmg (for about 30 seconds til they run outta cap, i know, but still)

Typhoon boost might give people a reason to fly it

But please tell me what the blaster changes are gonna be! Its the only thing i REALLY wanna know

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Originally by: Tuxford

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We were looking at fitting and cap need when we got distracted from it.

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Originally by: Eyeshadow

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I like the changes, especially the hawk. My alt will love that

Not sure about the tachyon boost though. Tach-geddons are already pretty uber with the dmg (for about 30 seconds til they run outta cap, i know, but still)

Typhoon boost might give people a reason to fly it

But please tell me what the blaster changes are gonna be! Its the only thing i REALLY wanna know

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Originally by: Commander Nikolas

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People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.

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Originally by: Lache Malaxoru

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Hawk BPs anyone ? :D hehehehehehe

Finally ! Lots of pilots requested this at Lai Dai. Offices have been camped by demonstrants in favor of these changes. Seems after quite some time Lai Dai gave in and the new Hawk is born !!!

Hurray, many happy pilots upon hearing the news turned into bars for spices and dancers. Those flying Caldari AFs rejoyce in all arround celebration.

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Oh and when you are at it... check neutron cannons vs ion cannons... there is only 4% difference and should be bigger.

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Originally by: keepiru

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Originally by: LUKEC

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Oh and when you are at it... check neutron cannons vs ion cannons... there is only 4% difference and should be bigger.

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Why? Same % diff between most gun classes. Between ACs its smaller in cases.

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Originally by: Commander Nikolas

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People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.

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Originally by: keepiru

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Tachs do a whole 1.5% more dps than megabeams atm. A little different.

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Originally by: Commander Nikolas

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People like Lukec are the problem and they know it. Shin Ra's Raven has 4x WCS, Lukec's Dominix has 5x WCS & Ishtar has 2x WCS.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.

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\o/

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.

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I predict a riot

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Originally by: ChalSto

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Blasters should not get only a decrased cap usage and fitting requirements, they should also get a FAIR dmg incrase.
They are "most destructive" crap-range weapons in the game (from db)......
I¦m not sure if thats too much, but to make the blasterthron worth, it seems they need a 15-25% dmg boost.
Look at all the dawnbreaks the blasterthron got ->

-25 % Cap due to the MWD (yea.....great "need-for-speed" to reach the taget for the blasters, but your armor get¦s -> wrecker, wrecker, excelent, perfect, wrecker wrecker. OUTCH!!!!!!)
Yea......u finaly approached your target (let¦s say with only one-shot MWD). You have lost 20% cap to fire it (not to forget to put on the armor-Repper, becouse of -> wrecker, wrecker, excelent, perfect, wrecker¦s!).
Armor is half-way down, your cap is half-way down (even with cap-booster!).
What happens now? You all know!
Put all Blasters and Drones on him and wait for your destruction, becouse you still do crap dmg and don¦t live long enough to kill his tank. Nice
(Btw....yea.....this is a whining post based on facts)

Apoc/Geddon/nos-phoon/ac-pest/scorp/raven/domi-pilot: "omg......a megathron...........ah....ok.....he got blasters"
Blasterthron: " Lock, Launch-Drones, approach, MWD, webber, scrabmler,......ARGH......repper, repper, repper.....cap-booster..."
Apoc/Geddon: "double-repper, double-repper, NOS, BEAM BEAM BEAM." Mega:"......BOOOOM"
nos-phoon/domi: "NOS NOS NOS NOS JAMM JAMM JAMM DRONES DRONES." Mega:"........BOOOOM"
ac-pest: "ratta, ratta, ratta....." blasterthron:"omg.....i got holes in my armor"
Raven:" lalala......F1-F8." .........1-2min later ->.............Mega: "......BOOOOM"
Scorp.........uhm........you know the story.......only use your fantasy.


I hope you all enjoyed the story

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Typhoon
It's not really a far off from being a good ship. The optimal range bonus is mostly wasted on it so we've changed it to launcher rate of fire. It still has that split weapon system you hate so much but you should be more satisfied with the damage output of it.

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Originally by: Redblade

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With increased dmg on Tachs i suspect 1400's to have the lowest dmg output between the biggest range guns, unless we are talking a fight that lasts 7 sec.

This while having the worst tracking of them all.

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Originally by: Nafri

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Edited by: Nafri on 16/03/2006 11:39:32
so when your going to increase howitzers tracking?


and who the **** wanted tachs to be even better?

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Typhoon
It's not really a far off from being a good ship. The optimal range bonus is mostly wasted on it so we've changed it to launcher rate of fire. It still has that split weapon system you hate so much but you should be more satisfied with the damage output of it.

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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.

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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.

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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.

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So... you want, a pwnmobile eh?

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Originally by: Cersei

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Originally by: Nafri

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Edited by: Nafri on 16/03/2006 11:39:32
so when your going to increase howitzers tracking?


and who the **** wanted tachs to be even better?

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I wanted tachs to be better. Tachs have less range than 1400mm howwies and especially 425mm railguns,

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Originally by: Cersei

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Tachs require 2 RCU (both apoc and arma) vs 0 fitting mods for railthron and 1 PDU (or 0 for a cardboard setup) for artillery tempest.

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Originally by: Cersei

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Tachs undisputably have the worst damage type in this 1600mm plate world,

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Originally by: Cersei

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oh, and yeah Tachs deplete your cap so fast you'll stop firing halfway through any significant fights.

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Originally by: Redblade

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With increased dmg on Tachs i suspect 1400's to have the lowest dmg output between the biggest range guns, unless we are talking a fight that lasts 7 sec.

This while having the worst tracking of them all.

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Redblade

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With increased dmg on Tachs i suspect 1400's to have the lowest dmg output between the biggest range guns, unless we are talking a fight that lasts 7 sec.

This while having the worst tracking of them all.

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and funny is, thy just nerfed mataris burst damage, to compensate it with a amarr burst damage increase...

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Originally by: Kaleeb

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No blaster love

TACHS FFS

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Originally by: Cersei

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Tachs undisputably have the worst damage type in this 1600mm plate world,

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Oh, really ? May be lets count ? I`m pretty sure, that if we`ll take resists into account - dmg output on tachs will be waaaay more than on 1400.

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Originally by: Veriane

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make sure you try to point out the flaws in the 1200mm's

im hard pressed to find a worse gun than that one >.<

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Originally by: Cersei

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Originally by: Cersei

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Tachs undisputably have the worst damage type in this 1600mm plate world,

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Oh, really ? May be lets count ? I`m pretty sure, that if we`ll take resists into account - dmg output on tachs will be waaaay more than on 1400.

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I would paste some killmails of energized nano tanked dreads, but I guess it would be sufficient to tell you that t2 arty tempests were on top of it and t2 tachyon / beam platforms weren't.

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Originally by: Kaleeb

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No blaster love

TACHS FFS

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Originally by: Cersei

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Edited by: Cersei on 16/03/2006 12:28:25
okay, something ****** up here with the formatting.

Anyways,
1. you dont 1 salvo a dread with 13 bs matey

and

2. yes, I did calculate for more guns on arma / apoc

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Originally by: Evil Thug

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Edited by: Evil Thug on 16/03/2006 12:32:55

Originally by: Cersei

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Edited by: Cersei on 16/03/2006 12:28:25
okay, something ****** up here with the formatting.

Anyways,
1. you dont 1 salvo a dread with 13 bs matey

and

2. yes, I did calculate for more guns on arma / apoc

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How often you are killing dreds ? For my whole playing time - i`ve killed 4 dreds. 2 in 1 engagement. This is just single case.

EDIT : May be dred knew, that he`ll try to attack pos with laser guns, so he tanked em \ therm. I can`t see anything wrong here.

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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.

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- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.

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Originally by: keepiru

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Boo hoo. The railthron will still out-damage and out-track and out-range the tachypoc, whats all the noise about?

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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blaster love hasn't been finished yet - tux said in either this or the other thread (can't remember which one) that cap use and fitting will be looked at

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Originally by: Sadist

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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.

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Why thank you, but an additional 12.5% to a useless bonus is still a ****ty bonus overall. It's not sig resolution of the gun (which would make it pimpage vs webbed targets), its not another damage mod (which it should be), it's not even another optimal or falloff bonus, which would reduce the need (at least somewhat) to get in 500m from the opponent.

If you think this is "fixing" blasters, then devs really are cluless on balance matters.

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Originally by: DeadRow

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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire

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Let's all hug Tuxford!

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/signed

Also how did u get on that thread the tux put up he said he was locking it straight away

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Originally by: Testy Mctest

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Artillery - Why were projectiles not mentioned? Both fittings for artillery (as Sarmaul mentioned) and dps/range/tracking (particularly for 'smaller' arty, also for larger arty, and all ACs) need looking at. This isnt just half of our guns, as with Blasters. It's *all* of them. Don't soon(tm) us again, please, please.

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Originally by: Testy Mctest

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Amarr are getting a boost - MORE DPS. The holier than thou reason for increasing HP, and nerfing Minmatar in the process, was that you wanted fights to last longer. Now you're giving the race with the best DPS more DPS?

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Testy Mctest

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Artillery - Why were projectiles not mentioned? Both fittings for artillery (as Sarmaul mentioned) and dps/range/tracking (particularly for 'smaller' arty, also for larger arty, and all ACs) need looking at. This isnt just half of our guns, as with Blasters. It's *all* of them. Don't soon(tm) us again, please, please.

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signed signed and signed again

I am currently in the process of compiling the biggest minmatar whine thread ever

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Originally by: Kaleeb

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No blaster love

TACHS FFS

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: Destroyer Draxx

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I dont get the tachs changes? Reason?

Hawk sounds good.

Phoon with nosf n cruises + drones + EW will rock as solo ship imo as long as the "Frigate Cartel" doesnt manage to get nosfs nerfed. Bare in mind that i cannot fly them so i might be way off, due to fitting-cap-whatever reasons.

To the guy that said name a gun more crapy than 1200mm, i hearby present 350mm rails ;). They suck, I dont know if anyone in game uses them other than doing lvl2 -lvl3 missions with a domi.

Cap n fitting changes for blasters are long overdue, but at least a certain someone saw the light after 1.5+years.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Destroyer Draxx

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I dont get the tachs changes? Reason?

Hawk sounds good.

Phoon with nosf n cruises + drones + EW will rock as solo ship imo as long as the "Frigate Cartel" doesnt manage to get nosfs nerfed. Bare in mind that i cannot fly them so i might be way off, due to fitting-cap-whatever reasons.

To the guy that said name a gun more crapy than 1200mm, i hearby present 350mm rails ;). They suck, I dont know if anyone in game uses them other than doing lvl2 -lvl3 missions with a domi.

Cap n fitting changes for blasters are long overdue, but at least a certain someone saw the light after 1.5+years.

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that's one more use than 1200mm artillery have

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Originally by: Aba Tor

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Hello
How about a decrease in rof for autos but an increase in dmg mod, and an increase in rof for artys, and maybe a decrease in dmg (while leaving them with the biggest alpha, but a smaller one).
And the 250/650/1200 artys should have a much greater rof so they become a viable option.
Regards

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Originally by: Testy Mctest

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Edited by: Testy Mctest on 16/03/2006 13:03:08


OK so:

Amarr are getting a boost - MORE DPS. The holier than thou reason for increasing HP, and nerfing Minmatar in the process, was that you wanted fights to last longer. Now you're giving the race with the best DPS more DPS?

Typhoon getting a missile boost - without some fitting changes, it's still not a good ship. Saying 'omg it can fit 4 siege and 4 nos now, its uber nos boat' is irrelevent. So can a Raven, if it wants to. Give the 'phoon some more grid so it can actually fit its highs and its lows with power using modules.

Tracking Bonus - Meh. Good for us I suppose, since we have a few tracking bonus ships, but overall kind of irrelevent. Although saying that, a percentage increase added to worst tracking weapons in the game is hardly good. Maybe useful when you look at our guns.

Hawk change - good, now give it its extra slot?

Jag change - CPU Upgrade? I sincerely hope you mean both power AND CPU. The Jag can't fit anything worthwhile, almost. Also, a Hybrid AF/Inty is prospectively making the ship less useful than it is now. Its slower/less agile than an inty so it takes more damage, it doesnt have the slots to do the damage or tank like a real AF.

Retribution - not mentioned, but needs its extra slot.

Blasters - CPU and cap is all that's needed, yup.

Artillery - Why were projectiles not mentioned? Both fittings for artillery (as Sarmaul mentioned) and dps/range/tracking (particularly for 'smaller' arty, also for larger arty, and all ACs) need looking at. This isnt just half of our guns, as with Blasters. It's *all* of them. Don't soon(tm) us again, please, please.

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Originally by: Destroyer Draxx

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Phoon with nosf n cruises + drones + EW will rock as solo ship imo as long as the "Frigate Cartel" doesnt manage to get nosfs nerfed. Bare in mind that i cannot fly them so i might be way off, due to fitting-cap-whatever reasons.

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Destroyer Draxx

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I dont get the tachs changes? Reason?

Hawk sounds good.

Phoon with nosf n cruises + drones + EW will rock as solo ship imo as long as the "Frigate Cartel" doesnt manage to get nosfs nerfed. Bare in mind that i cannot fly them so i might be way off, due to fitting-cap-whatever reasons.

To the guy that said name a gun more crapy than 1200mm, i hearby present 350mm rails ;). They suck, I dont know if anyone in game uses them other than doing lvl2 -lvl3 missions with a domi.

Cap n fitting changes for blasters are long overdue, but at least a certain someone saw the light after 1.5+years.

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that's one more use than 1200mm artillery have

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350mm rails also do decent damage

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Hawk:
Thank you. I've been wanting a missile based AF for ages. Are you going to be changing the model to the kestrel?

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Typhoon
It's not really a far off from being a good ship. The optimal range bonus is mostly wasted on it so we've changed it to launcher rate of fire. It still has that split weapon system you hate so much but you should be more satisfied with the damage output of it.

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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.

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Quote:

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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.

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Vengeance - It has the damage output of a wet paper towel. Well not really but it still a bit odd that it doesn't have a single damage bonus. The cap recharge rate bonus has been replaced with small laser damage bonus.

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Hawk - Its going to be a missile assault ship. Its gettting 4 missile hardpoints, the launcher rate of fire bonus changed to a 5% kinetic missile damage and the hybrid optimal changed to either missile velocity or missile damage. As it is now both bonuses are damage.

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Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade.

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 16/03/2006 14:07:09

Originally by: Kaleeb

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No blaster love

TACHS FFS

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/me points to the Megathron tracking bonus

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Originally by: Kaleeb

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Edited by: Kaylana Syi on 16/03/2006 14:07:09

Originally by: Kaleeb

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No blaster love

TACHS FFS

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/me points to the Megathron tracking bonus

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Great so my guns can hit.. I just cant fit them except electrons which are like turning a hairdryer on someone.

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Originally by: Gierling

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The Typhoon after these changes will STILL be laughed at when brought to any serious Battleship action.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"Concidering the Tachs rof 90% of the 1400's dmg in one volley makes 1400's look like **** in a fight lasting more then 7sec."

Aye, but it's already been like this... 5% more to tachyon RoF ain't changing much here ^^;;

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Originally by: Chode Rizoum

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i smell good things lol..


a typhoon with 5 tech II bersekers...


and 4 javalin torps.. and 4 AC with hail :)

working on a setup atm

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Originally by: dalman

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Originally by: Gierling

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The Typhoon after these changes will STILL be laughed at when brought to any serious Battleship action.

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Are you sure about that?
I'm sure it won't.
Well, it's not really a ship for larger fleet battles (though it could use 4 slots for 'primary target' and the other 4 slots + drones to work as a very effective 'tackler killer'.

But the phoon will have a kick ass base damage output (guns + missiles + drones) that use 'no' cap. On the other hand it can't boost this output with damagemods, so it's more or less forced to fit a heavy tank.

Also, unlike the dominix, the phoon has 8 hislots and quite a bit more grid. This means it can fit alot more nos/neut. It also has a nasty speed to take advantage of.

So I'm pretty sure you'll find the phoon a very good ship for solo/small gang fights.

Also, regarding PvE, the phoon will be a very good ship for NPC killing; it has a very high base damage output from it's highslots, and a large dronebay. And to add to it, you can switch damage type on all these systems so the phoon will work superbly vs all NPCs.

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Originally by: dalman

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Originally by: Gierling

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The Typhoon after these changes will STILL be laughed at when brought to any serious Battleship action.

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Are you sure about that?
I'm sure it won't.
Well, it's not really a ship for larger fleet battles (though it could use 4 slots for 'primary target' and the other 4 slots + drones to work as a very effective 'tackler killer'.

But the phoon will have a kick ass base damage output (guns + missiles + drones) that use 'no' cap. On the other hand it can't boost this output with damagemods, so it's more or less forced to fit a heavy tank.

Also, unlike the dominix, the phoon has 8 hislots and quite a bit more grid. This means it can fit alot more nos/neut. It also has a nasty speed to take advantage of.

So I'm pretty sure you'll find the phoon a very good ship for solo/small gang fights.

Also, regarding PvE, the phoon will be a very good ship for NPC killing; it has a very high base damage output from it's highslots, and a large dronebay. And to add to it, you can switch damage type on all these systems so the phoon will work superbly vs all NPCs.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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papa's got a new favourite ship

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Originally by: Wizie

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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papa's got a new favourite ship

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Need more practical setups Sarmaul... :)

Why are the top 2 names of phoon the same.. tech II dual 425, tech II siege and tech II bserker.. and yet a huge diff in dmg?

Also.. how many years of skilltraining is that? :p

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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The 2 names aren't the same - there's "Typhoon" and "Typhoon (New)" - the latter having the 25% ROF bonus. I have mastered the art of hacking NB's spreadsheet for my own uses

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Originally by: Naughty Boy

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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The 2 names aren't the same - there's "Typhoon" and "Typhoon (New)" - the latter having the 25% ROF bonus. I have mastered the art of hacking NB's spreadsheet for my own uses

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h4x

Sincerly Yours, The Naughty Boy.

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Originally by: Wizie

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Originally by: dalman

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Are you sure about that?
I'm sure it won't.
Well, it's not really a ship for larger fleet battles (though it could use 4 slots for 'primary target' and the other 4 slots + drones to work as a very effective 'tackler killer'.

But the phoon will have a kick ass base damage output (guns + missiles + drones) that use 'no' cap. On the other hand it can't boost this output with damagemods, so it's more or less forced to fit a heavy tank.

Also, unlike the dominix, the phoon has 8 hislots and quite a bit more grid. This means it can fit alot more nos/neut. It also has a nasty speed to take advantage of.

So I'm pretty sure you'll find the phoon a very good ship for solo/small gang fights.

Also, regarding PvE, the phoon will be a very good ship for NPC killing; it has a very high base damage output from it's highslots, and a large dronebay. And to add to it, you can switch damage type on all these systems so the phoon will work superbly vs all NPCs.

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It will still be an ABSOLUTE NO NO for fleet battles. Considering even sized/strength gangs, it is almost imperative that you bring in more dmg or better electronic warfare. With the game heading more and more towards supporting larger battles.. it would seem that the phoon is left out of this role.

Also, with the way lag plays, most fleet battles give the average player just about enough freedom to .. align back, locate target on overview, click guns, and hope he/she can warp out in time before the 1 volley kill hits.

Using drones to take out tacklers works... if you are not getting shot. Your drones are left behind, and yes this is often used to support Domis ability on the battlefield. However the drones on a domi are plentiful and the phoon not so much.


As for the other part, yes this gives the phoon an ability to do well if the person has great missile/gunnery/drone skills. To someone with merely drone/gunnery skills, the phoon will still be an average ship outdone by almost every other ship around in most fields.
Quite frankly, I was against a missile rof bonus completely. The question now comes to me... continue training gallente spec or finish drone spec and then move to missiles. As far as I see the bonus really doesnt make the phoon a great ship (just a slightly better one).. and the missile skills hardly help me in any other avenue (Minmatar really lack the need for missiles on most other ships).

I'm sticking with training Gallente. Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer to do something well than all things badly.

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"i cant see it happening, would be nice tho, since the manticore was such a dissapointment."

Well there's already tech.2 Kestrel hull that could be used, just needs some extra bits attached here and there ;o

(it's originally for Wiyrkomi ship though by the looks of it but then hey, small detail...)

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Originally by: Zysco

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The autopest is dead. All hail the autotorpphoon!

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Can i just be the first to say:

The Typhoon is overpowered! NERF!




Kiddin' btw. I'll run some maths of my own before whining. Don't worry though, whining will commence sooner or later.

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Originally by: Zysco

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The autopest is dead. All hail the autotorpphoon!

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Originally by: Elve Sorrow

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Can i just be the first to say:

The Typhoon is overpowered! NERF!

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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omg this forum has edit tags!?!?!

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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oh, and don't you bloody dare :)

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Originally by: dalman

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Originally by: Wizie

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Originally by: dalman

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Are you sure about that?

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It will still be an ABSOLUTE NO NO for fleet battles. Considering even sized/strength gangs, it is almost imperative that you bring in more dmg or better electronic warfare. With the game heading more and more towards supporting larger battles.. it would seem that the phoon is left out of this role.

Also, with the way lag plays, most fleet battles give the average player just about enough freedom to .. align back, locate target on overview, click guns, and hope he/she can warp out in time before the 1 volley kill hits.

Using drones to take out tacklers works... if you are not getting shot. Your drones are left behind, and yes this is often used to support Domis ability on the battlefield. However the drones on a domi are plentiful and the phoon not so much.


As for the other part, yes this gives the phoon an ability to do well if the person has great missile/gunnery/drone skills. To someone with merely drone/gunnery skills, the phoon will still be an average ship outdone by almost every other ship around in most fields.
Quite frankly, I was against a missile rof bonus completely. The question now comes to me... continue training gallente spec or finish drone spec and then move to missiles. As far as I see the bonus really doesnt make the phoon a great ship (just a slightly better one).. and the missile skills hardly help me in any other avenue (Minmatar really lack the need for missiles on most other ships).

I'm sticking with training Gallente. Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer to do something well than all things badly.

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First part (and I'm sure it's known I'm not really a fan of that development)... well, it's not very different from the other tier1 ships.
Dominix is just as useless in fleet battles.
And once we get to long range, the apoc pretty much works alot better than the geddon (at least with the upcomming tach boost?).
And scorp really is a 'support ship' or 'tactical ship' - which isn't that different to be set up for killing tacklers.

And, when killing tacklers, it's really not heavy drones you should use... and then a phoon can hold a gazillion of drones as well.

Yes, indeed, to pilot a phoon well will require loads of skillpoints.
On the other hand, the tempest really is 'easy' skillpoint wise to fly.
Personally I'd like to give the phoon another missileslot to make it more missilebased.
And with the upcomming tier 3 battleships, I'd like to see one that's more 'long range based', preferably with 7 or 8 turretslots, but with some drawbacks to using it for ACs (maybe 8 highslots + damagebonus + range bonus = tempest will outdamage it at close range but at longer range this will do more damage).
Then the minnies would have one real 'fleet BS', and the tempest as an 'AC ship' for smaller gangs (well, or closerange large fights as well), and the phoon as a more 'alternative ship' for smaller fights.

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Originally by: dalman

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Originally by: Wizie

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Originally by: dalman

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Are you sure about that?

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It will still be an ABSOLUTE NO NO for fleet battles. Considering even sized/strength gangs, it is almost imperative that you bring in more dmg or better electronic warfare. With the game heading more and more towards supporting larger battles.. it would seem that the phoon is left out of this role.

Also, with the way lag plays, most fleet battles give the average player just about enough freedom to .. align back, locate target on overview, click guns, and hope he/she can warp out in time before the 1 volley kill hits.

Using drones to take out tacklers works... if you are not getting shot. Your drones are left behind, and yes this is often used to support Domis ability on the battlefield. However the drones on a domi are plentiful and the phoon not so much.


As for the other part, yes this gives the phoon an ability to do well if the person has great missile/gunnery/drone skills. To someone with merely drone/gunnery skills, the phoon will still be an average ship outdone by almost every other ship around in most fields.
Quite frankly, I was against a missile rof bonus completely. The question now comes to me... continue training gallente spec or finish drone spec and then move to missiles. As far as I see the bonus really doesnt make the phoon a great ship (just a slightly better one).. and the missile skills hardly help me in any other avenue (Minmatar really lack the need for missiles on most other ships).

I'm sticking with training Gallente. Call me old fashioned, but I much prefer to do something well than all things badly.

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First part (and I'm sure it's known I'm not really a fan of that development)... well, it's not very different from the other tier1 ships.
Dominix is just as useless in fleet battles.
And once we get to long range, the apoc pretty much works alot better than the geddon (at least with the upcomming tach boost?).
And scorp really is a 'support ship' or 'tactical ship' - which isn't that different to be set up for killing tacklers.

And, when killing tacklers, it's really not heavy drones you should use... and then a phoon can hold a gazillion of drones as well.

Yes, indeed, to pilot a phoon well will require loads of skillpoints.
On the other hand, the tempest really is 'easy' skillpoint wise to fly.
Personally I'd like to give the phoon another missileslot to make it more missilebased.
And with the upcomming tier 3 battleships, I'd like to see one that's more 'long range based', preferably with 7 or 8 turretslots, but with some drawbacks to using it for ACs (maybe 8 highslots + damagebonus + range bonus = tempest will outdamage it at close range but at longer range this will do more damage).
Then the minnies would have one real 'fleet BS', and the tempest as an 'AC ship' for smaller gangs (well, or closerange large fights as well), and the phoon as a more 'alternative ship' for smaller fights.

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Originally by: Wizie

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yay for caldari/minnie mix users..

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Wizie

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yay for caldari/minnie mix users..

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\o/

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Originally by: Wizie

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Wizie

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yay for caldari/minnie mix users..

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\o/

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Damn you Sarm, I'm gonna start rooting for a phoon nerf just cuz you are one.

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Wizie

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yay for caldari/minnie mix users..

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\o/

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Originally by: Hakera

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!summon Naughty Boy

SuckoDomi vs new typhoon

lets say 4 seige, 4 nos for phoon with a 5% Rof per lvl, vanilla domi with small hybrids, nos, drones, both armour tanking.

My rough guess (it is 1am here) would be a win for the phoon, given its ability to pound the domi with torps and beat the domi in dps/dot. Though a phoon with seige & nos will not have much of a tank at all anyway so may have to switch down to cruise II and hig dmg t2 cruise maybe.

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Originally by: Abdalion

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Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Quote:

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Tachyon Beams
They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.

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I predict a riot

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Originally by: Gariuys

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Gariuys

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There is no missing slot, 4 have 10 slots, 4 have 11 slots. It's fine.

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ishkur has a gigantic drone bay which, following gallente "tradition", replaces a slot.

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It also has incredibly crappy bonuses, which make up for the drones. Not the lacking slot.

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Originally by: CCP Hammer

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Boobies

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Originally by: Dhannik

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Why must CCP hate the Typhoon so? It never asked for this, CCP. The 'Phoon was always the one the other battleships picked on at the bus stop. They shoved it into puddles, stole it's lunch money, and called it 'lumpy'. Phoon's one source of joy was sniping. After running home from the bus stop with tears streaming down it's face and leaves shoved down the front of it's pants by Amarr bullies, Phoon would spend hours in the back pasture of it's dad's farm, honing it's skills. Sure, it couldn't hit very hard, as it was only born with 4 turret slots, but it's years of dedication and hard work paid off, and eventually the phoon could hit farther than any other battleship. And so, Phoon slipped into a quiet life of happy obscurity, pecking at interceptors from 250km off. Then CCP decided to get rid of the phoon's range bonus. The moral of the story here kids, is that if you're not one of those Caldari affronts to aesthetics, CCP hates you and wants you to die all alone and forgotten.

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Wizie

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yay for caldari/minnie mix users..

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\o/

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Matari: cruiser/BS @ lvl5
Caldari: cruiser/BS @ lvl5


only 5mio SP in missles missing

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Originally by: j0sephine

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As much as i like current looks of Hawk, a Kestrel-based hull for her would be awesome \o/

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Sadist

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Why thank you, but an additional 12.5% to a useless bonus is still a ****ty bonus overall. It's not sig resolution of the gun (which would make it pimpage vs webbed targets), its not another damage mod (which it should be), it's not even another optimal or falloff bonus, which would reduce the need (at least somewhat) to get in 500m from the opponent.

If you think this is "fixing" blasters, then devs really are cluless on balance matters.

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tracking bonus is a damage bonus, for math, check naughty boy

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Quote:

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- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.

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Originally by: Derran

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Wizie

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yay for caldari/minnie mix users..

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\o/

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Matari: cruiser/BS @ lvl5
Caldari: cruiser/BS @ lvl5


only 5mio SP in missles missing

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I already have Caldari BS 5 and I was just going to start training Minmatar BS to 5. Now I have even more of a reason to.:)

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Quote:

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They're not really worth fitting over mega beams right now. The damage output has been increased slightly, the tech 1 from 4.25 to 4.5.

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Quote:

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Jaguar - We've changed the projectile optimal range bonus to ship velocity, The Jaguar then becomes kind of a hybrid between an interceptor and an assault ships. It could also do with a tiny bit of cpu upgrade.

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Quote:

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Tracking Bonuses
They are not really that good so they are getting increased. All bonuses that were 5% per level are now 7.5% per level and those that were 7.5% per level are 10% per level.

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Originally by: Sadist

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Sadist

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Why thank you, but an additional 12.5% to a useless bonus is still a ****ty bonus overall. It's not sig resolution of the gun (which would make it pimpage vs webbed targets), its not another damage mod (which it should be), it's not even another optimal or falloff bonus, which would reduce the need (at least somewhat) to get in 500m from the opponent.

If you think this is "fixing" blasters, then devs really are cluless on balance matters.

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tracking bonus is a damage bonus, for math, check naughty boy

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Tracking in no way affects damage at transversals close to 0. When a blasterthron is attacking another BS, the latter is usually webbed, hence any TV velocity falls within range of regular (horribly crappy) tracking.

Next?

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Originally by: Dhannik

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Why must CCP hate the Typhoon so? It never asked for this, CCP. The 'Phoon was always the one the other battleships picked on at the bus stop. They shoved it into puddles, stole it's lunch money, and called it 'lumpy'. Phoon's one source of joy was sniping. After running home from the bus stop with tears streaming down it's face and leaves shoved down the front of it's pants by Amarr bullies, Phoon would spend hours in the back pasture of it's dad's farm, honing it's skills. Sure, it couldn't hit very hard, as it was only born with 4 turret slots, but it's years of dedication and hard work paid off, and eventually the phoon could hit farther than any other battleship. And so, Phoon slipped into a quiet life of happy obscurity, pecking at interceptors from 250km off. Then CCP decided to get rid of the phoon's range bonus. The moral of the story here kids, is that if you're not one of those Caldari affronts to aesthetics, CCP hates you and wants you to die all alone and forgotten.

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Originally by: Tachy

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Sarmaul:
The lower damage output for the missing optimal range would be nice to see in a graph.
0.0m/s speed for ship and target don't happen often at the ranges for phoon combat.

Drone range seems to be missing in your first graph.

Targeting range seems to be missing a bit.

Jaguar:
More speed + less opt range = much less damage output. \o/
Great idea, Tux ...

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Originally by: Nafri

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Originally by: Tachy

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Sarmaul:
The lower damage output for the missing optimal range would be nice to see in a graph.
0.0m/s speed for ship and target don't happen often at the ranges for phoon combat.

Drone range seems to be missing in your first graph.

Targeting range seems to be missing a bit.

Jaguar:
More speed + less opt range = much less damage output. \o/
Great idea, Tux ...

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Yeah its funny, even with the better tracking you can use your speed advantage, cause other guns will still outtrack you, and profit from your faster speed .

Its so funny that matari are fastest, but can take advantage of this cause of their crappy tracking

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Originally by: Khaldorn Murino

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Edited by: Khaldorn Murino on 17/03/2006 12:03:10
Minmatar are born to be underdogs, it is the way of things.

However, whether the changes and arty stuff has made them too much of an underdog is another matter. Personally i dont like the fact that you need a tracking boost module/bonus to make arties good. But I dont know maybe im wrong.

I like flying minmatar ships for various reasons, but there were some strange decisions made in thrir design process which i sometimes have trouble understanding, and admitedly, can be fraustrating.

EDIT: Very fraustrating :)

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Originally by: Soyemia

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If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?

It should be like this: MINMATARS FIGHTING ABILITY IS BADDEST OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LONG RANGE GUNS AREN'T REALLY AND OPTION! YOU HAVE LOWEST HP AND LOWEST DAMAGE! YOU HAVE SMALL SIGS AND FAST SPEED BUT TURRETS HAVE WORST TRACKING SOU YOU CAN'T HIT ANYBODY! SPEED AND SIG ISINT GREAT THING ALL OTHER TURRETS HIT WHEN U HAVE DECENT SPEED BUT YOUR DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHOICE THE MINMATAR!

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Originally by: Soyemia

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If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?

It should be like this: MINMATARS FIGHTING ABILITY IS BADDEST OF ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LONG RANGE GUNS AREN'T REALLY AND OPTION! YOU HAVE LOWEST HP AND LOWEST DAMAGE! YOU HAVE SMALL SIGS AND FAST SPEED BUT TURRETS HAVE WORST TRACKING SOU YOU CAN'T HIT ANYBODY! SPEED AND SIG ISINT GREAT THING ALL OTHER TURRETS HIT WHEN U HAVE DECENT SPEED BUT YOUR DONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHOICE THE MINMATAR!

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?"

It does say something to that effect in the race description when you create new character ^^;;

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I don't even want to know what would happen if amarr/caldari vs. Minmatar/gallente war would come :S. It would be mascare.

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Originally by: Soyemia

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I am maybe quitting eve for this.. *blah blah*...

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Originally by: Soyemia

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I am maybe quitting eve for this, I don't want to train all skilz again. I don't want to train new turrets or other ****. I f they don't ******* boost this, ill be very very angry...

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Originally by: LWMaverick

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Originally by: Soyemia

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I am maybe quitting eve for this.. *blah blah*...

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Please do so.

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Originally by: Veriane

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Originally by: Soyemia

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I am maybe quitting eve for this, I don't want to train all skilz again. I don't want to train new turrets or other ****. I f they don't ******* boost this, ill be very very angry...

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can i have you stuff ?

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Originally by: Soyemia

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I am maybe quitting eve for this, I don't want to train all skilz again. I don't want to train new turrets or other ****. I f they don't ******* boost this, ill be very very angry...

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: Manion Taleroth

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What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well?

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Manion Taleroth

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What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well?

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RPing in this forum is pretty much trolling. If you think they are ugly why don't you go to the Ideas forum and voice your oppinion there?

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Edited by: Pesadel0 on 17/03/2006 15:13:18
Edited by: Pesadel0 on 17/03/2006 15:10:14

Originally by: j0sephine

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"If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?"

It does say something to that effect in the race description when you create new character ^^;;

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Well it dindt say that two years ago ,or did it :?

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Originally by: Manion Taleroth

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Manion Taleroth

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What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well?

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RPing in this forum is pretty much trolling. If you think they are ugly why don't you go to the Ideas forum and voice your oppinion there?

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Lighten up.

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?"

It does say something to that effect in the race description when you create new character ^^;;

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p"

Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^

* hides

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p"

Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^

* hides

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p"

Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^

* hides

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Erm could be me but i choose the matar because of what i read in the chronicles ,they seemd tribal yes ,but they were not a force to be messed with..From what i gathered from the stories should be "fast and furius" not "fast and crappy".

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Originally by: Pesadel0

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p"

Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^

* hides

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Erm could be me but i choose the matar because of what i read in the chronicles ,they seemd tribal yes ,but they were not a force to be messed with..From what i gathered from the stories should be "fast and furius" not "fast and crappy".

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p"

Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^

* hides

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: Nafri

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Edited by: Nafri on 16/03/2006 11:39:32
so when your going to increase howitzers tracking?


and who the **** wanted tachs to be even better?

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Originally by: Oriana Fallaci

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Another important point where Minnies are the underdog is capitalships.

Minnie Dread gets bonus to both weapon systems, needs to train both, yet, if it deploys Siege Modules, which is Dreads true purpose, can only really capitalize on one of them.

Minnie carriers and motherships have hilarious boni and capacitor size.

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain

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Yeah it seems minnies are kind of getting shafted... My advice to minnie pilots is to train missiles now, and caldari bs 5...

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain

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Yeah it seems minnies are kind of getting shafted... My advice to minnie pilots is to train missiles now, and caldari bs 5...

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bugger caldari bs 5 - 4 will do for me :)

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Originally by: "Oveur"

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I don't react to threats any better than you do

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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One thing most people are forgetting are that Tachyons don't have projectile/hybrid equivalent.

Groups are basically:

Tachyon - No Proj - No Hyb
Mega Beam - 1400mm - 425mm
Dual Heavy - 1200mm - 350mm

So when you make comparison, the comparison isn't tachyon <-> 1400, its mega beam. The issue there is that there has not been a projectile and hybrid equivalent made.

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain

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Yeah it seems minnies are kind of getting shafted... My advice to minnie pilots is to train missiles now, and caldari bs 5...

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bugger caldari bs 5 - 4 will do for me :)

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Originally by: Isonkon Serikain

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true that tachyons are in a class of their own, and minnies could never fit bigger guns than 1400's on their BS's anyways... not enough grid, at all...

Now I am pretty sure tachys are the alpha strike kings, not 1400's... So artilleries don't have one area to shine in... No wait, im wrong, they do make the coolest sound when fired.

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Originally by: Vanye

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So Tachs have better tracking, better range, more dps and now even more burst damage than 1400s. Woot for balance .

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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One thing most people are forgetting are that Tachyons don't have projectile/hybrid equivalent.

Groups are basically:

Tachyon - No Proj - No Hyb
Mega Beam - 1400mm - 425mm
Dual Heavy - 1200mm - 350mm

So when you make comparison, the comparison isn't tachyon <-> 1400, its mega beam. The issue there is that there has not been a projectile and hybrid equivalent made.

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what's even worse is that there are only 2 types of artillery cannon :/

I want a 2000mm Artillery cannon - twice the damage mod of a 1400mm, 2/3 of the rof

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"according to j0, 1400mms do 10% more alpha strike than tachs now"

10% more than the "new" tachyon with increased damage modifier, to be exact... compared to current tachyons it should be a bit more than that ^^;

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Originally by: j0sephine

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"according to j0, 1400mms do 10% more alpha strike than tachs now"

10% more than the "new" tachyon with increased damage modifier, to be exact... compared to current tachyons it should be a bit more than that ^^;

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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One thing most people are forgetting are that Tachyons don't have projectile/hybrid equivalent.

Groups are basically:

Tachyon - No Proj - No Hyb
Mega Beam - 1400mm - 425mm
Dual Heavy - 1200mm - 350mm

So when you make comparison, the comparison isn't tachyon <-> 1400, its mega beam. The issue there is that there has not been a projectile and hybrid equivalent made.

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Originally by: The Enslaver

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And seriously, this stuff about Minmatar's being underpowered is ludicrous.

Artilleries do the highest volley damage of any guns in the game. Fact.

This is a MASSIVE bonus in any engagement with more than 5 people on each side, and it puts artilleries far, far above any other weapons in group PVP/PVE...

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Originally by: dalman

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You are wrong.
Completely wrong.
1. 1400T2 on tempest: 6.9/(23.63*0.75)=0.389 normalized damagemod.
2. 425T2: 3.3/9.56=0.345 normalized damagemod.

1 * 44 = 17.12
2 * 48 = 16.56
Even with highest damage T1 ammo, a 1400 do more DPS than a 425. But due to 7vs6 turret slots the mega do more damage.

1 * 60 = 23.34 -> * 6 = 140.04
2 * 60 = 20.70 -> * 7 = 144.90 = =3.47% more.
The T2 ammo has same base damage. Which means the 1400 actually does alot more DPS than a 425.
And with 7 turrets instead of 6, the megathron does an 'OMGWTFBBWWHOPPING!!!oneoneone' 3.47% more damage per second.
Truely amazing, isn't it?
(and it's not like you could fit anything useful in that 7:th slot)

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Originally by: Karash Amerius

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Originally by: Vanye

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So Tachs have better tracking, better range, more dps and now even more burst damage than 1400s. Woot for balance .

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And 1400s can switch to any damage type they want to.

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Originally by: Tachy

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Nevermind.
The devs had to pack their stuff quickly to party in Las Vegas and something had to be done about all those promises.

I hope the partying is much better than the changes to the Minmatar ships.

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Originally by: Spokesperson

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Edited by: Spokesperson on 17/03/2006 18:18:58

Originally by: Nafri

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Edited by: Nafri on 16/03/2006 11:39:32
so when your going to increase howitzers tracking?


and who the **** wanted tachs to be even better?

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someone is pwned^^

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Originally by: Nafri

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I stopped flying matari ships month ago. Even the matari recon is a bad excuse. Worthless piece of ****, even with faction stuff.

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Originally by: Oveur

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****! Lets nerf it!

To the nerfmobile!

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Originally by: Tiuwaz

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Originally by: Nafri

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I stopped flying matari ships month ago. Even the matari recon is a bad excuse. Worthless piece of ****, even with faction stuff.

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ah?


plz explain i dont have the skills yet for it and hoped it would be atleats decent

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Originally by: Sarmaul

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I want a 2000mm Artillery cannon - twice the damage mod of a 1400mm, 2/3 of the rof

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Originally by: Nafri

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It matters for railthrons for sure, even for blasterthrons... fights with 0 Trans are very rare (not even a dread in siege you will shoot with 0 trans). I hope you know that your own speed is also considered for tracking? So even when shooting a webbed BS it will be nice for your damage to have better tracking. Why? Cause YOU can move faster to avoid his damage. ATM blasters have the problem that you cant orbit with your max speed cause you will hurt yourself too much, with more tracking, you can use higher speed, and maybe have the chance to outtrack guns like pulselasers at your range.
Learn how the game works dude...

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- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.

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Originally by: Maya Rkell

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And if they're NOT nearly alligned, and you ave a deacent setup they're dead. There is no way a frigate can operate within with web bubble. That is a HUGE advantage. Or it would be if prescision missiles could't do the same thing.

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Originally by: Sadist

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Edited by: Sadist on 18/03/2006 20:15:06

Originally by: Nafri

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It matters for railthrons for sure, even for blasterthrons... fights with 0 Trans are very rare (not even a dread in siege you will shoot with 0 trans). I hope you know that your own speed is also considered for tracking? So even when shooting a webbed BS it will be nice for your damage to have better tracking. Why? Cause YOU can move faster to avoid his damage. ATM blasters have the problem that you cant orbit with your max speed cause you will hurt yourself too much, with more tracking, you can use higher speed, and maybe have the chance to outtrack guns like pulselasers at your range.
Learn how the game works dude...

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A battleship is not an interceptor, and i know more about this game than you ever will. For example taking things like drones (omg my BS can't orbit an ogre?), missiles (omg they nerfed my missiles, now enemies cant run away from them), and Ewar (I think i'll just solo that peacefully looking scorp, wait. NOT) will all screw over a mega, and no amount of tracking will help.
The measly increase in speed will in no way help you evade damage from a megapulse, or an autocannon, and the presence of 1 enemy web pretty much throws your argument out of the window. Solving mega's problems by a 12.5% increase to a generally crappy range of guns will not solve its problems. The tracking bonus is like a laugh and spit in the face from missile users - a crappy compensation for a flawed design.

You know, by this last post and an insult thrown my way you've eliminated any possible credibility you might have had.

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