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Soyemia	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:10:00 - [151] But what if they cather hundreds of omgpawn ravens? Phoons doesn't never get to enemys :(
LWMaverick	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:11:00 - [152] Originally by: Soyemia I am maybe quitting eve for this.. blah blah... Please do so.
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:14:00 - [153] "Well it dindt say that two yars ago ,or did it :?" Can't recall to be honest, but i also don't remember Minmatar description to change... so think it's been the same, cardboard and duct tape empire and all o.O
Veriane	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:14:00 - [154] Originally by: Soyemia I am maybe quitting eve for this, I don't want to train all skilz again. I don't want to train new turrets or other **. I f they don't ***** boost this, ill be very very angry... can i have you stuff ?
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:21:00 - [155] Originally by: LWMaverick Originally by: Soyemia I am maybe quitting eve for this.. blah blah... Please do so. Spoken like a true caldari .
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:25:00 - [156] Originally by: Veriane Originally by: Soyemia I am maybe quitting eve for this, I don't want to train all skilz again. I don't want to train new turrets or other **. I f they don't ***** boost this, ill be very very angry... can i have you stuff ? No you can¦t you dont even have a face so i can sell ya a face then you can have the stuff from soyemia.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:42:00 - [157] Originally by: Soyemia I am maybe quitting eve for this, I don't want to train all skilz again. I don't want to train new turrets or other **. I f they don't *** boost this, ill be very very angry... you know... after playing with matari tech for over 2.5 years... I don't care what happens... I will still fly my typhoon. Its pretty much the same ship I bought in 2003 despite any changes. Minny tech is pretty superior in a lot of ways. The Artillery need adjusting to the new RMR HP system and a few stats replaced here and there. But our options are clear, defined, and we don't need to break much more SP to jump races and exploit our existing SP investment. Our faction ship is THE BEST in teh game. Our cruiser is the best in the game. Our BC is so freaking good its not funny. Our battleshps are diverse. We have one of the best mission runners in the game. Talk to a caldari that has 1 damage dealing BS. Or the amarr who have nearly identical twin BSs. Or the Gallente who have been shafted on Large Blasters since the new gun changes years ago. Only thing left to do is have TUX fix what needs fixing. I don't care if tachs get love. As long as 1200/1400 do too. So... while your anger is understandable... its pretty much misplaced. Originally by:** "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Manion Taleroth	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:46:00 - [158] What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well?
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:49:00 - [159] Originally by: Manion Taleroth What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well? RPing in this forum is pretty much trolling. If you think they are ugly why don't you go to the Ideas forum and voice your oppinion there? Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Manion Taleroth	Posted - 2006.03.17 15:52:00 - [160] Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Manion Taleroth What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well? RPing in this forum is pretty much trolling. If you think they are ugly why don't you go to the Ideas forum and voice your oppinion there? Lighten up.

dabster	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:01:00 - [161] Edited by: dabster on 17/03/2006 16:01:36 Edited by: dabster on 17/03/2006 16:01:18 Originally by: Pesadel0 Edited by: Pesadel0 on 17/03/2006 15:13:18 Edited by: Pesadel0 on 17/03/2006 15:10:14 Originally by: j0sephine "If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?" It does say something to that effect in the race description when you create new character ^^;; Well it dindt say that two years ago ,or did it :? I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p (this is my first ever created character and main no doubt) ___________________________ Brutors Rule! My Eve-vids; Click.
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:31:00 - [162] Originally by: Manion Taleroth Originally by: Kaylana Syi Originally by: Manion Taleroth What are you Minmitar complaining about? You guys don't even build your ships, you just find floating space debris that has mysteriously floated together and stuck that way and shove a pod into it. Why are you surprised that they don't work all that well? RPing in this forum is pretty much trolling. If you think they are ugly why don't you go to the Ideas forum and voice your oppinion there? Lighten up. DEVs don't listen to crap. There is real work to be done. Like makigng a case for the jaguar and seing Artillery get boosted. As well as t2 missiles to be brought down to earth. And shields hp on typhoon to be swapped with armor hp. As well as differentiating a mega beam from a tach while making a tach worth fitting over 8 1400 IIs. k, bye Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:33:00 - [163] "I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p" Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^ * hides
Khaldorn Murino	Posted - 2006.03.17 16:51:00 - [164] Originally by: j0sephine "If minmatars are born underdogs, why doens't it read in description on them?" It does say something to that effect in the race description when you create new character ^^;; Yes, it says 'Ultimate Undeniable Underdogs'. You cant get much clearer than that. - Rise.
Pesadel0	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:16:00 - [165] Originally by: j0sephine "I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p" Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^ * hides Erm could be me but i choose the matar because of what i read in the chronicles ,they seemd tribal yes ,but they were not a force to be messed with..From what i gathered from the stories should be "fast and furius" not "fast and crappy".
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:21:00 - [166] Originally by: j0sephine "I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p" Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^ * hides Im a Deteis Researcher, and there is no research ingame. So why should be the matari the underdogs, just cause its written in their disreption?
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:26:00 - [167] "Im a Deteis Researcher, and there is no research ingame." Yeah, but research is finally coming and now you'll be making mint reverse engineering HACs into BPCs ;o
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:27:00 - [168] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: j0sephine "I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p" Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^ * hides Erm could be me but i choose the matar because of what i read in the chronicles ,they seemd tribal yes ,but they were not a force to be messed with..From what i gathered from the stories should be "fast and furius" not "fast and crappy". Quickly!! Gather your poo slingers!! WE GO TO WAR
OrangeAfroMan	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:27:00 - [169] Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: j0sephine "I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p" Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^ * hides Erm could be me but i choose the matar because of what i read in the chronicles ,they seemd tribal yes ,but they were not a force to be messed with..From what i gathered from the stories should be "fast and furius" not "fast and crappy". Quickly!! Gather your poo slingers!! WE GO TO WAR
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:40:00 - [170] Originally by: j0sephine "I'm pretty sure it did..was the main reason I picked what I did ;p" Yup, it's kind of like with WoW and Horde, if you go by their forum... people pick the Horde races so they can brag "look, we are so cool because we chose to have it harder than others" ... and then spend their play time crying "omg look we have it harder than others, unfair" -.^ * hides I never had it bad playing the Horde... my lvl 60 undead rogue was not bad because of being Horde or starting out near the Alliance. Nor were my other rogues. It was bad because nearly every patch from release has had a direct nerfing to the class by the DEVs. Then the recent patches have attempted to give any sort of love has been given also to Druid's cat form. So much for balance there. Anyways... if our devs keep taking our old roles as long range snipers and giving it to other ships then they need to bring a **e load of versatility to them. Like giving the Typhoon more drones and the Tempest a Megathron/Geddon like drone bay. As it stands the only reason why the Mega isn't as versatile than a Tempest is because their blasters are crap. Originally by:** "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do

Oriana Fallaci	Posted - 2006.03.17 17:48:00 - [171] Another important point where Minnies are the underdog is capitalships. Minnie Dread gets bonus to both weapon systems, needs to train both, yet, if it deploys Siege Modules, which is Dreads true purpose, can only really capitalize on one of them. Minnie carriers and motherships have hilarious boni and capacitor size. Apart from that, Artillery being completely dominated by Rails regarding range, damage, signature size, tracking speed and fitting requirements is the most glaring imbalance in the non-capital ship department.
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.03.17 18:10:00 - [172] Yeah it seems minnies are kind of getting shafted... My advice to minnie pilots is to train missiles now, and caldari bs 5... Ison's notches
Spokesperson	Posted - 2006.03.17 18:19:00 - [173] Edited by: Spokesperson on 17/03/2006 18:18:58 Originally by: Nafri Edited by: Nafri on 16/03/2006 11:39:32 so when your going to increase howitzers tracking? and who the **** wanted tachs to be even better? someone is pwned^^
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.17 18:28:00 - [174] Originally by: Oriana Fallaci Another important point where Minnies are the underdog is capitalships. Minnie Dread gets bonus to both weapon systems, needs to train both, yet, if it deploys Siege Modules, which is Dreads true purpose, can only really capitalize on one of them. Minnie carriers and motherships have hilarious boni and capacitor size. The only ones claiming, even in my own corp, that the Naglfar is the worst are the ones who have not flown any dread at all. I can't comment on how uber the others are... but I know for fact the Naglfar is an excellent ship. I would even go as far to say that if you can fly 2 Dreads and don't have the Phoenix and Naglfar together than you are wasting a ton of SP somwhere to not make a very good case for anti-Nagfar. Naglfar is a natural progression from the Typhoon. You need Torpedo's 5 for siege 2 which is a short stop to Citadel skills. And you need Large Proj 5 to specialize in AC/Art so your still using SP you would have trained anyways. BS 5 is more prominent on Matari vessels anyways over the others. So... infact... Matari by being underdogs and requiring more SP investment... are closer to flying Cap Ships than the other races by default. Sometimes being the underdog wins. And in tanking department... if you are more proned to flying Ravens and Tempests on same character... Shield Operation 5 and Tactical Shield man 5 is natrual progression. If you do Minmatar and Amarr/Gall then Hull Upgrades 5 and Repair Systems 5 is natural progression. I don't really see what diff being underdog makes as long as we have tools to be competitive. d.650mm II are right where I would expect them to be. 800 IIs need more love and Arties Need more love. Some stats need to be changed, like shield hp on phoon to armor hp... and kay will be a happy panda. If no love comes to arties then I will just get a machariel and be an happy panda at tempest anonymous meetings. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.17 19:10:00 - [175] Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Yeah it seems minnies are kind of getting shafted... My advice to minnie pilots is to train missiles now, and caldari bs 5... bugger caldari bs 5 - 4 will do for me :)
Isonkon Serikain	Posted - 2006.03.17 19:17:00 - [176] Yeah.. I got that one already... I don't know whether to train large lasers up to tech 2 or torps... I am guessing missiles is the way to go. Projectiles are looking lamer and lamer... Ison's notches
Kaylana Syi	Posted - 2006.03.17 19:25:00 - [177] Originally by: Sarmaul Originally by: Isonkon Serikain Yeah it seems minnies are kind of getting shafted... My advice to minnie pilots is to train missiles now, and caldari bs 5... bugger caldari bs 5 - 4 will do for me :) 4 is good'nuff in every race unless your minny or you wanna get gal 5 for a machariel to squeeze them 1400 IIs like turnips. Originally by: "Oveur" I don't react to threats any better than you do
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.03.17 20:17:00 - [178] One thing most people are forgetting are that Tachyons don't have projectile/hybrid equivalent. Groups are basically: Tachyon - No Proj - No Hyb Mega Beam - 1400mm - 425mm Dual Heavy - 1200mm - 350mm So when you make comparison, the comparison isn't tachyon <-> 1400, its mega beam. The issue there is that there has not been a projectile and hybrid equivalent made. -------- Shinra Director
The Enslaver	Posted - 2006.03.17 20:20:00 - [179] And seriously, this stuff about Minmatar's being underpowered is ludicrous. Artilleries do the highest volley damage of any guns in the game. Fact. This is a MASSIVE bonus in any engagement with more than 5 people on each side, and it puts artilleries far, far above any other weapons in group PVP/PVE... -------- Shinra Director
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.17 20:21:00 - [180] Originally by: The Enslaver One thing most people are forgetting are that Tachyons don't have projectile/hybrid equivalent. Groups are basically: Tachyon - No Proj - No Hyb Mega Beam - 1400mm - 425mm Dual Heavy - 1200mm - 350mm So when you make comparison, the comparison isn't tachyon <-> 1400, its mega beam. The issue there is that there has not been a projectile and hybrid equivalent made. what's even worse is that there are only 2 types of artillery cannon :/ I want a 2000mm Artillery cannon - twice the damage mod of a 1400mm, 2/3 of the rof



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