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Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
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Posted - 2014.04.22 09:00:00 -
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bump Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Benar Ellecon
From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi
22
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Posted - 2014.04.22 18:34:00 -
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One of the best ideas I have heard in a long time! Many +1's And as for the devs responding, either they are working in secret and we will hear of Dinsdales idea at fanfest, or well...they just have not responded. Which is a pure shame. This idea is unbelievably fresh!
Good job Dinsdale!
NOTE: This is a good indication they may be taking it seriously and working on it in secret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA
Fly with your hair on FIRE! |

Grayland Aubaris
Ocellus Technology Tiger Cats
40
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:26:00 -
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Benar Ellecon wrote:One of the best ideas I have heard in a long time! Many +1's And as for the devs responding, either they are working in secret and we will hear of Dinsdales idea at fanfest, or well...they just have not responded. Which is a pure shame. This idea is unbelievably fresh! Good job Dinsdale! NOTE: This is a good indication they may be taking it seriously and working on it in secret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA
Space tornadoes have been spotted before in eve - check out 3:15 in this video from 2009 (I think the actual video is even older than this by several years).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LdPf2J_hs |

Benar Ellecon
From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi
22
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Posted - 2014.04.22 19:48:00 -
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Grayland Aubaris wrote:Benar Ellecon wrote:One of the best ideas I have heard in a long time! Many +1's And as for the devs responding, either they are working in secret and we will hear of Dinsdales idea at fanfest, or well...they just have not responded. Which is a pure shame. This idea is unbelievably fresh! Good job Dinsdale! NOTE: This is a good indication they may be taking it seriously and working on it in secret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA
Space tornadoes have been spotted before in eve - check out 3:15 in this video from 2009 (I think the actual video is even older than this by several years). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LdPf2J_hs
True, I have heard of the effect before. But the latest video was from March of this year on SiSi...just leads me to believe that there may be a possibility, if ever remote, they may be working on something like this idea. It would be rather refreshing and something you could actually call a feature in the "expansion".
If anything I find it a good idea to keep this thread alive and kicking in the hopes we could get a Dev opinion on it soon(TM). Fly with your hair on FIRE! |

Mazzara
Gale Force Contractors
8
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Posted - 2014.04.22 23:11:00 -
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This is one of the best ideas I've ever read in this form. +1.
I am wondering why no comment from a dev yet? It would be nice to know what's possible? No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use,-áyou can't wash shame! |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2748
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Posted - 2014.04.23 03:08:00 -
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Benar Ellecon wrote:Grayland Aubaris wrote:Benar Ellecon wrote:One of the best ideas I have heard in a long time! Many +1's And as for the devs responding, either they are working in secret and we will hear of Dinsdales idea at fanfest, or well...they just have not responded. Which is a pure shame. This idea is unbelievably fresh! Good job Dinsdale! NOTE: This is a good indication they may be taking it seriously and working on it in secret: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_GZQzrBaKA
Space tornadoes have been spotted before in eve - check out 3:15 in this video from 2009 (I think the actual video is even older than this by several years). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5LdPf2J_hs True, I have heard of the effect before. But the latest video was from March of this year on SiSi...just leads me to believe that there may be a possibility, if ever remote, they may be working on something like this idea. It would be rather refreshing and something you could actually call a feature in the "expansion". If anything I find it a good idea to keep this thread alive and kicking in the hopes we could get a Dev opinion on it soon(TM).
The more time that goes by, the more I think if CCP integrates this into any game, it will be more likely in Valkyrie. I think it would be a better fit. As for dev's posting in this thread, I would not bet on it. One of the CSM's presented it to the dev's, and they said they were aware of it. That was some months ago. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
161
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Posted - 2014.04.23 05:01:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Given that CCP has now demonstrated that they have the coding capability to create zones of non-scanability, how about creating stuff like static nebula's and gas clouds that negate the ability to scan in OR out. Where there is a perpetual warp disruption field in place.
Large areas, thousands of km across, where fleets can hide, or even get lost in. Put items/sites of value in in them though, where people REALLY have to explore, where you operate by your wits, overview and luck.
Some place that while it is easy to hide in, be it someone with evil or benign intentions, but also makes it very difficult to hunt someone down in the cloud.
I always imagined some kind of area like we saw in the Wrath of Khan, would be a very interesting to spend a few hours, or longer, in. This. Is a god damb Amazing Idea.
It frightens me that none of you have thought of this yet............. |

Joe Boirele
Lords 0f Justice Lords Of Stars
25
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Posted - 2014.04.23 05:55:00 -
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+1
Perfect intel and the inability to hide anywhere is a bit annoying. Enemies are just friends who stab you in the front.
Might makes right! |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
981
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Posted - 2014.04.23 06:22:00 -
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Phaade wrote:It frightens me that none of you have thought of this yet.............
I chose to believe that Dinsdale was the first to dare to put this idea on the forums. 
And quite honestly, it's good that he did it, if his OP had been written badly that idea might just have been trolled to death and burried under mountains of flames. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Grayland Aubaris
Ocellus Technology Tiger Cats
41
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:48:00 -
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If anyone from this thread is going to fanfest I demand that you find the nearest dev and then RUN at him/her - rugby tackle them to the ground then proceed to administer intense psychological warfare, for example by making them watch ten minutes of Britain's Got Talent - or thirty seconds of the 'X-Factor' until they agree to return to the office and make this happen.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
387
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:56:00 -
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Grayland Aubaris wrote:If anyone from this thread is going to fanfest I demand that you find the nearest dev and then RUN at him/her - rugby tackle them to the ground then proceed to administer intense psychological warfare, for example by making them watch ten minutes of Britain's Got Talent - or thirty seconds of the 'X-Factor' until they agree to return to the office and make this happen.
Go for maximum effect though, make them watch a montage of the sob-story acts... |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
985
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Posted - 2014.04.23 12:59:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Go for maximum effect though, make them watch a montage of the sob-story acts...
I think we might be crossing a line there... 
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1590
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:01:00 -
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Reported for instigating of RL violence against devs.
To be clear: I reported it to Ripard since he is astoundingly effective in countering psychological torture attempts. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Corraidhin Farsaidh
Hello-There
387
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:02:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Go for maximum effect though, make them watch a montage of the sob-story acts... I think we might be crossing a line there... 
You might be right, they still need to be able to work afterwards no point having a gibbering wreck doing IT work...oh wait...I just described myself... |

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4138
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:21:00 -
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Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:Go for maximum effect though, make them watch a montage of the sob-story acts... I think we might be crossing a line there...  You might be right, they still need to be able to work afterwards no point having a gibbering wreck doing IT work...oh wait...I just described myself... Being lactose intolerant, it was many years before I realized my mind was the "Have you seen me?" lost soul advertised on the side of the milk cartons... Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked... |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2753
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:31:00 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Phaade wrote:It frightens me that none of you have thought of this yet............. I chose to believe that Dinsdale was the first to dare to put this idea on the forums.  And quite honestly, it's good that he did it, if his OP had been written badly that idea might just have been trolled to death and burried under mountains of flames.
Actually, it was. At least with the 1st post. I think a 2nd flame post may have been deleted by the poster as well, but my memory is hazy on that. I think about the 5th post Malcanis stepped up and gave his endorsement and the tide turned, and I went back to the original post and edited to basically a theme, as opposed to deep specifics.
Malcanis and I are polar opposites when it comes to the current state and future of Eve, but I do have to give him props for stepping up and I believe getting other CSM members to endorse it.
It is also nice to see people keep resurrecting the thread, but my cynicism leads me to believe the longer CCP goes without even discussing this openly with the community, the less chance we will ever see it implemented. CCP clearly has a lot of things they have prioritized over this concept, and they only have so many game designers and developers. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1591
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Posted - 2014.04.23 13:51:00 -
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They cannot tell us anything they are working on because you know, people could get excited about game they pay for and there is no place for excitement and/or fun in Eve. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Delhaven
Summit Innovative Equipment
25
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:09:00 -
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I read enough of this to realize this is a bloody brilliant idea. As someone said earlier, this is what exploration should have looked like all along.
Eve tends to be really linear and formulaic. Something like this, with a huge pile of random stuff that could happen, would be an amazing addition.
I have these images in my head:
A week-old noob in a frigate sees this pop up on the screen. After jumping in, he/she has a pants-crapping moment while successfully outmaneuvering and evading a gang of T3s that are out hunting. Then runs into a random structure and pulls out an item worth a small fortune. Then spends an hour trying to get out again while dodging NPCs, players, and a hostile environment. A legend is started.
Or, a four-year-old player in a Command Ship flies around and finds a really nasty area of space with vicious NPCs, huge environmental damage, and a lone jetcan in the middle. He/she fights through and barely survives, opens the can, and finds a piece of scrap metal. The glorious, glorious tears.
Those are the kind of stories I'd want to hear about. |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1601
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Posted - 2014.04.23 16:15:00 -
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Do not forget to watch live stream tomorrow to not hear about anything even slightly similar to this feature. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Benar Ellecon
From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi
22
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Posted - 2014.04.24 19:13:00 -
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The least they could do is comment in this thread and say how they feel about it. It has been up for quite a while with no replies from the devs; maybe that says it all? Fly with your hair on FIRE! |
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Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2014.04.24 20:12:00 -
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Finally!!! a true exploration!!! endless possibilties, both PvE and PvP.
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:It is also nice to see people keep resurrecting the thread, but my cynicism leads me to believe the longer CCP goes without even discussing this openly with the community, the less chance we will ever see it implemented. CCP clearly has a lot of things they have prioritized over this concept, and they only have so many game designers and developers.
Doesn't mean its not worth to try. Bacon tastes so much better when it's marinated in vegan tears.-á |

Tengu Grib
Maniacal Laughter Ltd.
54
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Posted - 2014.04.25 01:04:00 -
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Personally what I would love to see if this came about, would be that while you are inside the cloud, local does not work. While you are in system outside the cloud, you can see everyone in local, including the people inside the cloud. This would leave you with the question, are they cloaked somewhere? Are they in the cloud? FML do I go in there looking for them? With the multiple exits / entrances mentioned, it's not like you could 'camp' them inside, they can simply come out a different location and warp away with you completely unaware (except maybe seeing them on D-scan when they come out).
My reasoning for this is that it would encourage PVP'ers to enter the clouds looking for their wartargets / gank targets.
Everything else about this, I love. Tengu Grib > I agree. The distinct lack of quality spaceships makes RL the worst space sim ever. SolidX > i'm an alt IRL Guilty conscience? Buy a mining permit today. www.minerbumping.com |

Mazzara
Gale Force Contractors
8
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Posted - 2014.05.02 13:49:00 -
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Bump No matter how much you scrub, how hot of water you use,-áyou can't wash shame! |

Nikk Narrel
Moonlit Bonsai
4195
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Posted - 2014.05.02 14:10:00 -
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Supported. Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence What if Local Chat changed, Hunting the Cloaked... |

1c3crysta1
Autarky The Autonomy
28
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Posted - 2014.05.02 15:43:00 -
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This idea would bring a new depth to every area, from high-sec to w-space. A strong +1 |

Kate Blaze
True Power Capsuleers
2
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Posted - 2014.05.02 16:30:00 -
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Great idea, but it needs to be null space even in hi sec locations. Makes no sense that concord would suddenly fly inside and shoot you. |

Topher Basquette Dusch-shur
Montana Freedom Fighters
10
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Posted - 2014.05.02 18:25:00 -
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Kate Blaze wrote:Great idea, but it needs to be null space even in hi sec locations. Makes no sense that concord would suddenly fly inside and shoot you.
As someone who makes all of my money in hi sec, I agree. The only issue that I could see if if someone takes their mission gate and it drops them in this. As long as there was some way to prevent that from happening I would love it. If I want to wander into that mess on my own I should expect people to try to kill me the same as 0.4 and lower.
Give me a reason to whip out a HAC in hi sec other than Buzz Kill or Recon. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2886
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Posted - 2014.05.02 19:07:00 -
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Topher Basquette Dusch-shur wrote:Kate Blaze wrote:Great idea, but it needs to be null space even in hi sec locations. Makes no sense that concord would suddenly fly inside and shoot you. As someone who makes all of my money in hi sec, I agree. The only issue that I could see if if someone takes their mission gate and it drops them in this. As long as there was some way to prevent that from happening I would love it. If I want to wander into that mess on my own I should expect people to try to kill me the same as 0.4 and lower. Give me a reason to whip out a HAC in hi sec other than Buzz Kill or Recon.
The whole concept would be the null sec rules. Imagine wh space, with no dscan, no warp capabilities. Maybe reduced visual range (100km maybe?). Micro Jump Drives...maybe.
And a dog's breakfast of "stuff" in them. Maybe 2/10's, or maybe a C6 capital escalation. Maybe the richest ore belt you can imagine, or maybe a high sec quality ice belt.
The whole idea would be that the content's of each cloud would be unique, and completely randomized. No one could game the system.
You might find billions of ISK of stuff, just waiting for an enterprising group to gather in. Or it might be a trap, with a bunch of nasty players just waiting for someone to fall into their web. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Petrified
Old and Petrified Syndication TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
125
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:04:00 -
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Isn't this what cloaking devices are for? Hiding ships?
But, if you take this idea and spin it:
The location shows as an anomaly on sensors so it can be warped to. Ships can be detected via probes, but with reduced strength - the interference. The nebulas cause reduced range and tracking. Lock times increased
Random chance for roids and gas appropriate for that area. Maybe smaller random chance for some ice in limited quantities. Presence or consumption of which have no effect on the duration of this nebula. Given the sensor disruption, pirates may be present.
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
76
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Posted - 2014.05.02 20:11:00 -
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Dinsdale some of your posts are absolutely pantsonhead ********, but this one is easily among the best ideas in F&I ever, and surprisingly complete.
+1
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