-First, came the PVP Probing and (semi-ineffectual) Orca hotswap nerf, to protect mission runners from themselves.


Orcas? Even less profitable than freighters, due to the magical, unscannable, no-drop corporate hangars and high EHP.

You paint a very wow like future of Eve Online.

that's the dumbest remark i've seen on the eve forums in the past month. and it tastes a lot like failpvp tears.

If you're doing it for tears you shouldn't care about making money anyway, because you're a big, strong scary badass who spends all his time outside of EVE talking to girls. And if you're doing it for money you should be hitting something worth the cost of your ship, otherwise you're doing it for tears.

As for the Orca ship mant. bay nerf.

What's more "carebear" and "risk averse" than instantly tucking your ship away into complete safety, 100% consequence free, even if you were aggressed and tackled?

First of all a hug to you. Your tears are most delicious. Please add some more and can I have your stuff?

-Infiltration-gankers started finding themselves booted from corporations and Concorded while IN SPACE, mid-gank.

Second, don't take yourself that seriously. The reason why you can now boot people from corp in space is to make it easier to remove spies from 0.0 alliances. That's what was extremely annoying. Nobody gave a hoot about some little twerp infiltrating hi-sec corps. If you are so slow that it takes you longer to gank a hulk that in takes them to kick you than you blow pretty badly anyway and should look for a different occupation in Eve.

Just curious:

Having never done this, what if I had a Hulk loaded to the gills in high-sec ore?

How much ISK is that cargo worth anyway and is it worth anything to gank it at all?

If you're doing it for tears you shouldn't care about making money anyway, because you're a big, strong scary badass who spends all his time outside of EVE talking to girls. And if you're doing it for money you should be hitting something worth the cost of your ship, otherwise you're doing it for tears.

Overall, kind of a grim picture for highsec aggression lately;

-First, came the PVP Probing and (semi-ineffectual) Orca hotswap nerf, to protect mission runners from themselves.
-Then CCP hit the mercs by sanctioning sham wardec evasion, rendering highsec POSes nearly invulnerable.
-Infiltration-gankers started finding themselves booted from corporations and Concorded while IN SPACE, mid-gank.
-Now we have an insurance nerf aimed directly at suicide gankers, and a possible Concord buff on the way.

1. Successful For-Profit gank - the cargo/mods dropped must be worth more than the cost of the gank.
2. Successful For-Tears gank - the value of the ship destroyed must be more than the cost of the gank. (ie, if it costs you 240M and sec status to kill a 200M target, its hard to call it a victory)

Just to add another one, the changes to anchoring and onlining times for POS mods mean that even should a war target not evade the war it will be a completely trivial task to remove anything of value from a POS (many mods have had their times reduced by a factor of OVER 100).

Not sure I can call that complete safety. If the Orca is ganked while my ship is tucked into the bay, I will have effectively lost two ships in one amazing explosion. This is why I had to change my plans.

You paint a very wow like future of Eve Online.

NO! Do NOT go all Trammel/Felluca on this!

Why don't you use a Maelstrom as the basis for your calculations as the primary objective is obviously to skew the data as much as possible in favour of your point of view?

Send the "Debate like a Boss, by FoxNews" book back to your dealer or use it as kindling .. it has no value outside tea-party back patting seminars.

PS: Why don't you run the exact same numbers for the PvP scenario, with say a 50% success rate (ie. 1:1 kill:loss rate)?
We have been dependent purely on drops (and tears) to keep afloat since the dawn of time, about time the ganking population was treated the same as the players for whom the game is supposedly meant.

Telling high-sec "PvP'ers" that they fail at Eve, life and everything is NEVER a waste of time .. just sayin'

PS: Already gave my input to the whole tier3 crap and since spamming is something only monkeys and ignorants do my work there is done.

I second this. I've seen it ruin the best mmorpg i've ever played.

As Bladewise would say, "CCP is clearly hugging carebear nut-sack".

You paint a very wow like future of Eve Online.

Ultra-pimped Active-Tanked PVE Tengu? Two of these kill it dead...

Actually, you are a bit early for the tears. If the Tornado comes out with a Tempest alpha (like currently on SISI) I, and every other ganker will be happy as a clam, and the carebear carnage will be glorious. I plan to buy 2 or 3 BPOS and keep them quite busy myself.

Save your hug for the dead Hulk pilots - if you can find them after they get podded by my temp account 'special' alts. I'll be laughing and reading the new improved podmails, NOW with more implants.

For today, we have insurance - Tomorrow we have Tornados.

Just curious:

Having never done this, what if I had a Hulk loaded to the gills in high-sec ore?

How much ISK is that cargo worth anyway and is it worth anything to gank it at all?

i dont get this ganking for tears where you talk about having limitless isk then you go on to whine about the cost being too high?
I dont think miners care much about what your ship is worth, the tears come from knowing the time it will take to get theirs back

For profit though I can agree with that, but then again all it does is lower the amount of targets by a little bit.

I'm not talking about me, personally.
Making ISK in this game is stupidly easy once you reach critical mass.

But I'm considering all the gankers out there of limited means.

kind of like myself a few years ago, before I made my first 2-3 Billion ganking haulers.....until the carebears whined so incessantly that Concord got buffed and sec status penalties were massively increased.

Goons are right. This nerf won't stop ganking. But it will stop SOME people from ganking. Newer players. Poorer players.

So let me get this right... CCP needs to protect these hypothetical newbie suicide gankers from the harsh results of their own actions, but they should not protect newbie hi sec miners? Even though the gankers usually are neither newbies nor poor, where the hi sec miners actually are? Even though as the goons proved, suicide ganking can generate trillions in profits with very little work where hi sec mining generates tiny profits with huge amounts of work?

I think you're having trouble stepping back from your point of view to see the bigger picture.

So let me get this right... CCP needs to protect these hypothetical newbie suicide gankers from the harsh results of their own actions, but they should not protect newbie hi sec miners? Even though the gankers usually are neither newbies nor poor, where the hi sec miners actually are? Even though as the goons proved, suicide ganking can generate trillions in profits with very little work where hi sec mining generates tiny profits with huge amounts of work?

I think you're having trouble stepping back from your point of view to see the bigger picture.

About the only way to get ganked in highsec is if you are stupid, AFK and/or greedy

If you have lot to lose, you aren't a noob.

-First, came the PVP Probing and (semi-ineffectual) Orca hotswap nerf, to protect mission runners from themselves.

-Then CCP hit the mercs by sanctioning sham wardec evasion, rendering highsec POSes nearly invulnerable.

-Infiltration-gankers started finding themselves booted from corporations and Concorded while IN SPACE, mid-gank.

-Now we have an insurance nerf aimed directly at suicide gankers, and a possible Concord buff on the way.

Hoo my goodness poor mercs...If you don't have concord candies anymore for criminal acts: null sec/low sec wishes you "welcome". -stop harassing newb corps or industrials just go to serious business.

Grow a pair go there or stop wining, Mitani will wish you the most welcome, you have the options but you don't pick them because...??

No I actually agree with that, put a stop to the imbalanced suicide ganking and make players use the war decs instead, they're there for a reason.
Unfortunately CCP is breaking the war mechanics too....


Also, about the your game stuff, EVE is everyone's game and its the player interactions that make it, whether you like them or not :)

Most probably they're just afraid of loosing shiny stuff vs armys of rifters? - adapt or die, this is what they always say.

Now real effort is needed to continuously wardec newb corps, witch was completely silly.

pee vee pee goes

Now real effort is needed to continuously wardec newb corps, witch was completely silly.

Blah blah blah high sec old corps industrials miners etc? - the choice is there: low sec/null sec

It's a very nice way to improve low sec/null sec, force pee vee peer's to go there where pee vee pee goes, so I think all this stuff is very good for newbies and real casuals staying in high sec has is good to improve low/null activity.

Most probably they're just afraid of loosing shiny stuff vs armys of rifters? - adapt or die, this is what they always say.

In high sec, there are
A) high value targets with nice deadspace drops.
B) Players who don't want to be shot - or don't expect to be killed, and thus generate far more tears. (and sometimes loots)

Doesn't mean that CCP need to bend over backwards and distort the insurance system just to make the highsec victims feel better about it.

Got it now? Geez, some people are slow.

Tell you what, why doesn't someone just make a flash game where you pretend to blow up covetors and we'll call it a day. We'll call it "Angry Miners" or something.

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?

Your inner sadism is strong. Thank God you have EVE to satisfy it.

Is spelling it out like that supposed to be insulting?

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?

Dump them all on the Chinese server.

OP wants more easy targets, not less.

TEARS had member corps that did a lot of operations out of null and wormhole space. Not sure why the OP is still in High Sec if it bothers him that much.

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?

Funny, but I thought it sounded like you were looking forward to that result.

Because flash games don't convo me after I blow up their exhumer and threaten to kill me in rl thereby earning themselves a permaban from the game. Why would you want to stop all that fun from happening?

So some dude threatens to hunt down and kill me in real life and I'm the sick sadist?

So you enjoy the suffering of others, but you don't want to be labelled as a sadist.
Now that's amusing.

I don't care how I'm labeled. I was just amused that in my story about some miner threatening to kill me irl I was seen as the bad guy.

Actually, I was referring to this and what reads like some gleeful anticipation at its occurrence.

Not the stupidly unlikely chance that another fat dude would actually get off his couch and hunt you down.

I don't care how I'm labeled. I was just amused that in my story about some miner threatening to kill me irl I was seen as the bad guy.

Oh well in that case yes...getting some pubbie so mad that he earns himself a permaban is something I enjoy a great deal.

Actually you were seen as the bad guy because you enjoyed the rage you created. You seem to have misinterpreted it all.