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James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8248	Posted - 2014.01.10 00:58:00 - [61] - Quote Cale Nolen wrote: quick question from newb why doesnt CCP limit/cap how many type of a specific ship a fleet can have? Because you can just make multiple fleets. I mean, they do already. The maximum number of ships you can have in fleet is 250, plus five wing commanders and one fleet commander. My EVE Videos
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2249	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:03:00 - [62] - Quote Every time I hear someone say that we've become BoB, I remember reading about how they were elitist and exclusionary then I take a look over at Spacemonkies Alliance and realize that we'll let any idiot with a pulse in.
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9978	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:04:00 - [63] - Quote SmilingVagrant wrote: Every time I hear someone say that we've become BoB, I remember reading about how they were elitist and exclusionary then I take a look over at Spacemonkies Alliance and realize that we'll let any idiot with a pulse in. I just take a quick look at Amok Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Thead Enco Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn 38	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:05:00 - [64] - Quote Changing the Carrier requirement from Battleship V to III was a "Full ******" decision from a certain somebody.
SmilingVagrant GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 2249	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:06:00 - [65] - Quote Priestess Lin wrote: Andski wrote: i like the passive-aggressive snipes from mouthbreathing NPC alts who think they're contributing to the discussion sorry, I don't have an enormous bandwagon corp to hide behind, nor the patience to deal with the kids who hop onto it that will undoubtedly use locator agents to avenge their butt-hurt. Truth hurts. can't fly can't crow can't fight what kind of pan are you
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 684	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:19:00 - [66] - Quote http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
Logical 101 Agony Unleashed Agony Empire 245	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:31:00 - [67] - Quote Aiwha wrote: http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered When I first read it, that article, while concise and well-written, did little more for me than confirm the validity of my convictions regarding (and utter disdain for) capital warfaret. Expensive and simultaneously disposable... a drain to prevent the inevitable overflow of null ISK... and increasingly, tools which remove the need for conscious interaction from the framework of large-scale PvP. I have no respect for Slowcats, nor for any capital doctrine for that matter.
Charlie Firpol Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns. 106	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:45:00 - [68] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: Aren't you supposed to be training Nagflars or something? Your great leaders orders. Or was he drunk that time too? JDO 5 in queue. But having a counter doesn't automatically make something balanced. But isnt "something isnt counterable, unless you bring n+1 of the same" your definition of imbalanced? Like I wrote before in this thread, I think it is too soon to already nerf the hell out of drone assists (and thats whats going to happen, if anything happens). The probable counters havent even been properly tested on field yet.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8249	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:49:00 - [69] - Quote Aiwha wrote: http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past. When typical boot fleets rarely if ever surpassed 100 carriers. My EVE Videos
Cale Nolen Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:51:00 - [70] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Cale Nolen wrote: quick question from newb why doesnt CCP limit/cap how many type of a specific ship a fleet can have? Because you can just make multiple fleets. I mean, they do already. The maximum number of ships you can have in fleet is 250, plus five wing commanders and one fleet commander. So why not cap ship size in a fleet? i mean say per fleet you can only have a maximum of 20 capital ships. have the fleet size based of mass or something. Sorry for the noob question lol just trying to understand it all
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8249	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:52:00 - [71] - Quote Charlie Firpol wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: Aren't you supposed to be training Nagflars or something? Your great leaders orders. Or was he drunk that time too? JDO 5 in queue. But having a counter doesn't automatically make something balanced. But isnt "something isnt counterable, unless you bring n+1 of the same" your definition of imbalanced? Like I wrote before in this thread, I think it is too soon to already nerf the hell out of drone assists (and thats whats going to happen, if anything happens). The probable counters havent even been properly tested on field yet. No it isn't. That would be a sure sign of imbalance, but the existence of other counters is not proof of balance. My EVE Videos
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8249	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:53:00 - [72] - Quote Cale Nolen wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Cale Nolen wrote: quick question from newb why doesnt CCP limit/cap how many type of a specific ship a fleet can have? Because you can just make multiple fleets. I mean, they do already. The maximum number of ships you can have in fleet is 250, plus five wing commanders and one fleet commander. So why not cap ship size in a fleet? i mean say per fleet you can only have a maximum of 20 capital ships. have the fleet size based of mass or something. Sorry for the noob question lol just trying to understand it all Because again you can just make multiple fleets. It would make organizing marginally harder but that's about it. My EVE Videos
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2051	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:54:00 - [73] - Quote Charlie Firpol wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Priestess Lin wrote: Aren't you supposed to be training Nagflars or something? Your great leaders orders. Or was he drunk that time too? JDO 5 in queue. But having a counter doesn't automatically make something balanced. But isnt "something isnt counterable, unless you bring n+1 of the same" your definition of imbalanced? Like I wrote before in this thread, I think it is too soon to already nerf the hell out of drone assists (and thats whats going to happen, if anything happens). The probable counters havent even been properly tested on field yet. Idk if that's what his statement above really meant, though. I view it as something along the lines of "The answer to capitals should not only be 'more capitals'." Subcapital fleets should stand a chance. And drone assist is a big part of why they don't. The other part is ubiquitous nature of the Archon, because it really does nothing badly, a problem which is only exacerbated by it being fielded in large numbers. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9981	Posted - 2014.01.10 01:59:00 - [74] - Quote Aiwha wrote: http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past. Hilmar Keller wrote that article and he's in your coalition, gg Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Cale Nolen Caldari Provisions Caldari State 3	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:00:00 - [75] - Quote ok forgive me cause i dont understand tbh say 1 fleet was only allowed 2 capitals but there was say 10 fleets each with 2 capitals could 1 fleet of say 100/200 smaller ships not counter that? again sorry for the noob questions
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9981	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:04:00 - [76] - Quote why can't N3 members read bylines???? Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Spurty V0LTA Triumvirate. 1178	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:10:00 - [77] - Quote Posting in "Goon white knights, ASSEMBLE" thread #99 GûÇGûêGûÇ GûêGûÇGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûêGûÇGûê GûêGûæGûê GûæGûêGûæ GûêGûÇGûä GûæGûêGûæ-á-á-á-á-á GûêGûÇGûê GûêGûÇGûä GûêGûæGûêGûæGûê GûÇGûêGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûÇGûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇ GûÇGûæGûÇGûæGûÇ GûæGûÇGûæ
Wesley Otsdarva Asuratech Industrial Corp Brothers Of The Dark Sun 5	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:22:00 - [78] - Quote Remove drone assist. And then slowcats will have to adapt, no more insanely fast trigger ship. Or the ability to just assist drones and go AFK. slowcats aren't OP, Drone Assist is. I don't see any good thing coming out of a mechanic that allows you go afk and win. If slowcats had to deal with their slow lock speed. Then its all good.
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1039	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:23:00 - [79] - Quote GSF CEO UPDATE: SPACE COMMUNISM GONE WILD Detailed how awesome carriers was and how every goon should have one for free... That was a year ago, and now the same people want them nerfed, what changed? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 684	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:29:00 - [80] - Quote Andski wrote: Aiwha wrote: http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past. Hilmar Keller wrote that article and he's in your coalition, gg And your editors approved of it. That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit. DROP YOUR SUPERS. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8250	Posted - 2014.01.10 02:34:00 - [81] - Quote Aiwha wrote: Andski wrote: Aiwha wrote: http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past. Hilmar Keller wrote that article and he's in your coalition, gg And your editors approved of it. Allowing an article to be published does not mean they agree with it. Aiwha wrote: That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit. I don't see any arguments regarding balance in the CEO update. If anything his (and the other relevant directors') willingness to subsidize a carrier for anyone who could fly one should have been an indication that something was a little off whack. In any case GSF never used them often enough to continue the program. Aiwha wrote: DROP YOUR SUPERS. Drop your pretense. My EVE Videos
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9983	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:10:00 - [82] - Quote Aiwha wrote: And your editors approved of it. That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit. They approve anything that is relevant to the readership's interests. Your point? I'm sorry that your coalition's viewpoint is poorly represented on TMC but maybe you should focus on recruiting literate players and not just whoever has a supercapital and a pulse Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
Thead Enco Killing is Business Get Off My Lawn 39	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:14:00 - [83] - Quote Andski wrote: Aiwha wrote: And your editors approved of it. That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit. They approve anything that is relevant to the readership's interests. Your point? I'm sorry that your coalition's viewpoint is poorly represented on TMC but maybe you should focus on recruiting literate players and not just whoever has a supercapital and a pulse
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8250	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:19:00 - [84] - Quote Maybe they should write for TMC. My EVE Videos
stoicfaux 3805	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:42:00 - [85] - Quote Mostlyharmlesss wrote: Please, someone tell me why this article is incorrect. 2 pages and a bunch of grr-goons but not a single argument to prove the article wrong. It's not that the article is wrong, it's that it is a thinly veiled attempt to nerf slowcats given the inability to counter them. And it's not about whether drone assist is imbalanced or too easily abused, it's about how CCP is going to rectify the situation without appearing to play favorites and without screwing over players who are relying on, and have heavily invested in a valid game mechanic. It should be interesting to see how CCP handles the situation. WASABI: -áWarp Speed Module
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1039	Posted - 2014.01.10 03:56:00 - [86] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't see any arguments regarding balance in the CEO update. If anything his (and the other relevant directors') willingness to subsidize a carrier for anyone who could fly one should have been an indication that something was a little off whack. In any case GSF never used them often enough to continue the program. So the goon carrier program failed, while others managed to build the op carrier fleet your tried to build... so now you want carriers nerfed, it makes sense. I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8250	Posted - 2014.01.10 04:01:00 - [87] - Quote dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: I don't see any arguments regarding balance in the CEO update. If anything his (and the other relevant directors') willingness to subsidize a carrier for anyone who could fly one should have been an indication that something was a little off whack. In any case GSF never used them often enough to continue the program. So the goon carrier program failed, while others managed to build the op carrier fleet your tried to build... so now you want carriers nerfed, it makes sense. Who said it failed? The point is we're not a scrub alliance that can't see any way of winning that doesn't include carriers. We didn't use them that much because ultimately we didn't really need them. My EVE Videos
Priestess Lin Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.01.10 04:02:00 - [88] - Quote So, I guess what we can conclude from all these calls for archon nerfs is that goons are losing, yes?
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8250	Posted - 2014.01.10 04:06:00 - [89] - Quote I guess what we can conclude is that Priestess Lin has nothing interesting to say. My EVE Videos
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2051	Posted - 2014.01.10 04:08:00 - [90] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: I guess what we can conclude is that NPC forum alts have nothing interesting to say. Well, I wouldn't go that far. But if someone is trying to say that the Archon focused drone assist tactics used by N3 are not overpowered/broken/mechanic abuse, crowing over the invincibility of said tactic is not a choice I would have made. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á

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