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baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9768	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:23:00 - [211] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Speaking of bombers, have you tried actually killing the stationary sentries? They simply recall them and the handfull that die are replaced from the bay containing thousands more. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8264	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:24:00 - [212] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Speaking of bombers, have you tried actually killing the stationary sentries? It would require an unfeasibly large number of bombers and a very large amount of time under 10% tidi to kill all of a carrier's sentries. Grath Telkin wrote: I will tear your boot fleets limb from limb, this is me, literally daring you. Again, if you think they're so invincible, put them on the field and let me show you exactly how wrong you are. With what? Titans? Who else but you and your coalition would stand any chance? That's kind of only reinforcing my point. Grath Telkin wrote: So is drone assign, if you can't see how fleet warping and anchoring helps your fleet members not die and avoid crappy situations through the actions of one singular player then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, and by that I mean agree that you are a selfish dude who only wnats things in game that benefit him and his friends. You assign drones once and you can shoot anything in control range as long as the drone anchor is still alive. You have to align every time before fleetwarps or you risk getting left behind and killed. My EVE Videos
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9768	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:24:00 - [213] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Hmm smaller (compared to CFC fleets anyway) groups of slowcats seem to be doing well enought against your offensive war atm. Why would anyone want to remove that? Wait until someone tries to attack us, then we'll laugh at the irony when they can't defeat our massive boot fleets. I will tear your boot fleets limb from limb, this is me, literally daring you. Again, if you think they're so invincible, put them on the field and let me show you exactly how wrong you are. We look forwards to your subcap fleets attacking our cyno jammed systems. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Academy The ROC 2058	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:24:00 - [214] - Quote Quote: So is drone assign, if you can't see how fleet warping and anchoring helps your fleet members not die and avoid crappy situations through the actions of one singular player then I guess we'll have to agree to disagree, and by that I mean agree that you are a selfish dude who only wnats things in game that benefit him and his friends. Nice try, but I'm not a Goon. As for the rest, James put it fairly well. Fleet Command mechanics lower every ship using it to the level of the slowest aligning, slowest warping ship(s). Drone assist, on the other hand, is used to vastly increase the lock speed of all of them by assigning them to the ship stacking targeting modules. Like I said, there is a whole order of magnitude's difference between the 2. And you know it, I suspect. But you're on the wrong side of history here, as I said earlier. You can't defend a supposed right to deal full dps without actually playing the game. It's the AFK mining of combat. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:25:00 - [215] - Quote baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Speaking of bombers, have you tried actually killing the stationary sentries? They simply recall them and the handfull that die are replaced from the bay containing thousands more. I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones?
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8264	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:26:00 - [216] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones? So what if they aren't? That's hardly central to anyone's arguments. My EVE Videos
Sentamon Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 1363	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:26:00 - [217] - Quote Can't wait for the CCP bailout. The lolz will be epic. ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:29:00 - [218] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones? So what if they aren't? That's hardly central to anyone's arguments. But then why do you guys keep repeating it, in every single thread and news article? Why the deception? Edit - Gold: knobber Jobbler wrote: Drone assist sentries is the best mechanic, log in, join fleet, deploy drones, **** off down the pub. By the time I get back its either downtime or the node collapsed. On the rare occasions where I can't go completey AFK I can have some quality world of tanks time, I'm hoping it doesn't get fixed so I can play clan wars and take sov. Its easier than orbiting and pressing F1. Perfect.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8264	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:32:00 - [219] - Quote Because it's still a good point about the mechanic being stupid. You can fight without being there. What an awesome game. My EVE Videos
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9768	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:32:00 - [220] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones? So what if they aren't? That's hardly central to anyone's arguments. But then why do you guys keep repeating it, in every single thread and news article? Why the deception? Edit - Gold: knobber Jobbler wrote: Drone assist sentries is the best mechanic, log in, join fleet, deploy drones, ** off down the pub. By the time I get back its either downtime or the node collapsed. On the rare occasions where I can't go completey AFK I can have some quality world of tanks time, I'm hoping it doesn't get fixed so I can play clan wars and take sov. Its easier than orbiting and pressing F1. Perfect. I have never said this. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship**
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 858	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:33:00 - [221] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Because it's still a good point about the mechanic being stupid. You can fight without being there. What an awesome game. But you're obviously lying, as per your post 4 posts up. Why all the lies? James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: I thought all the slowcats were afk? How can someone that is afk possibly recall drones, let alone launch and assist additional flights of drones? So what if they aren't? That's hardly central to anyone's arguments.
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2113	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:34:00 - [222] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Again, if you think they're so invincible, put them on the field and let me show you exactly how wrong you are. With what? Titans? Who else but you and your coalition would stand any chance? That's kind of only reinforcing my point. .[/quote] So theres currently only 2 coalitions in game James, I'm not sure if you noticed, theres Us and Them and thats it. According to Vily you moved 900 caps into the south, which included 40+ titans, So I'm pretty sure the other coalition in EVE could do the same thing we can. baltec1 wrote: I will tear your boot fleets limb from limb, this is me, literally daring you. Again, if you think they're so invincible, put them on the field and let me show you exactly how wrong you are. We look forwards to your subcap fleets attacking our cyno jammed systems.[/quote] Wait Baltec, I thought Slowcats/Boots were invincible, why would you need to only deploy them under jammers, we deploy ours all over, jammer or no, you're not scared they'd die are you? I mean it couldn't be that you're wrong and a coward at the same time is it? Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2113	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:36:00 - [223] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Because it's still a good point about the mechanic being stupid. You can fight without being there. What an awesome game. Who's doing this that you feel the need to complain about it? I mean following your logic, you could be botting so we should just ban you right? What 3rd world country do you live in that you make changes to things for what somebody might do instead of what they are doing? Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8264	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:37:00 - [224] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: So theres currently only 2 coalitions in game James, I'm not sure if you noticed, theres Us and Them and thats it. According to Vily you moved 900 caps into the south, which included 40+ titans, So I'm pretty sure the other coalition in EVE could do the same thing we can. You don't get to complain about the subcap numbers we pull and then pretend that the fact that you have more titans isn't a factor. Grath Telkin wrote: Wait Baltec, I thought Slowcats/Boots were invincible, why would you need to only deploy them under jammers, we deploy ours all over, jammer or no, you're not scared they'd die are you? I mean it couldn't be that you're wrong and a coward at the same time is it? It could be that you're a hypocrite. My EVE Videos
knobber Jobbler Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 314	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:37:00 - [225] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Grath Telkin wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Hmm smaller (compared to CFC fleets anyway) groups of slowcats seem to be doing well enought against your offensive war atm. Why would anyone want to remove that? Wait until someone tries to attack us, then we'll laugh at the irony when they can't defeat our massive boot fleets. I will tear your boot fleets limb from limb, this is me, literally daring you. Again, if you think they're so invincible, put them on the field and let me show you exactly how wrong you are. We look forwards to your subcap fleets attacking our cyno jammed systems. Play fair. Everyone knows PL subcap fleets aren't worth **** these days. Last time I saw one they were in Talwars, the only other alliance doing that was TEST.
Dave stark 4162	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:39:00 - [226] - Quote this thread is getting good. i don't have any popcorn but i do have mini toblerones. will share; i hate dark chocolate. milk and white are mine, though.
Grath Telkin Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion 2113	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:40:00 - [227] - Quote knobber Jobbler wrote: baltec1 wrote: Grath Telkin wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Hmm smaller (compared to CFC fleets anyway) groups of slowcats seem to be doing well enought against your offensive war atm. Why would anyone want to remove that? Wait until someone tries to attack us, then we'll laugh at the irony when they can't defeat our massive boot fleets. I will tear your boot fleets limb from limb, this is me, literally daring you. Again, if you think they're so invincible, put them on the field and let me show you exactly how wrong you are. We look forwards to your subcap fleets attacking our cyno jammed systems. Play fair. Everyone knows PL subcap fleets aren't worth **** these days. Last time I saw one they were in Talwars, the only other alliance doing that was TEST. You should have been around last night when 30 of us jumped into 120 of you and destroyed you then, I guess being afk had certain virtues when you're trying to spin a narrative Baltec says Archons are invincible, but wont deploy them if they're not under a jammer, sounds legit James says that we need to nerf drone assign because somebody might do something with them, though he admits that its not important that its not actually happening right now... Maybe you guys should huddle up a bit and try and get a working group think story together, facts seem to be getting in your way here a lot Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Aiwha Infinite Point Nulli Secunda 686	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:40:00 - [228] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: baltec1 wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: baltec1 wrote: It also means that all of the other alliances stand no chance of ever gaining any victory over either of the two superpowers. But if we removed slowcats, a smaller group would definitely stand a better chance of holding its own against the cfc's typical N+1 strategy, yes? Some chance is better than none. Hmm smaller (compared to CFC fleets anyway) groups of slowcats seem to be doing well enought against your offensive war atm. Why would anyone want to remove that? Because the CFC losing isn't fair. We're winning the war if it says so on CAOD! -á
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8264	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:41:00 - [229] - Quote ** white chocolate. That ** is disgusting. You can feed it to dogs though, since it doesn't contain theobromine. My EVE Videos
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 860	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:41:00 - [230] - Quote This thread is getting good. So, the CFC can't bomb the sentries because the AFK archons would pull their drones while being totes afks. Great narrative, bro.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 9769	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:43:00 - [231] - Quote Grath Telkin wrote: Wait Baltec, I thought Slowcats/Boots were invincible, why would you need to only deploy them under jammers, we deploy ours all over, jammer or no, you're not scared they'd die are you? I mean it couldn't be that you're wrong and a coward at the same time is it? I said they are invincible to subcap fleets. The fact that you just happen to own the largest titan/super fleet in EVE is why we do not drop our super fleet. In a war of supers we would run out first and leave our space exposed to an unstoppable invasion. The very fact that it is impossible for new alliances to build a capital fleet to challange either of our groups ever should be enough to show how broken the current situation is. Winning with subcaps is the only chance they have and you want to take that away from everyone including yourselves. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Dave stark 4162	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:44:00 - [232] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: ** white chocolate. That ** is disgusting. You can feed it to dogs though, since it doesn't contain theobromine. white chocolate, best chocolate.
Jenn aSide STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries 4279	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:45:00 - [233] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: ** white chocolate. That ** is disgusting. You can feed it to dogs though, since it doesn't contain theobromine. white chocolate, best chocolate. That's so racist!
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8265	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:47:00 - [234] - Quote Grath Telkin: disparages the N+1 subcap game. Promotes N+1 titan game. My EVE Videos
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 9985	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:47:00 - [235] - Quote oh dear are you going to headshot VFK again Twitter: @EVEAndski TheMittani.com: The premier source for news, commentary and discussion of EVE Online and other games of interest.-á
DRGaius Baltar Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 81	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:48:00 - [236] - Quote Maybe "Pizza" could provide training in bombing sentries?
dexington Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1048	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:49:00 - [237] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: Grath Telkin: disparages the N+1 subcap game. Promotes N+1 titan game. Considering the titan is the "most powerful" ship in the game, what would be the alternative? I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
PotatoOverdose Handsome Millionaire Playboys 860	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:51:00 - [238] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Winning with subcaps is the only chance they have and you want to take that away from everyone including yourselves. Tell me, when was the last time someone took and held sov from the CFC using only subcaps. Oh....never......oh dear...... baltec1 wrote: The very fact that it is impossible for new alliances to build a capital fleet to challange either of our groups ever should be enough to show how broken the current situation is. You know, you may have a point here. Maybe cap construction should be opened up more, so that everyone would have a chance for a combined arms approach to fleets. Will the CFC pursue such a change with equal vigor?
Dave Stark 4165	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:51:00 - [239] - Quote dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Grath Telkin: disparages the N+1 subcap game. Promotes N+1 titan game. Considering the titan is the "most powerful" ship in the game, what would be the alternative? a balanced game where there are options other than "more warm bodies" as the ONLY viable tactic?
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 8265	Posted - 2014.01.10 20:52:00 - [240] - Quote dexington wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: Grath Telkin: disparages the N+1 subcap game. Promotes N+1 titan game. Considering the titan is the "most powerful" ship in the game, what would be the alternative? The alternative would be properly balancing subcaps so that smaller groups have a chance to win against larger groups, also using subcaps. Of course drone assist is a big part of what's throwing off that balance. My EVE Videos

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