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Vishnej	Posted - 2006.03.21 20:06:00 - [61] Current Market Price That's all I have to say. Auction a limited number. Contribute to the Eve Wiki
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.03.21 22:37:00 - [62] Originally by: Ashis Originally by: Serenity Steele The IAC have just built a refinery outpost 5 jumps from Marginis, which adds even more weight to the need of a Factory outpost in Catch. But that's not what we are voting on - right Serenity? We are voting on the method by which the Outpost is funded. There seems to be a lot of confusion on this. Yes this is indeed true. On the issue of current market price, we broker an aweful lot of share transactions, and prices range 15-20m. The auctions on eve-online forums are not indicative of the most traded prices and volumes.
Kiyoshi Aphelion	Posted - 2006.03.22 01:25:00 - [63] Serenity I eve mailed you but never received a response. I was just wondering if the vote should succeed where could a potential ISS investor purchase the shares from? Flame me Baby.
static zero	Posted - 2006.03.22 03:15:00 - [64] I voted yes, because I suddenly realized this is a game, I want to see access to 0.0 expanded, and I believe my shares will not be diluted too terribly much. I wonder if I can add Providence shares to my IRA.. -static zero
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:22:00 - [65] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 22/03/2006 16:22:44 Originally by: Kiyoshi Aphelion Serenity I eve mailed you but never received a response. I was just wondering if the vote should succeed where could a potential ISS investor purchase the shares from? Should the vote succeed, the method of buying will be announced on www.eve-iss.com news page and to existing shareholders via dummy corporate vote. This is to stop attempts at 'pre-buying' shares. :) sigh If only we had a real stock market .. hint hint CCP
Fraps	Posted - 2006.03.22 22:37:00 - [66] if the vote goes through will there be a min. purchase order? or can we buy in any amounts?
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.23 08:46:00 - [67] I've not voted yet, because I'm still thinkin' :). As far as I'm concerned: Factory outpost: Yes. Extension of Marganis corp: Yes. Share issue remains the thing I'm stumbling on. On one hand, I'd like the opportunity to invest more. On the other, I think a larger spread of investors is a positive thing, which will benefit the project (and therefore the share holders) more in the longer term. The other is issuing value - I'm less worried there, because I think in the mid-long term this extension will improve my dividend. I've been to Marganis, and the factories run flat out. Minerals you can source, especially if there's a refinery outpost in the area, but factory time is the limiting factor. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Kahn Moquil	Posted - 2006.03.23 11:14:00 - [68] ISS could always create a separate holding corp, issue 3600 shares, sell them off at 10 mil a piece. Lots of possible new investors, no risk for current Marginis share holders. To eliminate the risk of both outposts competing with eachother, you could then add up the profits from both outposts at the end of each month, and spread them evenly across shareholders in both corps. You could even consider issuing 3600 new shares and selling them at 20 mil each, and use the extra funds to set up a seperate outpost somewhere. Profits from that could for instance be used for the defense of other outposts. Anyway, not trying to be premature on the outcome of the vote, just a thought I had I figured I'd share with you.
W Floyd	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:02:00 - [69] Originally by: Aphroditi Hi. I'm involved in real stock market. So I would like to help you a bit with few ideas who can be used in the game. a) The whole approach is wrong. Serenity first had to see (ask the shareholders since we do not have a valid stock market), what their shares value is. Without question they worth more than 15m. Then when she have that share value, need to create (new shares) = (Outpost project cost) / (share value accepted by the share holders). Those new shares then need to go out to the market and people (or the share holders) will buy them. The actual value of the shares is the same for the new and the old share holders and none will have a reason not to be happy. b) By voting no right now, the only people who lose are the existing share holders. Why? because the 2nd outpost will start making profit against their own interest. And ofc they will be 2 competitive outposts on the same area. If ISS do not operate both the outposts as equal (with competition between them) and try to protect Marginis, the new company share holders will feel (and MUST be) unsafe about their investment. c) By voting yes you don't lose but since the shares value atm is higher than 15m (around 25m) then you lose 10m per share and have to wait few months again to be back on track. I believe the best for the shareholders (i'm not and I want to invest) is the a) option. None lose. ISS will have the funds to create the outpost. Shareholders will be happy for their new price of their shares and ofc the profit growth. Thank you Best suggestion so far? In any case, interresting post ^^.
Gaylord Demian	Posted - 2006.03.23 21:55:00 - [70] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=313437 cumon SS, pay the man.
Riga Mortis	Posted - 2006.03.26 13:12:00 - [71] Any news on the vote yet???
Ehrine Ashbark	Posted - 2006.03.26 13:39:00 - [72] Originally by: Kahn Moquil ISS could always create a separate holding corp, issue 3600 shares, sell them off at 10 mil a piece. Lots of possible new investors, no risk for current Marginis share holders. To eliminate the risk of both outposts competing with eachother, you could then add up the profits from both outposts at the end of each month, and spread them evenly across shareholders in both corps. You could even consider issuing 3600 new shares and selling them at 20 mil each, and use the extra funds to set up a seperate outpost somewhere. Profits from that could for instance be used for the defense of other outposts. Anyway, not trying to be premature on the outcome of the vote, just a thought I had I figured I'd share with you. Issueing 3600 more at 10 from a new corp and then profit sharing would be no different from issuing 3600 more from ISSM at 10 mill as they'll effectively be exactly the same. Said plan would also damage ISSM share value even more then selling a less at 15 mill might.
Elenin	Posted - 2006.03.26 13:59:00 - [73] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 20/03/2006 18:04:23 edit: I've just run some figures on our ship loss tracking system (posting losses is compulsory, kils are optional) - since March 1 we have destroyed approx 3 times more ISK than we have lost. I think these figures alone should answer your question with regard to the impact pirates have on us. Considering we did about 4.5Billion worth of damage to you for hardly any losses in 2 weeks thats quite impressive that you've killed that much ^^ However that was virtually all empire, so while it may have hurt iss a bit i'd be suprised if it had any noticable affect on the outpost's revenue, if anything it may have boosted it by pushing more of you out of empire into 0.0 yes iss is a yummy target full of goodies in empire, but that doesn't affect the outposts
Rawne Karrde	Posted - 2006.03.26 14:44:00 - [74] Having followed this with much interest, and again this is just my opinion, I would say that it would be paramount to ISS marginis shareholders that this outpost be included in the same corporation. From my perspective as a producer, if were to use the factory slots at the proposed amarr outpost, why should i risk my product being destroyed in transit from the production line to the market at ISS marginis I in KDF? Sure there is no market button in the station but that does not stop one from putting things up on the market currently. As long as that situation exists, I believe other producers will simply place their product up for sale at the factory outpost. This shift in revene from KDF to the proposed outpost will only hurt current marginis shares dividend. Though I have to admitt I don't have all the financial data on ISS marginis's balance sheet. The broker fee's and taxes maybe a very low % of Marginis's current revenue; the office rental fee's maybe the bigger source I don't know. But from where I'm sitting thats how i see it. Again this is just my opinion. I hold no shares in ISS projects, nor am I a member of ISS. However I do hope to be able to acquire shares in the factory outpost however it is to be built.
Kahn Moquil	Posted - 2006.03.26 15:26:00 - [75] Originally by: Ehrine Ashbark Issueing 3600 more at 10 from a new corp and then profit sharing would be no different from issuing 3600 more from ISSM at 10 mill as they'll effectively be exactly the same. Said plan would also damage ISSM share value even more then selling a less at 15 mill might. Except you would put the risk of deployment on the new investers, and not have current Marginis shareholders run the risk of getting their investment's worth halved.
Riga Mortis	Posted - 2006.03.26 15:47:00 - [76] Personnally I would like a brand new issue of shares for the 2nd outpost - this means the original share holders won't be at risk of losing isk if something happens during the deploy phase. Once built and running, then the two Outposts and shares should be brought together and all profits shares equally between both outposts. Though of course this would be best done once the 2nd outpost is making the same monies or more than the original one - thus not taking anything away from the original share holders... Any news on the vote?
Stins	Posted - 2006.03.26 16:04:00 - [77] Originally by: Riga Mortis Any news on the vote? The vote will end tonight at around 23.00 eve time. Until then, even the ISS management has no clue on how many people voted yes or no.
Logan Williams	Posted - 2006.03.26 19:26:00 - [78] Honestly, the best thing that ISS could do is to offer a buyback of all outstanding shares. Once the shares are gone, offer 7200 shares at 10 mil like they did before (except the amoung of shares). The old margins holders get first dibs on the new shares. The remaining shares are then sold, like before, for 10 million each on the open market. This is the best "Fair and equitable way" I can think of to distribute the shares. Once all shares are sold, the profits of both outposts can be merged into one dividend.
Raid	Posted - 2006.03.26 20:31:00 - [79] Seems ISS have already deployed another outpost.. this time in tenerifis.. Do tell, is this another publicly owned outpost?
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.03.26 20:32:00 - [80] Originally by: Fraps if the vote goes through will there be a min. purchase order? or can we buy in any amounts? Yes there will be a minimum buy amount, as per all share sales. The minimum would be lifted if there was an automatic in-game mechanism for selling shares aka Stock Market.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.03.26 20:34:00 - [81] Originally by: Logan Williams Honestly, the best thing that ISS could do is to offer a buyback of all outstanding shares. Once the shares are gone, offer 7200 shares at 10 mil like they did before (except the amoung of shares). The old margins holders get first dibs on the new shares. The remaining shares are then sold, like before, for 10 million each on the open market. This is the best "Fair and equitable way" I can think of to distribute the shares. Once all shares are sold, the profits of both outposts can be merged into one dividend. Unfortunately, the labour required to achieve this is impractical and there is no in-game mechanism to tell us who the shareholders are. Would be an interesting idea otherwise :)
Velios	Posted - 2006.03.26 22:09:00 - [82] Originally by: Raid Seems ISS have already deployed another outpost.. this time in tenerifis.. Do tell, is this another publicly owned outpost? This is not a publicly owned outpost. "LV Calico" as it will be called belongs to Lotka Volterra and falls within our Tenerifis borders. Lotka Volterra contracted ISS to handle the deployment of the outpost while we persue other goals. M.Corp BPC Packages
Raid	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:04:00 - [83] Originally by: Velios Originally by: Raid Seems ISS have already deployed another outpost.. this time in tenerifis.. Do tell, is this another publicly owned outpost? This is not a publicly owned outpost. "LV Calico" as it will be called belongs to Lotka Volterra and falls within our Tenerifis borders. Lotka Volterra contracted ISS to handle the deployment of the outpost while we persue other goals. So you guys will take over ownership of the outpost im assuming.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:17:00 - [84] The vote on Extending the ISS Marginis Outpost corporation is now closed. However, the share and CEO views are both showing 0% response rate. As it is evidence from this thread that players voted, we will wait for down-time Monday 12:00 to finish and re-check. In the event that the vote remains at 0.0 after down-time, we will petition if the vote information can be recovered. In the event the petition fails we will use the a number of shareholder polls to address the idea raised in this thread before casting another share-issue vote.
Xanta	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:19:00 - [85] Originally by: Serenity Steele The vote on Extending the ISS Marginis Outpost corporation is now closed. However, the share and CEO views are both showing 0% response rate. As it is evidence from this thread that players voted, we will wait for down-time Monday 12:00 to finish and re-check. In the event that the vote remains at 0.0 after down-time, we will petition if the vote information can be recovered. In the event the petition fails we will use the a number of shareholder polls to address the idea raised in this thread before casting another share-issue vote. ;s
Stins	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:33:00 - [86] Edited by: Stins on 26/03/2006 23:34:22 Numbers on the outcome now show correct, at least in my wallet
Xanta	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:43:00 - [87] Originally by: Stins Edited by: Stins on 26/03/2006 23:34:22 Numbers on the outcome now show correct, at least in my wallet sooo what is it ;o oh and is just me or did this thread lose its title :o
Stins	Posted - 2006.03.26 23:51:00 - [88] Edited by: Stins on 26/03/2006 23:52:13 according to my wallet, an impressive 91,3% voted to create new shares for the marginis outpost corp.
Rusom Rokath	Posted - 2006.03.27 00:14:00 - [89] Originally by: Stins Edited by: Stins on 26/03/2006 23:52:13 according to my wallet, an impressive 91,3% voted to create new shares for the marginis outpost corp. My wallet confirms that. Good luck with setting up the new outpost.
Serenity Steele	Posted - 2006.03.27 01:09:00 - [90] Edited by: Serenity Steele on 27/03/2006 01:16:16 Edit: Fixed typo. The vote put forth by the Marginis management team for issuing more shares to finance an expansion of the Marginis outpost with a factory outpost has been approved by the shareholders with a resounding 91.3% Yes Vote The shares will be sold beginning 29th March 20:00 eve-time and the payment method announced at that time on both the ISS Web site and directly to shareholders. Please note that any isk transferred to the ISS before the official start time, will be returned to the owners, and the owners will be barred from investing in this project expansion.

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