Stop flying hips worth billions of ISK to complete MISSIONS, and you'll be fine.

Suicide ganking? Good old fasioned suicide ganking? No agression mechanic shenanigans, no MTA stuff, literally just suicide ganking?


Stop flying hips worth billions of ISK to complete MISSIONS, and you'll be fine.

Is not a very balanced thing to be able to destroy ships who worth billions using ships who worth less than 500k isk, suicide ganking in hisec...
Is so huge profitable that is obvious a broken and unbalanced game mechanic. Just my personal opinion.
And actually is so cheap to suicide gang battleships in hi sec that you can make profit even killing cheap fitted ones, or you can just kill a lot of faction battleships to grief players and get a lot of nice and easy kills on kill board...

Stop flying hips worth billions of ISK to complete MISSIONS, and you'll be fine.

They kill just to many, to expensive ships to fast and to easy.
Is game breaking to kill so many expensive ships so easy and is very unbalanced to make tens of billions of isk every day without any risk, as long you can use 500k isk ships to kill ships who worth many billions...
Also a big problem is the new broken pro-piracy feature, who provide suicide gankers with a way to instant fix their security status. That make things much worse because they make a lot of money and can afford to buy insignias and fix their security status, then keep going killing at infinitum without becoming flashy.
And that was not the game mechanic in the past. People thought twice before going -10...
Now, thanks to CCP stupid way of boosting piracy, is not a single backslash to massacre lots of people in hi sec, as long you make a lot of money from that and you can pay to get your security status restored.

Zero risk, hundred of billions destroyed in days, tens of billions profit in days... that is broken game mechanic.

Gankers can just kill faction ships who worth a lot even t2 fitted because they don't risk anything in the process, and is cool to have tens of expensive ships kills on killboard just using cheap destroyers...
Also main problem is that is no backslash anymore for suicide ganking unlimited number of ships in hisec, because security status is not anymore a limited resource, period.

If you're so worried about faction ships, the answer is simple.

DON'T FLY ONE.

You can easily complete any highsec mission in any t1 battleship with a T2 fit.

That is a silly and partial solution for the problem. Don't forget the huge proportion of the practice of suicide gankink mining barges because gankers can get instant back the security status... you also suggest that all miners to fly from now ventures or maybe noob ships?

How is mission ganking a broken mechanic if it is working as intended?

From the moment when gankers was able to get their security status back for isk, suicide ganking not worked anymore as "intended", because now can be done at infinitum without any backslash.
The negative consequences of losing security status and access to high sec prevented in the past the suicide gangs to get such high numbers and kill without any obstruction. Now nothing can stop them getting lots of members and kills...

From the moment when gankers was able to get their security status back for isk, suicide ganking not worked anymore as "intended", because now can be done at infinitum without any backslash.
The negative consequences of losing security status and access to high sec prevented in the past the suicide gangs to get such high numbers and so many kills without any obstruction. Now nothing can stop them getting lots of members and kills...

Nullsec is always an option you know... The money is better, and the systems are safer than 1.0 systems...

Whereas before, the gankers would have needed to go to low or nullsec and fly loops around a few systems for an hour or two a week to keep their sec status up, thereby actually EARNING money while improving sec status, rather than spending it...

True, but that is not a realistic solution for all people. Also high security is supposedly called that way because is meant to be home for people who don't want to be shot at any moment without real consequences like in 0.0 ...

That's because armed people make for polite discourse. Frontiers typically have more ridged law enforcement than densely populated civil areas. Everyone is polite to their friendly neighbors because you want help when its needed, and you go to their rescue too, tit-for-tat. Less rules, more enforcement.

In civilized areas, insurance will cover you, and "the law" gives you a psychological security blanket. A lot more rules, also more bureaucratic loopholes, and complete apathy from your neighbors.

Eve is such a close model to the real world that it is scary sometimes.

That's because armed people make for polite discourse. Frontiers typically have more ridged law enforcement than densely populated civil areas. Everyone is polite to their friendly neighbors because you want help when its needed, and you go to their rescue too, tit-for-tat. Less rules, more enforcement.

In civilized areas, insurance will cover you, and "the law" gives you a psychological security blanket. A lot more rules, also more bureaucratic loopholes, and complete apathy from your neighbors.

Eve is such a close model to the real world that it is scary sometimes.

True, but that is not a realistic solution for all people. Also high security is supposedly called that way because is meant to be home for people who don't want to be shot at any moment without real consequences like in 0.0 ...

Two hours to recover security status lost for tens of ships suicide ganked in high sec?
I did ratting for sec status and believe that was a pain in the a.. to just get 1 point back... and a lot of hours of grinding is not a pleasant activity for the ones who hate doing PVE...
And believe me, that made all people think twice before thrashing characters security status and become unable to fly in high security systems...
Now that is not a problem anymore, you don't need many weeks of ratting to get from -10 to 0 security status like before, you need just some isk. And that is what boost a lot suicide gang activity.

And anyway, you don't actually need to worry about your sec status at all if you know what you're doing. That guy you linked certainly seems to be a part of an organised ganking group, they'll be perfectly able to do it without bothering about sec status.

Gankers can just kill faction ships who worth a lot even t2 fitted because they don't risk anything in the process, and is cool to have tens of expensive ships kills on killboard just using cheap destroyers...
Also main problem is that is no backslash anymore for suicide ganking unlimited number of ships in hisec, because security status is not anymore a limited resource, period.

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And did anyone look closely at that KB? Some of those pretty pimp ships were being flown by pilots under an ACTIVE WARDEC.

Darwin's law is still true.

Darwin's law is still true.

And you ignore again main reasons of security status loss... Is not meant to prevent suicide attacks (still make gankers work a lot more complicate),

but to prevent people to security trash their characters and become unable to travel in high sec in something else than a shuttle or a cheap frigate...

That was a very strong reason to prevent people to use precious old character that way... They used in exchange throw away chars... Even in character bazaar high security status was an important asset for a character. Now that is not anymore the case!

True, but that is not a realistic solution for all people. Also high security is supposedly called that way because is meant to be home for people who don't want to be shot at any moment without real consequences like in 0.0 ...

I believe this is correct, High sec is for people who dont want to get shot at without their attacker suffering some sort of consequences.

Those consequences are the loss of their ship and any insurance that ship had.

Now I understand that you think those consequences arent enough, but you have yet to make a suggestion to change them. BTW as a non-ganker, I think those consequences are enough. Nobody should ever be 100% safe in New Eden unless docked or logged off, and TBH i believe docking shouldnt even be safe in 0.0 which is why I would like stations in 0.0 to be destructible.

So, the guys who lose sec status, their ship and their insurance, and if they do it enough can be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, don't face a speck of risk.

What they lose, a 800k destroyer when kill a ship who worth 1000-2000 times more? Insurance for destroyers?!?!?!? You are a free time clown or what?

What they lose, a 800k destroyer when kill a ship who worth 1000-2000 times more? Insurance for destroyers?!?!?!? You are a free time clown or what?

Is not, and you are the proof. All that ships are killed in same area by same gankers, not by war targets.

This ones are for profit too or just for tears?
https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98185728/kills/
When enough low skill players with a bit of leadership will do this "en masse" you will see that will become a very serious game play problem. Only reason for what you still don't see it like a broken game mechanic, is that are still not many players who know how funny and easy is to kill very expensive ships at almost no cost (in isk or security status).
To be honest i think very serious to get few friends in destroyers, pay for their security status tags and go ruin the day to all people who i do not like
Think, for example, about when some multi-boxers will see that kills on killboard and begin to decimate ships in high sec for money or just for fun and tears... and they will not even need to get 10 friends in fleet to do that job...

What are the consequences when gankers lose just some dirty cheap destroyers and kill ships who worth billion, getting loot who make them rich? Also the security status loss consequence was also removed by pirate lovers from CCP. That will come back and hit now in the head when the suicide ganking will begin to get epic proportion.

That gankers make tens of billions every day suicide ganking in destroyers, and that is a isk print machine at zero risk cost who need to be stopped.

So again I ask what change are you proposing that will make you happy?

First of all making security tags much more scarce, so making them much more expensive will be a very, very good start.

Second, concord time response is obvious to long when you deal with big destroyers fleets, so one balanced solution can be that concord to arrive faster when attackers numbers are bigger.

Is a good start to stop the massacre in a way who not break the game mechanics?

Concord's response time is adequate.

Explain why it should be impossible to gank a pimpfit ship.

Now explain why a ship should be invulnerable purely because it's expensive.

were is the proof for your baseless statement?
No, it's not adequate at all, and here is the proof:

https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98185728/kills/

and this, 2000 billions of damage made with destroyers in high sec:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX


Is so huge unbalanced to be able to do more damage in high sec with a destroyer in few weeks than super-capitals pilots do in years of combat in 0.0...

Next killmail is from a very experienced pilot who pvp most of the time and FC in low sec and 0.0 in many fleets, participated in EVE Tournament as FC for Obsidian Front team, so have much more combat experience than many of EFT warriors who come and post here a lot of nonsense about tanking big fleets of destroyers in PVE ships.
He lost yesterday his machariel to same gang of destroyers:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21505287

He is not knowing how to fit a ship, to use a d-scan or survive attacks? No, is just no way as a pilot to prevent what become a big plaque of high sec area.

Not that I agree too much with the OP, but ganking should have a consequence imo. If the consequence is completely non existent, something is wrong.

Imho, you shouldn't be able to:

- gank a player
- loot his stuff
- sell the stuff
- buy sec-status back
- still having profit

That's no consequence at all imho. That's pretty laughable to the point that average mission-runners have 10 times more consequences than gankers do. After all, they do get consequences for shooting stuff in missions (standing-loss), while gankers have a get out of jail card, which is paid by the victim..

Or do you seriously feel that buying sec-tags and moving them to a proper concord-station is an appropriate consequence? 5 minutes of flight-time in a cov-ops to make up for all the consequence? Really?


I don't think so.

Same is true for ganking frighters. Just that the issue is not the ganking, it's the out of jail card gankers can obtain.

Would you rather they had to go spend a couple of hours ratting instead? (And why do you insist on ignoring the multiple posts in this thread pointing out that the gankers don't always CARE about thier sec status? How do you know every ganker in EVE goes and buys tags for sec status?)

ANd how is being able to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, not a consequence?

Exactly.

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX

That is not profitable suicide ganking, that is an insane printing isk machine. 2000 bilions isk killed using just dirty cheap destroyers? In few weeks? And you see nothing wrong?

Would you rather they had to go spend a couple of hours ratting instead? (And why do you insist on ignoring the multiple posts in this thread pointing out that the gankers don't always CARE about thier sec status? How do you know every ganker in EVE goes and buys tags for sec status?)

ANd how is being able to be shot by anyone, anywhere, anytime, not a consequence?

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=FauztX

That is not profitable suicide ganking, that is an insane printing isk machine. 2000 bilions isk killed using just dirty cheap destroyers? In few weeks? And you see nothing wrong?

How is it a consequence if it takes you 5 minutes to get rid of it? Just because some people do not use it doesn't mean it's balanced to have such an option to begin with.

And beeing able to be shot by anyone is hardly a consequence if you can make it stop at any time. The only real consequence is the kill-right, which is laughable if you lose something that is covered by the profit you made earlier.

Gankers can just kill faction ships who worth a lot even t2 fitted because they don't risk anything in the process, and is cool to have tens of expensive ships kills on killboard just using cheap destroyers...
Also main problem is that is no backslash anymore for suicide ganking unlimited number of ships in hisec, because security status is not anymore a limited resource, period.

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Funny i ran SoE missions before the patch in a BS. i saw many many nado and catalyst gangs and felt very very safe.
The people that ran those missions in blinged out faction ships with all those gankers around deserved to lose their stuff.
You really can't expect CCP to fix stupid.

1. Is my ship profitable to gank?
2. Do gankers often frequent this area?

If you answered yes to both those and still went ahead anyway whose fault is it?
not the gankers and not CCP would be my answer

To not fly anymore mining barges and use only ventures? Your vision is so narrow that provoke me an acute sensation of claustrophobia...

tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk. That means a 20M maybe 30M fleet can destroy a 200M hull without big consequences. I dont talk about the fitting just about the hull, and thats where i think concord should lay a fine on them for the difference which automatically gets substracted and if the char cant pay it will either take it from another char on that account or put them in the red. But if that hulk would be fitted with a pith a-type medium shield booster that wouldnt be added to the CONCORD fine and the gankers could still make money out of their "profession".

EDIT:

That doesnt mean so that u can replace it :P

tbh i think abit like the op even if he should be trolling. But nothing against suicide ganking to make a profit. The thing i have a problem with is that 7 catalysts can take down 1 good tanked hulk.

Why not? The Hulk is the Exhumer with the lowest EHP, if you are in a situation where you must rely on others to protect you, you'd be better off in a Skiff - which can easily tank 7 catalysts.

im not a miner just to make sure. ^^ But rly why should i ever use a skiff in hs only because there might be some griefers who think just let us screw somebody over.

Ok maybe a solo miner in a mackinaw would be the same maybe 8 cats to make sure it rly dies. My trouble is just the imbalance when the gankers destroy a expensive hull just for **** and giggles and lose nothing and have nothing to gain from it too.

Let me get this straight: Shooting spaceships is now griefing? And of course you would use a Skiff when there are gankers active in the system you mine in - or you use any of the multiple other options to prevent ganking. (Mining aligned, having friends to rep you, griffin/blackbird alts etc)



Maybe they are industrialists that want to mine in the system without others "stealing" their ore. Or they produce exhumers and want to sell more. Who are you to decide that their way of playing the game is wrong? Surely if they don't gain anything from it they will run out of ISK and stop those unprofitable actions.

I have to agree, its become rediculous.

Iv played for 6 years, iv seen over 100 people stop playing because of this unbalanced deal with ganking.

I dont mind ganks its a part of the game, but at least people should have a chance to defend them self and put up a fight before getting slaughtered by 100m detroyers killing your 2b isk mission ship, or you hard earned freighters.

I lost my Mach last night no big deal, but 15 Trashers took 2 sec to burn down the mach, i didnt even manage to lock any of them up before i was dead, with all hardners overheated.

If i took at BS to low sec, not even faction fitted, at least i get a fight if i meet a dessy gang and last 2-3 min before dieing in flames.

Those 100 people people iv seen stop playing, put ALOT of time and effort into fitting their mission ships, their type of game play. They have over the years dragged alot of new people into the game. Now those 100 people will only talk negative about EVE, and i rather see new people joining than anything else.

Your lossmail was linked earlier. You had 85k EHP and a gaping EM hole in that fit, it really wouldn't have been hard to kill you. If you took that BS to lowsec, you'd have died even faster. Maybe you should have refit to something with an actual tank?


On top of that, a maelstrom costing 300 million would do the job of your 1.7 billion isk machariel, it'd tank better and do all of 40 less DPS. Was your ship worth the extra 1.4 billion ISK over a mael?


And, as not one single one of the whiners in this thread has managed to answer the question, why should the pricetag of your ship affect how easily it can or can't be killed?

Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship...

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051

Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship...

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051

Tell me how can you tank 13 tornado you genius, no matter how you fit your ship...

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21508051

First of all making security tags much more scarce, so making them much more expensive will be a very, very good start.

Second, concord time response is obvious to long when you deal with big destroyers fleets, so one balanced solution can be that concord to arrive faster when attackers numbers are bigger.

Is a good start to stop the massacre in a way who not break the game mechanics?

One of the most important skills to learn in EVE is how to stay alive. This thread is all from someone who doesn't want to learn that.

The underlying premace of EVE is that the place is not nice. "High sec" is hardly secure, it's everything CONCORD can do to keep it from devolving into open warfare. I mean, what government sanctions companies waging legal war against the others?

One of the most important skills to learn in EVE is how to stay alive. This thread is all from someone who doesn't want to learn that.

i never said anything against that. I just think that there should be a better balance as punishment. That excludes the fitting or the cargohold and only includes the hull. CONCORD is practically Police and extract an extra fine afterwards. But Concord should always exclude fitting or freight.

Suicide gankers are like terrorists lol

Go for high collateral damage on as many unsuspecting rich "nonbelievers" (non believers in highsec ganking)

Now for this we need checkpoints, "green zones", counter terrorism units, and a special concord spy agency (CSA)
Would be a fun counter to it, that would expound on what exists already, i think lol

This guys effective do a genocide between people who do missions, i bet at this rate CCP will must do something to not lose a lot of subscribers.
Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.
They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44
Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...

21(twenty one) of faction battleships, marauders and t3 killed just yesterday by just one group of suicide gankers:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=JIis#13896063296951&if_height=170

At this rate of killings, you will get rid of carebears from high sec, and taking in the account the massacre who happens to miners too, i am sure that CCP will gone lose a lot subscribers in close future...

PS: The question is who will buy all that expensive modules that "brave" players who live in 0.0 like to farm and sell to "carebears" if they can get exterminated just because use them...

Edit: is so cheap to use destroyers that they begin to gang even t1 batttleships with t2 fittings: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21510881

Soo, the bears have moved from crying about ganking miners to ganking mission runners... pathetic


Here are some tips to remember:
1) You are not playing a SINGLE PERSON GAME
2) You are never "SAFE" in eve
3) There is this cool little feature, d-scan, use it and pay attention (hint, when you see 20 dessies coming at you, GTFO)
4) Don't fly expensive ships or glass cannon mission runners
5) Have I mentioned d-scan
6) Get more tank (just like miners have learned why its bad to fly yield fit rets).
7) Don't sit at the warp in at 0 m/s (total fail)
8) Get more tank
9) Have I mentioned D-scan??
10) Get more tank


Try to comprehend that you are playing a sandbox game with very little rules, as it should be, and you are also not playing by yourself (hence: MMO) . Remove you head from your rectum cavities and pay attention while you are in game.

You are allowed to play in your own little world when you log in, just don't be surprised when someone comes along and pisses on your parade.

Since the question remains UNANSWERED, let me ask again:


Why should 1 person in a shiny ship be unkillable by 10+?




What justification do you have for this?



If you really want to move 20B in a freighter, WHY are you not bringing your corp mates to fly Logistics or ECM as escort? Why should 10 people NOT be able to kill you? Eve is not designed for 1 person to just Lol their way through high sec no risk. Bring friends, travel in convoy's, PAY merc's to escort you. Don't expect 1 person to just 0 ducks their way through High sec and be completely invulnerable. Take precaution.

I don think th eproblem is beign killable.


I think the only issue is how easy is now for you to recover your sec status. At least in past you had to work a bit....

You know consequences ;) (you know very well that the cost of 10 catalysis is not a consequence :P )

You think? You and the other big poster on this thread have failed to even show in any way that the Tags for sec introduction had ANY effect on suicide ganking in EVE.

Nobody has even come close to showing that there has been a noticable increase in suicide ganking since the program's introduction.

This guys effective do a genocide between people who do missions, i bet at this rate CCP will must do something to not lose a lot of subscribers.
Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.
They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44
Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...

Dammit, are we really talking about 5 bil missioning ships? For real now, what do you need on your hisec boat that costs that much? I can understand faction damage mods, but where the rest of 4.7 bil goes?..

Golem as example. 1b hull (approx. production cost) + 4cn bcu units (approx. 400M) + 4cn cruise missile launcer (approx. 200M) rest should be t2 means it will be a approx. 1.65b ship. I dont understand ppl fitting their ships up to 5b. But everybody says mission ships shouldnt be so weak tanked, only way to make that reasonable means ccp has to drastically overhaul the mission system.

They are ganking marauders as cheap as your example. Is still profitable a lot of times for them

They are ganking marauders as cheap as your example. Is still profitable a lot of times for them

This guys effective do a genocide between people who do missions, i bet at this rate CCP will must do something to not lose a lot of subscribers.
Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.
They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44
Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...

and i said before that concord should fine suiciders for atleast the production cost of the hull (remember fittings would still be excempt). That would make a fine which will be equally distributed on all gankers parcipating (1b - suicided ship worth)/participants = fine. And if that fine cant be paid by that character it has either to be paid by another character on that account or he will go into the reds.

EDIT: or CCP decides to fully insure t2 hulls in hs. Which includes a passage that t2 losses are only covered in hs and when not at war.

Jsut insurance must be4 changed. Not payed when concord blew you up. And when concord blew you up and you were negative sec status.. you Pay a fine same cost as your ship platinum insurance payout.



That woudl not prevent ganking. But the level of cost of the target woudl increase a bit to be doable.

They removed the insurance payout for ships killed by CONCORD years ago.

And if you try to fine anyone, all you'll get is players storing all their ISK on their market alts.


Now, why, despite MULTIPLE people stating oiver and over again that sec status doesn't matter and a lot of gankers wear their -10 with pride, exoplain to the class why tags for sec is the cause of this.


And explain why you are complaining NOW about a mechanic that has been around for ten years.

And since a good chunk of the gang you keep posting about are actually members of nullsec groups, how do you know they aren't just ratting for sec status when they need it? it isn't hard. (hell, do you actually know all those kills are suicide ganks rather than mucking about with aggression mechanics?)

If there was not.. there would be no reason for YOU to get so upset about someone suggesting that it coudl be changed.

So.. hit a nerve.. or should I say.. revealed the truth?

There is no need to have an increase in suicide ganking. Fact is(and is a FACT) you do not need to spend time in low sec to recover your sec status. You can.. but you do not need. Before.. you needed.. no option.

Yes it was undeniable BUFF to suicide ganking. The lack of statistical evidence is not proof of anything or of the lack of something.

Show me where the bad ganker touched you. And what he did with all those shiny mods you were dumb enough to fit.

If there was not.. there would be no reason for YOU to get so upset about someone suggesting that it coudl be changed.

So.. hit a nerve.. or should I say.. revealed the truth?

There is no need to have an increase in suicide ganking. Fact is(and is a FACT) you do not need to spend time in low sec to recover your sec status. You can.. but you do not need. Before.. you needed.. no option.

Yes it was undeniable BUFF to suicide ganking. The lack of statistical evidence is not proof of anything or of the lack of something.

I do not think suicide ganking is bad. But the price is very very low nowadays. Much cheaper for example than using war dec mechanics.

You not lost your way to "Crime and Punishment" forum? We really don't need your troll posts here. Post something constructive and ideas who need more than two neurons to be produced or move on.

But this entire thread is just some guy crying about the loss of something shiny, it wasn't constructive to start with.

Not upset. Just pointing out that you are constantly claiming something without any data to back up that claim.



Wat? No nerves hit here. Only truth revealed is that maybe you trying to scream the loudest isn't enough to defend your arguments.



If thre has been no increase in suicide ganking, then it would seem that the introduction of Tags for sec had little effect on suicide ganking. If so, where exactly is the problem?



It is pretty hard to say anything is "undeniable" in the same statement as "lack of evidence"

Who guy cry about what? The thread is about the fact that a gang of 15 destroyers is able to kill over 20 missioning battleshisp and marauders everyday. Not some guy, but TWENTY players are losing ships to just one suicide gangs every day.

21 ships killed just on 12/01/14 :

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=JIis#13896908966371&if_height=170

And to stop all trolls comments about how they deserve to die because dare to fly anything than cheap battleships, you have the proof that gankers may want to kill you even if fly a cheap battleship with very cheap modules:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21510881

Edit: also please stop rattle about overheating modules, over-tanking ships, etc, because if 15-16 destroyers shoot your ship, with any tank, you will melt before can overheat anything.

Edit 2: And i not lost any ship to that gang, because i don't do missions or mining, i just noticed in local that guys who become GCC every 15-20 minutes, and that made me curious to look after them on killboards... what i found shocked me... and also made me jealous a bit, i must admit
So if CCP will let this going on i look forward to a change on my career in eve

TO be fair.. you CAN do a vargur or golem that tanks 16 destroyers. But with the cost t you will jsut attrack 30 of them :P

Who guy cry about what? The thread is about the fact that a gang of 15 destroyers is able to kill over 20 missioning battleshisp and marauders everyday. Not some guy, but TWENTY players are losing ships to just one suicide gangs every day.

21 ships killed just on 12/01/14 :

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=JIis#13896908966371&if_height=170

And to stop all trolls comments about how they deserve to die because dare to fly anything than cheap battleships, you have the proof that gankers may want to kill you even if fly a cheap battleship with very cheap modules:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21510881

Edit: also please stop rattle about overheating modules, over-tanking ships, etc, because if 15-16 destroyers shoot your ship, with any tank, you will melt before can overheat anything.

Edit 2: And i not lost any ship to that gang, because i don't do missions or mining, i just noticed in local that guys who become GCC every 15-20 minutes, and that made me curious to look after them on killboards... what i found shocked me... and also made me jealous a bit, i must admit
So if CCP will let this going on i look forward to a change on my career in eve

Who guy cry about what? The thread is about the fact that a gang of 15 destroyers is able to kill over 20 missioning battleshisp and marauders everyday.

Logic does not need evidence.

Now, explain to the class why suicide ganking is bad, without using cost as your entire argument.
And explain how tags are linked in any way to suicide ganking, since what, half a dozen gankers in this thread have told you outright that -10 is a badge of honour, and a load of other people have pointed out that sec status is not hard to increase.

But nobody has suddenly become able to do this. They've been able to do it since day one. Ten years ago. Why is it a problem now? It's been ten years and nobody has run out of victims yet.

Even tags for sec has been in for a long time now, not that anybody has any proof whatsoever that these guys are using that mechanic as opposed to any of the multitude of other ways nullsec residents can increase their sec status. Even if they are using it, the answer is simple.

Stop paying them. You bears are feeding them your officer modules, which is feeding their wallets, which can be used to buy up the tags. Or, go buy up all the tags and sell them on at a 500% markup.

lol @ thread.

How about leaving high sec to some more transparent environments like 0.0, where you mostly know who people are, who is likely going to gank you and who very likely isnt?

It's not even that hard. If you look at all of the KB the OP has posted, pretty much this ganking oubtreak is focused on Sisters of EVE mission hubs. Just go run missions for someone else.

So you felt very safe flying an ordinary raven with t2 fit, right? And people who want better ships and modules... deserve to die... just because you say so. OK. Now explain me a thing, where all deadspace modules will be sold after missioners took your advice and fly tech1 battleships with t2 fits?
A lot of null sec carebears will cry after good money who they get in present from high sec missioners. You want to destroy all the demand for expensive stuff, just because is no place safe enough to use that and everyone who use expensive modules deserve to die? Because you say so? You hate rich people or what?

For this ones what advice you have:

https://zkillboard.com/corporation/98185728/kills/

To not fly anymore mining barges and use only ventures? Your vision is so narrow that provoke me an acute sensation of claustrophobia...

always fly ships we can afford to lose (everybody does that right?).

This guys effective do a genocide between people who do missions, i bet at this rate CCP will must do something to not lose a lot of subscribers.
Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.
They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44
Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...

I think this also ties into why nobody's really fighting the New Order or anything.

Because you CAN'T fight them. Their stuff is cheap and expendable. There's nothing you can do but either pay or accept that your loss is going to be worth possibly more than their's.

"Dynamic content" or not, it'd be more interesting if people could do something about them. Right now you really can't, it seems.

Not picking on domi, just saying you can run missions with them for not much isk invested.

Then use cheap and expendable stuff yourself to fight them? Is that really so hard to grasp? No-one forces you to fight the New Order with a blingy ship.