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Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:24:00 - [1] im kind of new so just trying to get a feel for what most people are and aren't flying Ive only been playing for maybe 5 days but I'ved noticed very few people in Caldari space seem to fly: Griffins Herons seems to be all about the Kestrels, Merlins, or the Bantams a the more economical choice I bought a Heron the other day, slapped a STD missile and a 150mm rail 1 it made for a good pirate hunter
smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:28:00 - [2] In frigs there tends to emerge one or two good choices for a race, particularly due to slot configuration. Generally, the more highs the better for damage, the more mids the better for tanking / ew / tackling and the more lows the better for tanking and damage mods. Personally the only t1 frig i still fly is the rifter, since it can occasionally take on t2 frigs and win. sgb
Alyth	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:30:00 - [3] Originally by: Nova Incantus im kind of new so just trying to get a feel for what most people are and aren't flying Ive only been playing for maybe 5 days but I'ved noticed very few people in Caldari space seem to fly: Griffins Herons seems to be all about the Kestrels, Merlins, or the Bantams a the more economical choice I bought a Heron the other day, slapped a STD missile and a 150mm rail 1 it made for a good pirate hunter To the average user, a Griffon or Heron doesn't have that much to offer. Add those ships to a PvP gang though and you will be their new best friends. Not every ship is suited for day to day use and have niche roles, thats why you see less of them compared to others. Oh, and you'll never see anyone flying a Bellicose
Jon Hawkes	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:31:00 - [4] The Griffin is a very effective and affordable PvP ship if used correctly, but doesn't fair so well against NPCs, which is probably why you don't see many at the moment. Personally, I wouldn't touch the Bantam with a very long pole: The poor agility and capacitor, as well as its high mass, means that it takes ages to cross large systems. Train Minmatar frigate to level 3 and go for a Probe instead if you want a quick ship with a semi decent cargo capacity.
Nova Incantus	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:46:00 - [5] what is the viability of a Blackbird caldari crusier? I dont see many out there is it more towards the electronics than tanking end of the spectrum and thats why its underused?
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.03.22 16:58:00 - [6] blackbird has no weapons bonuses, but has nice Ewar ability which im sure makes them worth then having a HAC in your gang in some pvp.
Nathan Grey	Posted - 2006.03.22 18:34:00 - [7] Originally by: Alyth Oh, and you'll never see anyone flying a Bellicose Excuse me?! Bellies work nicely as mixed-ordinence delivery platforms... drones, guns, and missiles, it's got it all. Also seen more than a few others in space, that I didn't own. ---------------------------------- Industrialist. I build it. You buy it. You break it and buy another one. Market domination through ingue ferrogue. (I did this and could have stopped it.)
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.03.22 18:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Nathan Grey Also seen more than a few others in space, that I didn't own. me too then i realised it was an overview bug - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
Zysco	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:03:00 - [9] The only bellicose ive ever seen was flown by a goonfleet guy who i assumed didnt know better. Oh wait, actually I remember seeing another one while in atuk fighting around e02. Someone was like "OMG WARP TO ME FACTION CRUISER TACKLED COME ON GUYS GET HERE COME ON FACTION CRUISER!!!" POP "Um... thats not a faction cruiser... its a bellicose" "wtf is a bellicose?" callon > I don't like traveling much, i think its cause my father used to beat me with a globe. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=300438New vid: "we're back
Native	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:04:00 - [10] Edited by: Native on 22/03/2006 19:05:28 I have never seen an auguror in space. edit: by the way, where can one get that callon chat log

smallgreenblur	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:07:00 - [11] bellis suck, it's like the minmatar drone cruiser without the drone bonuses... sgb
Wilfan Ret'nub	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:49:00 - [12] Bellicose is Minmatar ewar cruiser. Don't laught. Please. Pretty please. It's allright, I knew you couldn't resist. Other ewar cruisers are Arbitrator, Celestis and Blackbird. Though we all know that there is really just one.
keepiru	Posted - 2006.03.22 19:59:00 - [13] The arbi might be more situational than the BB, but its considerably more effective against turret ships... shuts them down ALL the time... at least since they fixed the fixed stacking penalty :) ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:03:00 - [14] Bellicose can't do nuffing right while the Arbitrator rocks pretty much in quite a few situations. If you want a Bellicose for testing, I can build one for you. But only if you insist. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
Kiyodai	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:06:00 - [15] :) I use all the frigates and have then all geared for different jobs... But I will say I use my kestrel and merlin the mose out of them. I also have a condor that can almost do 1 km/s. I use the Caldari Destroyer for weaker rats and I have all the cruisers save one (the Moa) I'm still pretty new though so I like to tinker with all my ships configurations and stuff... I have my heron set up for EW and my griffin as a tackler. I plan on getting a hawk as soon as possible tho :) Hi from another newb :D --- "Your weapons are no match for ours! People of Mars, surrender!" "Um, this isn't Mars. This is Earth." "Earth? Earth-with-nuclear-weapons Earth?" "Yes." [long pause] "Friend!"
Arkanor	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Alyth Originally by: Nova Incantus Oh, and you'll never see anyone flying a Bellicose Saw one 3 days ago.
fmercury	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:20:00 - [17] Originally by: Nova Incantus what is the viability of a Blackbird caldari crusier? I dont see many out there is it more towards the electronics than tanking end of the spectrum and thats why its underused? yeah the blackbird is pretty underused
Hakera	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:26:00 - [18] bellicose was better when it didnt have its slots messed with imo. logistics ships are the most underused class of ships imo.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:44:00 - [19] Bellicose got hit badly with friendly fire in the missile bay changes. Someone totally forgot that it used missiles as one of the main weapons. Then there was a certain drone ship overhaul wher someone forgot to hug the Bellicose again. At least it has a target painter bonus now. --==*-- Megadon CCP wanted a well known artist and celebrity to test the new font so it's approval would be well known. They got Ray
MysticNZ	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:44:00 - [20] Most under used ships? I can only think of a couple... IE: Typhoon, most amarr crusiers other than the Maller? The nub ship? - You got pwnd by us too :P - Wrangler lol - Imaran

HippoKing	Posted - 2006.03.22 20:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Nova Incantus what is the viability of a Blackbird caldari crusier? I dont see many out there is it more towards the electronics than tanking end of the spectrum and thats why its underused? i see a hell of a lot of them... but only in PvP where it is a godsend, particulalarly in small gangs sigs of the 23/24/25 hijack just as well -eris yarrrr, i shall retake my sig -HippoKing Not a chance, our 1337 sig haXx0r sk1llz are too powerful! - Wrangler Ho-Ho-Hooooooo, Merry Saturday!11 - Immy Yo ho ho and a bottle of BReeEEEEeee.... - Jacques ARRRRRRchambault Stop spamming with "QFT" >:\|. - Teblin
keepiru	Posted - 2006.03.22 21:12:00 - [22] Mmm... the moa? :D ---------------- Official ISD cake & bree reserve thief. Barricades a speciality! Last stands on request.
R31D	Posted - 2006.03.22 21:12:00 - [23] Here's another list of useless/semi-useless ships Caldari: Heron - Condor performs better and is cheaper Griffin - No need for it's 4 mids now Merlin has them too Raptor - Crow outclasses it in every way Hawk: Harpy outclasses it in every way. Only ever used if someone wants a cheap Caldari AF Gallente: Navitas - Imicus is better for industiral type things Exequoror - Osprey/Scythe mine more and it's only ever used as a 'first cruiser' type thing really Ares - Taranis outclasses it in every way Amarr: All frigs except Crusader/Punisher - Crusader/Punisher perform better for the respective price bands Augorur - No real use, only ever used as a 'my first cruiser' Vengeance: Rubbish damage, rubbish tank. Only used if you can only fly Amarr AF and want to solo PvP in it Minmatar: Bellicose - Can do nothing useful better than any of the other Minmatar cruisers but costs more than the Scythe so is rarely used by anyone Muninn - Isn't a bad ship but the people who can fly Minmatar HACs usually opt for the Vagabond instead and so you don't see many Muninns Free bumpage for all
Beldan	Posted - 2006.03.22 21:19:00 - [24] Originally by: R31D Here's another list of useless/semi-useless ships Caldari: Hawk: Harpy outclasses it in every way. Only ever used if someone wants a cheap Caldari AF This is going to change in the future. People are already stockpiling them, and some trying to resell them for 50m a ship in anticipation of the change.
ParMizaN	Posted - 2006.03.22 21:20:00 - [25] Originally by: Nova Incantus a STD missile so thats what they call it these days? couldnt resist Phenomena of ironies, cast the litany aside How intelligible, blessed be the forgetful
Roxanna Kell	Posted - 2006.03.22 21:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Hakera bellicose was better when it didnt have its slots messed with imo. logistics ships are the most underused class of ships imo. yet, in the right hands, they could prove to be very usefull. until now i ve only seen them hang around with eagles.
Mike Yagon	Posted - 2006.03.23 15:01:00 - [27] My new account char flies an Augoror. A cruiser being able to run a Large Energy Transfer array meant I could remove all the cap rechargers on my apoc. Mission running never was this easy. :p
Sub rose	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:48:00 - [28] Originally by: ParMizaN Originally by: Nova Incantus a STD missile so thats what they call it these days? Hehe ... that made me chuckle. Btw, I'd go see a doctor about that ... or at least be more selective with who you shoot with that thing
James Lyrus	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:25:00 - [29] Originally by: R31D Here's another list of useless/semi-useless ships Caldari: Griffin - No need for it's 4 mids now Merlin has them too Hawk: Harpy outclasses it in every way. Only ever used if someone wants a cheap Caldari AF Griffin doesn't get used much, true, but with it's EW bonii and general frigateyness, it's a fairly good light EW ship. The only problem being, that the BB does it better, and by the time someone's 'discovered' EW they can probably fly cruisers anyway. Hawk is being changed, and will be worthy. -- We are recruiting We sell carriers.
Commander Nikolas	Posted - 2006.03.23 20:10:00 - [30] Wait you guys are serious? Each race has more then 2 cruisers and 2 frigs? ... (is in shock) ...

Greenbolt	Posted - 2006.03.23 20:30:00 - [31] When I was talking to my CEO about ships to setup during a wardec he handed me a bellicose that he had found unused in one of hte corp hangers and told me to see if i could set it up for something useful. I spent 4 hours working on various setups and then compared it to my Stabber or Rupture. I came to a conclusion. I want those 4 hours of my life back.
6Bagheera9	Posted - 2006.03.23 20:37:00 - [32] To be fair the Exequoror's cargo bonus makes it a great light hauler. Its much faster than an industrial and can easily carry up to 1000m3 of loot/ammo.
Foulis	Posted - 2006.03.23 20:43:00 - [33] Originally by: Nathan Grey Originally by: Alyth Oh, and you'll never see anyone flying a Bellicose Excuse me?! Bellies work nicely as mixed-ordinence delivery platforms... drones, guns, and missiles, it's got it all. Also seen more than a few others in space, that I didn't own. Belli was just fine, before they removed its range bonus and made it a TP platform. Now it sucks. It really, really does. ---- I <3 Taranis Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Cpt Placeholder	Posted - 2006.03.23 21:01:00 - [34] i heared theyre good killers many people die from laughing when they see a bellicose
Llyse	Posted - 2006.03.23 21:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Commander Nikolas Wait you guys are serious? Each race has more then 2 cruisers and 2 frigs? ... (is in shock) ... yeah Caldari have Caracal, Osprey and Blackbird =P
Bloodst0ne	Posted - 2006.03.23 21:26:00 - [36] Originally by: Hakera logistics ships are the most underused class of ships imo. /signed
Phish1	Posted - 2006.03.23 23:21:00 - [37] look, EVERY ship in eve has great potential. I am a frig pilot, and i never flew a slasher untill 3 months into the game! after i flew the slasher, i KNEW i had a cheep ass tech 2 shuttle! ever been part of a gang, and you see someone in local that you really want to gank, well just buy a griffin and throw some ECMs on it! condor is a MWD ***** that when fitted with rockets, gets none of the other races problems with tracking. all the races fast frigs have 2 turret points & 1 missile, except the condor which is reversed. point is, every ship is situational. im not going to take on a double 0.0 BS spawn in a slasher, so i pick up a rifter (I can tank the BSs, takes a loooong time to kill). I dont fly a MWD slasher, cos i miss the target allot, so i chose condor. NO ship sucks, EVERY ship has great potential given the right situation. (oh, and the bellicose does suck usually, but i did make a great AFK mission runner with it ) (passive tank and just launch drones after getting aggro on everything, only for lvl 2s tho) ----------------- ---My 2 ISK--- -----------------
Minma Biest	Posted - 2006.03.23 23:39:00 - [38] True story: I flew a slasher into enemy 0.0 territory. I had a Rifter, a cruiser, and a few other people laugh at me. A thorax literally locked me, said "LOL a slasher!" and left. The rifter took out my armor before it got bored and left me to rot. Then I killed a Vigil, and docked in safe space 2 hours later :) On flames :) -------------- On the Bellicose: That ship is GOD. GOD I tell you. I love them. If anyone has a Bellicose they don't want, just escrow it to me for free. Missles, drones, and speed. Yea, it can fit guns, but I only really mount close range guns now incase someone gets to close. And I see typhoons all the time. Bellicose has to be the rarest cruiser I see in game though.
Karx	Posted - 2006.03.23 23:58:00 - [39] Id like to add to the list: Atron Breacher Tormentor Inquisitor thats about it that werent covered already
SLIM	Posted - 2006.03.24 00:11:00 - [40] You haven't lived until you've flown a burst around 0.0 screaming "BURST" at every hostile that passes by. It unnerves them a bit.

Hllaxiu	Posted - 2006.03.24 00:14:00 - [41] Originally by: R31D Exequoror - Osprey/Scythe mine more and it's only ever used as a 'first cruiser' type thing really Exequoror fills the "1000m3 hauler that can kill an interceptor" role. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Adrian Steel	Posted - 2006.03.24 01:02:00 - [42] Edited by: Adrian Steel on 24/03/2006 01:03:11 Bellicose with QuickFit, Maxed Fitting Skills: 3x 650mm Artillery Cannon II 2x Assault Missile Launcher II Medium Shield Booster II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II 2x Target Painter II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure I Internal Force Field Array I Top Speed: 293 m/s Powergrid Left: 11.6 CPU Left: 23.0 Not too shabby in my opinion. It might even fare better with autocannons for all I know. I don't fly Matari ships afterall. Like someone said... every ship has a niche. And yes, you CAN use EW ships on agent missions. It just takes alot of skill, both from your character and from yourself. Those that neglect a certain ship by saying it's not worth anything often don't have the proper skills to pilot it to maximum potential, or they're simply not original thinkers. Often, a "lower caliber" ship in a given class requires more skills to fly optimally than the most expensive in class. You don't see too many people flying around a Scorpion with 4 425mm II's and 2 Cruise II's, engaging targets at 100 km with all weapons. You do see alot of Ravens engaging at that range with Cruise II's, however. That's due in part because of the massive skill investment required to fly a Scorpion the way it was meant to be flown, in comparison to the Raven.
Maximus Krysdam	Posted - 2006.03.24 03:28:00 - [43] Edited by: Maximus Krysdam on 24/03/2006 03:28:50 Your all wrong!!!! Top 4 most underused ships in EvE. Avatar Leviathan Erebus Ragnarok I bet you ment ships people actualy fly (yet), well then perhaps logistics ships. Very underestimated imo, would be a great ship for missions and complex's. Probally not as much for pvp cause he'd get called primary and be toast. "...It is that in war the victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won,whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks for victory..."
Foulis	Posted - 2006.03.24 04:50:00 - [44] Originally by: Minma Biest On the Bellicose: That ship is GOD. GOD I tell you. I love them. If anyone has a Bellicose they don't want, just escrow it to me for free. Missles, drones, and speed. Yea, it can fit guns, but I only really mount close range guns now incase someone gets to close. I agree, I'm just saying that without at least 1 more missile slot removing the gun bonus nerfed a ship that didn't deserve it. ---- I <3 Taranis Cake > Pie - Imaran Originally by: CCP Hammer Boobies
Daylight Pony	Posted - 2006.03.24 05:46:00 - [45] I fly a Tormentor and I haven't seen another.
Clementina	Posted - 2006.03.24 06:37:00 - [46] There are two ways to approch this question. First, what ships are underused because the ships are worthless, and second ships that are underused because people don't how to use them. Of the first type, I have never seen the Navitas in space, ever. Not in Castor, not in Exodous, and not in Red Moon Rising. Of the Second type, The Griffon and Malus seem to be good ships, but I rarely see Griffons and I have never seen a Malus. Herons are bad for combat, but they might work as a cheep man's probe launching platform.
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.03.24 10:35:00 - [47] I've seen plenty of everything by now. I see Navitas in belts near gallente newbie systems, ditto for the tormentor in Amarr. I generally pay attention to what people around me are flyign ebcause I like to know what is considered popular, where and why. Rarest ship awards so far go to Breacher (I haven't seen a single one in some months now), Burst and Augoror. ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
Nick Parker	Posted - 2006.03.24 10:47:00 - [48] Edited by: Nick Parker on 24/03/2006 10:51:56 Originally by: Nathan Grey Originally by: Alyth Oh, and you'll never see anyone flying a Bellicose Excuse me?! Bellies work nicely as mixed-ordinence delivery platforms... drones, guns, and missiles, it's got it all. Also seen more than a few others in space, that I didn't own. Flying a Bellicose is like having *** with a Fat girl. It's cool till your friends find out Of course you give a bellicose a 60KM web range and the ability to warp while cloaked you got one nice ship. Just wish Minmatar had a better bonus than target painting. All other EWAR stops ppl from hitting you, Minnies get something that MAY make you hit harder (Maybe, from my exp the target painters make most of your shots hit weaker and your missles hit slightly harder. But only on good days) One thing, I've seen that the majority of Caldari cruisers aren't mentioned in the most useless thread. Osprey is a good solo miner, or cheap scout. Caracal is the best t1 ship at killing ceptors and frigs, and the moa makes a descent sniper and mission runner.
Twilight Moon	Posted - 2006.03.24 10:52:00 - [49] Originally by: Karx Id like to add to the list: Atron Breacher Tormentor Inquisitor Inquisitor? Have you seen its bonuses? Get 3 launchers on it, load up on ECM missiles, and go hunt Sanshas. 120 Damage a hit FTW!
Frools	Posted - 2006.03.24 11:01:00 - [50] Originally by: R31D Caldari: Hawk: Harpy outclasses it in every way. Only ever used if someone wants a cheap Caldari AF Amarr: All frigs except Crusader/Punisher - Crusader/Punisher perform better for the respective price bands not anymore, theres a reason all the hawks were bought up and put back on the market at harpy prices crucifier is awesome, sensor booster + 2 tracking disruptor II's and you're going to be a serious pain in the arse for any turret ship

Boonaki	Posted - 2006.03.24 11:22:00 - [51] Titans have to be the most underused ships in eve. Fear the Ibis of doom.
Yarek Balear	Posted - 2006.03.24 12:05:00 - [52] Cerberus, since you can't get one for under 200m these days
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.24 12:08:00 - [53] Griffin is probably one of the best frigates out there. If you dare to hop into one with your expansive clone, and invest 5 million on tech2 Stuff, you suddenly have the best frig ingame
Phish1	Posted - 2006.03.24 12:45:00 - [54] breacher is a beast, i use it very often. 3 * arbalest standards cold gas arcjet thrusters, civilian SB (dont diss it, saved my life many a time) 2 named BCU ship + modules costs 600k, i take it in 0.3 and own cruisers using speed, the civilian sheild booster is to repair the odd hit that hits me. in 3 belts i make the isk back. as my previous post stated, NO ship is crap. in fact, due to the rubbish ammount of posts on RMR minmatar frigs, tonight ill make quite a few, and cover every frig! ----------------- ---My 2 ISK--- -----------------
Ysolde Xen	Posted - 2006.03.24 21:12:00 - [55] Originally by: Phish1 breacher is a beast, i use it very often. Today I slapped some Piranha Furies onto mine. If you can fit a reasonable setup that will allow you to make good use of 2 Standard launcher IIs (use an arbalest for the 1st slot loaded with EM missiles) and 1 BCU, it's a horrible, horrible ship if you're the guy getting shot :-) ----- Just because you couldn't get a ship to do what you wanted doesn't mean it's a crap ship - it means you're a crap pilot of that ship.
Maya Rkell	Posted - 2006.03.24 21:22:00 - [56] I once got past a gatecamp because I was in a Wreath. No, I have no idea why I have a researched Wreath BPO. Looted it, i guess. Lifewire> 8000 m/s, even battleships can do this
Verizana	Posted - 2006.03.24 21:57:00 - [57] navitas \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| All our vids
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.24 22:51:00 - [58] Originally by: Verizana navitas I have a navitas BPO
Max Teranous	Posted - 2006.03.24 23:25:00 - [59] Edited by: Max Teranous on 24/03/2006 23:26:54 Originally by: Nick Parker Flying a Bellicose is like having *** with a Fat girl. It's cool till your friends find out It's so true. I once briefly considered getting one to fit as a heavy tackler for gang op's, remembering the 4 mid slots. I then considered the laughter and mocking I'd hear on ts and ditched the idea P.S. Waves to Frools! Max
Verizana	Posted - 2006.03.24 23:37:00 - [60] Originally by: Nafri Originally by: Verizana navitas I have a navitas BPO \|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\|\| All our vids



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