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Warlord2004	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:49:00 - [31] Originally by: Yeep Yes, the point you are missing is that never, since we have started fighting you, have you ever shown any wish to engage in a fair fight. Letting you into your home system where you can warp in and out on our fleets (yes, we were split between the two gates and there was no lag in system at all, props to ccp for that) at 200km with zero risk as your pilots already in system had been doing would have been a monumentally stupid move on our part. Oh... so you mean we don't fight the way you want us to fight therefore we're not playing fair.... Jeez.. get over it and adapt.. perhaps you might want to consider ways you could overcome our tactics instead of whining that we dont stand toe to toe in a boring who has the most ships slugfest
Voltron	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:53:00 - [32] Originally by: Na'Kota Well it was more like "umpteen" Battleships and a Capital ship waiting for them but yeah, you guys keep clinging to this - "Goonfleet only wins because they lag people out" defense you have going, maybe if enough of you repeat it it'll seem a little less pathetic. Show me a battle you've won where it wasn't due to numbers and son I'll stop saying it . Scout's honor...............on a sidenote I've never complained about it, you have mass #'s so use them (tbh most ppl including me would in your case), but it's silly of you to claim uberness when you consistenly engage with 5X the numbers. Granted most of your members are new, and its good that you're getting them involved the way you do, still at the moment it's numbers/lag that wins goonfleet fights (as I said, everyone has the right to defend themselves as they see fit). Volt Chuck Norris is far too over-hyped......Dan Akroyd FTW.
danneh	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:53:00 - [33] Originally by: thedragoon BTW i never got chace to say good fight for that one so GF Yea it was fun, i was suprised with no smack after everything ive read on these forums
Legomaan	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:54:00 - [34] Edited by: Legomaan on 23/03/2006 16:55:06 Edited by: Legomaan on 23/03/2006 16:54:51 Originally by: Warlord2004 Oh... so you mean we don't fight the way you want us to fight therefore we're not playing fair.... Er, you may want to ask yourself that question first, since we were there, waiting for a fight, and you complained about a "agfest frigate blob", when plenty of other corps have engaged our "frigate blobs" and managed to not cry about it. I'll take a fine, at this point I don't care.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.23 16:56:00 - [35] Again, BURN EDEN corporation has nothing to do with this. A few of those guys are ex-BE and many of them have been friends with us for a long time.
Kalashi	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:10:00 - [36] To any of the Alts posting and questioning the BS kills last night... WATCH THE VIDEO You see the Battleships go into structure. They then POP and the pod's go next. Oh... For the Goonfleet alts posting about Warp Corp. Stabs...funny how your frigates kill mails were fitting 1 Stab each
Mordocik	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:11:00 - [37] Perhaps someone from Goonfleet would care to explain what your actual objective was yesterday, as I for one don't understand. You came to PF, and closed it down by bubbling both gates and having 50+ people on each. Fine, classic system shutdown well done. You then get a carrier in ... and procede to do NOTHING for some hours while we are trying to get a fleet together to fight you. We get a fleet together which is actually LESS then 20 for most of the time and start to assess the best way to fight you. We ask if you want to let us in to fight you, after all if you were there for a fight it should be apparent that we are NOT going to jump into a double bubbled gate with >20 to fight >130 in PF. You mock us for the suggestion, thats fine, but what do you procede to do? Nothing. You sit there for another hour while a couple of us (I managed to get past your gate camp) snipe at you and lure your (I hope) worse pilots into our POS and kill ~8 or so. Now you get really bored and leave and walk into our fleet that has setup to kil your en route, note still giving you odds of well over 3:1. So explain to me what the point of locking PF down was. You did attack the POS, and you didn't want to fight us. Just a show of force? If so consider myself for one very unimpressed.
Ziyi Zhang	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:11:00 - [38] Originally by: danneh Originally by: Ohmite We have also had some battles with you, while most have been fun at the time it is dissapointing to see many of your raven pilots fitting the Burn Eden tactic of all WCS stabs across the bottom. Yes it is is a valid tactic and is effective, just a bit disspointing to see you saying how well you are doing and making out you are good PVPers which some of you certainly are but then having to resort to the lame tactics of a full rack of WCS, if you want to fight then fight not fit for retreat - Just seems abit hypocritical thats all Interdictor, and they are sheep to the slaughter ;) Except: (i) chances are the interdictor would get instapopped so could probably fire 1 bubble at best, (ii) the BS will all be moving and likely have MWD on so it would take very little time for them to get out of range of the bubble so as to be able to warp. (iii) if you didnt have enough BS present to be able to take them out very very quickly then you would require at least 3 or 4 interceptors to tackle each BS as they are loaded with stabs, in the time it would take them to get out to the BS how many do you think would get popped by precision cruise missiles or when they got there, T2 med drones? (iv) they arrive and start scrambling the BS, with more and more of them getting picked off by cruise missiles and drones all the time. (v) if you did have enough BS to be able to instapop them chances are they would not engage you in the first place. So at the end of it you hae lost an interdictor, half a dozen ceptors plus a few more of your main ships to maybe, maybe take down 1 hostile BS. Why not just to the sensible thing and refuse to engage them at all?
Zorlag	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:18:00 - [39] That is classified.
Baconjoe	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:19:00 - [40] Originally by: thedragoon Originally by: Ohmite We have also had some battles with you, while most have been fun at the time it is dissapointing to see many of your raven pilots fitting the Burn Eden tactic of all WCS stabs across the bottom. Yes it is is a valid tactic and is effective, just a bit disspointing to see you saying how well you are doing and making out you are good PVPers which some of you certainly are but then having to resort to the lame tactics of a full rack of WCS, if you want to fight then fight not fit for retreat - Just seems abit hypocritical thats all Hmmm TBH we DONT need to fit stabbs but when we are fighting the numbers we are if i call for the fleet to get out i want to make sure that they get out..... with the other stuff that i want fitted on the ships in my fleet there is simply not anything els that can be fitted in the low slots sorry to dissapoint but bringing 100 men to fight 20 IMO is far worse than anyone fitting stabbs eh? _______________________________________________ NO We are cursed men

Midgen	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:23:00 - [41] Edited by: Midgen on 23/03/2006 17:23:26 nice
Wrok	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:24:00 - [42] back when the five was atuk shinra and the rest of the original gang we had 50bs kills in 1 day...fun days they were... so 170 is sad for 2 WEEKS....
Dwayne	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:26:00 - [43] My nutz itch, and is this burning sensation normal???
Sarmaul	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Wrok back when the five was atuk shinra and the rest of the original gang we had 50bs kills in 1 day...fun days they were... so 170 is sad for 2 WEEKS.... and was that when you first began fighting together?
Cummilla	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:36:00 - [45] I boldy predict a goon fleet zergWinzzoR vs. EX-BE chilluns. You heard it hear first!
Trinity Trixx	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Ohmite We have also had some battles with you, while most have been fun at the time it is dissapointing to see many of your raven pilots fitting the Burn Eden tactic of all WCS stabs across the bottom. Yes it is is a valid tactic and is effective, just a bit disspointing to see you saying how well you are doing and making out you are good PVPers which some of you certainly are but then having to resort to the lame tactics of a full rack of WCS, if you want to fight then fight not fit for retreat - Just seems abit hypocritical thats all It's really quite simple - don't make it more complicated than it is. Let me explain it to you militarily and perhaps you'll understand. You get fired upon in battle and you're firing back. You take shots and are wounded. You fall back to let others go ahead who are not injured. You get medical treatment onsite. Patched up, you now determine you can re-enter battle. You fall in behind those who took over your spot. When they are injured, they fall back and you resume your original position. And so it continues. See? Simple really. Not lame. Simple. Get it? Good. Good fight GoonFleet. Wish I could have stayed around longer to watch, my lag (not CCP's) froze me up so badly I had to relog much to the disappointment of myself and two friends who were watching their first large engagment. Hope to do it again when my 'puter is running better! Dissappointing? -- 'Though this be madness, yet there is method in 't.' W.S. "Hamlet"
Xachar	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:46:00 - [47] Edited by: Xachar on 23/03/2006 17:47:58 Originally by: Mordocik Perhaps someone from Goonfleet would care to explain what your actual objective was yesterday, as I for one don't understand. You came to PF, and closed it down by bubbling both gates and having 50+ people on each. Fine, classic system shutdown well done. You then get a carrier in ... and procede to do NOTHING for some hours while we are trying to get a fleet together to fight you. We get a fleet together which is actually LESS then 20 for most of the time and start to assess the best way to fight you. We ask if you want to let us in to fight you, after all if you were there for a fight it should be apparent that we are NOT going to jump into a double bubbled gate with >20 to fight >130 in PF. You mock us for the suggestion, thats fine, but what do you procede to do? Nothing. You sit there for another hour while a couple of us (I managed to get past your gate camp) snipe at you and lure your (I hope) worse pilots into our POS and kill ~8 or so. Now you get really bored and leave and walk into our fleet that has setup to kil your en route, note still giving you odds of well over 3:1. So explain to me what the point of locking PF down was. You did attack the POS, and you didn't want to fight us. Just a show of force? If so consider myself for one very unimpressed. You better wish Goonfleet never does a 'Show of force', if we can get up a 100 man gang on spur of the moment, I shudder (with joy) to think how big the gang would get on a planned engagement at goon prime time. You could have killed the entire fleet and we wouldn't raise an eyebrow. That night there where over 250 people in our rudimentry corp channel, some of our best tactitians even opted out due to apathy. As to why we were in your system, that's up to the directors to answer. Of course goonfleet uses greater numbers, anyone who doesnt take every advantage they can get is a terrible pilot. Honour be damned, fill your low slots with stabs and take on people 10 to 1, I don't think you'd find mention of any armies not attempting to overwhelm with superior numbers or terrain advantage in history. All that matters is winning, not looking good while doing it. These are my own opinions and do not represent the corps own, I apologise if I offended any one in any way. It was a good fight and both sides fought well, it was good experiance for our newbies which may one day perhaps be able to rival penetrate's pod pilots blow for blow.
Nafri	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:46:00 - [48] Originally by: Wrok back when the five was atuk shinra and the rest of the original gang we had 50bs kills in 1 day...fun days they were... so 170 is sad for 2 WEEKS.... but you arent 20 people
Triest	Posted - 2006.03.23 17:47:00 - [49] The reasons for our being there, as we stated above, are currently classified. As for our engagement, it was a pretty good fight. You did a good job killing our tackling frigates and cruisers, and were positioned in such a way that our battleships weren't able to easily engage you with the interdictor bubble on the gate. Had we not let you set the stage, as it were, the battle would likely have been more in our favor. As it was, while we did have significant losses, the overall monetary losses are probably comparable between our two forces, with the exception of our t2 tempest loss which was the result of poor decisionmaking by one pilot. Your initial post is rather inflated, however. 'Constant attack' by goonfleet is probably something of an overestimate, since we've had a total of one fleet action which spanned a few hours; As for us running away, you were the ones who left the system after reinforcing, not us. Anyway, a decent fight, but I'm not sure why you feel compelled to turn it into some sort of propaganda, but I suppose that's your prerogative.
Ziyi Zhang	Posted - 2006.03.23 18:11:00 - [50] Give the public what they want - BE vs Penetrate Imagine it - fleets of stabbed out ravens warping in and out of a gate all night long - bliss

Fi T'Zeh	Posted - 2006.03.23 18:52:00 - [51] best. idea. ever. but OMG imagine the forum w***age that would follow. Might even rival the bob wh()ring division .... Real men use blasters
Grimpak	Posted - 2006.03.23 18:56:00 - [52] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh but OMG imagine the forum w*age that would follow. Might even rival the bob wh()ring division is such cataclismic event even immaginable? The bob whorum foring division is already damn big and mighty. ...it's impossible to have anything better than that ---------------- Originally by:** Abdalion Shoot him ingame if you don't like this person. If you do like him, go mine veldspar with him.
Shin Ra	Posted - 2006.03.23 18:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Ziyi Zhang Give the public what they want - BE vs Penetrate Imagine it - fleets of stabbed out ravens warping in and out of a gate all night long - bliss We are friends with them.
SATAN	Posted - 2006.03.23 19:53:00 - [54] Originally by: Ziyi Zhang Give the public what they want - BE vs Penetrate Imagine it - fleets of stabbed out ravens warping in and out of a gate all night long - bliss Unlike the rest of EVE both groups know how to fit out tacklers. And we dont bring blobs to fight a few, we actualy go out of our way to bring fewer numbers so that the enemy would engage instead of run. If such an engagement were to ever happen the only people warping out would be the ones in pods. PS. Is goonfleet a way for the sorry members of BoB/5/etc to learn how to pvp without anyone knowing its them? If so you really should stop forum whoring like em cause it really does show.
Mordocik	Posted - 2006.03.23 19:58:00 - [55] Originally by: Xachar Edited by: Xachar on 23/03/2006 17:47:58 You better wish Goonfleet never does a 'Show of force', if we can get up a 100 man gang on spur of the moment, I shudder (with joy) to think how big the gang would get on a planned engagement at goon prime time. You could have killed the entire fleet and we wouldn't raise an eyebrow. That night there where over 250 people in our rudimentry corp channel, some of our best tactitians even opted out due to apathy. As to why we were in your system, that's up to the directors to answer. Of course goonfleet uses greater numbers, anyone who doesnt take every advantage they can get is a terrible pilot. Honour be damned, fill your low slots with stabs and take on people 10 to 1, I don't think you'd find mention of any armies not attempting to overwhelm with superior numbers or terrain advantage in history. All that matters is winning, not looking good while doing it. These are my own opinions and do not represent the corps own, I apologise if I offended any one in any way. It was a good fight and both sides fought well, it was good experiance for our newbies which may one day perhaps be able to rival penetrate's pod pilots blow for blow. I'm not complaining about your numbers, but what I don't understand is that you REALLY think that we are going to engage that kind of numbers (ie > 5:1) in an unfavourable situation? Like honestly cruise around with 400 members in gang but don't expect to get any decent fights. You can bring every advantage to bear that you want but if you actually want to fight try to hide the fact a little better.
Goberth Ludwig	Posted - 2006.03.23 20:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Ziyi Zhang Give the public what they want - BE vs Penetrate Imagine it - fleets of stabbed out ravens warping in and out of a gate all night long - bliss ROFL! - Gob (my nubie attempt at a forum sig, bare with me plz :p)
thedragoon	Posted - 2006.03.24 00:36:00 - [57] Well today another Goonfleet engaged us the results as follows.. Kills 18 Frigates 6 Crusers 1 Flycatcher 1 mega Losses 1 raven 1 rifter Good fight allround After that we proceded to kill a PLAYER dredd ~Once again thanks to all the pilots involved it was funny to see goonflett smaking in MHC and then they all got podded in F67e Yarrrrrrrr fraps will follow soon.
Brisi	Posted - 2006.03.24 00:47:00 - [58] Countdown to lockage... I'd say this post reaches three and a half page before Abdalion gets in here. How about you guys?
Stahlregen	Posted - 2006.03.24 01:00:00 - [59] We have nearly a hundred times as many pilots as you, And of that five hundred are new, Just gotten their ships and are itching to go steam roll something. I cant wait to see what you post when we really do start putting 'the heat on'. "Don't worry, My friend is just admiring the shape of your skull-throne."
Azaeren	Posted - 2006.03.24 01:13:00 - [60] Ahahahaha. The first time goonfleet has seen you monkeys was last night. We were on our way back from a 4 hour op in PF-346 when a few of us were in a hurry to get home. I, being the lone tempest getting ganked, forgot to turn off autopilot as I jumped through. No biggie. Didnt get podded, not that it mattered. All the really good T2 stuff exploded except for like 3 1400s. Honestly, this was like goonfleet with frigate blobs, except these guys use battleships. I was "LOL"ing as my tempest exploded in under 5 seconds though. I should of hit my hardners as I had over 65% resists in everything. Could of lasted to 10 seconds at least. All of Goonfleets hostiles need to pay attention to this video. This will be goonfleet in a few weeks. Massive battleship gangs of 80 people :)



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