Mobile Depots have also been incredibly popular, with over 200,000 Depots deployed since RubiconGÇÖs launch.

These structures were based on completely new space structure code and were far simpler to deploy and use than any previous EVE structures.

There is now no timer to open the ESS window where the player gets to choose to Share or Take all, but both options now have separate timers on them. Share requires 30 seconds, Take all requires 210 seconds. Moving out of range while the timer is ongoing resets the timer. This prevents players from safely leaving an alt on the ESS and sharing as soon as a hostile enters local.
Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect.

hi fozzie sorry for putting this here instead of the ESS thread but I think my post got lost in the noise there...

1. Can more than one player open the ESS window and click one of the disburse buttons simultaneously?
2. If one player clicks Take All and another takes Share, do both timers start activating?
3. Does the warp disruption effect only last while the window is open?

This structure prevents anything inside its 30km radius from appearing on either DScan or Probe Scans.
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Can't be deployed within 100km of another scan inhibitor so you can overlap them but you can never use one to mask the central structure of another.

1. No, only one player at a time
2. See above
3. It lasts while you have the window open and while a timer is counting down. If you move out of range while a timer is counting down, the timer stops and is reset.

Does getting your ship blown up count as "moving out of range" or only getting podded?

honestly i believe the mobile scan inhibitor should inhibit its signature on dscan, but NOT probe scan

Can you jump through bubbles with MMJUs? As in could you have a gate bubbled, and then use the MMJU to jump to gate from 100km?

Can you jump through bubbles with MMJUs? As in could you have a gate bubbled, and then use the MMJU to jump to gate from 100km?

In the two months since Rubicon, over 245 billion isk of moon minerals have been siphoned from the mining towers of New Eden. ThatGÇÖs enough moon minerals to produce over 20,000 Interceptors!

Yes. Scramblers stop you from using it but other warp disruption effects such as bubbles do not interfere with it.
In this way it works just like the MJD module.

How much of that have been lost and didnt reach the market ?

Honestly, if you own or rent space in nullsec and aren't going to use the ESS, that just means higher values for LP for those of us who are brave enough to shoulder the risk. If you are so risk adverse that you can't handle the potential loss, then I recommend you head back to highsec where you will be swaddled and kept safe from such a horror.

Last I saw using ESS was considered goon-rodgering.

With luck SoniClover will learn from this and use F&I in future rather than feeling he knows best and getting dragged through the mud.

I'm working on that. :sun:

I really like many of these new deployables! Excellent Job CCP.


A few points I want to bring up that weren't addressed on the ESS:

1.) The ESS needs a means to inhibit it's distribution timer. I tested this last night on Sisi, and this is what I found:
I can land next to the ESS and immediately hit access and choose take all (starting the 3.5 minute timer to grab the isk-tags) or I may choose share all (starting the timer to share the loot). There are only two ways to stop me: a.) destroy my ship. b.) get me to leave the proximity of the ESS (15 km radius). It would be very nice if a mechanic existed where a player could stop this count-down. I can think of several ways to do it:

Option 1: Target the ESS. This would force those on grid to chase off anyone that's preventing the timer from counting down.
Option 2: Damage the ESS, were every the damage delivered creates a proportional extension in the delivery times. (example, +60 seconds for every 6000 damage it receives).
Option 3: Counter-access the ESS. Allow a pilot that lands next to the ESS to access it and choose "stop" to prevent the ESS from completing its timer. The means you and the other pilot would both be within 15 km's of the ESS.

Note: Ideally the ESS would name the pilot responsible for activating it (as you can't tell). And ideally the ESS would name the pilot responsible for hindering the timer from counting down.

2.) As pointed out, if someone can successfully deploy this inside the Sun, where your ship will be ejected out upon landing, this might be considered an exploit. I'll try doing this on Sisi tonight (if I can find a system where I have the sun's center bookmarked).

Why does the ESS require a 5% nerf to bounties?

Honestly, if you own or rent space in nullsec and aren't going to use the ESS, that just means higher values for LP for those of us who are brave enough to shoulder the risk. If you are so risk adverse that you can't handle the potential loss, then I recommend you head back to highsec where you will be swaddled and kept safe from such a horror.

Mobile Structures were first introduced in Rubicon 1.0. Now it's time to add to the collection! In Rubicon 1.1 there will be 5 more Mobile Structures being added to your arsenal, and CCP Fozzie has written a dev blog to tell you all about it.

Head on over here to read it.

Tell us what you think! Leave your constructive feedback in this thread.

The ESS discussion took all the attention before, so i neglected to say something about the Mobile Scan Inhibitor.

I understand trying to throw in something odd, but here is the weird decision with regard to this deployable:

When active, the Mobile Scan Inhibitor will prevent the operation of both combat probes and directional scanners by or against anything within its 30km radius. The structure itself is always visible to both probes and directional scans, and is extremely easy to pinpoint using probes.

Why make it visible at all, if it is capable of hiding everything around it? This doesn't make sense, certainly not from the users perspective. Warping towards it at range will reveal everything that is there, without the users seeing any Intel themselves. This block suggests it works by nullifying all signals in its influence sphere which should make itself also undetectable.

It is probably done to counter complains that it might otherwise be too powerful, but i disagree. From a user point of view it should stay hidden, else it would have very limited application. The most logical place to use for such a structure is as a rally point or as a way to hide your presence in WH space. The first use is severely compromised by its visibility, the second one is downright nullified.

Which essentially leaves one use left. Using it in say missions or behind bubbles as a trap of some sort to catch anyone that comes to inspect it. This makes it a deplorable bait ship and an obvious one at that....in essence rendering it useless.

If a player launches an ESS and after some ratting wants to collect. Then the very structure he deployed will scramble him?!

It makes no sense for the deployer to be scrambled by his own device. That just doesn't compute.

It's like you're walking up to your car. There's a guy lunging out at you with a knife. You have to wait 30 seconds for your car to open the door before you can jump in and race to safety.

I can see why it's done but the feature should not work like that for the pilot dropping the device. It is not reasonable to assume you'd deploy a device that would then prevent you from escaping.

Unless

you explained it as being badly designed by the corporation making the device. I want to see the hero who makes that argument.

This is what bad game design looks like.

Since the blog actually doesn't mention it outright, I have to ask: is the 5% nerf to bounties still in?

If soGǪGǪthis.

Since the blog actually doesn't mention it outright, I have to ask: is the 5% nerf to bounties still in?

If soGǪGǪthis.

How is "Share" vs "Take All" bad game design?

When active, the Mobile Scan Inhibitor will prevent the operation of both combat probes and directional scanners by or against anything within its 30km radius. The structure itself is always visible to both probes and directional scans, and is extremely easy to pinpoint using probes.

Why make it visible at all, if it is capable of hiding everything around it? This doesn't make sense, certainly not from the users perspective. Warping towards it at range will reveal everything that is there, without the users seeing any Intel themselves. This block suggests it works by nullifying all signals in its influence sphere which should make itself also undetectable.

Since the blog actually doesn't mention it outright, I have to ask: is the 5% nerf to bounties still in?

If soGǪGǪthis.

Ess , so contrived.

For example the depot. It is an awesome structure but of limited use in fleets, it doesn't scale very well. Now imagine they would make it standing based and a single depot could supply a whole fleet with ammo and fitting service... i don't think that we will ever see this since it would be OP for such a small and cheap module.

The ESS is a 5% nerf to Null Sec bounty. Call it what it is.

Is 20 seconds long enough for the payout window? Let's be honest, if you are going to steal from the ESS you are Either Neutral or Red to the locals and you will be in a inty, a covops or, a nullified t3 for easy get away.
Which makes the bubble silly and pointless. Because once you get the notice that the ESS is being paid out, 20 seconds isn't enough time to scoop drones, align, warp, land, then Target whoever. Unless you are in an Inty yourself; and I don't know many people who rat in inty's.

You would have to be a badArse Inty pilot to do 500+ dps and still tank.

2 questions.

Why can't you tell us how many siphons have been used or give more info?

Why does the ESS require a 5% nerf to bounties?

Just quoting myself here, as they have gone unanswered.

I and I guess others, would like more info on the siphons. I'm not interested in where they have been placed, but how many. What information was given, does I think indicate a rather low usage level. Which makes me wonder, if that's the reason for you to withhold information on them.

The second question is why does the ESS require a 5% nerf to bounties. Surely if you don't use them, then you don't reap those benefits. If you do, then you have risk versus reward. Which I could understand.
So why does it require the 5% nerf, for it to be implemented?

The Mobile Micro Jump Unit and Mobile Scan Inhibitor are basically useless, but that's a good thing since their original stats were game-breaking.

The Encounter Surveillance System is still garbage and should have been canned completely.

The deleted word meant - very not bright.

When active, the Mobile Scan Inhibitor will prevent the operation of both combat probes and directional scanners by or against anything within its 30km radius. The structure itself is always visible to both probes and directional scans, and is extremely easy to pinpoint using probes.

Why make it visible at all, if it is capable of hiding everything around it? This doesn't make sense, certainly not from the users perspective. Warping towards it at range will reveal everything that is there, without the users seeing any Intel themselves. This block suggests it works by nullifying all signals in its influence sphere which should make itself also undetectable.

It is probably done to counter complains that it might otherwise be too powerful, but i disagree. From a user point of view it should stay hidden, else it would have very limited application. The most logical place to use for such a structure is as a rally point or as a way to hide your presence in WH space. The first use is severely compromised by its visibility, the second one is downright nullified.

There is now no timer to open the ESS window where the player gets to choose to Share or Take all, but both options now have separate timers on them. Share requires 30 seconds, Take all requires 210 seconds. Moving out of range while the timer is ongoing resets the timer. This prevents players from safely leaving an alt on the ESS and sharing as soon as a hostile enters local.
Interacting with the ESS now puts a warp disruption effect on the ship interacting with it. Ships immune to bubbles are not immune to this effect.

What prevents someone from parking an alt next to the EES and simply scooping it when local goes +1 ?
As far as I could tell the scooping took no time and there was no way someone could catch you before you scooped it up.
Wait till local goes -1 and deploy again.
What am I missing?

Scooping doesn't save the lp/tags/isk , the rewards are stored in a "system bank" so if you scoop your ESS you are just letting the hostile deploy one and steal your isk.

While active, NPC bounty payments pay out full value, with 80% being paid directly and 20% being stored in a system-wide pool. In addition, for each 1000 bounty ISK you get 0.15 Loyalty Points, these are LPs for the empire navy based the ESS type.

[I hope you are right. When I tested this last week, it seemed to me the rewards followed the ESS and not the system. I' pretty sure I picked one up and moved systems (it's possible I'm confused about the moving part) and after re-deploying I could see the rewards still available.