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DarkAegix Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 255	Posted - 2011.11.09 00:56:00 - [1] - Quote Ships skins may be coming this winter, if the recent hints are anything to go by. The possibility that they'll be sold on the NeX store is very high. I'm going to pre-emptively attempt to stop an influx of tears when this is finally announced. I believe that there will be a lot of hate directed at this decision, simply because of a knee-jerk reaction that 'NeX is automatically bad'. Here are some idiotic arguments I expect, and rebuts for them: 'OMG I don't want to pay RL cash for ship skins! P2W! CCPfail! Unsubbing my 68 billion alts now! Will still continue posting, though!' Simply purchase a PLEX off the market using ISK, convert it to AUR and purchase your ship skin. Finally, P2W is Pay To Win. Ship skins do not make you win. 'You'll be able to buy ships outright for Aur!?!/ OUTRAGE! ANGER! DERP!' Nope. You'll need to trade in a ship and AUR in order to get a skinned version. We'd have had the Ishukone Scorpion already, but since the only way to purchase it would have been AUR->Scorp CCP decided to delay the purchase of skinned ships until the NeX store could support trade-ins or blueprint purchases. 'WTF! Barbie Nex store trash rubbish!!1 i'm not spending a single aur on rubbish barbie nex!' First off, you're not buying 'barbie dress-ups rubbish'. You're buying ship skins. You only hate the fact that ship skins are on the NeX store because you're: 1. An idiot 2. An idiot who hates Incarna so much that you want WiS removed from the game even though ship spinning is back 3. An idiot who hates the NeX store because there are some items on it you're not interested in You may be an :elitepvp: hot-dropper who despises Hulk because they're all 'pubbie noob carebears'. Do you buy off the market? Of course you do. Hulks are also on the market. Does it matter? No. The NeX store can offer a large catalogue of vanity items, many of which you can ignore if you want. 'VANITY IS STUPID WHY SPEND ISK ON SHIP SKINS!? Remove from game! I am the community! I am anger!' Then don't use ship skins. If other players (many players, at that) want a black Drake or Comet with flashing red & blue lights, then don't take it away from them. 'HELLO KITTY SKINS DETRACT FROM THE DARK DARKNESS OF EVE' There are no pink, shiny, Hello-Kitty skins. Check for yourself in the Sisi .stuff files. Furthermore, a pink ship skin for the Drake as a Christmas present would be excellent. Thank you.
Montevius Williams Eclipse Industrial Inc 72	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:04:00 - [2] - Quote Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view.
T-Jay Charante The Scope Gallente Federation 13	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:06:00 - [3] - Quote Montevius Williams wrote: Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view. The Spaceship Barbies will rage, if that's the case.
Haulin Aussie Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:07:00 - [4] - Quote another thread where somebody tells someone else they're playing their game wrong. sigh
Alyssa Yotosala School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 10	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:07:00 - [5] - Quote Hai OP! You be Trollin' I be respondin' [ ] - U mad? [x] - Can I haz your stuffz? [ ] - Troll, x/10 [ ] - Who would _____ someone with a name like _____ [ ] - WOW is that way ====> [ ] - Haters gonna hate
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 77	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:08:00 - [6] - Quote Read CCP apology for NeX & Wis "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Shivus Tao Broski Enterprises Elite Space Guild 23	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:11:00 - [7] - Quote My little pony skins where CCP? I demand a fluttershy drake.
Mortis vonShadow Balanaz Mining and Development Inc. 307	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:11:00 - [8] - Quote Haulin Aussie wrote: another thread where somebody tells someone else they're playing their game wrong. sigh Another post where the poster is telling the postee that his post is not a post at all but rather a drull post at best. Now if the poster and the postee were to post similar views of the post then said post would actually make it to a sticky post-it note. Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen. -á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á-á And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
mechtech Ice Liberation Army 61	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:15:00 - [9] - Quote The reason I don't like the NeX store is that it doesn't add any gameplay to Eve. Traders and manufacturers derive their gameplay from new items and markets that are added with expansions (examples would be T3 ships and boosters). Traders/industry players never get dedicated expansions like PVPers/PVE players do (oh wait.... Quantum Rise ). When new items and features are just plugged into the NeX store and tied to the PLEX trade, it's kind of a slap in the face to traders and manufacturers. Ship decals could be a player run service, that would be fun.
Cunane Jeran 40	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:17:00 - [10] - Quote There is absolutely nothing wrong with the new ship skins being sold via aurum, its a vanity extra, but is no way essential to gameplay. As long as the prices are reasonable (I'd suggest around the 1000 AUR mark) then there is no problem. Yes people will cry, but they are self entitled jerks. Game balance and playability we should cry out, call foul play and demand more that's why we are paying a monthly fee, and the whole reason we are here. Optional vanity extras like ship skins that have no effect on gameplay beyond looking all pretty like? At the end of the day CCP is selling a product and are after profit. If you can't afford it tough. Simple as that.

Rhinanna Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 62	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:17:00 - [11] - Quote I'm all for my little pony skins, nothing more satisfying than seeing your 425mm rounds blast into some cute unicorn's head!! Oh yeah, late to see shrink, have to go....... ;) -The sword is only as sharp as the one who wields it! Other names: Drenzul (WoT, WoW, Lineage 2, WarH, BloodBowl, BSG, SC2 and lots more)-á
Fionaa Quantum Link Company 2	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:21:00 - [12] - Quote Cunane Jeran wrote: There is absolutely nothing wrong with the new ship skins being sold via aurum, its a vanity extra, but is no way essential to gameplay. As long as the prices are reasonable (I'd suggest around the 1000 AUR mark) then there is no problem. Yes people will cry, but they are self entitled jerks. Game balance and playability we should cry out, call foul play and demand more that's why we are paying a monthly fee, and the whole reason we are here. Optional vanity extras like ship skins that have no effect on gameplay beyond looking all pretty like? At the end of the day CCP is selling a product and are after profit. If you can't afford it tough. Simple as that. Do you feel the new nebulae-¦s should be NeX too ? After all its just skins, it wont effect gameplay.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 733	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:22:00 - [13] - Quote Of course ship skins will be in the NeX store. Anybody who thinks CCP isn't doing everything they can to salvage their microtransaction superstore is a moron. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 78	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:24:00 - [14] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Of course ship skins will be in the NeX store. Anybody who thinks CCP isn't doing everything they can to salvage their microtransaction superstore is a moron. lol Okay, this sounds very probable. Jk, they would never do that, because they aren't completely *******. "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that* stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Hallorin State War Academy Caldari State 2	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:29:00 - [15] - Quote Cunane Jeran wrote: As long as the prices are reasonable (I'd suggest around the 1000 AUR mark) then there is no problem. 1000 AUR isn't reasonable at all. Not if ship skins are destructible along with the ship. If you think about it, that's a 100mil+ cost for a skin that might go on a ship worth far far less Now I know, the current nex items cost more than this. That's dumb too, but at least they are permanent in some sense. CCP should actually want to see these skins flying around. Once fully V3'ed and corp logos start to appear, CCP should WANT to see big fleet engagements with skinned and logo'ed corps. For 1000 AUR apeice, I think most will decide faction fittings are more important. Or just new ships. If these are destructible, even 100 aur may be too high. All that said, I have no problem if these are nex items. BUT, the price has to make sense. these present a nex store option that players may want to buy again and again, and that should be taken into account when deciding the prices. a repeat purchase should not cost 1000 AUR. And, skinned ships should be transferable, so if corps want to be uniform, they can provide rather than having everyone now buying AUR.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 142	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:33:00 - [16] - Quote i'll be very mad, bro. im already on the fence about resubbing after my 4.95 month is up. hybrid balancing is not on the right track, AF's are off the chart for this patch, and no word yet about FW. in addition (this is my opinion only), i think the tier 3 bc's are a bad idea as theyre going to completely phase out HACs, which are constrained to a few niche roles right now. i thought the idea was to fix old content before adding more crap. anyway, rant aside, every other MMO includes visual customization for your avatar in your monthly fee, except for EVE. while im impressed by V3'ing of the ships, paying RL cash for a basic customization is ludicrous. idiots can consume this service if they want. Nex should not have anything to do with FiS and should be expanded on once WiS evolves. doing otherwise will be yet another horrible mistake. my 2 cents.
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN 415	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:33:00 - [17] - Quote This, to me, is one of those "watch what they do vs what they say" moments. If, after admitting that NEX was a terribly designed mistake that ended in absolute failure, CCP then decides to massively expand NEX by adding ship skins then we will know by their actions that they don't regret NEX at all -- they just regret that we didn't all drop to our knees and blow them for it.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 142	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:34:00 - [18] - Quote double post.
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 734	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:35:00 - [19] - Quote Jada Maroo wrote: This, to me, is one of those "watch what they do vs what they say" moments. If, after admitting that NEX was a terribly designed mistake that ended in absolute failure, CCP then decides to massively expand NEX by adding ship skins then we will know by their actions that they don't regret NEX at all -- they just regret that we didn't all drop to our knees and blow them for it. If they were going to go this route they would have removed the NeX by now. They are desperate for something that players actually want to buy to put in the NeX. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Zions Child Odyssey Inc SpaceMonkey's Alliance 19	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:36:00 - [20] - Quote I've been gone for about a year and a half, and even I know better than to post something with a title like "Please don't be mad if CCP does x." You deserve to get trolled to hell and back.

BeanBagKing Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing 15	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:36:00 - [21] - Quote Montevius Williams wrote: Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view. Pretty much this, make them affordable and destructible and I won't have a problem with it. Well really, even if they aren't affordable I won't have a problem, I just won't buy them :P but destructibility is a must.
Denidil The Graduates Morsus Mihi 143	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:37:00 - [22] - Quote Fionaa wrote: Do you feel the new nebulae-¦s should be NeX too ? After all its just skins, it wont effect gameplay. no, they shouldn't - they're a core part of the game they also don't affect gameplay. just because something doesn't affect gameplay doesn't mean it should be in NeX, but something in NeX that doesn't affect gameplay is fine. now if only they sold Logic implants in the nex, i would recommend you buy one - because your wetware sucks at it. MM Bombers, Best Bombers
ACE McFACE Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 54	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:41:00 - [23] - Quote I wouldn't mind if they where on the nex store, just as long as I can buy a good amount of skins with 1 PLEX. ZE GOGGLES, ZEY DO NOTHING! (Not wearing them so don't waste your time reading this sig)
Jada Maroo Mysterium Astrometrics BRABODEN 415	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:41:00 - [24] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: If they were going to go this route they would have removed the NeX by now. They are desperate for something that players actually want to buy to put in the NeX. Oh don't worry, I'm not naive. I know full well CCP epic fail and put ship skins in NEX.
DarkAegix Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 255	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:44:00 - [25] - Quote I am disappointed by the number of mentally disabled, NeX-hating, knee-jerk derps in this thread. Should ship skins be on the market, then? Well, if you want to buy a ship, whether skinned or not, prepare to open folder after folder after folder, finding the correct skin/ship you want.
Hungry Eyes Ministry of War Amarr Empire 142	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:46:00 - [26] - Quote Denidil wrote: Fionaa wrote: Do you feel the new nebulae-¦s should be NeX too ? After all its just skins, it wont effect gameplay. no, they shouldn't - they're a core part of the game and ship customization isnt? every other MMO includes visual customization for your avatar in your monthly fee, except for EVE
Paragon Renegade The Multinational Company. 78	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:46:00 - [27] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: I am disappointed by the number of mentally disabled, NeX-hating, knee-jerk derps in this thread. prepare to open folder after folder after folder, finding the correct skin/ship you want. Oh my breaking heart "Man, you aren't actually trying to do this, right? Nobody is that stupid right?" "How wrong you are"
Ladie Harlot GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 736	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:46:00 - [28] - Quote DarkAegix wrote: I am disappointed by the number of mentally disabled, NeX-hating, knee-jerk derps in this thread. Should ship skins be on the market, then? Well, if you want to buy a ship, whether skinned or not, prepare to open folder after folder after folder, finding the correct skin/ship you want. Hello there, DarkAegix, perhaps you could restate your point while making sense. Or explain why the only alternative to the skins being sold in the NeX is some hilariously complex manual addon that would have to be copied and pasted to various folders. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
mkint 312	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:46:00 - [29] - Quote All NEX stuff should be destructible. Except they should come in packs of at least 100 at current prices. I don't see a problem with it being in nex stores, as long as I can remove the new default logos for free. It's also important to differentiate between "ship skins" and "custom paint jobs." I don't think paint jobs will be in the winter expansion. Custom paint jobs require V3 textures, and V3 is only being done for gallente and caldari in the winter. It would mean you wouldn't be able to customize your minmatar/amarr/pirate boats, which would suck, and p!ss off a lot of those pilots (even if they aren't planning on using paintjobs.)
Dalloway Jones Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 79	Posted - 2011.11.09 01:47:00 - [30] - Quote This is what I am saving all that free AUR they gave us for.



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