Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view.

another thread where somebody tells someone else they're playing their game wrong.

sigh

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the new ship skins being sold via aurum, its a vanity extra, but is no way essential to gameplay. As long as the prices are reasonable (I'd suggest around the 1000 AUR mark) then there is no problem.

Yes people will cry, but they are self entitled jerks. Game balance and playability we should cry out, call foul play and demand more that's why we are paying a monthly fee, and the whole reason we are here.

Optional vanity extras like ship skins that have no effect on gameplay beyond looking all pretty like? At the end of the day CCP is selling a product and are after profit. If you can't afford it tough.

Simple as that.

Of course ship skins will be in the NeX store. Anybody who thinks CCP isn't doing everything they can to salvage their microtransaction superstore is a moron.

As long as the prices are reasonable (I'd suggest around the 1000 AUR mark) then there is no problem.

This, to me, is one of those "watch what they do vs what they say" moments.

If, after admitting that NEX was a terribly designed mistake that ended in absolute failure, CCP then decides to massively expand NEX by adding ship skins then we will know by their actions that they don't regret NEX at all -- they just regret that we didn't all drop to our knees and blow them for it.

Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view.

Do you feel the new nebulae-¦s should be NeX too ? After all its just skins, it wont effect gameplay.

If they were going to go this route they would have removed the NeX by now. They are desperate for something that players actually want to buy to put in the NeX.

no, they shouldn't - they're a core part of the game

I am disappointed by the number of mentally disabled, NeX-hating, knee-jerk derps in this thread.
prepare to open folder after folder after folder, finding the correct skin/ship you want.

I am disappointed by the number of mentally disabled, NeX-hating, knee-jerk derps in this thread.

Should ship skins be on the market, then?
Well, if you want to buy a ship, whether skinned or not, prepare to open folder after folder after folder, finding the correct skin/ship you want.

I am disappointed by the number of mentally disabled, NeX-hating, knee-jerk derps in this thread.

no, they shouldn't - they're a core part of the game

they also don't affect gameplay. just because something doesn't affect gameplay doesn't mean it should be in NeX, but something in NeX that doesn't affect gameplay is fine.


now if only they sold Logic implants in the nex, i would recommend you buy one - because your wetware sucks at it.

Hello there, DarkAegix, perhaps you could restate your point while making sense. Or explain why the only alternative to the skins being sold in the NeX is some hilariously complex manual addon that would have to be copied and pasted to various folders.

Perhaps there could be some kind of store which is separate from the market....
Perhaps in this amazing store we can trade-in ships for skinned versions....
Perhaps we already have this framework. The NeX store.

Rumour thread.

CCP Zymurgist

Stuff.

Okay I'll bite Mr Troll ......

Ship skins like other items in the game should be player produced. I find the NEX Store appologists like yourself extremely short sighted as to what is good for the game moving forward. Your attitude is, this doesn't affect my little piece of EVE so who gives a **** right.

CCP have chosen to belittle and marginalise any potential the items they have put in the NEX Store could have had on actual gameplay content. CCP looked to F2P games and what they were doing in their themeparks with microtransactions. At the same time conveniently ignoring that fact that EVE is a sandbox with Sub/PLEX already, but instead wanted to add what are now feature removing microtransactions on top of that rather than expanding gameplay content.

The items in the NEX could have still achieved what CCP wanted and also added gameplay benefits to the players, but instead the $500 sparkle tiger riding people and their ilk in CCP thought otherwise.

Yes CCP came very close to shitting on all the players that produced Scorpions with the Ishukone one being slated to be in the NEX Store just to see what happened. Thankfully they stopped only because someone spied it on the test server and made a forum post about it, otherwise CCP would have merrily gone ahead with it.

You raise some good points, but I believe CCP have already said (during the AT9 finals) that the ship skins would require AUR and the Ship as a trade in, so for a Roden Mega, it'd be a Mega + 500 aur or something

So it doesn't by-pass the market

It bypasses the ability of the players to craft the skins. Same as the clothing.

I actually don't care, as long as the default skins aren't stupid space camo for the bloody Comet!


As long as the default skin is not painful, I wouldn't mind having the new skins be Nex items. Heck they might as well use it for something since our characters won't be getting much usage.

I think I see the shape of CCP's new business plan: make the default skins so hideous that you have to spend cash in the microtransaction superstore to get rid of them.

About the Nebula's should be NeX if ship skins are. Use your freaking head lad! Nebula's effect everyone, that's like saying you should be able to make Dodixie II a plasma planet with NeX. When NeX and ship skins is obviously a very personal change affecting only yourself.

I never said "nebulas should be in nex" Dont make **** up. Im just asking where do you draw the line about new gameplay contet being bought in nex store. I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself. And i really dont care about "core gameplay" "vanity" or whatever, pixels be pixels.

I never said "nebulas should be in nex" Dont make **** up. Im just asking where do you draw the line about new gameplay contet being bought in nex store. I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself. And i really dont care about "core gameplay" "vanity" or whatever, pixels be pixels.

[quote=Wacktopia]

See post by CCP Zymurgist here: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1560099

Hilmar said Nex is on the backburner (fact).

What about nebulae sold by nex? And new ship models, and engine trails.
Vanity stuff, isn't it?

I pay for my sub and i kinda take for granted that new game contet is what i keep paying eve online for, but maybe Im just fooling myself.

Of course its going to be in the NeX store. They might be reasonably priced.

From a different poster:



Okay, taking you seriously, by your definition the 4 new BC's coming next expansion should be provided to you for free as part of your subscription fee.

Your absolutly right I have to admit. But when you price the stuff in the nex store that high ccp are expecting people to buy plex. Now if i was able to convert 1 million isk into idk 100aurum to buy that pixel i could accept it.

You are a fool if you believe a few vanity paint jobs are a substantial feature. Look at all of the new features coming this winter that are NOT on Nex.

It doesn't really matter if ship skins are destructible or not. I seriously doubt they will be. But if you're the only guy in a fleet standing out like the Backdoor Bandit, guess who is going to get shot first.

Because of all the other items on the NeX that are reasonably priced such as

Now, if new ship colors were presented as freebies instead of valued customizations, then everyone would color their ships. When everyone colors their ship the effect of producing a colored ship is diminished in value. In contrast, having more value in ship color adds additional dynamic to the amount of isk lost from a kill mail. Dynamics make things more interesting

Ahhh, but ship skins, if destructible, are very different. They don't have to be expensive for CCP to make a killing. In fact, the opposite is probably true.

And hopefully CCP will realize this.

A spray can of each color can be added for 500 AUR.

Maybe 3 uses per can of spray paint.

350m isk = 1 PLEX = 3,500 AUR - (3,500/500) * 3 = 21 Painted ships or 16.6m ISK per Ship

I will be disappointed if they make the paint jobs (such as the camo rubbish) default then expect us to buy real paint. Either way, I will probably avoid the ships. Simply won't use the NEX store, even with the free Aurum

I will be disappointed if they make the paint jobs (such as the camo rubbish) default then expect us to buy real paint. Either way, I will probably avoid the ships. Simply won't use the NEX store, even with the free Aurum

Ship skin = Vanity. I have no issue at all with it being on the Nex market. If your ship is destroyed however, you need to buy a new skin. Thats my view.

Yeah they go this route, Im out.
Star Trek Online tried the same thing.

And this is why people will suicide skinned ships.


Edit: I do support skinned ships as long as it costs the original ship, or the minerals to build the original ship. And the stats do not differ from the t1 varients.


IE. Roden shipyards mega will have the same stats as a tech 1 mega.

Not even close.

really.... wanna elaborate on that?

https://www.startrekonline.com/store

click on "ships"

Those are vanity only skins for ships.

They also sold ships that you could not get any other way... that is what pissed people off. Not the paint jobs.

Your absolutly right I have to admit. But when you price the stuff in the nex store that high ccp are expecting people to buy plex. Now if i was able to convert 1 million isk into idk 100aurum to buy that pixel i could accept it.

If they do this... I will want a Hello Kitty skin to put on my Vindicator just to IRK people.

Besides which, there are copy right problems with that.

You think other people are going to look at your ship?
Maybe griefers to check who cares and will give them more tears.
Besides which, there are copy right problems with that.

No, none of the above are vanity items.

Nebulae are part of the environment.

lol copyright issues?

Look at corp names some day. Youd be profitting more from the corp name than you would be from the paint job on your ship.

Hell for once instance, "Band of Brothers" was a copyright of HBO
You saw how much CCP cared about that infringement

No, that is not absolutely right. The new ships are being added to the game via the sandbox gamplay that is at the core of EVE. You either make it yourself or someone else makes it for you. If they were given to you for free then that would circumvent the sandbox gamplay that you are paying your sub for.

So Ranger1 we finally see where you draw the line in the sand on the NEX Store.

Just one problem with your response, does the new nebulae's have any effect on gamplay in any way shape or form? No, they are for all intents and purpose pure vanity.

If clothing and ship paint/logos are vanity because they have no effect on gameplay, then there is a lot of scope for things in EVE to be put in the NEX Store.

This is one of the other problems with the NEX Store, where do you draw the line between what is vanity and what is not, because from your response it's looking pretty thin and vague.

In reality Aurum should have been purely used by EVE players to fund the war efforts in Dust514, a game which is being setup from scratch as a F2P themepark/psuedo sandbox with microtransactions.

Personally I can't understand how CCP and some players are satisfied with the mediocre delivery of items into the sandbox of EVE via the NEX Store. With how CCP has handled the NEX, all they've done is alienate a whole lot of people both in the game and outside of it. Be Fearless CCP and show that you have the cherries to maintain the integrity of EVE as a sandbox game.

Put the NEX items back into the players hands by having them manufactured by them and destructable.

NeX allows content for Aurum, thus ISK.
Content is immersion and enhances player experiences

I've always been uncomfortable with the vanity only argument as it means you only get the full content experience if you pay more and more Aurum, thus ISK.

If we were building the game without this consideration, ship skins/logos, etc. would probably be earned from LP, be awarded for completing missions, running a corp, or having great standings - NeX means all of those options and game depth are replaced by Aurum, thus ISK.

lol copyright issues?

Look at corp names some day. Youd be profitting more from the corp name than you would be from the paint job on your ship.

Hell for once instance, "Band of Brothers" was a copyright of HBO
You saw how much CCP cared about that infringement

In reality Aurum should have been purely used by EVE players to fund the war efforts in Dust514, a game which is being setup from scratch as a F2P themepark/psuedo sandbox with microtransactions.

Personally I can't understand how CCP and some players are satisfied with the mediocre delivery of items into the sandbox of EVE via the NEX Store. With how CCP has handled the NEX, all they've done is alienate a whole lot of people both in the game and outside of it. Be Fearless CCP and show that you have the cherries to maintain the integrity of EVE as a sandbox game.

Put the NEX items back into the players hands by having them manufactured by them and destructable.

FYP.

Don't pay a cent if you don't want to.

if CCP had of released the first items in the NeX store as ship skins the whole unsub thing probablywouldent have been anywhere near as bad, and possibly not have happend at all.

I understand CCP is in need of more funding, i am perfectly OK , and WILL put IRL money into the game for ship skins as long as they do not try to be greedy (like they did with the Monocle...) and try to sell a single paint color for $90 irl or something stupid like $10 per skin that can only be applied once.


So CCP - Your'e call on if we buy it or not. Still think greed is good? heh

and CCP also missed the point on "micro" transactions

Its small transactions (1-5$) made lots of times - by alot of people = big bucks

Being greedy fucks = only idiots buy, and not THAT many people are idiots, so in the long run CCP looses out from their greed.

Pretty much right there with ya. Just don't forget, you need not spend a dime of real cash on a NeX item.

Edit: Also remember, they wanted to include at least one ship skin at the beginning, but they couldn't get the Scorpion as part of the price thing to work (or their alternative the BPC sale of the ship skin to work properly). At least not then.

I can't buy and personally own a Nebulae, it is part of the environment. Vanity items are things that you can purchase and own. If you have difficulty understanding that, I'm sorry. For most I think that is pretty cut and dried.

Granted, "The Ranger" nebulae has kind of a ring to it.

You are correct, CCP is restricting themselves to a very strict interpretation of what they will sell in the NeX. I don't fault them for this, there is a lot of unthinking hysteria about "pay to win" items. Most people don't even understand the definition of the term.

However, that is their choice and it is probably a wise one... firmly based in customer feed back.

Which, I presume, is exactly what you want.

expecting consistency ?

Hardly...

People who were raged by "barbies" in EVE and NeX are raged about missile launchers hardpoints not visible, raged about skins of ships, raged about models of ships... All its just visual ...

Consistency ? Non.

Anyway as far as NeX goes... depend on pricing and how it would be managed... Aka "Ishkune Scorpion"

if CCP had of released the first items in the NeX store as ship skins the whole unsub thing probablywouldent have been anywhere near as bad, and possibly not have happend at all.

I understand CCP is in need of more funding, i am perfectly OK , and WILL put IRL money into the game for ship skins as long as they do not try to be greedy (like they did with the Monocle...) and try to sell a single paint color for $90 irl or something stupid like $10 per skin that can only be applied once.


So CCP - Your'e call on if we buy it or not. Still think greed is good? heh

and CCP also missed the point on "micro" transactions

Its small transactions (1-5$) made lots of times - by alot of people = big bucks

Being greedy fucks = only idiots buy, and not THAT many people are idiots, so in the long run CCP looses out from their greed.

I would like to see player designs sold as a BPO's.

You make a skin/design and submit it, when CCP has verified it's not full of naked ladies ect. youll get a BPO for that skin. Submitting a design could cost 1 plex or 3500 AUR.

When building skins from the BPO you would build from AUR and get "skin rigs" for the "skin rig slot".
This way you could have a unique product selling zebra striped rifters or whatever rocks your boat.

I suggest something like these prices for building skin rigs.

Frig skin rig cost of 100 AUR.
Cruiser skin rig cost of 250 AUR.
Battleship skin rig cost of 500 AUR.

I don't think destructible one-use skins will be a big success. I expect quite a few players will buy them initially, but once the novelty wears off they will stop.

A better implementation imo is for the NeX store to sell players the rights to use a particular skin - a licensing model rather than a sale model. Once you have bought the license you can apply the skin as many times as you like, but it requires consumable resources each time (paint etc) and these are produced in-game by players. Seems to be win-win to me.

If they were going to go this route they would have removed the NeX by now. They are desperate for something that players actually want to buy to put in the NeX.

I personally am all for vanity rmt ... mainly because I think it will improve eve as a whole.

If we work with the following assumptions we can see how good this is for the rest of the game:

CCP would only implement vanity RMT if it was profitable

Vanity items will not bring new players to the game, but enrich the game for those already playing

Improved gameplay featues attracts new players.

To make VRMT more profitable CCP need to attract more players to the game. To attract more player to the game the game itself needs to improve. The more profit VRMT makes the more can be reinvested in the game.

BUT

The moment a gold ammo situation happens I'll be amongst the first to leave.

OP:

Ship skins may be on the NexShop and i can-¦t care less. All i hope is that they are destructable, so that someone can bring up "skinsageddon", where i defenatly will join.

Let the haters destroy every single painted hull, to maximise CCP-¦s profit. I want a pink domi for FREE.

You know perfectly well that people like the OP will be whining immediately for ship skins to be invulnerable because he paid "real money" for it.

He is the type of player who really doesn't "get" Eve and unfortunately CCP envisaged NeX on precisely this misunderstanding of the core product they own.

Where is this enrichment of the game you speak of, because all I see is the watering down of content and features to enable microtransactions.

You know perfectly well that people like the OP will be whining immediately for ship skins to be invulnerable because he paid "real money" for it.
He is the type of player who really doesn't "get" Eve and unfortunately CCP envisaged NeX on precisely this misunderstanding of the core product they own.

Pretty much right there with ya. Just don't forget, you need not spend a dime of real cash on a NeX item.

[quote=Ranger 1]
And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours!

To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item?

Watering down of content? No. More content is being added.

Watering down of features? No. Addition of features.
Clearly, you see wrong.
You can even access these 'microtransactions' by buying a PLEX with ISK, if you desire.

And what's wrong with microtransactions for vanity, if they can be purchased with a supply/demand affected in-game currency?

EVE is already rampant with the effects of out of game forces. The 'sandbox' is already gone. Just look at PLEX. You can literally pay to win. Are you complaining about PLEX? Of course not. You're complaining about ship skins and pants.

Being the OP, I know perfectly well that I won't pay real money for vanity items.
Or even 'real' items. I haven't bought a PLEX for cash, and are not planning too. Will I skin a Hurricane for PVP? Probably not. Will I skin a Dominix for PVE? Probably.
Try again. Or don't. You may embarrass yourself.
Clearly, you're not the player who 'gets' EVE.
EVE is the vision of CCP, not YOU. EVE is what CCP make it. If CCP decide that EVE is to have a NeX store, then EVE has a NeX store. I accept whatever damn thing CCP will do with the game, because they aren't screwing things up for me.

And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours!

To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item?

Not to mention the stupidity of a link between how players pay for their accounts and how players would choose to pay for a popular vanity item.

edit: see post 43(?) for more

Words

Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain.

NeX harms EVE less than PLEX does.

You're missing my entire point!

You're not really complaining that something is ruining EVE. You're complaining that something EXTRA isn't being done to EVE. I would love ship skins to be player-created, but they don't need to be right now. They aren't player-created. They can't be reprocessed into minerals. They're based off a system entirely driven by RL forces outside of EVE's sandbox (PLEX).

NeX doesn't help EVE's authenticity, but it doesn't hurt it either.

Ship skins in NeX store? No harm done. No need to complain.

Ship skins created by players? Sure, later, to make EVE more 'authentic'. Remember: later. Players want ship skins ASAP.

Ship skilns in the NeX store robs the game of a possible new industry and manufacturing chain. Harm done.
How do PLEX harm EVE?

You're missing my entire point!.

Ship skilns in the NeX store robs the game of a possible new industry and manufacturing chain. Harm done.

How do PLEX harm EVE?

Watering down of content? No. More content is being added.
Watering down of features? No. Addition of features.
Clearly, you see wrong.
You can even access these 'microtransactions' by buying a PLEX with ISK, if you desire.

And what's wrong with microtransactions for vanity, if they can be purchased with a supply/demand affected in-game currency?
EVE is already rampant with the effects of out of game forces. The 'sandbox' is already gone. Just look at PLEX. You can literally pay to win. Are you complaining about PLEX? Of course not. You're complaining about ship skins and pants.

Even your signature is totally against the NeX store. When was that all the rage, like 3 months ago? Obviously, you're butthurt. We get it. No need to rub your butthurt in our faces.

It robs EVE of something which isn't there...?

CCP can shove skins into the NeX store, and then add player creation of skins through LP or whatever later.

Apparently it hurts the 'authenticity' of EVE by allowing outside forces to manipulate the distribution of power and ISK in the economy.

NeX ship skins are outside of the sandbox. Just like customs offices were.

PLEX affect the sandbox more than NeX does. Go complain about PLEX instead.

Ship customization is something I've wanted since my first day in space, and will spend ludicrous amount of any relevant currency if/when it's finally possible.

No, none of the above are vanity items.

Nebulae are part of the environment.

New ship models, such as the 4 being introduced next expansion, are core content available as BPO's and sold on the market.

Engine trails are a basic game mechanic, finally reintroduced after being enhanced and optimized in what will hopefully avert their former frame rate killing performance.

"hey lads people are offering totally reasonable arguments as to why NEX for skins is a bad idea, please come post in my thread to help me out"

Took me a while to get your point :D never even spoken to the OP, nor do I agree with him 100%, I just came with my 2 cents. Ship skins are cool, I want them.

As they have no effect on game balance in any way, I'd rather pay CCP for vanity pimpin mah space ships than some other player.

The Spaceship Barbies will rage, if that's the case.

Thank you, you saved me the trouble.

Ships skins may be coming this winter.

And yet in the end CCP are paid in cash for the item, making it a $ purchase outside the sub. Im not arguing for or against the vanity stuff here Im simply stating a fact: it doesnt matter how many times someone says "but you dont have to pay RL monies for it!" As you effectively ARE spending RL money on it, just not necessarily yours!

To put it another way if all stocks of PLEX dried up and no one seeded anymore to market, how would you pay for your vanity item?

Not to mention the stupidity of a link between how players pay for their accounts and how players would choose to pay for a popular vanity item.

edit: see post 43(?) for more

or just not add them in the NeX store to begin with, since there are far better ways of adding the same content.

Are people really zoomed in far enough the actually see their ship or anyone elses in space? Ship skins seems like something else that only you can see in station.

NeX is a bad idea - pure and simple.

Subscription is for content
Subscription means active players generating and destroying isk
Subscription allows some players to sell isk/time from other players with PLEX
PLEX supplements income for CCP

NeX only allows content for cash
Content is immersion and enhances player experiences

I've always been uncomfortable with the vanity only argument as it means you only get the full content experience if you pay more and more cash.

If we were building the game without this consideration, ship skins/logos, etc. would probably be earned from LP, be awarded for completing missions, running a corp, or having great standings - NeX means all of those options and game depth are replaced by cash

Yes, Ive watched that downward slide, personally, on the STO forums. It was "vanity only" at first, then they started introducing races you didnt have access to in game, then ships that had special abilities, then special xp enhancers etc etc etc.

Don't worry, you've repeated your view enough times and I get it - I just don't see that NeX, or the way the store works is as harmless as you do.
I don't even think it fits EVE.

Sadly.

Some arguments may be "reasonable", but the most reasonable thing to do of all would be to introduce ship skins outside of the NeX store. BPOs, drop down menus, and other normal ways to implement basic features.

The OP has convinced himself that if CCP goes through the trouble of creating a ship-skinning system that the *only* way it could ever be added to the game is through the NeX. Apparently adding them to the LP store or just having a dropdown menu in the ship fitting window to select the skin you want isn't technically possible.

GǪwhich is particularly hilarious seeing as how the market and LP store already have all the mechanisms in place to deal with it (and, in fact, already does), whereas the NeX very famously was (and still is, half a year later) utterly unable to do exactly that.

It happens in every game with a microtransaction store. As soon as the developers/publishers realize that there are people out there willing to pay a bunch of rl money to win a computer game they become more than happy to accommodate.

And this is where the arguments against the NeX fall short, including (respectfully) Jade's.

A few facts, read closely:

The Nex store is an intergal link between DUST industry and economy and EVE industry and economy. It is not going away. In fact, it is inevitable that it will expand.

Remember carefully why the Ishukone Scorpion was not offered through the NeX.

Players pointed out that it circumvented the player driven industrial base too much.

CCP replied "We know, this is just a test of the system as it is until we can properly implement either BPC transactions via the NeX or accept tangibles like ships, PI goods, whatever player produced items as part of the purchse price. However, since you object to this test we will cancel it until such time as we can implement the full system".

This effectively ends all arguments based on the NeX store undermining the player based industry in EVE. The only arguable points now are to what degree player industry will be involved, and will clothing items also be converted to this system (and yes, they should be).

We have already covered arguments based on "I shouldn't have to pay more than my subscription for this content", since you in fact do not. You can get your Aurum from ISK purchased PLEX, which helps the guy out thats trying to sell his cash bought PLEX for ISK, which helps out CCP by stimulating their PLEX for cash market.

So what do we have left to argue about?

Not much, other than the continual stream of people who don't understand the concept at all... but are highly upset about it.

Ships skins may be coming this winter, if the recent hints are anything to go by. The possibility that they'll be sold on the NeX store is very high.
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Too much assumption in your response, too much of this is a bad idea, and none of it refutes NeX being a bad idea. Double charging us for content is never ok.

None of this is an assumption. Verify it yourself by watching the interviews during the last alliance tournament, Dev Blogs concerning the Ishukone Watch Scorpion, and the information released about the DUST economy and it's relationship with EVE.

None of this is a bad idea. It's just a different way to do what we already do, simply in a different interface that will also work with DUST.

All if it refutes the idea that the NeX is a bad idea.

That would be true, if you were being double charged. However since this is new content that you can (and most will) buy with ISK, just as you do with the new ships being introduced to the game, you are not being double charged. You simply have to option to pay for these items with cash... exactly as you have that option now... via a more direct interface.

You're not very bright are you? NeX = aurum = plex = $$. Regardless of whether or not I pay ISK for it is irrelevant due to the fact it took real money to generate.

I already pay $15/month, why should I pay more? Time to face the fact that this is a failed experiment, and it deserved to fail.

The person that buys the PLEX with cash gets exactly what they want for their money. They get ISK.

The person that buys the vanity item with and ISK purchased PLEX gets exactly what they want. The vanity item in question without spending their own cash to aquire it.

CCP gets exactly what they want. The get the income from the original PLEX purchase..

You don't pay the cash. The person that purchased the PLEX did. You are simply giving that person what he wants, namely your ISK.

To put it in your terms:

NeX = aurum = plex = ISK.

It's time to face the fact that NeX items will not cost you a penny over your subscription unless you wish them to, assuming you want to purchase those items off of the NeX at all. You could also simply wait until the item becomes available on the main market or the contract system.

I already pay $15/month, why should I pay more? Time to face the fact that this is a failed experiment, and it deserved to fail.

I could, but why should I? How is it better than the traditional way of releasing content to us?

Simple answer, it's not, and no amount of logical gymnastics on your part will fix it.

Ranger would be correct if we werent paying a sub, methinks the NeX store was the first salvo towards making the game free to play, as as Hilmar has hinted at, the sub payment plan isnt feasible in the long run.

So you won't be buying the new BC''s or their BPO's with ISK?

Nifty, I didn't realise that my subscription entitles me to having everything in the game without paying ISK for it.

It requires no logical gymnastics to understand

logical gymnastics

This is more of the same Aur/Nex is AUTOMATICALLY bad crap that gets bandied about here too much.

Now don't misunderstand me here. I am not arguing that NeX is great or that CCP will make good on what I am about to suggest but I'll try to prove that Aur/NeX is not automatically bad and that it doesn't NECESSARILY amount to double charging.


Image, just for example, if some outside company or a modder created an add-on for EVE that contained, I don't know, some vanity items. Imagine CCP wasn't making these but a lot of players wanted them and they did not affect gameplay except in some vanity way.

Now imagine CCP said, sure we don't care, it's ok, not against the EULA - go ahead.

If outside company or modder charged for this service, nobody would say CCP was double charging them - because it would be money going to someone else entirely.

Now imagine if instead, CCP, who was busy pumping out new ships, engine trails, shots that miss, hybrid balancing, UI upgrades, Beautiful backrounds, etc said:

"Hey, why don't we create a new department that we can't really afford to pay, and they can create content that players like but these guys will sell it via MT. They will exist solely to provide the content that the players can pay for and support that department by buying"

In other words, Just like the outside modder, No MT = No ability to provide that content. CCP is busy providing the all the content that subs can pay for but this new department functions just like the outside modder. It generates content based on the ADDITIONAL influx of money.

So CCP isn't double charging in such a case -- not if they are busy providing all the actual content that subs can buy, which, it appears they are doing right now.

If it was otherwise, CCP would not have just laid a bunch of people off.

I swear some of you would be happier if CCP just said "You are right, We can't afford to make ship skins without MT so no ship skins for you."



Edit: I feel I should reiterate. I'm not saying this IS what's happening. I don't know. Maybe CCP could just give us all of this. But it COULD be happening, and it most definitely could happen more in the future.

I mean seriously, DUST is in some distant way a 'part' of eve. should they just give that away too so they don't 'double-charge' you?

This. Didnt Hilmar make referrence to this payment model not working over time? (This payment model being the $15 a moth one)

Here's a hint: You dont need extra real life money to create a Tier 3 BC. You do with any NeX item.

Because it allows a common marketing system with DUST.

Because it allows a common marketing system with DUST.

Yes, but how is it BETTER? It's not.

Because it allows a common marketing system with DUST.

What about after Dust fails?

We'll burn that bridge when we come to it.

Start planning now. I doubt it will be around long enough to make arrangements after it launches

Because CCP don't need to delay ships for the umpteenth time.