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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:02:00 -
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Victoria Thorne wrote:IIshira wrote:Damien White wrote:Anyway, now, nearly a month after implementation, has anyone found a niche for this ship where he would pay the money for it and doesnt want to change back to a different Ship? I would like to know this too. At about double the price of other pirate faction battleships I would expect the Nestor to do something awesome It has achieved awesomeness. It has managed to become a Pirate Faction battleship that (seemingly) no one thinks is OP. That has to be the greatest achievement of any ship.
So kind of like a Guristas shuttle... Way more expensive than a standard T1 shuttle but perhaps if you hit a secret combination of keys it will reveal an 8-8-8 slot layout. Fear my OP shuttle! |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2014.02.19 14:30:00 -
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From the posts I've read it can make a nice bait ship... Or a 3 billion ISK lossmail....
Any loadouts for purposes OTHER than bait?
If it's a PVP loadout the performance would have to justify the 1.5 billion ISK hull cost. For example the Nestor fits neuts but so does the Bhaalgorn at half the cost. Now if the Nestor could do better in some part then maybe the additional cost would be worth it.
For a PVE loadout hull cost isn't really a factor since it's rare you would lose one. The biggest factor here would be does it perform as good or better than ANY battleship?
From looking at EFT it does the same as a Navy Dominix.. The extra armor resistance makes up for the loss of a low slot. It doesn't have the PG for beam lasers but will fit mega pulse. The lack of low slots means you won't have room for heat sinks so the DPS will be poor. |
Ginger Barbarella
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1875
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Posted - 2014.02.19 16:25:00 -
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Personally, I kinda doubt this thing will even be safe in blue null. With the price tag I suspect it'll be a prime gank target in the usual freighter gank alleys.
I think this boat was just a mistake. "Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac |
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
692
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Posted - 2014.02.19 18:52:00 -
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Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.
Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.
There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.
[Nestor, PVE] Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warden II x5
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Victoria Thorne
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2014.02.19 19:09:00 -
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At a glance, your biggest problem is going to be the powergrid usage of a LAR vs a Large RAR. 1800 v 600
I think that you'd almost have to make it remote repairing and use it in pairs to be practical for anything. |
Thel Reth
Fallen Supremacy Hydrophobia.
2
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Posted - 2014.02.19 23:06:00 -
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Bertrand Butler wrote:You could also use a Prophecy or even a Navy auguror if oyu wanted to spend less money. The reason for suggesting a Nestor is that everyone wants to kill a Nestor...C: Or even a 2bill proteus and have almost carrier ehp |
Damien White
Sonnenlegion Shadow Cartel
84
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Posted - 2014.02.20 18:56:00 -
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Well, then you could simply field an carrier.
That is basicaly the main reason why I personaly think the ship is bad. For the cost of this thing you can field an carrier, get more EHP, Rep etc. 97% of girls would die if Justin Bieber were about to jump off a cliff. Post this in your sig if you`re part of the 3% yelling,
"DO A BARREL ROLL!" |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6299
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:16:00 -
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One time bump to fix forum. |
SomethingIs InMyButt
Nightmare Coalition Recruitment Center
8
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:07:00 -
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The soe ships are meant to run ghost sites. And if i do say so, they excell at them. |
Batelle
HOMELE55
2095
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Posted - 2014.03.05 18:20:00 -
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SomethingIs InMyButt wrote:The soe ships are meant to run ghost sites. And if i do say so, they excell at them.
T3s > > > Stratios > anything else "CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"
Never forget. |
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Arthur Aihaken
Perkone Caldari State
2981
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Posted - 2014.03.06 03:22:00 -
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Coming Soon: The Rubicon 1.3 Nestor. Now with less suck. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
672
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Posted - 2014.03.06 10:56:00 -
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Shpenat wrote:
There is never going to be cov ops cloaky battleship. So please stop asking for one
This argument is getting tiresome. The sun rotates around the earth..... The earth is flat....
Just saying something often enough, does not make it either correct or true.
This ship has it's primary advantage low mass which ONLY is of benefit in wormholes. Without an ability to warp cloaked it is as much use as a submarine without a hatch. This has been done to death and explained hundreds of times, in depth clearly and concisely, tolstoy has written less. And still the same old same old comes back. Please just think and read a little before using this completely discredited and worthless argument again. There are rational and reasonable reasons for exactly why it is not only desireable but essential for this ships survival.
Unless you have a reason why it should never exist at all? There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
marVLs
573
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:01:00 -
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Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but... |
SFM Hobb3s
Vanguard Frontiers Black Legion.
67
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:44:00 -
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If it had a jump drive and could jump to covert cynos...you would see much more demand and use of this ship. It would have the potential to expand the use of black ops entirely. You could actually start using black ops bs for more than just quick ratter ganks. You could actually start causing real problems behind enemy lines (blops fleets hitting sov structures etc). Isn't that what Black Ops should be about? |
Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
4983
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:30:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but...
It's the Revenant all over again.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
674
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:15:00 -
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marVLs wrote:Nestor is bad, very bad for it's price and class, just useless. We all say it, we all know it but... It is really really sad, after the astero and stratios, that offer so much, so much was expected of the nestor.
But.. It's not over yet, I hope and I think, that CCP Rise is reading all these comments, and taking note, at first, a little tweak here, a little tweak there, and eventually he will decide, which of the suggestions and comments are best for the ship and make it something special.
I am an optimist, and usually I am pleasantly suprised.
CCP Rise, there is enough in the threads now, for you to make the nestor something you can be proud of. All the pieces are here, just put them together, add flair, and this can be the best work you have ever done, and make a lot of people very happy. There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
373
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:23:00 -
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If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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crazy0146
Boris Johnson's Love Children Awakened.
58
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Posted - 2014.03.07 10:48:00 -
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When dual boxing these i can get a 2k dps tank, cap stable with enough recharge to survive c5 sleeper neuts (possibly even c6 neuts) they each do 650+ dps with garde II's. All T2 fit
The only problem is the price which is 1.7bil each, so for what reason would i use these when for 500mil less then the price of one of these ships i can get a vargur or paladin that can tank the same and does 800+dps again all T2 fit.
Or i could just use 3 rr domis for even less. |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
375
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Posted - 2014.03.07 13:43:00 -
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crazy0146 wrote:so for what reason would i use these
Hint: It would be a trap. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Ryn Aldent
Card Shark Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:43:00 -
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In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works. |
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IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
700
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Posted - 2014.03.08 01:04:00 -
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Ryn Aldent wrote:In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works.
How does it compare to T2 logi? |
Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
261
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Posted - 2014.03.08 05:59:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Okay here's my attempt at a PVE loadout for level 4 missions.
Before the troll goes "Not all ships in Eve are for missions" I got it... You can't run missions with a Bhaalgorn either. This is my attempt at a loadout to keep discussion going and perhaps someone will find a good use for the Nestor. If you have a good PVP loadout that's not bait by all means please post it.
There's not enough PG for a prop mod or tachs. This fit still requires a +3 PG implant. At all level 5 skills the Nestor doesn't even have enough PG for a LAR and a full rack of mega pulse lasers... This is without ANY other modules fitted! Not enough low slots for a heat sink and you lose DPS if you replace a DDA with one.
It gets 878 DPS with Bouncer II's and 972 with Garde II. Due to the 1.1 drone nerf using the Bouncer DPS figure is more realistic since the range of Garde's is crazy short.
[Nestor, PVE] Ammatar Navy Large Armor Repairer Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Reactive Armor Hardener Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Omnidirectional Tracking Link II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Drone Link Augmentor II Drone Link Augmentor II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Large Drone Scope Chip I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warden II x5
You might as well shield tank it if you are going to use it for PvE...its that bad..XD
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Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise Fatal Ascension
870
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Posted - 2014.03.08 07:51:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian.
Yeah for a couple minutes.
Look at what it takes to get a 4 repper nestor stable........ |
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2014.03.08 09:14:00 -
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IIshira wrote:Ryn Aldent wrote:In my own Corp the Nester has been used successfully as a logi ship, running incursions. A VERY EXPENSIVE logi ship but it works. How does it compare to T2 logi?
It does rep a bit more(around 30% with corpum a type meds), can field 1-2 more but weaker tracking links and adds around 800 DPS in sentrys. I have one for static VG Inc fleets but it isn't that impressive, even if you ignore cost(what you basically have to do when you put a halve way good setup together). The extra rep isn't really needed in a fleet that could afford it, it is far harder to keep alive with a marauder than a normal logi(that only needs 1-2 reps and be done with it) and it is 5 times the ISK of a pimp logi for a few more dps you could add with sentry drones and probably lose by the weaker tracking links. For everything else, where you need a mwd and movement it is worse in any way to normal logis, because it lacks the rep range and the proper cap.
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Berasus
Ice station zebra
31
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Posted - 2014.03.08 12:52:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian. Yeah for a couple minutes. Look at what it takes to get a 4 repper nestor stable........
6 repper nestor, > 1 hour cap time (10 minute 47s if you downgrade the implants to #05's to save cost) Needs to trade 1 large cap transmitter with another ship. (hey, when comparing it to a guardian, fair is fair)
Of course the whole issue is moot since it only gets 16.8km range on its remote reps which just doesn't cut it for a dedicated logistic ship.
[Nestor, New Setup 1] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Explosive Membrane II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
100MN Afterburner II Remote Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Remote Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Remote Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II
Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Armor Repairer II Large Remote Capacitor Transmitter II
Large Remote Repair Augmentor II Large Remote Repair Augmentor II Large Remote Repair Augmentor II
EO-606 implant RA-706 implant EM-806 implant |
Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2014.03.10 20:52:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Markku Laaksonen wrote:If price isn't an issue, how does the Nestor fare as an armor logi? Messing around in EFT says it can put out almost twice the reps of a Guardian. Yeah for a couple minutes. Look at what it takes to get a 4 repper nestor stable........
I messed around a tiny bit in EFT, and seem to recall it taking one or two Guardian ETs. I can check when I can access EFT. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Markku Laaksonen
EVE University Ivy League
378
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Posted - 2014.03.10 20:53:00 -
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Berasus wrote:Nestor Logi fit
Why do you have TCs? I assume they're meant to be scan res scripted SeBos? DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/
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Berasus
Ice station zebra
32
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Posted - 2014.03.11 01:52:00 -
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Markku Laaksonen wrote:Berasus wrote:Nestor Logi fit Why do you have TCs? I assume they're meant to be scan res scripted SeBos?
Force of habit from normally flying oneiros for logistics. You could put sebos there if you want (probably a good idea to in fact) but the point was really just that it is actually possible to get a nestor effectively cap stable with an impressive amount of rep(6 bonused large reppers) in a similar setup to the other cap chaining logis. Its big downfall as a logistics ship is the crap range on it's reppers (and its price tag, tho incursion runners may overlook that if it did the job noticeably better than a guardian). |
Kahdath
Intentionally Dense Easily Excited
20
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Posted - 2014.03.11 02:30:00 -
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Found this tucked away in the patch notes for tomorrow (Rubicon 1.3):
The Nestor has received a small set of balance changes: Capacitor raised to 7000 (was 6200) Capacitor recharge time lowered to 1025s (was 1154s) Scan resolution increased to 125 (was 85) Role bonus to range of remote armor repairers raised to 200% (was 100%) |
Berasus
Ice station zebra
32
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Posted - 2014.03.11 04:30:00 -
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Kahdath wrote:Found this tucked away in the patch notes for tomorrow (Rubicon 1.3):
The Nestor has received a small set of balance changes: Capacitor raised to 7000 (was 6200) Capacitor recharge time lowered to 1025s (was 1154s) Scan resolution increased to 125 (was 85) Role bonus to range of remote armor repairers raised to 200% (was 100%)
Wow, that might just make it a viable and practical logistics ship. The cap changes should even make it possible to run a full rack of 7 large remote reppers without relying on cap-chaining.
It's still going to hurt for range tho. %200 bonus is a definite improvement but its still a touch low. 25.2km instead of 16.8km. |
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