Has anyone else noticed that it is no longer possible to reset an escalation timer? I saw no mention of this in the patch notes, but several of my corp mates are reporting that this is now the case.

Don't really know if this is a good or bad thing...

It's was very useful, but it almost seemed like an exploit being able to keep the site alive for ever, i don't think the mechanic was designed to work that way.

Don't really know if this is a good or bad thing...

It's was very useful, but it almost seemed like an exploit being able to keep the site alive for ever, i don't think the mechanic was designed to work that way.

7 days is far from being forever.

It makes sense to remove it - but we would expect to see this sort of thing in patch notes if it is deliberate.

If this is an intended change its quite unfortunate. Most people don't even run non-ded sites in the first place, because escalations are difficult and require additional effort, travel, danger, and time.

Seriously. Not happy if this was intended. One of the only perks to doing escalations was that you could pick and choose your time.

Also you could collect several escalations at one system and complete them at one flight

7days?! as far as i knew it was 24hours and you could reset the timer by warping to the site and cancelling the warp......7 days? damn it!

You can reset the 24hr timer every day for 7 days.. so you still need to warp to it within a 24hr period..

You can reset the 24hr timer every day for 7 days.. so you still need to warp to it within a 24hr period..

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One of the CCPs in the help channel on the morning of the patch said this was a bug fix. Can look over logs this evening for a quote. No screenshot so take it or leave it.

Found it:
[ 2014.01.28 15:14:33 ] CCP Lebowski > Ok -------, there was a bug that meant that each time you warped to an escalation it reset the 24hr timer. This has now been fixed so that the escalation dungeon will expire 24hrs after it is first entered

One of the CCPs in the help channel on the morning of the patch said this was a bug fix. Can look over logs this evening for a quote. No screenshot so take it or leave it.

Found it:
[ 2014.01.28 15:14:33 ] CCP Lebowski > Ok -------, there was a bug that meant that each time you warped to an escalation it reset the 24hr timer. This has now been fixed so that the escalation dungeon will expire 24hrs after it is first entered

i ran 2 6/10's yesterday, neither reset to 24 hours on warpin

LOL pretty sure they used to tout that as a feature. Now it's a bug. CCP you so funny.

I would accept this not being fixed far more easily if CCP would also be so kind as to change the escalation code to not reliably 100% of the time choose to change regions if a region happens to be in reach.

I have not ever had an escalation from my system in Vale go anywhere but geminate and my playtime is primetime for many of the entities living in geminate, and they are hostile to me, and sometimes its just not feasible to do the escalation in the one play session.

Greetings, GM The Doctor here.

Thank you for contacting Customer Support. Our apologies for the delayed response but we are currently seeing a heavy load of incoming tickets which results in a slower response time than normally. We appreciate your patience. I'm afraid that CCP Customer Support can not assist with recovering lost exploration complexes, nor can compensation be provided for potential profits. Expeditions are designed to be completed in quick and rapid succession and they can end at any time, be it due to hitting a dead end or due to a time limit being reached.

No specific exploration complexes are guaranteed to last for very long so we can only suggest that you seek out new ones to make the ISK profits you desire. If you have any additional matters or questions that we may be able to provide assistance in solving, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

With regards,
GM The Doctor
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514

After having discussed this matter with our senior staff, it would appear that the inability to extend the timer on certain complexes is by design. As such we may only recommend that expeditions be run with all due haste upon being received. If you have any other issues or questions that we may be able to provide assistance in solving, please let us know.

With regards,
GM The Doctor
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514

PS: And no, expeditions are randomly in neighbor constellations where you get the expedition assigned. FSP's are spawned 1 constellation away from the last stage was done.

Sorry but i should say. up to 1 constellatiion away. Maybe its only icelandic random but never got an expedition more than 1 constellation away.

Don't really know if this is a good or bad thing...

It's was very useful, but it almost seemed like an exploit being able to keep the site alive for ever, i don't think the mechanic was designed to work that way.

Exploit how ? Once you kill the rats once don't they stay dead ? Buying yourself more time was needed especially if you wanted to prepare for the final parts or had RL to attend to.


Anyone in favour of "no timer resets" are obviously no lifers.

Exploit how ? Once you kill the rats once don't they stay dead ? Buying yourself more time was needed especially if you wanted to prepare for the final parts or had RL to attend to.


Anyone in favour of "no timer resets" are obviously no lifers.

Sorry but i should say. up to 1 constellatiion away. Maybe its only icelandic random but never got an expedition more than 1 constellation away.

Thank you for contacting Customer Support. Our apologies for the delayed response but we are currently seeing a heavy load of incoming tickets which results in a slower response time than normally. We appreciate your patience. I'm afraid that CCP Customer Support can not assist with recovering lost exploration complexes, nor can compensation be provided for potential profits. Expeditions are designed to be completed in quick and rapid succession and they can end at any time, be it due to hitting a dead end or due to a time limit being reached.

No specific exploration complexes are guaranteed to last for very long so we can only suggest that you seek out new ones to make the ISK profits you desire. If you have any additional matters or questions that we may be able to provide assistance in solving, please do not hesitate to contact us again.

After having discussed this matter with our senior staff, it would appear that the inability to extend the timer on certain complexes is by design. As such we may only recommend that expeditions be run with all due haste upon being received. If you have any other issues or questions that we may be able to provide assistance in solving, please let us know.

We in Customer Support are not able to discuss or make any decisions in relations to game or art design. Our influence over game design and art decisions is limited. Additionally, requests filed through the support ticket system are seen by a lone GM, rather than a forum post, which is seen by dozens if not hundreds of players, including multiple developers.

I would therefore encourage you to post your feedback and ideas on the EVE forums for further discussion. Members of the Dev team really do constantly monitor the forums to get feedback from players, and you may find discussing your idea with other players can help improve it as well. Here again is a link to the Features and Ideas forum section:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=270

We have many examples of suggestions there making it into the game, so we'd again encourage you to use this channel, as it is both the correct one, and the most effective too.

Alternatively, you can bring the matter up before the CSM in the Assembly Hall section of the EVE Online forums:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=topics&f=267

If you have any other questions or problems, please let me know and I'll be happy to assist you further.

Im a very new player, but to me, this seems a good change, aimed at fixing a pretty inconsistent buglike and exploitative tasting "resetting" of the expedition timer. (Not to mention some apparent farm potential that I dont understand, but has been mentiined in this thread, which is just flat out terrible exploitatiin of broken mechanics)

From my new player perspective, and overall from the flavor of "do or be damned, or be damned while doing" nature of EVE, I like it.

I still soil my pants going on low sec expedition stages. And rightly so.

Either do the expedition within the time constraints set, or lose them.
Everything else is QQ and whine, and frankly, unbecoming of an EVE player, even as I perceive this game as a new one.

If I may be so bold as a noob, and Im probably not the first, but I sayeth onto ye:
Do em, or lose em!

Frankly, Im more than a little surprised and even ashamed to read such venerable Vets complaining about something that is so obviously implemented to return some hard deadlines and hard edge to EVE, for which it is famous.

What does however, concern me, is that Ive done about 5 Lookouts without a single Commander or escalation.
But again, that is from me, only so much QQ and whine. And Ill simply deal with it, till I get one.
After 10, I might be more vocal, but primarilly Ill just stop doing them instead, and focus on other potentiql instead, of which there is no end in EVE.

While I would tend to agree that the old way, where you could keep resetting the 24 hour timer may have been a bit too much, it seems to have swung a bit too far in the other direction. Now that you only have 24 hours total it can make things too hard.

Given that you soil yourself in LS, I won't bore you with the details of how you could need more than 24 hours especially in a 0.0 escalation.

I mean even a mobile depot gets a 2 day reinforcement timer.

What specifically do you need more than 24hrs for in a 0.0 escalation?

On the depot timer, though offtopic, I tend to think its a bit long, but its fundamentally different from an escalation as its a player aquired asset that may contain substantial assets within it or be central to a players strategy in a region. Players need time, due to IRL constraints, to react to an attack on that ingame.

Im a very new player, but to me, this seems a good change, aimed at fixing a pretty inconsistent buglike and exploitative tasting "resetting" of the expedition timer. (Not to mention some apparent farm potential that I dont understand, but has been mentiined in this thread, which is just flat out terrible exploitatiin of broken mechanics)

From my new player perspective, and overall from the flavor of "do or be damned, or be damned while doing" nature of EVE, I like it.

I still soil my pants going on low sec expedition stages. And rightly so.

Either do the expedition within the time constraints set, or lose them.
Everything else is QQ and whine, and frankly, unbecoming of an EVE player, even as I perceive this game as a new one.

If I may be so bold as a noob, and Im probably not the first, but I sayeth onto ye:
Do em, or lose em!

Frankly, Im more than a little surprised and even ashamed to read such venerable Vets complaining about something that is so obviously implemented to return some hard deadlines and hard edge to EVE, for which it is famous.

What does however, concern me, is that Ive done about 5 Lookouts without a single Commander or escalation.
But again, that is from me, only so much QQ and whine. And Ill simply deal with it, till I get one.
After 10, I might be more vocal, but primarilly Ill just stop doing them instead, and focus on other potentiql instead, of which there is no end in EVE.

Not only that, the sites couldn't be farmed or exploited since they wouldn't re-set with downtime.

I like the change. Exploration has become too easy. This change makes it a tiny bit harder.

I don't like the stealth nature of the change. Stealth changes are always a bad idea (mainly because they feed people's paranoia about other stealth changes).

CCP has made a number of changes recently that make exploration much much easier (and changes years ago as well, but let's not go back that far). Just the addition of mobile depots more than offsets this nerf to the escalation timer reset mechanic. It really is trivially easy to travel, even through hostile space to get to your escalations. You don't even need to plan for timezones, or the timezones of hostiles, since you can just cruise through in a cloaky, nullified, nano-fit T3, then refit to your plex fit when you get there. Being able to scan the overseer then wait until after downtime to try to get better loot was a bullshit exploit (which you can still do, but only once).

Im interested. Wouldnt bore me.

What specifically do you need more than 24hrs for in a 0.0 escalation?

yeah, keep thinking that ...

I already tried to hint at what i think acually might be the reason why CCP changed the timer thing. It used to be something not much talked about, until we got the new prof sites and the widely accepted use of cargo scanners in these. Now i think it is reasonable to assume that also more people used this 'mechanic' on other things than scatter cans and it might have actually surfaced as a cheeky method (in the same vein as DSPs).

I used it myself quite often, still thought it's a cheeky mechanic.

Long story short - maybe like with jump clones, CCP could think of the problems that 24 hrs timers produce for people that have a life. I don't know ... make it 36 hrs or 48 and for me it would be all right.
If loot wouldn't be newly rolled after each dt or scanning the dudes wouldn't work (you could code that, same as some ewar doesn't work on them), then i think there wouldn't have been any problem that needed changing the timers.

I highly doubt a lot of people would scan the Overseer, wait for DT, scan the Overseer again, wait another DT, scan again, etc, up to 7 days. I never bothered with it since I wanted to complete the site asap in order to get out of the system and do more probing.

I highly doubt a lot of people would scan the Overseer, wait for DT, scan the Overseer again, wait another DT, scan again, etc, up to 7 days. I never bothered with it since I wanted to complete the site asap in order to get out of the system and do more probing.

everyone i talked to would routinely do it for every single escalation they got. And i see no reason to not do it when the difference in many cases can be quite huge.

whether you scan the overseer depends a lot on how fast you can access it. If I got a DED 9/10 part 3, or a serpentis 10/10 for example, and the location was safely accessible, I would definitely scan the heck out of it each day. I can see perhaps why CCP would want to nerf this for DED escalations from anomalies. Firstly because people running anomalies have safe space, secondly because they're running them anyway and en masse, third because these DED escalations from anomalies are only one jump, and lastly because of this farming business.

What I don't like is how this affects escalations from unrated complexes. Such escalations have multiple stages, you only get one chance at the escalation from the base site, rather than sitting around your safe ratting system. The escalations have a chance to fail. Finally, the escalations from unrated sites are much more difficult than the DED escalations you get from anomalies. And the rewards are lower anyway, because there is no OPE. I don't feel this change could come from someone who has their finger on the pulse of the exploration community.