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Flamespar
Woof Club
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:01:00 -
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How dare you all complain about CCP spending resources on a monument. Shame on you all.
Now please excuse me whilst I go enjoy my modular POS after doing some ring mining with the new direct X 11 effects, I think I may even drop by the 10 year vet station to catch up with mates in a player establishment and play with some custom paint jobs for my ship.
Oh wait...
But at least we got a monument .. right ... right?
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
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Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate
Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:09:00 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:
As I said before, I have worn the uniform of my country. Many of those whom I trained with and served with have died wearing that uniform. Claiming that having your (fake) name on a stone alongside that of some 40 year old manchild living in his parents' basement and playing EVE in his underwear (you know there's at least one of them in this game) just because you played a computer game for a few years is somehow an honor equal to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice defending the home they love is an insult to the memory of the fallen.
That is the idea that enrages me, and it is that idea that I am railing against. The fact that some here cannot see how self important and disgusting that idea is shakes my faith in humanity. I knew some aspects of EVE attracted certain personalities, but this is by far the worst attitude I have seen come out of this game: to inflate one's own importance to equate your engaging in a hobby with the actions of those who fight for and die for the rights of others.
Monuments are built for more than just soldiers who died in wars, you know. Monument
Something erected in memory of a person, event, etc., as a building, pillar, or statue: the Washington Monument.
Any enduring evidence or notable example of something: a monument to human ingenuity.And people's names get put on such monuments for more reasons than dying during military service.
Of course, but that does not make them equal honors. Even among those monuments that are not military related, they are generally erected for one of two reasons: to memorialize those who have died (usually in some tragedy), or to commemorate some great accomplishment or event. How does playing a computer game measure up to either of these conditions? Those who died and are being included did not die because of EVE, they were just players like the rest of us, so the monument's purpose is clearly not memorializing those lost in a tragedy. Also, wasting countless hours playing a computer game is an enjoyable pastime, but certainly not a noteworthy accomplishment deserving of international acclaim. So in what way is this monument like any other with names etched into it? It's not even going to display any real names; they're all fictional characters. How many monuments like that are there in the world, and how many people actually care?
With regards to the military comparison, this is the sort of idea I'm referring to:
Aeril Malkyre wrote:This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone. To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it  (boldface added for emphasis)
I'm sure not everyone who likes this monument think that it is just as meaningful as a monument to fallen soldiers, but clearly some do. It is these few whose ideas I find utterly revolting.
My point is that you can build whatever you want, but don't make the mistake of thinking that makes it (or you) important.
Why a switch on/off?
Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying.
In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless.
Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:22:00 -
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My main problem with this is the cost !
Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city.
What does this cost ???
3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ??? 
How many new devs could this have paid for.... How many new ingame features....
I doubt the people resubbing to get their name ingraved could possibly cover the expense of constructing this.
As for publicity, Eve received a huge amount of free publicity in mainstream media from the null sec battle a week ago. That is the way you market the game and get new people excited and subscribing. (that and you know ..advertising... new INGAME FEATURES!)
Conning old bitter vets to resub to get their name on a momument is not the way. Most likely they will promptly quit again when the realise the same eve problems remain.
I think a monument is cool and worthwhile but not something so massive and grand that costs a fortune!
To those who are saying that its nice that CCP recognise their player base this way. Thats like saying Im going to drive around in a ferrai with your name on the number plate but you have to pay for the ferrai ! Its the subscription money that pays for this !
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á| zoonr-Korsairs |-á QFT ! |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13672
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:22:00 -
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grr CCP stop being proud of what you have accomplished I play this game to be angry dambit what are you doing
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
13672
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:23:00 -
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helana Tsero wrote:My main problem with this is the cost !
Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city.
What does this cost ???
3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ???
How many new devs could this have paid for.... How many new ingame features.... I doubt the people resubbing to get their name ingraved could possibly cover the expense of constructing this. As for publicity, Eve received a huge amount of free publicity in mainstream media from the null sec battle a week ago. That is the way you market the game and get new people excited and subscribing. (that and you know ..advertising... new INGAME FEATURES!) Conning old bitter vets to resub to get their name on a momument is not the way. Most likely they will promptly quit again when the realise the same eve problems remain. I think a monument is cool and worthwhile but not something so massive and grand that costs a fortune! To those who are saying that its nice that CCP recognise their player base this way. Thats like saying Im going to drive around in a ferrai with your name on the number plate but you have to pay for the ferrai ! Its the subscription money that pays for this !
Actually it cost 9 million jillion billion dollars
we could have colonised 11 star systems but this seemed more important
1 Kings 12:11
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
124
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:29:00 -
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I, for one, am delighted.
My first reaction was "wut?", but then a smile crept on my face that hasn't left yet.
I mean, just the jokes potential alone! I'm on my way to see friends at the moment, I plan to burst in and announce that I have monumental news!
Seriously, games come and go. One day, Eve won't exist anymore. But this will remain. And that is quite something. |
Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Northern Associates.
40
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:31:00 -
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Its an interesting design, I do think the 'square pyramid' does look like it is of Caldari construction. Personally not sure about the 'curved obelisk' but then I have been told I have no taste  . Would love to see the logos for the 4 empires carved into the top of each side the pyramid.
I also just wanted to say thank you for thinking about those friends we have sadly lost over the last 10 years. I seem to remember a Dev passed away a few years ago, I hope they are to be included on the monument too. |
Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
114
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:40:00 -
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Somthing for WOW players...
Zuma rock
If it bleed we can kill it. |
Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
339
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:41:00 -
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too much to ask to have a monument eve related ?
.. ccp sometimes ...
RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome.
Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
White Mountain Coalition
992
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:43:00 -
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Bienator II wrote:can i have one for my garden?
monument4plex
We could have a usb hub version for our desktops.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
441
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:47:00 -
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helana Tsero wrote:My main problem with this is the cost ! [b] Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city. What does this cost ??? 3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ???
Yeah.... in the real world (the world outside the US, yes there is a world outside the US) a statue like that probably wouldn't cost more than... a guestimate... 10.000 dollars. At most.
Which, in the grand sceme of things, isn't all that much. A single one of those fired employees would have gotten to keep his job for like 3 or 4 months longer for that sort of money.
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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
CODE.
609
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:49:00 -
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I expected a crappy useless mobile app
I hoped for some glimpses about the secret projects the CSM could not talk about
I got trolled with a monument
10/10 |
Brad314
Prospero's Island
11
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:54:00 -
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Smells like Icelandic tax break to me. |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1708
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:02:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:grr CCP stop being proud of what you have accomplished I play this game to be angry dambit what are you doing
haters gonna hate
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
Winter Expansion new ship request |
Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:15:00 -
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Playing a video game, even one as engrossing as EVE, is hardly some sort of lifetime achievement or anything. My concern is that by celebrating it in a manner normally reserved for the big events of history we are sending the wrong message, both to the players and the outside world.
Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. A monument usually commemorates something significant or important in local, national, or world events; and a monument to gaming would indicate to some that video games are on a similar level of importance, and something to be proud of rather than just a way to fill one's free time. The people who buy into this may be few, but it can still be damaging.
The outside world will probably get the impression that we all have just such an opinion of ourselves. The message will be that EVE players are a bunch of self important geeks who have gotten so lost in their little virtual world that they have completely lost their grip on reality. How many new players do you think are going to want to jump into a game full of delusional egotists?
I've already shown the announcements about this monument to a few friends and coworkers. Their collective reaction can be summed up by the words of one of them: "That's dumb!" They were all confused, at first thinking that it must be some sort of in-game thing. When I explained that it was to be a real monument in Iceland, they were shocked at the stupidity of it, especially after I told them how the company had been laying people off just a few months ago. They think that CCP has lost its sense of priority to say the least. There was concern that a game company would neglect the health of the game itself and instead choose to invest in sucha pointless display. One of them commented, "I keep wanting to try EVE, but then something like this happens." It was also observed that CCP "must be rather full of themselves." These are people who were excited to read about the Battle of B-R5RB, but now their opinion of the company behind the game has done a 180.
So there is my anecdotal evidence, but it may be a warning sign that this monument may not generate the sort of publicity that is good for EVE. |
Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:30:00 -
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Anticlimatic.
For a gaming development company, this is just a waste of money.
Let the Arts be funded by other organisations, and you CCP should focus on doing your job. |
Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
81
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:35:00 -
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While I'm sure this has been expressed already, I feel the need to add my voice.
Really! Really!?!
While I like monument, and the thought that went into it and what it will be. I do not think it needed a countdown clock.
At least not on the main community page for EVE Online. I personally feel you should use countdown clocks on the main page for one of a variation of announcing a new major game feature, the time when some new secret feature goes live on the server with a gentle hint to go looking for it, for a massive in game live event, or possibly as an epic April fool's joke.
But out of game activities should be covered on a different website, with just a link to a press release here. If the countdown clock had been on the CCP webpage I would be cool with that.
Now after the bitchen I do have a question?
How are you going to get 500,000 plus character names put on metal plates in less than 2 months time? |
Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries
Orion Consortium
120
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:51:00 -
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Add my name to the list of those thinking this a waste of money. If that means a fake name I use for the game ends up not being on some piece of stone I'll never see, so be it. I don't care.
But its 'marketing' I hear some people argue. It may be an attempt at marketing, but it won't successful. I don't see how CCP could ever get enough new subscriptions to pay for the cost of the monument. There is a reason no other game company has done this before. None of them were stupid enough to think it would be a successful marketing gimmick.
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MuraSaki Siki
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
46
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:12:00 -
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one questions :
Would the players in Serenity be included? |
NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
795
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:15:00 -
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Malcanis
Proof forum posting needs a Geneva Conventions |
Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance
UNITED STAR FEDERATION
40
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:27:00 -
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Magica de Plex wrote:Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused. Who are those "we" you pretend to represent? Speak for yourself, tyvm.
if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing. |
Myxx
674
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Posted - 2014.02.06 03:08:00 -
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hey, cool. i was expecting a falcon troll.
instead its a pretty cool monument with an awesome concept. |
SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
4
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:05:00 -
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Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . . |
Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation
DemSal Unlimited
820
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:21:00 -
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Quote:Ozymandias
I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear --
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.'
Percy Bysshe Shelley
Personally I like it. But then I may see it differently than you do.
I agree as a marketing ploy it is weak. But I don't see it as that.
I see it as a thank you to the players of a game that has outlasted all expectations of the market. That keeps growing and evolving (Don't tell Ken Ham)
It may have some ego in it but I like to think it invites ALL of us to be a part of that pride. Otherwise it would just have CCP names on it.
My mother made a donation to the Trans Canada trail and my name is etched in marble, a few miles from my house. I take a bit of pride in that it will be there long after I a gone. In the same way I will like to know that my name will be on another island, far far from where I am.
I like it
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |
Ashala Arcsylver
Gypsy Rose Mining
Arcsylver Mining Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:24:00 -
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Thank you CCP for acknowledging the players who have helped make Eve what it is today. I look forward to maybe someday being able to afford a trip to Fanfest to see this artwork and finding my Characters name on it.
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Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance
UNITED STAR FEDERATION
40
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:36:00 -
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SIrera Artrald wrote:Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . .
land costs money... so unless they were given the land or building it at there headquarters.... They would have to buy it.... That isn't cheep..
also do u even know how much that stuff costs in large volumes + cost of building..
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
11014
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:34:00 -
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Also what would be pretty neat is if the year of birth is next to the pilot name eg John Doe/05 or similar, not sure if that would fit though but it would be nice to have that info apart from the name, adding some more depth into it.
/c
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics
CODE.
1157
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:51:00 -
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Eve players, we can find reason to ***** about anything. Never change, guys.
As for the monument..a piece of art in Iceland with my character name on it, pretty nifty.
Kind of silly to be whinging about the cost, too. Pretty sure CCP is getting a good deal all-round for it. Being a pretty reasonable chunk of your countries GDP gives you some perks when it comes to stuff like this.
The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |
Magica de Plex
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:12:00 -
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Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:Magica de Plex wrote:Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused. Who are those "we" you pretend to represent? Speak for yourself, tyvm. if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing.
Where do you get those numbers from? At least now you can write "I" when you mean yourself, which is progress I guess, but throwing those numbers around show once more you really are disconnected from reality. Arguments are best based on facts, or your view on facts, and not making stuff up as you go along.
Personally I think it's way cool. One day the servers will shut down, but that monument will stand. |
Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:21:00 -
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jolanai wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Some day, ... I'll constantly bicker on about how things used to be better in my days and that game companies used to value their customers until they can recite everything tehy said in their sleep. Is this your CSM application? If so, you have my vote.
Lol, that came unexpected. 
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |
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