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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2014.02.05 14:18:00 -
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With the announcement of Worlds Within a World, we would like to have a place where the monument and the project can be discussed by the community.
Please use this thread for comments, feedback and discussion in the run up the unveiling at Fanfest 2014. CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
@CCP_Falcon -á || -á-á@EVE_LiveEvents |
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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1706
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:13:00 -
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1st
ah cool its a giant golden calf... i am sure moses will be thrilled  There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

MuraSaki Siki
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
46
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:13:00 -
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great RL event :D
the hyperlink in http://eve.com/monument-about-the-monument
"More on the time capsule will be announced at www.eve.com/monument " <= this hyperlink is broken |

KwaLevu
PH0ENIX COMPANY Cult of War
11
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:13:00 -
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it looks caldari the artist should be given a drake and sent to the nearest lowsec system for us to welcome to EVE |

polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:14:00 -
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2nd |

Anomaly One
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
217
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:14:00 -
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Nice monument CCP if anything goes wrong again in EvE can we shoot that one now ? Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC |

Ilunes Lailara
Aggressive Diplomacy
10
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:14:00 -
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Underwhelming. Please do not use timers for this kind of stuff, would have thought it was cooler if I wasn't disappointed. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1428
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:14:00 -
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needs batteries! ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:14:00 -
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Awesome proof of how shallow CCP has become. Game it's broken. Uh oh let's build a monument cause we are amazing.
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jolanai
Holy Crusaders of Bob Ocularis Inferno
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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While I think the monument is awesome, the method of advertising it leaves a great deal to be desired.
trollololol, you got us CCP, but disappointment is still disappointment. |

polly papercut
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
70
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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Ilunes Lailara wrote:Underwhelming. Please do not use timers for this kind of stuff, would have thought it was cooler if I wasn't disappointed. I agree don't use a damp 2 week timer for stuff not game related. |

Tarpedo
Incursionista
1075
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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I think this boring and featureless statue symbolize EVE expansions. |

Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
172
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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It is really really cool and we really really didn't need a counter for it.
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Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
432
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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Assuming it's not a huge CCP troll:
That's truly cool, nice one |

Rhatar Khurin
Happy Asteroid Ltd
497
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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Pretty cool!
"The monument will stand atop a half meter tall metal-plated concrete platform that will have the names of all the GÇ£main charactersGÇ¥ of all active EVE Online players etched upon it. This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions. In addition, CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument"
Sweet.
and that timecapsule laptop with stuffz on it. |

Chopper Rollins
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
528
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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10/10 troll, probably will get trolled again
Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good. |

Ele Rebellion
Underground Coalition
16
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:15:00 -
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Only need one monument in that harbor. http://www.grapevine.is/media/w490/612343177c078f4.jpg
And the stupid owners went and had the blasted things raised.. |

Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
138
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:16:00 -
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I can't really imagine anyone caring.
Couldn't the money put into erecting this thing have paid a dev to fix some of the abandoned content in this game :/
Edit : Monument should just have been a concrete door that never opens. It's more representative of their development style :) Standing Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding - MD Experiment
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Findell Ronuken
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:17:00 -
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what a giant waste of money typical ccp wasting money on things not related to eve in any way even when the game is broken |

Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
433
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 -
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The http://eve.com/monument link works for me |

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
721
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 -
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CCP trolled all of you with that timer. haha
tbh, expected more than this thing. |

Hunter Anubis
The Black Hand Fleet The Black Planets
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 -
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Giant waste of money here is literaly my response
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-wGd2NtdnflY/UQ5C3j9bXOI/AAAAAAAAI9U/ErAkjFd5KBY/s1600/citizen-kane-clapping.jpg |

I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
1013
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 -
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Add lasers to it. Would make it look more cool if you did. |

Gilles Navarien
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
35
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 -
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Did you HONESTLY think we would be so excited about this complete crap that you had to put a ******* countdown up for a week? Do you not have a marketing department? Do they have any training or education?
I was well prepared for yet another crap expansion annoucement, but clearly my standards are WAY TOO ******* HIGH. |

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1707
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:18:00 -
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So CCP will give everyone a painball gun... that way when fanfest comes and we freak out about some new feature we dont like we can riot and shoot a monument in real life. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
984
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:19:00 -
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Sounds like a troll. Sounds like a way to squeeze the more money possible out of inactive players. Otherwise you would've put the registering of active players this week end, and not in a month.
It didn't desserve a countdown.
Meanwhile we are still waiting for CCP to produce real content. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |

Angelica Dreamstar
Epic Boo Bees
465
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:19:00 -
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Well the counter was really trollish, but we deserve that.....
I like it. You have my thumbs, toes and nipples up! :D EVE ONLINE: The universe is ours!- Join the Epic Boo Bees! (RP,PvE/PvP,wardecs,new players!)You are at it from day 0! |

Chad Wylder
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:19:00 -
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The way I'm seeing it:
Wedge structure = Caldari Dome structure = Amarr Mirror = Gallente Steel plate on the bottom = Minmatar
Also people going to Fanfest should take rubber bands so they can shoot the monument. |

Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:20:00 -
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THAT was the count down?
...
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da fuq?  |

Random McNally
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
47960
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:21:00 -
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I think it's pretty cool.
Thank you for honoring your player base, CCP! Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |

GOTBOT
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:21:00 -
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A monument.. or tombstone?
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Robertis Olacar
Touring New Eden Haven.
22
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:21:00 -
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Great idea, I even like the style of the monument. not sure the count down timer was the best way to deliver this info, but non the less I've always thought I deserved a monument with my name on it |

Vorn
EldarRiders Axiomatic Dominion
2
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:21:00 -
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So how do I make sure that my other character "Sir Captain ButtsMcFart" is the main character to be posted onto the monument? |

Billy Hix
Team JK
96
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:22:00 -
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So the sub numbers are dropping and you need a way to give them a temp boost. Once again CCP being run by a EA marketing guy and a guy in $1000 Japanese pants are more manipulation and marketing rather than substance.
10 year anniversary was a money grab to start with (All the new stuff being tied behind the collectors edition) and a money grab at the end (Sub now or your name wont be on a rock most of you will never see)
I'm not even mad, the sad thing is this is business as usual for CCP nowadays. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2204
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:22:00 -
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How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Zanzibar Heroshima
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
29
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:22:00 -
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It's two people banging their heads against a wall. It's perfect! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2297
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:23:00 -
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It will be interesting to see if some of the... unique... names of the EVE playerbase end up on that plaque. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
207
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:23:00 -
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Wow, people are really butthurt over this, huh?
Can I have your stuffs when you cancel your 20 accounts? |

embrel
BamBam Inc.
118
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:23:00 -
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why should I care that a monument is erected in Iceland? if you'd put in on the moon, maybe... |

Jonn Hakuli
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:23:00 -
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Nice work. I'd love to see it in person one day (brazilian here) :)
I also love these "time capsules" stuff.
10 years and counting for a video game is really remarkable. Keep your roots strong CCP !
o7 |

TedStriker
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:23:00 -
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Hm, not complaining really.
Just a question: when are you planning to stop celebrating your first years of accomplishments (the last 4 for sure are not to count)?
I'm eager to see you swinging the whip and doing something great again, not resting on your past accomplishments. Yes, you hurt yourself with Incarna, Dust and WoD (all failed as of now). You decided to GIVE UP the dream of a fully integrated game and split up your projects into different games/platforms. Thats just what everyone else does too, nothing special about that tbh.
So, the monument is nice for looking back, but when will you start locking ahead again, and letting us know about it? |

DeadRow
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
207
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:24:00 -
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Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:It's two people banging their heads against a wall. It's perfect!
You git! Stealing my description of it! |

jolanai
Holy Crusaders of Bob Ocularis Inferno
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:24:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:Wow, people are really butthurt over this, huh?
Can I have your stuffs when you cancel your 20 accounts?
Would you like to join our wormhole corp? Just contract me your stuff and I'll move it for you. |

Ronny Hugo
Dark Fusion Industries Limitless Inc.
47
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:24:00 -
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I have a slight lump in my throat, know of a few fallen comrades, many that i have never even spoken to but that were known to many. Ten years of getting to know epic people, and I have only been here just under 3 years, I can't imagine how much it means to some veterans. I just hope the names will be randomly placed, not so that it goes A to Z either from top to bottom, or bottom to top. And that the fallen have their own location. Not disappointed! |

Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1468
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:25:00 -
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This would go beter of without a timer.  |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2422
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:26:00 -
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It's nicer than you'd expect from a statue about a video game. Instead of a giant space marine or something.
The 'quote from the EVE universe' isn't going to be 'can I have your stuff', I hope? |

Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
984
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:26:00 -
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TedStriker wrote: I'm eager to see you swinging the whip and doing something great again, not resting on your past accomplishments.
So, the monument is nice for looking back, but when will you start locking ahead again, and letting us know about it?
So much this.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking. |

Mynutor
Black Box Technologies
46
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:27:00 -
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I am disappointed.
Although I must admit, this is way better than a World of Darkness announcement. |

ChromeStriker
The Riot Formation Fatal Ascension
691
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:27:00 -
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damn cool i say
Nulla Curas |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2423
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:27:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base. can you engrave my name above his plz |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3081
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:28:00 -
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here's the thing about using a timer - no matter what the end result is, people are almost without exception going to wind up feeling disappointed because the goodies they imagine lurking beyond 00:00:00 will always be better than the actual unveil. They will ALWAYS imagine that the countdown is leading up to the announcement that everything they have ever expressed a desire for in every forum post will be implemented. Were people seriously expecting this to be a countdown to "EVE: the Make Everything Magically Perfect For Everyone Expansion"?
So go ahead and use timers, if you want to! It doesn't matter what you put at the end, somebody will be underwhelmed, but that's life.
For my part, I'm whelmed. I remember thinking the monument was a great idea when it was discussed at Fanfest last year. "Worlds Within a World" will definitely be on my itinerary next time I'm in Reykjavik.
Here's to the next ten years. Maybe in 2024 we can launch a tribute to EVE into orbit around the moon! An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
115
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:28:00 -
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Dear CCP,
When you have a 1 week timer for big news I, as a small part of the Community, expect you to focus on itterating on the GAME.
Regards,
A Freelancer
PS: the eve monument was announced at fanfest 2013, why rehash it when you got nothing new to say about the game. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Hevymetal
POT Corp Semper Ardens Alliance
200
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:29:00 -
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Not a bad idea, I think it's a nice tribute to the EVE playerbase.
Will this statue be replicated ingame as say a floating monument around Jita 4-4? |

Rudgier Thorrin
Noob Constructions LTD
16
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:29:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
In b4 people having no idea what a marketing budget is.
I think it's actually a good way to get some publicity in the media and maby attract new players. Doubful the extra income from selling PLEX/GTCs will cover the price of the monuments, so it's probably not a short-term cash grab.
That said, Hilmar in viking garb would be more awesome 
EDIT: also I think that the whole timer-hype was pretty hilarous. > Implying I need a signature |

Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:29:00 -
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I have no problem with an 'artistic' sculpture, if CCP wants to build one, go for it. Personally, I think its ugly and in no way represents the game, or Icelandic culture.
But did we need REALLY a countdown for it?
The counter seems like total vanity and narcissism to me. |

S1euth
The Graduates RAZOR Alliance
38
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:29:00 -
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They said they were building a monument and within a year, they built a monument. It will look good in the harbor and be a place for people to remember the beginnings of MMOs for hundreds of years; or until the next Volcano.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints
788
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:30:00 -
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Nice try trying to slip this by, shame I thought CCP was somewhat independent but seems it's controlled by the same people as the big corporations and following the same agenda.
http://i.imgur.com/iwFtZP3.jpg |

Erin Crawford
25
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:31:00 -
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DeadRow wrote:Zanzibar Heroshima wrote:It's two people banging their heads against a wall. It's perfect! You git! Stealing my description of it!
I had to lol when i saw that too! Question is who do the who heads represent? The player base? CCP? Both? 
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13627
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:31:00 -
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Imiarr Timshae wrote:I can't really imagine anyone caring.
Couldn't the money put into erecting this thing have paid a dev to fix some of the abandoned content in this game :/
Edit : Monument should just have been a concrete door that never opens. It's more representative of their development style :)
Hahah I told CCP that at least one idiot would make this stupid whiny argument.
1 Kings 12:11
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Mammoth Akachi
Capital Storm. JIHADASQUAD
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:31:00 -
[60] - Quote
I personally think It's fairly cool. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
904
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:31:00 -
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Some day, I'll have snotty little grandchildren and I'll drag them along on my pilgrimage to that monument and I'll insist on walking there all the way from the airport around the whole island (just to annoy them) to the monument and I'll constantly bicker on about how things used to be better in my days and that game companies used to value their customers until they can recite everything tehy said in their sleep.
And when we're at the monument, I'll point at my name and say "That was me!" and then they'll ask "But grandpa, why is that a womans name?" and I'll turn beet red and walk away, silently muttering on about the ungratefull little brats asking such stpuid questiuons after all I've done for them.
In short, it'll be absolutely hilarious and my family will talk about how I trolled them even two generations after I am dead.  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Silent Rambo
State Protectorate Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:31:00 -
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Ilunes Lailara wrote:Underwhelming. Please do not use timers for this kind of stuff, would have thought it was cooler if I wasn't disappointed.
Basically this. Its cool, but the countdown built up mystery that couldn't be satisfied with something I will probably never see. This is a "nice to have" thing, nothing we wanted or needed, and the countdown kinda made the impact of the announcement more disappointing even though it is cool. Changes to the game You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13627
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:33:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base.
How many old players will resub to get their name on the monument? How many will stick around for a while when they see how much has changed in EVE since they played? How many extra devs will CCP be able to afford with all this extra sub money?
And most importantly of all, how will all this nerf hi-sec?
1 Kings 12:11
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2423
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:33:00 -
[64] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Nice try trying to slip this by, shame I thought CCP was somewhat independent but seems it's controlled by the same people as the big corporations and following the same agenda. http://i.imgur.com/iwFtZP3.jpg thankfully there are people who are not unwilling to uncover THE TRUTH
o7 |

Sister Night
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:33:00 -
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Monument is pretty cool tbh, but in all honesty it would probably have been alot more well received without the dramatic countdown lol |

Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3081
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
Just to confirm that Malcanis is winning all of my future votes right now. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
10
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:36:00 -
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Eh, its an internet forum, so I guess the negativity should be expected.
For my part: its not at all what I was expecting. And its a little strange in some ways, but that might be because I've never before heard of a monument honoring gamers... Fallen soldiers, drowned sailors, etc. yes, but us ? I'm not 100% sure we deserve it.
If anything, its a little overwhelming. That the city of Reykjavik and CCP would honor us IRL in such a way is, to me, quite humbling.
Cheers to the monument, may it stand the test of time. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
905
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:36:00 -
[68] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Nice try trying to slip this by, shame I thought CCP was somewhat independent but seems it's controlled by the same people as the big corporations and following the same agenda. http://i.imgur.com/iwFtZP3.jpg
 Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1356
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:36:00 -
[69] - Quote
Crazy mothernuckers!
Love it! Got the chills running down my spine. 
Both thumbs up.
Also: stiff nipples. |

FluffyDice
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
606
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:37:00 -
[70] - Quote
How will you be defining a persons main character and will you be using the name of one per account or selecting a main from multiple? |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
406
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:37:00 -
[71] - Quote
Stupid short term money grab, "getting players to resub for their name on it."

Useless idea.
My favorite part is the crappy article by Ripard justifying it, headlined with "We're All Building This Together" - along with a random picture of our useless CSM's.
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
468
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:37:00 -
[72] - Quote
CCP, would love to see a special place for players like this. Would you like to know more? |

Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
139
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:40:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I can't really imagine anyone caring.
Couldn't the money put into erecting this thing have paid a dev to fix some of the abandoned content in this game :/
Edit : Monument should just have been a concrete door that never opens. It's more representative of their development style :) Hahah I told CCP that at least one idiot would make this stupid whiny argument.
And I told my friends that at least one CSM member would pickout "Maybe develop the game more instead of building monuments lol" as a "stupid whiny argument". Shows what we know  Standing Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding - MD Experiment
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Coran Heisler
The Painful Truth
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:40:00 -
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I really like the monument. Good design, way better than the first ones shown on Fan Fest 2013. The Timer was a great idea too. 
It is somewhat disappointing to see how rude people become when reality does not live up to their expectations, then again I didn't expect anything else from certain parts of the EVE community. 
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Simon Page
The Scope Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:40:00 -
[75] - Quote
This is definitely very cool, and good IMO. I'm just wondering (serious question to CCP here), who does this benefit? The players I'm sure would rather this money be spent on the game, or given to a charity, and this can't possibly increase shareholder value. The only other possibility is that it's a pointless vanity project for management, but I'll leave absurd accusations like that to the Goon Knuckleheads & Trolls who roam these boards... |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97350
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:41:00 -
[76] - Quote
What a bunch of pessimistic, self-entitled, unimaginative DWEEBS poasting in here.
CCP should just copy the toon names of all the Haters in this thread and LEAVE THEM OFF the monument.
Easily done. And I hope they do.
It's a beautiful structure and a great idea, and I can't wait to visit it sometime in the future.
I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company.
Frankly, I'm impressed. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
406
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:44:00 -
[77] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company.
You've never heard of management engaging in vanity projects?
Are you joking?
It's not "for the customers."
It's for themselves. |

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
115
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:45:00 -
[78] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:THAT was the count down? ... ...  da fuq? 
You see this in everyday real life, when the distance between the "common people" (not ment as a derogatory term) and "the higher echelon", focus on what is important gets re-adjusted. Plus it's a good way of getting your face and name in the newspapers. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
736
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:46:00 -
[79] - Quote
Dammit. Now I'm gonna have to go to Iceland . Now, is there anything else to see in Iceland worth the trip so I don't have to admit to wifey that, secretly, it's all about the monument? |

knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
322
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:47:00 -
[80] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company. .
Richard Garriot took my name to space. Beat that. |

Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
1356
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:48:00 -
[81] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about?
It would have more value to more of the player base.
Why I ask again, are you still here?
Just think of it, it's simple, we play to be immortal pilots, now we will become truly immortal both in and out of game. If you don't like it, please, unsubscribe before March, you negative dumb ass.  |

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
115
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:50:00 -
[82] - Quote
So TTP that Monument at the earliest Fanfest is... ?  Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Taranogas 3rd
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:51:00 -
[83] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What a bunch of pessimistic, self-entitled, unimaginative DWEEBS poasting in here.
CCP should just copy the toon names of all the Haters in this thread and LEAVE THEM OFF the monument.
Easily done. And I hope they do.
It's a beautiful structure and a great idea, and I can't wait to visit it sometime in the future.
I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company.
Frankly, I'm impressed.
this 100 times. Can't believe people are actually complaining about this, it's amazing! Damn i'm so jelly right now want mah name on it hahaha. Congratulations for CCP and everyone who got mentioned! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97355
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:52:00 -
[84] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:Stupid short term money grab, "getting players to resub for their name on it."  Useless idea. My favorite part is the crappy article by Ripard justifying it, headlined with "We're All Building This Together" - along with a random picture of our useless CSM's.
Older players resubscribing is a bad thing ? REALLY ? TRULY ????
Unbelievable. Please, just leave our game. Just leave. Really. You do not deserve to be on this structure, ever.
I sure hope CCP is taking names of those who obviously are not interested and leaving them off utterly. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:53:00 -
[85] - Quote
Freelancer117 wrote:Roux Michon wrote:THAT was the count down? ... ...  da fuq?  You see this in everyday real life, when the distance between the "common people" (not ment as a derogatory term) and "the higher echelon", focus on what is important gets re-adjusted. Plus it's a good way of getting your face and name in the newspapers.
Exactly, this whole thing is a vanity project for CCP... fine, they are entitled to it if they want it. They can have gold toilets and a bidet made of ivory if they want.
But to place a counter on it, and act like its some big 'for the player' thing and expect us to get excited for it is just terribly narcissistic... I was hoping for a 'come back to eve' promotion or something that had to do with the game.
That 'monument' doesnt reflect the game at all, nor does it reflect icelandic culture at all... its some random shapes. I could have come up with a model of something more pleasing in a week.
So,
#1: The Monument is ugly, random and doesn't reflect the game or the culture that birthed it. #2: The countdown built up excitement for an announcement that is simply a CCP vanity project. #3: The majority of players are here saying 'here we go again!' and full of disappointment.
Id say someone at CCP dropped the ball on this one, I hope they are listening.
What happened to a few years ago when they Pres posted a letter, 'sorry we don't listen to you we will do better'?
I haven't played in a long time, but this announcement is pretty pathetic all around. |

Jove Death
Jovian Vengeance
467
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:53:00 -
[86] - Quote
Erm Ok
How much did CCP actually pay this guy to make this?. I mean anyone can make a dildo, ruler and a tripod and stick it next to each other.
Kinda cool but it doesnt look like anything to do with EvE. I mean shouldnt there be 4 races or 4 bits. Maybe ducktape on the end or somthing? Quoting "you will die" in EvE is fail Chars dont die in EvE. Unless you have a heart attack eek. CCP Huggin and Grimmi thanks a bunch for your typical information of nowt. Damm you CCP for making me re-sub-á |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97355
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:54:00 -
[87] - Quote
It's much more probable for me to go to Reykhavik, than to go to Jita. Ever. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Siobhan MacLeary
BRG Corp Ocularis Inferno
160
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:54:00 -
[88] - Quote
I am so completely and utterly underwhelmed, CCP. Yeah, I guess a monument is cool, but here I was thinking the timer would be counting down to some important change to EVE Online, rather than an announcement about a planned monument.
How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.
I'm disappointed, CCP, because you made such a big deal over this and it's something that doesn't actually affect a lot of us. GÇ£Point out to me a person who has been harmed by an AFK cloaker and I will point out a person who has no business playing this game.GÇ¥ - CCP Soundwave |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97355
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:55:00 -
[89] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company. You've never heard of management engaging in vanity projects? Are you joking? It's not "for the customers." It's for themselves. If it was for the customers, I would expect the money and effort to be going into the game itself, because as a customer, that's what I'm actually paying for.
Interesting that you are so impressively psychic that you "just know these things as truth". Good God. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97355
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:56:00 -
[90] - Quote
knobber Jobbler wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company. .
Richard Garriot took my name to space. Beat that.
Who's that ???? So: not impressed. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Just Lilly
146
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:56:00 -
[91] - Quote
Aight, back to the adrenaline pumping Dota 2 action
Nice hype though, well played CCP 
07 Powered by Nvidia GTX 690 |

Manic Velocity
Furious Angels
38
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:56:00 -
[92] - Quote
I'm going to have my name inscribed on a national monument. I'm kind of a big deal. == Furious Angels [FRANG] is recruiting! == Our site: http://thefuriousangels.com My blog: http://pgandt.blogspot.com
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Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1655
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:56:00 -
[93] - Quote
I was expecting to be underwhelmed. I won! :D |

jolanai
Holy Crusaders of Bob Ocularis Inferno
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:58:00 -
[94] - Quote
Debora Tsung wrote:Some day, ... I'll constantly bicker on about how things used to be better in my days and that game companies used to value their customers until they can recite everything tehy said in their sleep.
Is this your CSM application? If so, you have my vote. |

Phoenix Jones
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
412
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:59:00 -
[95] - Quote
I don't know of many things that have had monuments erected in its name.
Warcraft? There's no Great Orc statue.
Everquest? No monument to it.
Gundam... oh wait they have that 10 story Gundam statue somewhere. Stabbers are totally broken
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15116553
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Stitcher
Alexylva Paradox
3083
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:59:00 -
[96] - Quote
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.
Once upon a time, the Apoc was one of the iconic ships of EVE... then it got remodelled.
Once upon a time, the Raven was one of the iconic ships of EVE... then it got remodelled.
Once upon a time, the Tempest was one of the iconic ships of EVE... then it got remodelled.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that if you want the monument to be a permanent and unchanging tribute to all of the EVE players, then it should be a statue of a Megathron. An in-character blog and a video: http://verinsjournal.blogspot.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tu1mbsgo738
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Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:59:00 -
[97] - Quote
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.
I'm disappointed, CCP, because you made such a big deal over this and it's something that doesn't actually affect a lot of us.
^THIS.
All day long.
Where did CCP dig up their marketing and community people? Or did some Executive force this down their throats as a vanity project?
I think the latter is more of the problem.
There is an obvious disconnect between CCP and the players here. And whoever forced this project is living in a bubble far away from normal people. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97358
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Posted - 2014.02.05 15:59:00 -
[98] - Quote
Siobhan MacLeary wrote:I am so completely and utterly underwhelmed, CCP. Yeah, I guess a monument is cool, but here I was thinking the timer would be counting down to some important change to EVE Online, rather than an announcement about a planned monument.
How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.
I'm disappointed, CCP, because you made such a big deal over this and it's something that doesn't actually affect a lot of us.
Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.
It's so popular they can't hardly handle the crowds.
Time will tell all. It always does. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2425
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:00:00 -
[99] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Interesting that you are so impressively psychic that you "just know these things as truth". Good God. that one posts to sound edgy and cynical
knobber Jobbler wrote:Richard Garriot took my name to space. Beat that. perhaps we can arrange for you to be taken up and left there
Simon Page wrote:The players I'm sure would rather this money be spent on the game, or given to a charity, no a statue with me on it will be just fine |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97358
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:01:00 -
[100] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:
There is an obvious disconnect between CCP and the players here. And whoever forced this project is living in a bubble far away from normal people.
So, showing appreciation of customers is a disconnect ? OK then. Got it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Silent Rambo
State Protectorate Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:01:00 -
[101] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:What a bunch of pessimistic, self-entitled, unimaginative DWEEBS poasting in here.
CCP should just copy the toon names of all the Haters in this thread and LEAVE THEM OFF the monument.
Easily done. And I hope they do.
I really wouldn't care. It's not my actual name on the monument anyway. In 100 years is anyone really going to care about a gamer tag named "Silent Rambo" on a monument in Iceland? How is having a little perspective of how little this actually effects me now and forever being unimaginative? (I'll give you pessimistic) I understand it will bring old players back which is fantastic, but it really looks like a vanity project more then anything since there are other ways to bring old players back. You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97358
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:02:00 -
[102] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Interesting that you are so impressively psychic that you "just know these things as truth". Good God. that one posts to sound edgy and cynical
Just exactly as you just did right here. Congratulations, creep. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Kasife Vynneve
Nourwolf Corporation Fortis Et Certus
17
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:02:00 -
[103] - Quote
Chad Wylder wrote: Steel plate on the bottom = Minmatar
Only when it starts to rust |

Gyromite
Stronghold of the Condemned
2
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:04:00 -
[104] - Quote
Very touching, but useless. |

Lyell Wolf
Sleepless Guardians
52
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:05:00 -
[105] - Quote
GOTBOT wrote: A monument.. or tombstone?
That comment actually feels more valid than any of the others... that being said. I think it's really cool what CCP is doing and I'm not disappointed.
But a laptop with vids and things of EVE buried underneath a monument actually sounds like a tombstone.
//LW |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97358
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:05:00 -
[106] - Quote
Since when is customer appreciation a form of Vanity ????
vanity: excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements.
Celebrating one's playerbase does not qualify as this at all. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2425
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:05:00 -
[107] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Just exactly as you just did right here. Congratulations, creep. i say i agree with you and i get called names i accept your congratulations with thanks |

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
116
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:07:00 -
[108] - Quote
Ammzi wrote:I was expecting to be underwhelmed. I won! :D
This is CCP's "Open Door policy"  Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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ZeeWolf Novus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:07:00 -
[109] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.
It's so popular they can't hardly handle the crowds.
Time will tell all. It always does.
I really cant see myself going all the way to Iceland just to see some slabs with my name on it. Given the number of characters active in Eve right now, that'll be some small writing.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2206
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:09:00 -
[110] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base. How many old players will resub to get their name on the monument? How many will stick around for a while when they see how much has changed in EVE since they played? How many extra devs will CCP be able to afford with all this extra sub money? And most importantly of all, how will all this nerf hi-sec?
Really, you think a ton of players will burn 12 or 15 dollars/ pounds to re-sub to get their player name engraved on a rock? And I would suggest the segment of players that re-sub to get their player name immortalized will not likely be the type to hang around in the game. Whatever factors that drove them to unsub in the first place will remain. I strongly doubt that any revenue increase in subs will outweigh the costs of this venture.
I guess that CCP is actually in pretty good shape financially, if they can afford this thing.
And as for high sec being nerfed by this, I will not disappoint all my followers and detractors.
How about this as conspiracy theory
1. CCP is in great shape financially because they would not be throwing silly money at this if they were not. Because they must have some kind of cushion, that means that CCP must feel they could weather the financial storm if some significant segment of their player base quit, also known as some percentage of high sec. So the faction within CCP that wants to decimate high sec is given the blessing of Hilmar, and sweeping nerfs to high sec are implemented, and CCP takes a short term hit in subs, but with the new game mechanics, draws in every sociopath that plays video games, and Eve's sub rate doubles to 1 million in 12 months, and within 2 years, outstrips WoW.
At that point, a new monument is erected, depicting Hilmar in his flowing Nordic robes, leading the charge of the null sec cartels luminaries against some defenceless high sec miner. Such luminaries flanking Hilmar we will include the effigies of all the people that helped create this new Nirvana, like soundwave, fozzie, seagull, and mittens.
Now, is that tinfoil enough for you today, or do you need something more? Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Darth Sith
Common Sense Ltd Nulli Secunda
32
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:10:00 -
[111] - Quote
Wow .. that timer was the biggest let down I can remember .. .
I would have preferred my 10 yet vet station that was promised a year ago TBH :(
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13632
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:12:00 -
[112] - Quote
Imiarr Timshae wrote:Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I can't really imagine anyone caring.
Couldn't the money put into erecting this thing have paid a dev to fix some of the abandoned content in this game :/
Edit : Monument should just have been a concrete door that never opens. It's more representative of their development style :) Hahah I told CCP that at least one idiot would make this stupid whiny argument. And I told my friends that at least one CSM member would pickout "Maybe develop the game more instead of building monuments lol" as a "stupid whiny argument". Shows what we know 
Do you understand what marketing is, I mean as a basic concept?
1 Kings 12:11
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
407
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:12:00 -
[113] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Older players resubscribing is a bad thing ? REALLY ? TRULY ????
Obviously older players re-subbing is a great thing.
However, it's a long term fail -- this is just a publicity stunt.
Nobody will care about this.
Put in other terms: why did those players unsub to begin with? Does this monument correct those reasons?
Will they come back and say "Oh man, this monument is so great. I'm so glad I came back. Without the monument, EVE Online is just not as fun of a video game."
Really? |

ZeeWolf Novus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:13:00 -
[114] - Quote
Darth Sith wrote:Wow .. that timer was the biggest let down I can remember .. .
I would have preferred my 10 yet vet station that was promised a year ago TBH :(
I would hope that after 10 years you'd have learnt that CCP and promises don't go hand in hand. |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:13:00 -
[115] - Quote
If a player's main character is called "I hate Iceland" or something similar, would CCP still add that name to the monument? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13632
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:14:00 -
[116] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base. How many old players will resub to get their name on the monument? How many will stick around for a while when they see how much has changed in EVE since they played? How many extra devs will CCP be able to afford with all this extra sub money? And most importantly of all, how will all this nerf hi-sec? Really, you think a ton of players will burn 12 or 15 dollars/ pounds to re-sub to get their player name engraved on a rock?
I do.
1 Kings 12:11
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Ivan Stoner
Old American Syndicate Silent Infinity
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:14:00 -
[117] - Quote
I like the idea of the Monument and i don't understand why so much ppl whine here. Because last year on Fanfest they annouced that they will build a Monument and after that it becomes very quiet about that. So no wonder that CCP reannouced that.
But two thing could be done by CCP different: 1st why doesnt show CCP several different concepts about that Monument and let the Players and Devs decide which one is the better.
2nd why has this Monunemt so less reference to Eve? I personally didn't like the right structure its looks like a ***** (ty Turrann). Why not instead the Concord Station from Yulai or a Gallente Outpost i thing Jita 4-4 Station would be also good. |

Riddick Nova
EVE University Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:15:00 -
[118] - Quote
So how does CCP know who your main char is? |

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
116
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:15:00 -
[119] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Really, you think a ton of players will burn 12 or 15 dollars/ pounds to re-sub to get their player name engraved on a rock? And I would suggest the segment of players that re-sub to get their player name immortalized will not likely be the type to hang around in the game. Whatever factors that drove them to unsub in the first place will remain. I strongly doubt that any revenue increase in subs will outweigh the costs of this venture.
This is so true, I already get "Immortalized" in so many indie games because of crowdfunding, the underlying problems with Eve still exist.
Untill all these get resolved, using a 1 week timer to bring "good news" to us the customers is ridiculously out of context. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13635
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:16:00 -
[120] - Quote
Pix Severus wrote:If a player's main character is called "I hate Iceland" or something similar, would CCP still add that name to the monument?
CCP's position is that the character name has to conform to local Icelandic law, so no hatespeech bullshit or incitements to violence, but other than that if people want to immortalise themselves as xXxW33dL0rd420xXx then that's up to them.
1 Kings 12:11
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Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
140
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:16:00 -
[121] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I can't really imagine anyone caring.
Couldn't the money put into erecting this thing have paid a dev to fix some of the abandoned content in this game :/
Edit : Monument should just have been a concrete door that never opens. It's more representative of their development style :) Hahah I told CCP that at least one idiot would make this stupid whiny argument. And I told my friends that at least one CSM member would pickout "Maybe develop the game more instead of building monuments lol" as a "stupid whiny argument". Shows what we know  Do you understand what marketing is, I mean as a basic concept?
Yup. Do you know what trying to run level 5's where the acceleration gate doesn't work is like, while being told by a GM "It's completeable, you just have to fly the remaining 10,000 km to the next pocket sub-warp." ?
Standing Services - Free 3rd Party & Collateral Holding - MD Experiment
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13635
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:17:00 -
[122] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Dammit. Now I'm gonna have to go to Iceland  . Now, is there anything else to see in Iceland worth the trip so I don't have to admit to wifey that, secretly, it's all about the monument?
Nonni's, of course.
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13635
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:19:00 -
[123] - Quote
Imiarr Timshae wrote:Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:I can't really imagine anyone caring.
Couldn't the money put into erecting this thing have paid a dev to fix some of the abandoned content in this game :/
Edit : Monument should just have been a concrete door that never opens. It's more representative of their development style :) Hahah I told CCP that at least one idiot would make this stupid whiny argument. And I told my friends that at least one CSM member would pickout "Maybe develop the game more instead of building monuments lol" as a "stupid whiny argument". Shows what we know  Do you understand what marketing is, I mean as a basic concept? Yup. Do you know what trying to run level 5's where the acceleration gate doesn't work is like, while being told by a GM "It's completeable, you just have to fly the remaining 10,000 km to the next pocket sub-warp." ?
And you believe that if CCP hadn't decided to celebrate with a monument that EVE would be perfect and have no flaws?
Or are you just professionally angry?
1 Kings 12:11
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Juliette Asanari
Saeder-Krupp Trading Division
49
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:20:00 -
[124] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote: Warcraft? There's no Great Orc statue.
Actually...
http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm//wp-content/uploads/2012/10/orc_rider_sm.jpg
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2425
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:20:00 -
[125] - Quote
ZeeWolf Novus wrote:I really cant see myself going all the way to Iceland just to see some slabs with my name on it. Given the number of characters active in Eve right now, that'll be some small writing.
I wonder? The monument looks about seven metres long, so the two long sides have three and a half square metres of space each. The short sides might be four metres? That's eleven square metres, one hundred and ten thousand square centimetres. An EVE player might have two accounts average, so there might be two hundred and fifty thousand players.
0.44 square centimetres per player? I must be wrong about the number of actual players
e: derp. ten thousand cm^2 per square metre. not ten thousand for eleven |

Imiarr Timshae
Funny Men In Funny Hats
140
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:20:00 -
[126] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Imiarr Timshae wrote:Malcanis wrote:
Do you understand what marketing is, I mean as a basic concept?
Yup. Do you know what trying to run level 5's where the acceleration gate doesn't work is like, while being told by a GM "It's completeable, you just have to fly the remaining 10,000 km to the next pocket sub-warp." ? And you believe that if CCP hadn't decided to celebrate with a monument that EVE would be perfect and have no flaws? Or are you just professionally angry?
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
313
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:21:00 -
[127] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Pix Severus wrote:If a player's main character is called "I hate Iceland" or something similar, would CCP still add that name to the monument? CCP's position is that the character name has to conform to local Icelandic law, so no hatespeech bullshit or incitements to violence, but other than that if people want to immortalise themselves as xXxW33dL0rd420xXx then that's up to them.
Thanks. |

Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:24:00 -
[128] - Quote
Underwhelmed by the announcement.
Manipulated by the timer.
CCP vanity project.
Monument has no reference to either Iceland or EVE at all.
Sum it up? |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
795
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:25:00 -
[129] - Quote
So is it my birth/legal name from when I filled out forms on there, my name i am posting as along with all the others, or is it my account name? |

ZeeWolf Novus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
47
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:25:00 -
[130] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:Underwhelmed by the announcement.
Manipulated by the timer.
CCP vanity project.
Monument has no reference to either Iceland or EVE at all.
Sum it up?
TL;DR of the Year nomination. |

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
263
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:27:00 -
[131] - Quote
FluffyDice wrote:How will you be defining a persons main character and will you be using the name of one per account or selecting a main from multiple? The highest skilled character on each account.
CCP Falcon wrote:On Saturday, 1 March 2014, the die for this snapshot of New Eden will be taken and over half a million names will be frozen in time, with the highest skilled character from every active EVE Online account on this day joined together as part of Worlds Within a World. Quote taken from this text.
Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13640
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:27:00 -
[132] - Quote
Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs, I still find it discouraging that people are unironically getting angry because CCP are proud enough of their creation of the canvas of EVE, and grateful enough to us as the artists, that they're putting up a real, solid monument to commemorate it.
Something that no game company has ever done for the community of their customers (as far as I am aware). Something that CCP clearly think that the EVE community uniquely deserves.
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
1 Kings 12:11
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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
117
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:28:00 -
[133] - Quote
Could someone at CCP please explain what the 3 thingies on top of that base represent ?
(the middle one looks like the black monolith we went visiting a long time ago, but why favor the Talocan civilization above the other 3 ancient space faring races the Sleepers, Takmahl, and Yan Jung, not to mention the current 4 primary space faring races; Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr and Caldari ?) Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13640
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:30:00 -
[134] - Quote
Freelancer117 wrote:Could someone at CCP please explain what the 3 thingies on top of that base represent ? (the middle one looks like the black monolith we went visiting a long time ago, but why favor the Talocan civilization above the other 3 ancient space faring races the Sleepers, Takmahl, and Yan Jung, not to mention the current 4 primary space faring races; Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr and Caldari ?)
From right to left: the rounded monolith represents the analogue human world of the player, then the barrier evokes the screen with which the players and EVE interface with each other, and then the sharp, angular monolith represents the digital world of New Eden.
1 Kings 12:11
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2425
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:32:00 -
[135] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:Could someone at CCP please explain what the 3 thingies on top of that base represent ? (the middle one looks like the black monolith we went visiting a long time ago, but why favor the Talocan civilization above the other 3 ancient space faring races the Sleepers, Takmahl, and Yan Jung, not to mention the current 4 primary space faring races; Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr and Caldari ?) From right to left: the rounded monolith represents the analogue human world of the player, then the barrier evokes the screen with which the players and EVE interface with each other, and then the sharp, angular monolith represents the digital world of New Eden. Do you know what the 'EVE quote' on the last structure will be? |

Random McNally
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
47975
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:33:00 -
[136] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs, I still find it discouraging that people are unironically getting angry because CCP are proud enough of their creation of the canvas of EVE, and grateful enough to us as the artists, that they're putting up a real, solid monument to commemorate it.
Something that no game company has ever done for the community of their customers (as far as I am aware). Something that CCP clearly think that the EVE community uniquely deserves.
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
Amen.
Malcanis, would it be inappropriate to send the haters buddy subs to Hello Kitty Online? Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13640
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:34:00 -
[137] - Quote
Random McNally wrote:Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs, I still find it discouraging that people are unironically getting angry because CCP are proud enough of their creation of the canvas of EVE, and grateful enough to us as the artists, that they're putting up a real, solid monument to commemorate it.
Something that no game company has ever done for the community of their customers (as far as I am aware). Something that CCP clearly think that the EVE community uniquely deserves.
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
Amen. Malcanis, would it be inappropriate to send the haters buddy subs to Hello Kitty Online?
No, they can go play EA games until they have thought about what they've done and are sorry.
1 Kings 12:11
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Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
2
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:36:00 -
[138] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs...
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
This guy is a CSM? ...wow.
How about if the monument actually had something to do with EVE, Iceland, or both?
That would be a start.
As I said before, there is a major disconnect here that isn't that hard to see if looked at from a neutral point of view.
instead of saying "You jerks have no reason to be upset this is awesome and you are wrong!" why don't you actually try to understand what your customers are trying to communicate to you. |

Random McNally
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
47987
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:36:00 -
[139] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Random McNally wrote:Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs, I still find it discouraging that people are unironically getting angry because CCP are proud enough of their creation of the canvas of EVE, and grateful enough to us as the artists, that they're putting up a real, solid monument to commemorate it.
Something that no game company has ever done for the community of their customers (as far as I am aware). Something that CCP clearly think that the EVE community uniquely deserves.
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
Amen. Malcanis, would it be inappropriate to send the haters buddy subs to Hello Kitty Online? No, they can go play EA games until they have thought about what they've done and are sorry. You sir, are a harsh man.  Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
117
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:36:00 -
[140] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:Could someone at CCP please explain what the 3 thingies on top of that base represent ? (the middle one looks like the black monolith we went visiting a long time ago, but why favor the Talocan civilization above the other 3 ancient space faring races the Sleepers, Takmahl, and Yan Jung, not to mention the current 4 primary space faring races; Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr and Caldari ?) From right to left: the rounded monolith represents the analogue human world of the player, then the barrier evokes the screen with which the players and EVE interface with each other, and then the sharp, angular monolith represents the digital world of New Eden.
This is why eve-nerds are to nerds, what nerds are to normal people. Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2207
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:36:00 -
[141] - Quote
Benny Ohu wrote:Malcanis wrote:Freelancer117 wrote:Could someone at CCP please explain what the 3 thingies on top of that base represent ? (the middle one looks like the black monolith we went visiting a long time ago, but why favor the Talocan civilization above the other 3 ancient space faring races the Sleepers, Takmahl, and Yan Jung, not to mention the current 4 primary space faring races; Gallente, Minmatar, Amarr and Caldari ?) From right to left: the rounded monolith represents the analogue human world of the player, then the barrier evokes the screen with which the players and EVE interface with each other, and then the sharp, angular monolith represents the digital world of New Eden. Do you know what the 'EVE quote' on the last structure will be?
"LOL Noob, HTFU" Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13644
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:39:00 -
[142] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs...
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
This guy is a CSM? ...wow. How about if the monument actually had something to do with EVE, Iceland, or both? That would be a start. As I said before, there is a major disconnect here that isn't that hard to see if looked at from a neutral point of view. instead of saying "You jerks have no reason to be upset this is awesome and you are wrong!" why don't you actually try to understand what your customers are trying to communicate to you.
Instead of dishonestly removing the part where I explain why so it looks like I'm just complaining, why not take that reasoning on board?
1 Kings 12:11
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Casoff
2425
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:39:00 -
[143] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:How about if the monument actually had something to do with EVE, Iceland, or both? the monument has a rock that represents the eve players, a metal thing that represents eve online, it's designed by an icelandic artist, it's located in iceland, and it has the names of thousands of eve characters around the outside
instead of a giant model of a moa or something equally as tacky
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:"LOL Noob, HTFU"
while not entirely inappropriate, i feel that perhaps we should brainstorm further |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
398
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:40:00 -
[144] - Quote
Someone's been watching 2001 A Space Odyssey a bit too much - 2001 Monolith Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Random McNally
Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance
47987
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:41:00 -
[145] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs...
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
This guy is a CSM? ...wow. How about if the monument actually had something to do with EVE, Iceland, or both? That would be a start. As I said before, there is a major disconnect here that isn't that hard to see if looked at from a neutral point of view. instead of saying "You jerks have no reason to be upset this is awesome and you are wrong!" why don't you actually try to understand what your customers are trying to communicate to you. Would you sleep better at night if they engraved around the monument in Icelandic "This represents EVE"? Co-Host of the High Drag Podcast. http://highdrag.wordpress.com/ Check out the space music at http://minddivided.com |

Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
208
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:43:00 -
[146] - Quote
Cool stuff CCP! Glad to see you guys giving back to your community up there maybe one day I can come visit said monument. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4276
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:44:00 -
[147] - Quote
RL monument is quite the gesture.
I hope it turns out well.
For those of us who cannot get to Iceland (the land of the free has no-fly lists for people who THINK) will there be a way to virtually visit this thing?
Perhaps put it on a planet somewhere or in a station in Yulai? |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
280
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:44:00 -
[148] - Quote
Actually really happy about this. Cheers lads.
And to gobshites angry about having a monument built specifically for them....you're truly hopeless.
If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Taranogas 3rd
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:45:00 -
[149] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote: This guy is a CSM?
the best. Though I find it weird that you intentionally removed a part of his quote.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
411
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:47:00 -
[150] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Although I had expected it, because I know from long experience that the EVE-O forums are a cesspool of people who would find a way to be mad
if they were teleported to the land of free money and blowjobs, I still find it discouraging that people are unironically getting angry because CCP are proud enough of their creation of the canvas of EVE, and grateful enough to us as the artists, that they're putting up a real, solid monument to commemorate it.
Something that no game company has ever done for the community of their customers (as far as I am aware). Something that CCP clearly think that the EVE community uniquely deserves.
And you're complaining like petulant adolescents having a meltdown because daddy didn't buy them a porsche for their sweet sixteen.
Take a step back and look at yourselves and what you're doing here, angry people. Because that's what you look like to me.
You are actually the one who sounds pretty angry. I see a lot of hyperbole, random insults, and general ranting with no substance - a pattern with your posting.
Yes, some of us are going to chuckle that CCP is undertaking a vanity project as a sad publicity stunt.
It reminds me of trying to cure the economy through advertising that the economy is good - and then justifying it by talking about all those jobs you created by making the advertisement in the first place.
Yes, it's silly.
Some of us just watch CCP and scratch our heads. Just recently they laid off a bunch of people working on another game. Now they are making a monument.
This whole thing reminds me more of the kind of thing you'd see on a failed kickstarter. |

Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5032
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:49:00 -
[151] - Quote
"Monuments are cool" -- Dr. Who If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
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CCP Manifest
C C P C C P Alliance
907

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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:51:00 -
[152] - Quote
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This would go beter of without a timer. 
The "timer" feedback was anticipated by some of us and has already been passed around internally to the appropriate people, so you can all mark that down as noted.
Although one person did have a brilliant idea on Twitter that would make for an awesome April Fools joke. i bet the timer will end and it will be all like "timer feature test complete..."
======== o7 CCP Manifest | Public Relations and Social Media | @ccp_manifest |
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Chaotica Donma
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
588
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:52:00 -
[153] - Quote
Phoenix Jones wrote:I don't know of many things that have had monuments erected in its name.
Warcraft? There's no Great Orc statue.
Well, actually, there is: http://www.popehat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/orc-statue-in-front-of-blizzard-hq-irvine-california.jpg
It sits outside Blizzard's HQ in California. Catch me Thursdays and Saturdays at Midnight GMT on Split Infinity Radio
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Roux Michon
VAF Special Forces The Hub Life
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:55:00 -
[154] - Quote
CCP Manifest wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This would go beter of without a timer.  The "timer" feedback was anticipated by some of us and has already been passed around internally to the appropriate people, so you can all mark that down as noted. Although one person did have a brilliant idea on Twitter that would make for an awesome April Fools joke. i bet the timer will end and it will be all like "timer feature test complete..."
To be honest, that's all I wanted to hear.
And the "timer feature test" would have been pretty funny.
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Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
413
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:57:00 -
[155] - Quote
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17no3lpyy0yhwjpg/original.jpg
Kerrigan is pretty cool as well.
The cool thing about Blizzard is that they were at least honest about admitting that it was a gift for themselves, not the players. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
114
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:03:00 -
[156] - Quote
I thought you guys had already built this... I remember you all announcing you were going to do this back in 2007 during that fan fest? Well good to see it got finished. Now.. finish WiS? ;) |

Taranogas 3rd
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:04:00 -
[157] - Quote
you know there's a difference between a statue and a monument, and what connection do those statues have with their players? they are for show, if CCP wanted a statue for show and JUST publicizing it they would have made it, instead they made this for the community the players.
stop over-analyzing things too much, it's a just a cool thing CCP did, don't like it ? Then I suggest you make a thread/petition and ask CCP to remove your name from it if it would be enlisted then you will truly earn the title of bitter vet.
Some people, seriously..
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1469
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:06:00 -
[158] - Quote
CCP Manifest wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This would go beter of without a timer.  The "timer" feedback was anticipated by some of us and has already been passed around internally to the appropriate people, so you can all mark that down as noted. Although one person did have a brilliant idea on Twitter that would make for an awesome April Fools joke. i bet the timer will end and it will be all like "timer feature test complete..." The timer it self isn't bad just the thing at the end. Like this for me some normal/standard anouncement would be beter |

Grayland Aubaris
Ocellus Technology
16
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:07:00 -
[159] - Quote
For those of us that can't get to Iceland can we have a in-game version made and deposited in New Eden somewhere? |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
416
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:07:00 -
[160] - Quote
Taranogas 3rd wrote:Some people, seriously..
I agree.
I mean, look at these responses. If you give even minor criticism, people basically vomit insults into their keyboards as a response.
It's almost as if they can't handle criticism at all, and expect every single thing CCP does to be met with universal acclaim. |

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1708
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:07:00 -
[161] - Quote
CCP Manifest wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This would go beter of without a timer.  The "timer" feedback was anticipated by some of us and has already been passed around internally to the appropriate people, so you can all mark that down as noted. Although one person did have a brilliant idea on Twitter that would make for an awesome April Fools joke. i bet the timer will end and it will be all like "timer feature test complete..."
just to be clear the monument thing is really cool...
its just with the timer we all got pretty excited about what it would be for.
and unfortuantly when there is rampant speculation no one will ever be happy.
this is one of the reasons we cant do "rumor" threads anymore. There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Mug Costanza
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:08:00 -
[162] - Quote
Can you please allow us to OPT OUT of this monument? I have 0 plans or desires to visit this monument and would much rather my accounts be left off of it. Thanks in advance! |

Billy Hix
Team JK
97
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:09:00 -
[163] - Quote
CCP Manifest wrote:[quote=Akrasjel Lanate]Although one person did have a brilliant idea on Twitter that would make for an awesome April Fools joke. i bet the timer will end and it will be all like "timer feature test complete..."
thats th sort of thing players might actually find funny.
This was just a vanity project for Hilmar. If it was just released as a Devblog t would have got a meh from most people and that would have been it. But putting the timer there made people believe that there was something to get excited about, and it wasn't.
It is worrying how pathetic CCP marketing is. Sure the recent player fights got a lot of publicity, but pretty much all the recent CCP initiatives have received nothing but negative attention. Somergate? The last dev run event/massacre? The monument? How is it possible that the eve marketing people haven't had a positive "event" in the last year and a whole string of negative events? These guys are paid a lot of money and seem incapable of getting any positive press/player reactions.
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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97409
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 17:10:00 -
[164] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:
Yes, some of us are going to chuckle that CCP is undertaking a vanity project as a sad publicity stunt.
It reminds me of trying to cure the economy through advertising that the economy is good - and then justifying it by talking about all those jobs you created by making the advertisement in the first place.
How is this Vanity ? What does CCP have to gain ? This is costing them a lot of ISK, literally ISK.
Just what is CCP trying to white-wash as you imply by inference to "distracting from the truth" advertising methods.
Just what, really ?
This whole thing has done nothing but show how unimaginative and lame most of this playerbase actually is.
I seriously hope CCP is doing the high school teacher thing and "taking names". Those who are vehemently opposed to this should be left off the monument without question.
And that is very easily done. Or, how about a mechanic on the Account management page so that people can opt out if they are so insulted about being celebrated for supporting the game for so long ?
I like the "taking the names from the Forums" idea much better though. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
285
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:11:00 -
[165] - Quote
Pinky Hops wrote:Taranogas 3rd wrote:Some people, seriously.. I agree. I mean, look at these responses. If you give even minor criticism, people basically vomit insults into their keyboards as a response. It's almost as if they can't handle criticism at all, and expect every single thing CCP does to be met with universal acclaim. My cat does gratefull better than you. If in doubt...do...excessively. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97409
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:11:00 -
[166] - Quote
A vanity Project from Hilmar would be a statue of Hilmar in front of both CCP and Harpa Hall.
Geez get a grip, and stop throwing around words like vanity that you clearly do not really understand. Just rote repetition of other's postings, at best. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Mug Costanza
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
21
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:11:00 -
[167] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:
Yes, some of us are going to chuckle that CCP is undertaking a vanity project as a sad publicity stunt.
It reminds me of trying to cure the economy through advertising that the economy is good - and then justifying it by talking about all those jobs you created by making the advertisement in the first place.
How is this Vanity ? What does CCP have to gain ? This is costing them a lot of ISK, literally ISK. Just what is CCP trying to white-wash as you imply by inference to "distracting from the truth" advertising methods. Just what, really ? This whole thing has done nothing but show how unimaginative and lame most of this playerbase actually is. I seriously hope CCP is doing the high school teacher thing and "taking names". Those who are vehemently opposed to this should be left off the monument without question. And that is very easily done. Or, how about a mechanic on the Account management page so that people can opt out if they are so insulted about being celebrated for supporting the game for so long ? I like the "taking the names from the Forums" idea much better though.
Another one for the opt-out feature! Maybe CCP will listen. |

Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
5032
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:12:00 -
[168] - Quote
For the paranoid:
This is really just a way for CCP players to learn who everyone's main is.
/tinfoil If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |

Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
2640
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 17:12:00 -
[169] - Quote
CCP Manifest wrote:Akrasjel Lanate wrote:This would go beter of without a timer.  The "timer" feedback was anticipated by some of us and has already been passed around internally to the appropriate people, so you can all mark that down as noted. Although one person did have a brilliant idea on Twitter that would make for an awesome April Fools joke. i bet the timer will end and it will be all like "timer feature test complete..." When the timer hit zero what did I see?
Service unavailable HTTP Error 503. The service is unavailable
My wife and I just sat there and laughed. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |

Tysun Kane
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:15:00 -
[170] - Quote
Monument looks great and cool as **** to have our names on it thank you CCP. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97409
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 17:15:00 -
[171] - Quote
Mug Costanza wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I like the "taking the names from the Forums" idea much better though.
Another one for the opt-out feature! Maybe CCP will listen.
I won't opt out, but that seems to be the only way to satisfy both sides here.
I feel really nauseated (for real) from all this. It's just appalling. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97413
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:16:00 -
[172] - Quote
When someone gives you a gift you say "Thank You".
Then throw it in the trash or ignore it if you want.
And we don't need to hear about it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Utsukushi Shi
Pyre Falcon Defence Cadre XV-01A Pyre Falcon Defence Combine
18
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:16:00 -
[173] - Quote
This sounds pretty awesome.
Thanks CCP. Can't wait to see pictures. |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
417
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:17:00 -
[174] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:How is this Vanity ? What does CCP have to gain ?
A giant monument outside of their headquarters.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Just what is CCP trying to white-wash as you imply by inference to "distracting from the truth" advertising methods.
There's no conspiracy. The advertising thing was a sarcastic joke. I was making fun of Malcanis and his ridiculous notion that this monument was about hiring more developers.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:This whole thing has done nothing but show how unimaginative and lame most of this playerbase actually is.
I would actually say it points to how unimaginative CCP is.
Look at our expansion packs and how empty they are. Where are the new ideas? |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
992
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:18:00 -
[175] - Quote
Thank you CCP. I'm a lover of the arts, all arts in fact and look forward to visiting Iceland to see if my name is on it. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
258
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 17:19:00 -
[176] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Or, how about a mechanic on the Account management page so that people can opt out if they are so insulted about being celebrated for supporting the game for so long ? I like that idea. Less names makes mine easier to find! :D
Also, I am now extra glad that I already got tickets etc. for Fanfest so I can see live! |

SpaceSaft
The Scope Gallente Federation
39
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:23:00 -
[177] - Quote
Just want to say that I was looking forward to something exciting, EvE related for the last week.
Overall underwhelming, disappointing and a waste of both my time and CCP's funds.
If you want something that lasts, make a game people remember not a monument that will be considered scrap metal some day.
I can't really express how I feel about this, so I won't.
I really wish I wouldn't have invested my self in this as much. Besides that I also hold the opinion that CCP should make a PC version for Dust 514. |

Morihei Akachi
Nishida Corporation
36
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:23:00 -
[178] - Quote
IGÇÖm fully in favour of this. I especially like the fact that the monument is abstract and non-representational. The people calling for it to look like something in-game should consider: this thing will still be standing in 100 yearsGÇÖ time: how often will the ships and stations have been remodelled by then? Hell, even the empires and their various insignia might not last forever. By bearing no visual relationship to anything in the game itself, the monument can stand for it regardless of what changes the devs in the coming decades make (and in fact I see that Hilmar is talking about centuries).
More generally, the objections people are making to the monument on the grounds that the money should have been put towards something useful in-game are exactly the objections that can be made to EvE itself: so much time and money poured into space pixels. These pixels cure no diseases, stop no wars, save no lives. From the utilitarian perspective some people are urging here, we should all unsub and start donating our monthly $15 to charities and NGOs instead. Art, whether in the form of a virtual universe or a monument, is always going to be GÇÿuselessGÇÖ. Accusing it of that seems to me to be missing the point. |

DaReaper
Net 7 The Last Brigade
115
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:34:00 -
[179] - Quote
Hells, its ccp's money, they can do what they want with it. And I like and still like, the statue idea/practice. I liked it when they made the first announcement back in 2007. And I like it now. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2208
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 17:36:00 -
[180] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:
Yes, some of us are going to chuckle that CCP is undertaking a vanity project as a sad publicity stunt.
It reminds me of trying to cure the economy through advertising that the economy is good - and then justifying it by talking about all those jobs you created by making the advertisement in the first place.
How is this Vanity ? What does CCP have to gain ? This is costing them a lot of ISK, literally ISK. Just what is CCP trying to white-wash as you imply by inference to "distracting from the truth" advertising methods. Just what, really ? This whole thing has done nothing but show how unimaginative and lame most of this playerbase actually is. I seriously hope CCP is doing the high school teacher thing and "taking names". Those who are vehemently opposed to this should be left off the monument without question. And that is very easily done. Or, how about a mechanic on the Account management page so that people can opt out if they are so insulted about being celebrated for supporting the game for so long ? I like the "taking the names from the Forums" idea much better though.
You know what is funny. How will one ever know their name was removed from the list, unless one travels to Iceland and scans the whole damn statue for their name? Exactly how many people are going to do that?
I just had another tinfoil moment. This is actually brilliant marketing by CCP.
They can organize pilgrimages throughout the year (Fanfest attendees just won't have enough time / be sober / not hung over enough to make the trip to the harbour) to the newest Eve shrine, and make coin off of that, selling mini-monuments done on pewter, just like they do ships.
Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2443
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:39:00 -
[181] - Quote
can i have one for my garden?
monument4plex eve style bounties (done) dust boarding parties imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW |

Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution Nullsec Ninjas
240
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:42:00 -
[182] - Quote
It's a nice idea.
If sov mechanics and pos mechanics ever get fixed, I'll build another monument out of solid gold.
Don't Panic.
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jolanai
Holy Crusaders of Bob Ocularis Inferno
6
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:46:00 -
[183] - Quote
CCP's pretty good about content management.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
6283
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:48:00 -
[184] - Quote
I for one appreciate the monument. If there is something I'm disappointed with, it is the complete lack of realistic expectations from some of the players. Yes a timer is meant to create expectations and enthusiasm, but it was a timer buried in the community page, so it was obvious even CCP didn't want to advertise it too much. Unsurprisingly it turned out to be a community related cool thing instead of an item from your personal EVE wish list. If there is a lesson for CCP to (re)learn, it's to manage player expectations, since some people have trouble doing it themselves. |

Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
2985
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:50:00 -
[185] - Quote
The timer ruined it. Over hyping **** pisses people off. CCP of all people should understand this, given their history of doing this over and over again.
I remember hearing about this at Fanfest and thinking it was awesome. A single dev blog announcement would have made significantly more sense, instead of getting people's hopes up. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1580
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:57:00 -
[186] - Quote
I'd prefer the money used for this to be spent hiring programmers, writers, developers, artists, and re-hiring all of the people that CCP laid off in the past.
Glad some of you are excited for this, but it's hard to feel that way.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13656
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:03:00 -
[187] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:I'd prefer the money used for this to be spent hiring programmers, writers, developers, artists, and re-hiring all of the people that CCP laid off in the past.
Glad some of you are excited for this, but it's hard to feel that way.
I think you have wrong ideas about what a community team is supposed to do.
Never mind, you can console yourself with the knowledge that you are too cool and cynical to enjoy something like this. I hope you will spare a little mote of pity for poor fools like me who know no better than to be really happy.
1 Kings 12:11
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Jurou Yuan
True Slave Foundations Shaktipat Revelators
40
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:13:00 -
[188] - Quote
A monument to a video game.
hahaha. |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1581
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 18:13:00 -
[189] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Silas Vitalia wrote:I'd prefer the money used for this to be spent hiring programmers, writers, developers, artists, and re-hiring all of the people that CCP laid off in the past.
Glad some of you are excited for this, but it's hard to feel that way.
I think you have wrong ideas about what a community team is supposed to do. Never mind, you can console yourself with the knowledge that you are too cool and cynical to enjoy something like this. I hope you will spare a little mote of pity for poor fools like me who know no better than to be really happy.
Like I said I'm glad that others are excited for this if they choose to be. I'm sure the community team put a lot of work into this and they can be happy about what they are doing.
My issue (and based on most of the replies in the thread a lot of other people) is about why this is a thing that is being done at all.
One of the chief criticisms in years past was about ccp not being focused on the game. Losing focus, doing lots of other things and side projects that the subscribers were interested in.
This sounds like history repeating itself. 
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97463
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:16:00 -
[190] - Quote
Arduemont wrote:The timer ruined it. .
Nope. The overly "obese" playerbase egos ruined it. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97464
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 18:19:00 -
[191] - Quote
Arduemont wrote: A single dev blog announcement would have made significantly more sense, instead of getting people's hopes up.
One of the most important things I learned 20 years ago in rehab (for alcohol) was that having any kind of expectations at all, even just a little, will always without fail lead to disappointment.
One has to just take things as they come.
Sad they only teach this stuff in drug rehabs anymore. It's about the only way to "learn the rules of life" that's out there. It's certainly not coming from families or schools anymore. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97464
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 18:20:00 -
[192] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
Never mind, you can console yourself with the knowledge that you are too cool and cynical to enjoy something like this. I hope you will spare a little mote of pity for poor fools like me who know no better than to be really happy.
You are indeed My hero. A+ "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11013
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:20:00 -
[193] - Quote
Great idea and better make sure I got the account covered on March 1st to not miss out on this 
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Jena Jamson
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
54
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:21:00 -
[194] - Quote
"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean people who sub with PLEXes won't be included? |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97464
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 18:21:00 -
[195] - Quote
Silas Vitalia wrote:
One of the chief criticisms in years past was about ccp not being focused on the game. Losing focus, doing lots of other things and side projects that the subscribers were not interested in.
Kool.
Let's cancel Fanfest this year and permanently then since it contributes naught to the game at all. Really. It does not. It's a total wast of resources in that direction and only for a 3 day event. How horrible and distracting for game development.
Thinking capacity is most certainly in short supply anymore. Ugh. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
438
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:21:00 -
[196] - Quote
Well deserved as one of the largest export products in Iceland. EVE is real, let's never forget it.
And to all the people whining about 'waste of money' or the timer; grow the f*ck up. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97464
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 18:25:00 -
[197] - Quote
Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included?
You know what the answer is perfectly well. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Arduemont
The State of War. Vendetta Mercenary Group
2988
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:28:00 -
[198] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: One of the most important things I learned 20 years ago in rehab (for alcohol) was that having any kind of expectations at all, even just a little, will always without fail lead to disappointment.
One has to just take things as they come.
Sad they only teach this stuff in drug rehabs anymore. It's about the only way to "learn the rules of life" that's out there. It's certainly not coming from families or schools anymore.
That's great for you, and I am the same (except the rehab bit). Expect nothing, never feel disappointed. But most people don't work this way, and you can't expect them to. People are annoyed, and no amount of white knighting from you or Malcanis is going to change that. CCP raised people's hopes too high, again, as usual. CCP should follow your advise from a top down perspective, raise no ones hopes, and no one will be disappointed. "In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf |

Thoric Frosthammer
Winged Victory Corporation Get Off My Lawn
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:29:00 -
[199] - Quote
Literally more excited by the "504 Bad Gateway" link I got at first than that monument.
I didn't read the about the artist link. Is he related to a high government official? Was this some sort of bribe to continue in business? I hope so, that would be money much better spent.
If you need another one, my 4 year old is awesome with legos. She'll take whatever you paid that guy. |

ZeeWolf Novus
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
48
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:31:00 -
[200] - Quote
Chribba wrote:Great idea and better make sure I got the account covered on March 1st to not miss out on this 
It wouldn't be a good time to, you know, miss paying a bill.... |

Techpriest Arcterran
Alpha LLC
19
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:32:00 -
[201] - Quote
How many times will this monument be urinated on? |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13660
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:32:00 -
[202] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included? You know what the answer is perfectly well.
I mean it's pretty obvious that freeloading scum won't be on the monument, what was he even thinking?
1 Kings 12:11
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Jena Jamson
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
54
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:33:00 -
[203] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included? You know what the answer is perfectly well.
Eh, not really cause the sentence before that says:
"The monument will stand atop a half meter tall metal-plated concrete platform that will have the names of all the GÇ£main charactersGÇ¥ of all active EVE Online players etched upon it. "
So please clarify this for us, CCP. |

Sieges
51
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:36:00 -
[204] - Quote
Jena Jamson wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included? You know what the answer is perfectly well. Eh, not really cause the sentence before that says: "The monument will stand atop a half meter tall metal-plated concrete platform that will have the names of all the GÇ£main charactersGÇ¥ of all active EVE Online players etched upon it. " So please clarify this for us, CCP.
This seems pretty awesome. Will our character names be etched on the monument, or our real names? |

FluffyDice
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
607
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:36:00 -
[205] - Quote
PLEX counts as paying. Active means you can log in.
Continue pissing into the sea of **** that is this thread. |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15884
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:39:00 -
[206] - Quote
Art isn't my thing, but this is kind of cool. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13661
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:40:00 -
[207] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:the monument page wrote:CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument, as described in the following section. This bit appears to be missing from the page, I've looked it over a couple of times and can't find any further information regarding it. More info required, many of those that have passed away hold a special place in players hearts.
There is a process for this. Attempted abuse will be met with extreme sanctions.
1 Kings 12:11
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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
261

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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:40:00 -
[208] - Quote
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:the monument page wrote:CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument, as described in the following section. This bit appears to be missing from the page, I've looked it over a couple of times and can't find any further information regarding it. More info required, many of those that have passed away hold a special place in players hearts.
Quote: Of course, as well as celebrating those who have touched New Eden in the past and continue to assist in weaving the tapestry of history we continue to create together, we must also take the time to honor those fallen pilots who gave so much to New Eden and are sadly no longer with us.
To do this, we will be offering the CEOs of corporations within EVE an avenue through which to contact us if they feel they would like to have the name of a fallen wingman who is no longer with us added to the monument.
Please be aware that we will accept requests only from the CEOs of corporations to prevent support ticket spam, and these requests can be made by filing a support ticket to the EVE Community Team under the GÇ£Other IssuesGÇ¥ Category, and the GÇ£CommunityGÇ¥ Subcategory. Please use the subject line GÇ£Monument TributeGÇ¥ so that we can filter these tickets with ease. CCP Logibro // EVE Universe Community Team // Distributor of Nanites
@CCP_Logibro |
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1358
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:41:00 -
[209] - Quote
I don't hate it, I'm not excited, I just simply don't care so whatever.
Wake me up when there will be some Eve feature at the end of troll-timer. I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
15884
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:46:00 -
[210] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:the monument page wrote:CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument, as described in the following section. This bit appears to be missing from the page, I've looked it over a couple of times and can't find any further information regarding it. More info required, many of those that have passed away hold a special place in players hearts. There is a process for this. Attempted abuse will be met with extreme sanctions. Rightly so, abuse of this should be severely punished. |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
296
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:55:00 -
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I got up this morning and kept an eye on the final hour of the countdown while I got ready for work. When the timer hit 0, and this was revealed, I was severely underwhelmed to say the least.
Put simply, this is not something which will have any impact on any aspect of my life, ever. I feel pretty confident in presuming that the same is true for the vast majority of EVE players. It's an expensive piece of stone, glass, and steel that will sit in a country most of us will never visit, proclaiming a list of fictional names to people who will never care who we are or were.
Let's keep some perspective people: this is a computer game, a pastime to while away the hours; not exactly something worthy of a monument.
And the fact is, we pay for a computer game; is it that unreasonable to expect that our subscriptions would be put to work to maintain and improve that game? Malcanis can come in here and talk "marketing" all he wants, but if this monument is anything close to the various sculptures and other art projects my useless local government is so fond of putting up, then the cost of it would be enough to pay the salaries of three to four programmers for a year at the very least (some of the more expensive ones could have easily funded 10 or more). The monument might bring back a few old players for a month to get their names included, but by and large they would just unsub after that. Four more programmers might be able to code up the features that would bring those players back and keep them for much longer than that. Flashy spectacles might draw people to the game, but real substance is what keeps them here.
Make no mistake, this is nothing for the players, it has nothing to do with the players. This is a monument only to the ego of Hilmar Peturson and the self-importance of CCP. They have become so intoxicated with the idea of their own greatness, that they can do no wrong, and must be memorialized with a monument that will last long after their servers have failed. I guess that despite past claims, they really have learned nothing from the reactions of their customers. The hubris sickens me.
I've worn the uniform of my country; if I were to be called on to do so again, and I died on the battlefield, then you may consider putting my real name up on a piece of stone for all to see. But Kirren D'marr is just a figment of my imagination who matters to no one but me, and is in no way deserving of any sort of memorialization. This "monument" is an insult; feel free to leave me out of it.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah.
Again, this is a computer game! Comparing a monument to a recreational pastime in any way, shape, or form to a monument honoring soldiers who gave their lives defending the freedoms of others is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
398
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:06:00 -
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Dear CCP, my current sub ends in less than 2 days time. Do I have to unsub for a month in order to not have my characters name in that tombstone, or can we just post in a "Sign me out scotty" thread to get signed off? Thanks in advance for the answer. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Aeril Malkyre
Knights of the Ouroboros
313
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:09:00 -
[213] - Quote
This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone.
To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it  |
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CCP Falcon
5876

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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:16:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Malcanis wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:the monument page wrote:CCP will be honoring EVE Online players who have passed away by adding their names to the monument, as described in the following section. This bit appears to be missing from the page, I've looked it over a couple of times and can't find any further information regarding it. More info required, many of those that have passed away hold a special place in players hearts. There is a process for this. Attempted abuse will be met with extreme sanctions. Rightly so, abuse of this should be severely punished.
I'll be looking over each one of these cases personally, and will see to it that anyone who attempts to abuse this process receives their just desserts.

CCP Falcon -á || -á EVE Community Manager -á || -á EVE Illuminati
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Silent Rambo
State Protectorate Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:17:00 -
[215] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Kirren D'marr is just a figment of my imagination who matters to no one but me, and is in no way deserving of any sort of memorialization.
Basically this. I feel bad pooing on everyone's parade, and I don't usually like to be cynical but its a computer game. Its a very interesting game, and has a lot of social value and aspects that make it a real work of art. But the game is what is the art. A monument is redundant, and seems very ego driven and shallow.
The exhibit at the Modern museum of art wasn't some abstract representation of human computer interaction. It was to show the beauty of what we have all created, and the life that has been sparked inside a virtual world. We didn't need to have our names etched on something to care, because just seeing something we loved out there, and for people to get a glimpse of the beautiful world that exists because of us was in itself a reward. Eve is art. Its a grand social and economic experiment which hundreds of thousands of players are a part of. This monument is a very inappropriate representation of this idea in my opinion. You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
303
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:18:00 -
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Aeril Malkyre wrote:This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone. To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it 
That's just it, we didn't do anything to deserve such an honor; we played a game!!! It's a fun game, but trying to put it on the same level as such real world achievements or sacrifices, and trying to equate our fictional characters with such real individuals is incredibly pretentious and egotistical.
If you think having your character's name on this monument means something, then you really need to log out, go outside, and experience the real world for awhile. If you really want to be memorialized for decades to come, why not go out and do something with your life worthy of such recognition? If you already have, then what does this monument matter to you? Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

AFK Hauler
State War Academy
943
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:22:00 -
[217] - Quote
Define Main Character Please...
CCP is in the mood to make historical marks lately.
The younger players may have difficulty with understanding the relative time space a monument exists, but I can appreciate the symbol.
Thank you CCP for doing this for the player community even if some do not care or do not understand the relevance of the symbol.
Now is your chance to take advantage of the Sidekick promotion at $24.99 and possibly get a new "main" name on the monument instead of that one you chose years ago that really doesn't suite your personality. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97490
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:36:00 -
[218] - Quote
Jena Jamson wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included? You know what the answer is perfectly well. Eh, not really cause the sentence before that says: "The monument will stand atop a half meter tall metal-plated concrete platform that will have the names of all the GÇ£main charactersGÇ¥ of all active EVE Online players etched upon it. " So please clarify this for us, CCP.
When I activate with PLEX, I get a message clearly stating "Account Activated until (date)", so make of that whatever you wish. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
398
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:37:00 -
[219] - Quote
Aeril Malkyre wrote:Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier.
What's? And you think I was gonna let them carve my name among these peasants'? LOL you gotta be kidding me. Matar LP Lord YoloSwaggster 420 deserves a bigger statue than that. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Karl Jerr
Herzack Unit
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:39:00 -
[220] - Quote
A RL monument feels a bit misplaced for an online game, beside the waste of $. It sounds like a marketing stunt or an ego boost for the people who already think that Eve is real but hey they will have their fantasy login name on a rock.
Next time develop a big thing for all the players; like dynamic places to explore, dynamic missions, PVE-PVP dynamic events like Sabriz suggested, less TiDi, and so on. The Todolist is already full. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97510
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:43:00 -
[221] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah. Again, this is a computer game! Comparing a monument to a recreational pastime in any way, shape, or form to a monument honoring soldiers who gave their lives defending the freedoms of others is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself.
The point, which you obviously missed in your overzealous hasty hatred of this thing, was the unbelievable whining about the Vienam Memorials purpose and design back in the 80s. This has nothing to do with anything relating to a comparison between the military and a video game. That is a fabrication of your own imagination and nothing else.
Sorry, but the world has not provided me with another video game player monument to compare it too. I'm pretty much restricted in example to use only military based monuments, and unknown monuments to unknown bridge builders and such.
Get a freakin grip. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3023
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:45:00 -
[222] - Quote
Techpriest Arcterran wrote:How many times will this monument be urinated on?
I'm greatly looking forward to the reports of frostbite in sensitive areas that result from this. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong. |

Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3023
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 -
[223] - Quote
Also, this is possibly the most convoluted method imaginable of answering the long-standing question of how many actual real life players Eve has. Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97510
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:48:00 -
[224] - Quote
Karl Jerr wrote:A RL monument feels a bit misplaced for an online game, beside the waste of $. It sounds like a marketing stunt or an ego boost for the people who already think that Eve is real but hey they will have their fantasy login name on a rock.
Next time develop a big thing for all the players; like dynamic places to explore, dynamic missions, PVE-PVP dynamic events like Sabriz suggested, less TiDi, and so on. The Todolist is already full.
How many CCP employees do you think are going to be pulled out of the main office and over to smelt at the Foundry ????? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
438
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:50:00 -
[225] - Quote
I feel a LOT of people are missing the point here.
This monument isn't just a matter of 'yay spaceships'. It's a genuine real life tribute to one of the largest export products in Iceland and the accomplishments CCP Games made in the last 10 years. The amount of people in this thread who are so self centered to think everything should be coming back to them in some form is really disgusting to be honest.
What's next? We're going to bash on CCP because they spend your subscription money on a new vending machine in the cafeteria? Get real people, just dig deep into your bitterness and find the little bit of empathy you have left to congratulate CCP as a company for accomplishing stuff like this. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:50:00 -
[226] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:That's just it, we didn't do anything to deserve such an honor; we played a game!!!
"Didn't do anything"? The vast majority of the events that unfolded in the past 11 years were OUR doing. These events within the game are what helped Eve Online capture the hearts and minds of new players who never heard of Eve Online. Are you saying these events that were the result of us "doing something" mean practically nothing to you? |

Mikhem
Taxisk Unlimited
108
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 -
[227] - Quote
Monument was revealed. It is going to contain all active capsuleer mains.
How about ISD volunteers, CSM members, CCP Game Masters, CCP Developers? I propose you could have all these people names in this monument. All present AND all past people who have contributed so much to EVE online development and community. Mikhem
Game improvement ideas. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4279
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 -
[228] - Quote
Were it "up to me"Gäó, I would go further on the "worlds within worlds" theme:
1. On the monument, instead of mirrors in the central part, large LCD screens with some cameras stationed on it. 2. An identical monument in the game, on a planet or in a station somewhere. The central piece would have a video feed of what the RL monument is "seeing". 3. The RL monument has the actual-in game view of what the in-game monument is "seeing".
That way when you see the RL monument you can see who in the game is at the monument. In game you see what's going on around the RL monument. That's a world-within-a world for you and a high level of epic.
Entire articles would be written about this "bridge between MMO and the real world".
Though we can probably file that under "easier said than done". Oh the cost... |

David Przybyciel
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
6
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:52:00 -
[229] - Quote
I don,t know what worse the fact us Eve players don't want this or the fact that the DUST Bunny's are crying over it ! link to dust forums |

Gerald Sphinx
The Scope Gallente Federation
56
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:54:00 -
[230] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Were it "up to me"Gäó, I would go further on the "worlds within worlds" theme:
1. On the monument, instead of mirrors in the central part, large LCD screens with some cameras stationed on it. 2. An identical monument in the game, on a planet or in a station somewhere. The central piece would have a video feed of what the RL monument is "seeing". 3. The RL monument has the actual-in game view of what the in-game monument is "seeing".
That way when you see the RL monument you can see who in the game is at the monument. In game you see what's going on around the RL monument. That's a world-within-a world for you and a high level of epic.
Entire articles would be written about this "bridge between MMO and the real world".
Though we can probably file that under "easier said than done". Oh the cost...
Too expensive. The electrical bill would be too high. |

Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc Zero Hour Alliance
269
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Posted - 2014.02.05 19:56:00 -
[231] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:I feel a LOT of people are missing the point here.
This monument isn't just a matter of 'yay spaceships'. It's a genuine real life tribute to one of the largest export products in Iceland and the accomplishments CCP Games made in the last 10 years. The amount of people in this thread who are so self centered to think everything should be coming back to them in some form is really disgusting to be honest.
What's next? We're going to bash on CCP because they spend your subscription money on a new vending machine in the cafeteria? Get real people, just dig deep into your bitterness and find the little bit of empathy you have left to congratulate CCP as a company for accomplishing stuff like this.
" Let's celebrate the most unique online community with the most bland, uninspiring slabs of material out there. "
I'm pretty pleased with having my name up there on a monument, or even having any EVE related monument out there. The presentation however, (judging by the renders we got) is a massive letdown. |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
398
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:10:00 -
[232] - Quote
BUMPAGE
raven666wings wrote:Dear CCP, my current sub ends in less than 2 days time. Do I have to unsub for a month in order to not have my characters name in that tombstone, or can we just post in a "Sign me out scotty" thread to get signed off? Thanks in advance for the answer.
Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Mia Restolo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
153
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:21:00 -
[233] - Quote
I think its cool.
Doesn't Eve have 500k active subscribers? That's a lot of names to put on there! |

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3037
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:22:00 -
[234] - Quote
Actually, now I have something to do IRL. I have to go to iceland, find my name, and PAINT FRICKIN' FLAMES AROUND IT!
Yar.
It's neat. The monument. It's a neat monument. Player built stargates would be more neat... but this is cool.
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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2210
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:28:00 -
[235] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Were it "up to me"Gäó, I would go further on the "worlds within worlds" theme:
1. On the monument, instead of mirrors in the central part, large LCD screens with some cameras stationed on it. 2. An identical monument in the game, on a planet or in a station somewhere. The central piece would have a video feed of what the RL monument is "seeing". 3. The RL monument has the actual-in game view of what the in-game monument is "seeing".
That way when you see the RL monument you can see who in the game is at the monument. In game you see what's going on around the RL monument. That's a world-within-a world for you and a high level of epic.
Entire articles would be written about this "bridge between MMO and the real world".
Though we can probably file that under "easier said than done". Oh the cost...
When I first read "worlds withing worlds", I actually got a little tingly thinking CCP went into overdrive and dropped something of the concept you know about onto Sisi. That feeling lasted about 2 seconds. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
2210
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:29:00 -
[236] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Actually, now I have something to do IRL. I have to go to iceland, find my name, and PAINT FRICKIN' FLAMES AROUND IT!
Yar.
It's neat. The monument. It's a neat monument. Player built stargates would be more neat... but this is cool.
Yeah, how long before certain names are vandalized on the thing. You KNOW it is going to happen. Most people viewed Orwell's writings as a warning. The harper regime and the goons treat them as a guidebook. |

Flamespar
Woof Club
1032
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:32:00 -
[237] - Quote
Wow.
Seriously?
Oh yes this is much better than modular POS
Why do we give CCP money? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
https://twitter.com/Flamespar |

Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
36
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:36:00 -
[238] - Quote
Not sure about this one its a cool thing that there building a statue. On the same token i cant help but feel bad about all the people that got laid off from ccp or the lack of any real development or progress on fixing there game.. I also at the same time feel the money for this could have been better spent elsewhere... |

SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
0
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Posted - 2014.02.05 20:52:00 -
[239] - Quote
WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. |

Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
39
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:02:00 -
[240] - Quote
SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game.
Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent.
I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this?
Thats were were confused. |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:03:00 -
[241] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:The amount of people in this thread who are so self centered to think everything should be coming back to them in some form is really disgusting to be honest.
Because turning down what you feel is undeserved recognition is the definition of "self centered," but putting up a self-congratulatory monument to your own company's greatness is not.
What is disgusting is people trying to equate this with monuments that actually mean something.
Gerald Sphinx wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:That's just it, we didn't do anything to deserve such an honor; we played a game!!! "Didn't do anything"? The vast majority of the events that unfolded in the past 11 years were OUR doing. These events within the game are what helped Eve Online capture the hearts and minds of new players who never heard of Eve Online. Are you saying these events that were the result of us "doing something" mean practically nothing to you?
You cut off my quote without the context; try reading the whole thing: "we didn't do anything to deserve such an honor". I was responding specifically to the idea that having our characters' names on this monument was an honor somehow equal to that of "an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier." The very idea is ludicrous. Yes, we've done a lot in 11 years, it's been fun, and in some ways, even meaningful on a personal level; but in the end, it's still just entertainment. It's a game that really doesn't matter to anyone who doesn't play it, at least not beyond the occasional amusing news story. It's hardly the sort of thing to equate to people who have changed the course of history or laid down their lives for their countries. The lack of perspective in this thread is astounding!
To borrow from William Shatner's famous Trekkie SNL skit: "GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a [computer game]!" The idea that a game is worthy of such a memorial is sheer hubris. Anyone who doesn't see that needs to go out and learn what really matters in life. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13667
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:08:00 -
[242] - Quote
Well you've fulfilled my expecations.
1 Kings 12:11
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Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:10:00 -
[243] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Well you've fulfilled my expecations.
And you've fulfilled mine, so I guess we're even. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
17
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:14:00 -
[244] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:To borrow from William Shatner's famous Trekkie SNL skit: "GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a [computer game]!" The idea that a game is worthy of such a memorial is sheer hubris. Anyone who doesn't see that needs to go out and learn what really matters in life.
And yet you're here wasting your time writing about this. I'm sorry but this sounds very hypocritical. Either you're right and this monument means nothing so you can safely ignore all of this as a PR stunt or this actually means something to some people. Whether you think their opinion is arrogant is absolutely irrelevant. If some people like it - great for them. If some people don't - you can ignore it since it doesn't affect you one single bit. |

Flamespar
Woof Club
1032
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:17:00 -
[245] - Quote
My main character C40ks0nD1ck would like to know if he can use a Plex for a name change? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
https://twitter.com/Flamespar |

Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2642
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:17:00 -
[246] - Quote
Lots of people played the "guess what the countdown is for!" game but I want to make an observation: every guess related to Eve Online.
Imagining that Eve players universally get excited about a mildly interesting piece of art in a country they'll never visit is .. it's something.
It's a faux pas because it draws attention to the fact you have nothing interesting about Eve to announce, particularly now, when you have so many new players in a trial period. Does a player playing for a week care about this? Do you imagine for one moment they'll sub their trial so they can get "xXx Captain Pain xXx" on a monument?
Indeed. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |

SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
1
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:23:00 -
[247] - Quote
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused.
They have a huge team and I'm pretty sure two concept artist and a local artist collaborating on a monument is not "losing focus on EvE" besides that the actual cost o the monument is insignifacant to the amount that CCP makes. it will not change anything inside the company! Development of EvE will continue! Be realistic! |

Silas Vitalia
Nobilita Nera JIHADASQUAD
1584
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:28:00 -
[248] - Quote
For the record criticism Gëá cynicism.
Sabik now, Sabik forever |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
306
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:33:00 -
[249] - Quote
Sarton Wells wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:To borrow from William Shatner's famous Trekkie SNL skit: "GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a [computer game]!" The idea that a game is worthy of such a memorial is sheer hubris. Anyone who doesn't see that needs to go out and learn what really matters in life. And yet you're here wasting your time writing about this. I'm sorry but this sounds very hypocritical. Either you're right and this monument means nothing so you can safely ignore all of this as a PR stunt or this actually means something to some people. Whether you think their opinion is arrogant is absolutely irrelevant. If some people like it - great for them. If some people don't - you can ignore it since it doesn't affect you one single bit.
Honestly, in the long run, the monument doesn't matter to me. I think it's a poor use of resources for a company that has had to lay off staff recently, but that's about it. If Hilmar wants to build a giant phallic tribute to himself and his company, fine, whatever, Nero fiddles while Rome burns and all that.
What bothers me is the idea put forth by several in this thread that playing a game is somehow an accomplishment deserving of recognition equal to that given to fallen soldiers. If you get your name (or rather, your fictional character's name) inscribed on a piece of stone in Reykjavik, and you think that's cool, good for you. But don't try to put it on the same level as the memorialization of those who have given their lives for their countries.
As I said before, I have worn the uniform of my country. Many of those whom I trained with and served with have died wearing that uniform. Claiming that having your (fake) name on a stone alongside that of some 40 year old manchild living in his parents' basement and playing EVE in his underwear (you know there's at least one of them in this game) just because you played a computer game for a few years is somehow an honor equal to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice defending the home they love is an insult to the memory of the fallen.
That is the idea that enrages me, and it is that idea that I am railing against. The fact that some here cannot see how self important and disgusting that idea is shakes my faith in humanity. I knew some aspects of EVE attracted certain personalities, but this is by far the worst attitude I have seen come out of this game: to inflate one's own importance to equate your engaging in a hobby with the actions of those who fight for and die for the rights of others. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Neryman Tulocky
X - Beyond the Frontier
4
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:35:00 -
[250] - Quote
Thank you for honoring your player base, CCP!
...and delete the names of all these people that are permanently complaining about allmost everything you're doing from the monument. They don't deserve to be remembered by name on such an unique sculpture. |

SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
3
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 21:36:00 -
[251] - Quote
Neryman Tulocky wrote:Thank you for honoring your player base, CCP!
...and delete the names of all these people that are permanently complaining about allmost everything you're doing from the monument. They don't deserve to be remembered by name on such an unique sculpture.
I certainly agree with this! |

PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
52
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 21:40:00 -
[252] - Quote
SIrera Artrald wrote:Neryman Tulocky wrote:Thank you for honoring your player base, CCP!
...and delete the names of all these people that are permanently complaining about allmost everything you're doing from the monument. They don't deserve to be remembered by name on such an unique sculpture. I certainly agree with this!
Lick more |

Magica de Plex
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 21:51:00 -
[253] - Quote
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused.
Who are those "we" you pretend to represent?
Speak for yourself, tyvm. |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
439
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 21:55:00 -
[254] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote: As I said before, I have worn the uniform of my country. Many of those whom I trained with and served with have died wearing that uniform. Claiming that having your (fake) name on a stone alongside that of some 40 year old manchild living in his parents' basement and playing EVE in his underwear (you know there's at least one of them in this game) just because you played a computer game for a few years is somehow an honor equal to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice defending the home they love is an insult to the memory of the fallen.
That is the idea that enrages me, and it is that idea that I am railing against. The fact that some here cannot see how self important and disgusting that idea is shakes my faith in humanity. I knew some aspects of EVE attracted certain personalities, but this is by far the worst attitude I have seen come out of this game: to inflate one's own importance to equate your engaging in a hobby with the actions of those who fight for and die for the rights of others.
Monuments are built for more than just soldiers who died in wars, you know.
Monument
Something erected in memory of a person, event, etc., as a building, pillar, or statue: the Washington Monument.
Any enduring evidence or notable example of something: a monument to human ingenuity.
And people's names get put on such monuments for more reasons than dying during military service. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
398
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 21:56:00 -
[255] - Quote
BUMP
raven666wings wrote:Dear CCP, my current sub ends in less than 2 days time. Do I have to unsub for a month in order to not have my characters name in that tombstone, or can we just post in a "Sign me out scotty" thread to get signed off? Thanks in advance for the answer. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Souxie Alduin
Anarchy in the Eve
109
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:05:00 -
[256] - Quote
David Przybyciel wrote:I don,t know what worse the fact us Eve players don't want this or the fact that the DUST Bunny's are crying over it ! link to dust forums
Speaking of: Will there be a small tombstone with all the Dust names on it next to the Eve thing? |

Gregor Parud
197
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:06:00 -
[257] - Quote
Glorious, needs to be golden though. |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
398
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:11:00 -
[258] - Quote
Souxie Alduin wrote:David Przybyciel wrote:I don,t know what worse the fact us Eve players don't want this or the fact that the DUST Bunny's are crying over it ! link to dust forums Speaking of: Will there be a small tombstone with all the Dust names on it next to the Eve thing? 
Only if it comes out for PC http://senseslost.com/third-rail-content/uploads/2007/10/computertumbstone.jpg PS3's tombstones dont look so nice. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Maximus Andendare
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
822
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:12:00 -
[259] - Quote
I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?
I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today. Step onto the battlefield, and you're already dead, born again at the end of the battle to live on and fight another day.
>> Play Dust 514 FREE! Sign up for exclusive gear today! << |

Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
128
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:16:00 -
[260] - Quote
Anomaly One wrote:Nice monument CCP if anything goes wrong again in EvE can we shoot that one now ? haha, this. This is as nice as I get. Best quote ever https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4137165#post4137165 |

PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:20:00 -
[261] - Quote
Maximus Andendare wrote:I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?
I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today.
What gesture? I'm not paying for monuments in hail of some corporation, I'm paying for IN GAME CONTENT and that's what I want! |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
440
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:24:00 -
[262] - Quote
PinkPanter wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?
I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today. What gesture? I'm not paying for monuments in hail of some corporation, I'm paying for IN GAME CONTENT and that's what I want!
Actually you are paying for access to the game. Nothing more, nothing less. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

PinkPanter
The Scope Gallente Federation
53
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:25:00 -
[263] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:PinkPanter wrote:Maximus Andendare wrote:I don't know why everyone is upset about the timer. It was in the COMMUNITY section afterall. Did you think there'd be a huge game announcement in the community section?
I think the monument is a great idea, and I think its a tremendous gesture from CCP to give something back to us, after we've given our all to CCP and making Eve the success it is today. What gesture? I'm not paying for monuments in hail of some corporation, I'm paying for IN GAME CONTENT and that's what I want! Actually you are paying for access to the game. Nothing more, nothing less.
No wonder world is the way it is. It's just damn sad. |

Zeko Rena
ENCOM Industries
817
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:27:00 -
[264] - Quote
Here I was hoping it was going to be high res textures  |

Jaksa Gryfita
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:31:00 -
[265] - Quote
To many posts to read, so my question can double.
It will be maybe some posibility to chooce what character from account will be commemorated not only the main from default? |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
399
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:33:00 -
[266] - Quote
I won't mind to be on the tombstone if they substitute my characters name with this signature:
............................................________ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~., .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-., .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....} ...........((.....*~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥ ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\ Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Sarton Wells
Blackmoon Ltd.
17
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:46:00 -
[267] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:What bothers me is the idea put forth by several in this thread that playing a game is somehow an accomplishment deserving of recognition equal to that given to fallen soldiers. If you get your name (or rather, your fictional character's name) inscribed on a piece of stone in Reykjavik, and you think that's cool, good for you. But don't try to put it on the same level as the memorialization of those who have given their lives for their countries.
Again - even if someone believes playing a video game is the same as dying in a real battle (and I very much doubt anyone actually believes it, regardless of any possible poor choice of words/associations) it's their opinion and they have every right to it. I could start getting enraged that instead of you using every second of your waking life to help end world hunger you're playing a video game. But I won't because what you choose to do is your decision and you're the one facing the consequences of your own actions (or lack thereof). |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
431
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:46:00 -
[268] - Quote
raven666wings wrote:I won't mind to be on the tombstone if they substitute my characters name with this signature:
............................................________ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~., .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-., .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....} ...........((.....*~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥ ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\
Maybe we could make it happen if we had enough actual characters with account names that were small pieces of that, and CCP agreed to arrange the account names on the monument correctly....
|

Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3038
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 22:51:00 -
[269] - Quote
raven666wings wrote:I won't mind to be on the tombstone if they substitute my characters name with this signature:
............................................________ ....................................,.-GÇÿGÇ¥...................``~., .............................,.-GÇ¥...................................GÇ£-., .........................,/...............................................GÇ¥:, .....................,?......................................................\, .................../...........................................................,} ................./......................................................,:`^`..} .............../...................................................,:GÇ¥........./ ..............?.....__.........................................:`.........../ ............./__.(.....GÇ£~-,_..............................,:`........../ .........../(_....GÇ¥~,_........GÇ£~,_....................,:`........_/ ..........{.._$;_......GÇ¥=,_.......GÇ£-,_.......,.-~-,},.~GÇ¥;/....} ...........((.....*~_.......GÇ¥=-._......GÇ£;,,./`..../GÇ¥............../ ...,,,___.\`~,......GÇ£~.,....................`.....}............../ ............(....`=-,,.......`........................(......;_,,-GÇ¥ ............/.`~,......`-...............................\....../\ .............\`~.*-,.....................................|,./.....\,__ ,,_..........}.>-._\...................................|..............`=~-, .....`=~-,_\_......`\,.................................\ ...................`=~-,,.\,...............................\ ................................`:,,...........................`\..............__ .....................................`=-,...................,%`>--==`` ........................................_\..........._,-%.......`\ ...................................,<`.._|_,-&``................`\ EllOhEll notemptyposting
|

Arwen Ariniel
Shaolin Legacy Preatoriani
22
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:00:00 -
[270] - Quote
CCP, you guys are awesome! Let the trolls whine, the negativists complain, ... We built a world, and inspired millions for over a decade...
Thank you!
Oh, and give Chribba his own seperate placque on the monument. He deserves it ;) |

Flamespar
Woof Club
1035
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 23:01:00 -
[271] - Quote
How dare you all complain about CCP spending resources on a monument. Shame on you all.
Now please excuse me whilst I go enjoy my modular POS after doing some ring mining with the new direct X 11 effects, I think I may even drop by the 10 year vet station to catch up with mates in a player establishment and play with some custom paint jobs for my ship.
Oh wait...
But at least we got a monument .. right ... right? I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
https://twitter.com/Flamespar |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
313
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 23:09:00 -
[272] - Quote
TigerXtrm wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote: As I said before, I have worn the uniform of my country. Many of those whom I trained with and served with have died wearing that uniform. Claiming that having your (fake) name on a stone alongside that of some 40 year old manchild living in his parents' basement and playing EVE in his underwear (you know there's at least one of them in this game) just because you played a computer game for a few years is somehow an honor equal to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice defending the home they love is an insult to the memory of the fallen.
That is the idea that enrages me, and it is that idea that I am railing against. The fact that some here cannot see how self important and disgusting that idea is shakes my faith in humanity. I knew some aspects of EVE attracted certain personalities, but this is by far the worst attitude I have seen come out of this game: to inflate one's own importance to equate your engaging in a hobby with the actions of those who fight for and die for the rights of others.
Monuments are built for more than just soldiers who died in wars, you know. Monument
Something erected in memory of a person, event, etc., as a building, pillar, or statue: the Washington Monument.
Any enduring evidence or notable example of something: a monument to human ingenuity.And people's names get put on such monuments for more reasons than dying during military service.
Of course, but that does not make them equal honors. Even among those monuments that are not military related, they are generally erected for one of two reasons: to memorialize those who have died (usually in some tragedy), or to commemorate some great accomplishment or event. How does playing a computer game measure up to either of these conditions? Those who died and are being included did not die because of EVE, they were just players like the rest of us, so the monument's purpose is clearly not memorializing those lost in a tragedy. Also, wasting countless hours playing a computer game is an enjoyable pastime, but certainly not a noteworthy accomplishment deserving of international acclaim. So in what way is this monument like any other with names etched into it? It's not even going to display any real names; they're all fictional characters. How many monuments like that are there in the world, and how many people actually care?
With regards to the military comparison, this is the sort of idea I'm referring to:
Aeril Malkyre wrote:This is a pretty awesome thing. Kudos to CCP for this real world immortalization. It'd be cool to see my name etched in stone. To all the "it's not in game and doesn't affect me" rabble: Your pilot's name is going to be etched in a stone/steel surface that will last decades or centuries, like an emperor, pharaoh, or honored soldier. What else has happened in your life to give you that honor? Especially since you didn't have to die gloriously to get it  (boldface added for emphasis)
I'm sure not everyone who likes this monument think that it is just as meaningful as a monument to fallen soldiers, but clearly some do. It is these few whose ideas I find utterly revolting.
My point is that you can build whatever you want, but don't make the mistake of thinking that makes it (or you) important. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

helana Tsero
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:22:00 -
[273] - Quote
My main problem with this is the cost !
Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city.
What does this cost ???
3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ??? 
How many new devs could this have paid for.... How many new ingame features....
I doubt the people resubbing to get their name ingraved could possibly cover the expense of constructing this.
As for publicity, Eve received a huge amount of free publicity in mainstream media from the null sec battle a week ago. That is the way you market the game and get new people excited and subscribing. (that and you know ..advertising... new INGAME FEATURES!)
Conning old bitter vets to resub to get their name on a momument is not the way. Most likely they will promptly quit again when the realise the same eve problems remain.
I think a monument is cool and worthwhile but not something so massive and grand that costs a fortune!
To those who are saying that its nice that CCP recognise their player base this way. Thats like saying Im going to drive around in a ferrai with your name on the number plate but you have to pay for the ferrai ! Its the subscription money that pays for this !
"... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á| zoonr-Korsairs |-á QFT ! |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13672
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:22:00 -
[274] - Quote
grr CCP stop being proud of what you have accomplished I play this game to be angry dambit what are you doing
1 Kings 12:11
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13672
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:23:00 -
[275] - Quote
helana Tsero wrote:My main problem with this is the cost ! Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city.
What does this cost ???
3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ??? 
How many new devs could this have paid for.... How many new ingame features.... I doubt the people resubbing to get their name ingraved could possibly cover the expense of constructing this. As for publicity, Eve received a huge amount of free publicity in mainstream media from the null sec battle a week ago. That is the way you market the game and get new people excited and subscribing. (that and you know ..advertising... new INGAME FEATURES!) Conning old bitter vets to resub to get their name on a momument is not the way. Most likely they will promptly quit again when the realise the same eve problems remain. I think a monument is cool and worthwhile but not something so massive and grand that costs a fortune! To those who are saying that its nice that CCP recognise their player base this way. Thats like saying Im going to drive around in a ferrai with your name on the number plate but you have to pay for the ferrai ! Its the subscription money that pays for this !
Actually it cost 9 million jillion billion dollars
we could have colonised 11 star systems but this seemed more important
1 Kings 12:11
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Louis Robichaud
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
124
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:29:00 -
[276] - Quote
I, for one, am delighted.
My first reaction was "wut?", but then a smile crept on my face that hasn't left yet.
I mean, just the jokes potential alone! I'm on my way to see friends at the moment, I plan to burst in and announce that I have monumental news!
Seriously, games come and go. One day, Eve won't exist anymore. But this will remain. And that is quite something. |

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Northern Associates.
40
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 23:31:00 -
[277] - Quote
Its an interesting design, I do think the 'square pyramid' does look like it is of Caldari construction. Personally not sure about the 'curved obelisk' but then I have been told I have no taste . Would love to see the logos for the 4 empires carved into the top of each side the pyramid.
I also just wanted to say thank you for thinking about those friends we have sadly lost over the last 10 years. I seem to remember a Dev passed away a few years ago, I hope they are to be included on the monument too. |

Oxylan
QRDELESH - Mutual Admiration Society
114
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:40:00 -
[278] - Quote
Somthing for WOW players...
Zuma rock If it bleed we can kill it. |

Irya Boone
TIPIAKS
339
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:41:00 -
[279] - Quote
too much to ask to have a monument eve related ?
.. ccp sometimes ... RENAME null sec systems With the name of REAL Universe Stellar Name like KOI-730 etc etc It will be awesome. Need Black Ops be able to FIT cover ops cloaking device !!! |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
992
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:43:00 -
[280] - Quote
Bienator II wrote:can i have one for my garden?
monument4plex
We could have a usb hub version for our desktops. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
441
|
Posted - 2014.02.05 23:47:00 -
[281] - Quote
helana Tsero wrote:My main problem with this is the cost ! [b] Its 5 metres tall, made of stone and steel and occupying real estate in the harbour of a city. What does this cost ??? 3 million US dollars , 5 million or even 10 million ??? 
Yeah.... in the real world (the world outside the US, yes there is a world outside the US) a statue like that probably wouldn't cost more than... a guestimate... 10.000 dollars. At most.
Which, in the grand sceme of things, isn't all that much. A single one of those fired employees would have gotten to keep his job for like 3 or 4 months longer for that sort of money. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |

Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER CODE.
609
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:49:00 -
[282] - Quote
I expected a crappy useless mobile app
I hoped for some glimpses about the secret projects the CSM could not talk about
I got trolled with a monument
10/10 |

Brad314
Prospero's Island
11
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:54:00 -
[283] - Quote
Smells like Icelandic tax break to me. |

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1708
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:02:00 -
[284] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:grr CCP stop being proud of what you have accomplished I play this game to be angry dambit what are you doing
haters gonna hate There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |

Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:15:00 -
[285] - Quote
Playing a video game, even one as engrossing as EVE, is hardly some sort of lifetime achievement or anything. My concern is that by celebrating it in a manner normally reserved for the big events of history we are sending the wrong message, both to the players and the outside world.
Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. A monument usually commemorates something significant or important in local, national, or world events; and a monument to gaming would indicate to some that video games are on a similar level of importance, and something to be proud of rather than just a way to fill one's free time. The people who buy into this may be few, but it can still be damaging.
The outside world will probably get the impression that we all have just such an opinion of ourselves. The message will be that EVE players are a bunch of self important geeks who have gotten so lost in their little virtual world that they have completely lost their grip on reality. How many new players do you think are going to want to jump into a game full of delusional egotists?
I've already shown the announcements about this monument to a few friends and coworkers. Their collective reaction can be summed up by the words of one of them: "That's dumb!" They were all confused, at first thinking that it must be some sort of in-game thing. When I explained that it was to be a real monument in Iceland, they were shocked at the stupidity of it, especially after I told them how the company had been laying people off just a few months ago. They think that CCP has lost its sense of priority to say the least. There was concern that a game company would neglect the health of the game itself and instead choose to invest in sucha pointless display. One of them commented, "I keep wanting to try EVE, but then something like this happens." It was also observed that CCP "must be rather full of themselves." These are people who were excited to read about the Battle of B-R5RB, but now their opinion of the company behind the game has done a 180.
So there is my anecdotal evidence, but it may be a warning sign that this monument may not generate the sort of publicity that is good for EVE. |

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
134
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:30:00 -
[286] - Quote
Anticlimatic.
For a gaming development company, this is just a waste of money.
Let the Arts be funded by other organisations, and you CCP should focus on doing your job. |

Kethry Avenger
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
81
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:35:00 -
[287] - Quote
While I'm sure this has been expressed already, I feel the need to add my voice.
Really! Really!?!
While I like monument, and the thought that went into it and what it will be. I do not think it needed a countdown clock.
At least not on the main community page for EVE Online. I personally feel you should use countdown clocks on the main page for one of a variation of announcing a new major game feature, the time when some new secret feature goes live on the server with a gentle hint to go looking for it, for a massive in game live event, or possibly as an epic April fool's joke.
But out of game activities should be covered on a different website, with just a link to a press release here. If the countdown clock had been on the CCP webpage I would be cool with that.
Now after the bitchen I do have a question?
How are you going to get 500,000 plus character names put on metal plates in less than 2 months time? |

Molic Blackbird
Orion Faction Industries Orion Consortium
120
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Posted - 2014.02.06 01:51:00 -
[288] - Quote
Add my name to the list of those thinking this a waste of money. If that means a fake name I use for the game ends up not being on some piece of stone I'll never see, so be it. I don't care.
But its 'marketing' I hear some people argue. It may be an attempt at marketing, but it won't successful. I don't see how CCP could ever get enough new subscriptions to pay for the cost of the monument. There is a reason no other game company has done this before. None of them were stupid enough to think it would be a successful marketing gimmick.
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MuraSaki Siki
Minmatar Ship Construction Services Ushra'Khan
46
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:12:00 -
[289] - Quote
one questions :
Would the players in Serenity be included? |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
795
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:15:00 -
[290] - Quote
Malcanis
Proof forum posting needs a Geneva Conventions |

Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
40
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Posted - 2014.02.06 02:27:00 -
[291] - Quote
Magica de Plex wrote:Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused. Who are those "we" you pretend to represent? Speak for yourself, tyvm.
if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing. |

Myxx
674
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Posted - 2014.02.06 03:08:00 -
[292] - Quote
hey, cool. i was expecting a falcon troll.
instead its a pretty cool monument with an awesome concept. |

SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
4
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:05:00 -
[293] - Quote
Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . . |

Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
820
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Posted - 2014.02.06 04:21:00 -
[294] - Quote
Quote:Ozymandias
I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.'
Percy Bysshe Shelley
Personally I like it. But then I may see it differently than you do.
I agree as a marketing ploy it is weak. But I don't see it as that.
I see it as a thank you to the players of a game that has outlasted all expectations of the market. That keeps growing and evolving (Don't tell Ken Ham)
It may have some ego in it but I like to think it invites ALL of us to be a part of that pride. Otherwise it would just have CCP names on it.
My mother made a donation to the Trans Canada trail and my name is etched in marble, a few miles from my house. I take a bit of pride in that it will be there long after I a gone. In the same way I will like to know that my name will be on another island, far far from where I am.
I like it
m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |

Ashala Arcsylver
Gypsy Rose Mining Arcsylver Mining Alliance
41
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:24:00 -
[295] - Quote
Thank you CCP for acknowledging the players who have helped make Eve what it is today. I look forward to maybe someday being able to afford a trip to Fanfest to see this artwork and finding my Characters name on it.
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Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
40
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Posted - 2014.02.06 05:36:00 -
[296] - Quote
SIrera Artrald wrote:Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . .
land costs money... so unless they were given the land or building it at there headquarters.... They would have to buy it.... That isn't cheep..
also do u even know how much that stuff costs in large volumes + cost of building..
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11014
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:34:00 -
[297] - Quote
Also what would be pretty neat is if the year of birth is next to the pilot name eg John Doe/05 or similar, not sure if that would fit though but it would be nice to have that info apart from the name, adding some more depth into it.
/c
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Lady Areola Fappington
New Order Logistics CODE.
1157
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Posted - 2014.02.06 06:51:00 -
[298] - Quote
Eve players, we can find reason to ***** about anything. Never change, guys.
As for the monument..a piece of art in Iceland with my character name on it, pretty nifty.
Kind of silly to be whinging about the cost, too. Pretty sure CCP is getting a good deal all-round for it. Being a pretty reasonable chunk of your countries GDP gives you some perks when it comes to stuff like this. The risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built and we want to keep that (infact, this is much more representative of the consensus opinion within CCP). |

Magica de Plex
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:12:00 -
[299] - Quote
Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:Magica de Plex wrote:Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused. Who are those "we" you pretend to represent? Speak for yourself, tyvm. if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing.
Where do you get those numbers from? At least now you can write "I" when you mean yourself, which is progress I guess, but throwing those numbers around show once more you really are disconnected from reality. Arguments are best based on facts, or your view on facts, and not making stuff up as you go along.
Personally I think it's way cool. One day the servers will shut down, but that monument will stand. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:21:00 -
[300] - Quote
jolanai wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Some day, ... I'll constantly bicker on about how things used to be better in my days and that game companies used to value their customers until they can recite everything tehy said in their sleep. Is this your CSM application? If so, you have my vote.
Lol, that came unexpected.  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Rayford Carpathia
Gladiators of Rage Fidelas Constans
22
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:23:00 -
[301] - Quote
CCP, you're a very creative game developer and I like that. I absolutely love the way your creativity tends to extend out of game on occasion. Our capsuleers will end up outliving EVE and very possibly our mortal bodies by the immortalization of their names on the monument.
Keep up the great work and thank you for always trying to keep things new and fresh for us. Can't wait to see it when I finally make the trip to Fanfest. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:33:00 -
[302] - Quote
Stitcher wrote: So, I guess what I'm saying is that if you want the monument to be a permanent and unchanging tribute to all of the EVE players, then it should be a statue of a Megathron.
That already got remodelled, no? Better use a Dominix. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:42:00 -
[303] - Quote
Roux Michon wrote:
This guy is a CSM? ...wow.
Yep, and after that quote, he'll have my vote on the next election.
Can't even remember the last guy I voted for, I think he got kicked off CSM because he got drunk and talked **** in public.  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Kasumi 'Goto
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.02.06 07:58:00 -
[304] - Quote
This monument is just ridiculous! |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:00:00 -
[305] - Quote
Yeah, but does it have all the names of the player characters in the game engraved on it? Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Seras Victoria Egivand
United Star Alliance UNITED STAR FEDERATION
40
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:07:00 -
[306] - Quote
Magica de Plex wrote:Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:Magica de Plex wrote:Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:WOW! Just how selfish and uncultured can people get. . . CCP is choosing to support a local artist (who has done a fantastic job collaborating with the art department at CCP and who has a far more refined taste then the some of the people putting forth their sad ideas for an improvement) and in the process they are honoring the city and country in which all this was begun!
Yet here we get a thread of self centered and uncultured people complaining about the wasted man hours and money! You're right! I'm sure all those CCP employees are hard at work wasting development time erecting that monument withe their bare hands instead of working at their jobs improving this game. Your missing the point between layoff's at ccp.. Them not focusing on fixing EvE No real content. And other issues We dont think right now was the greatest time to do this... While its cool and we feel honored they would do this.. We also feel that money could be better spent. I feel the worst for the people that got laid off from ccp because they don't have the money... But they have the money for this? Thats were were confused. Who are those "we" you pretend to represent? Speak for yourself, tyvm. if it cost them between 5-10 million dollars to build.. Its taking away from eve.. With that much money u know how many developers and staff they could have kept and manned for the next year to 2 years to fix game mechanics to implement new features and so forth.. While its a great idea i don't think at this time it was a thing they should be doing. Where do you get those numbers from? At least now you can write "I" when you mean yourself, which is progress I guess, but throwing those numbers around show once more you really are disconnected from reality. Arguments are best based on facts, or your view on facts, and not making stuff up as you go along. Personally I think it's way cool. One day the servers will shut down, but that monument will stand.
Just so u know i was estimating low... eh it doesn't matter i never said it wasnt cool i just think the funds could be better served elseware. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:14:00 -
[307] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included? You know what the answer is perfectly well.
I got one more question.
Do we need to be logged in when the names are captured (will they ever be free again?) or is it enough to have an active account?
I don't log in as often as I used to anymore. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:29:00 -
[308] - Quote
Hoshi Sorano wrote:Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. You and people like you* formed a community (willing or unwillingly) and made sure that that community lasted through the last decade. And I bet you so long as nothing unexpected happens (natural desasters etc.) it'll even last another 10 years.
What's not worthwhile about that?
*Well, maybe not you, but certain people certainly did. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:37:00 -
[309] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Gogela wrote:Actually, now I have something to do IRL. I have to go to iceland, find my name, and PAINT FRICKIN' FLAMES AROUND IT!
Yar.
It's neat. The monument. It's a neat monument. Player built stargates would be more neat... but this is cool. Yeah, how long before certain names are vandalized on the thing. You KNOW it is going to happen.
Good god, where do you live?
If the people in your neighbourhood do that I want to make sure I'll never have to move there. 
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
914
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:55:00 -
[310] - Quote
Arwen Ariniel wrote:CCP, you guys are awesome! Let the trolls whine, the negativists complain, ... We built a world, and inspired millions for over a decade...
Thank you!
Oh, and give Chribba his own seperate placque on the monument. He deserves it ;)
Someone said something that wasn't negative in GD... Worlds Collide. 
Also [add statement of general agreement here]. Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699 Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

mr ed thehouseofed
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
416
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Posted - 2014.02.06 08:59:00 -
[311] - Quote
some kids will have spray painted their tags on it by the end of the first week real gamers only need one toon-á |

Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
1368
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Posted - 2014.02.06 09:06:00 -
[312] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:My mother made a donation to the Trans Canada trail and my name is etched in marble, a few miles from my house. I take a bit of pride in that it will be there long after I a gone. In the same way I will like to know that my name will be on another island, far far from where I am.
I like it
m
Well, is your RL name Mike Azariah? Because this is what be etched on this monument and it has nothing to do with you being gone or not. Are you really proud to have your space name on a stone somewhere? Seriously?
Like your son will be there at some day with his children and they will go to the monument and your son will show your character's name to them and say:
"Look, this was your grandpa"
and your grandson will say:
"No it wasn't, grandpa's name was {insert your RL name here}".
And your son will explain to them that you were using name of Mike Azariah and you did something awesome under that name and that is why you ended up on monument.
And you grandson will ask:
"What did grandpa do?"
and you son will respond with proud in his voice and tears in his eyes:
"HE WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME". I am not my skills but... http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schmata_Bastanold |

Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
263
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Posted - 2014.02.06 09:24:00 -
[313] - Quote
I've seen a lot of people in this thread complain about the cost of this monument. Some even estimate it to be in the millions of dollars..... So, because I am a curious man, I looked up the cost of the building materials. I took some rough measures and approximations. Costs are including tax and front door delivery for me as a private person in west Europe mainland.
- Massive granite block, Black, 100 x 100 x 500 cm = Gé¼ 12.000,-
- Stainless steel rectangular tube, welded shut on both ends, 500 x 100 x 20 cm (5mm thick plate) Gé¼ 1100,-
- Polishing of steel tube Gé¼ 650,-
- Aluminium tube 100 x 100 x 500 cm (2mm thick plate) = Gé¼ 2000,-
- Black matting of aluminium tube = Gé¼ 1200,-
- Concrete 10m3 including steel reinforcement and pouring (0.5 metres underground as foundation included)= Gé¼ 2100,-
- Steel plate around concrete base 7m2 = Gé¼ 350,-
- Polishing of steel plate = Gé¼ 200,-
Total = Gé¼ 19.600,- in building materials. Again, this is an approximate figure
Of course this is also without the cost of making an actual statue out of it and without the inscribing of our character names.
Now please stop complaining that it is too expensive and that for the same amount of money problem X or Y in EvE could have been solved. In light of the figures above, it is a bit silly.....
In my personal opinion it is a beautiful statue and a grand gesture by CCP, regardless of cost. And I thank them for that! Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......
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Encephaliodes
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2014.02.06 09:37:00 -
[314] - Quote
so it represents two worlds - the world of the artist and the world of eve- facing each other.
yet they are separated by a mirror and thus cannot 'see' each other, they see only themselves reflected.
private joke between the artist and himself?
I like the left structure. it looks eve, it looks caldari. the right one looks like a henry moore knockoff sponsored by the gallente.
I would've used a curved mirror, half cylinder, placed behind the two structures. this would tie them together in the shared photons focused by the mirror, supplied by the outside, signifying how the life of both art and virtual worlds is fueled by (and dependent on) the outside world.
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Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
259
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Posted - 2014.02.06 09:57:00 -
[315] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:And you grandson will ask:
"What did grandpa do?"
and you son will respond with pride in his voice and tears in his eyes:
"HE WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME". "He was part of a community, one of the first of its kind back when we only learned what virtual worlds mean. He and those you find here created the online community of New Eden, filled it with life and drama and joy, explored their morality and humanity, transcended national boundaries." |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13683
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:09:00 -
[316] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:My mother made a donation to the Trans Canada trail and my name is etched in marble, a few miles from my house. I take a bit of pride in that it will be there long after I a gone. In the same way I will like to know that my name will be on another island, far far from where I am.
I like it
m Well, is your RL name Mike Azariah? Because this is what be etched on this monument and it has nothing to do with you being gone or not. Are you really proud to have your space name on a stone somewhere? Seriously? Like your son will be there at some day with his children and they will go to the monument and your son will show your character's name to them and say: " Look, this was your grandpa" and your grandson will say: " No it wasn't, grandpa's name was {insert your RL name here}". And your son will explain to them that you were using name of Mike Azariah and you did something awesome under that name and that is why you ended up on monument. And you grandson will ask: " What did grandpa do?" and you son will respond with pride in his voice and tears in his eyes: " HE WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME".
Some people get more out of EVE than playing just another video game.
1 Kings 12:11
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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
401
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:12:00 -
[317] - Quote
BUMPAGE
raven666wings wrote:Dear CCP, my current sub ends in 1 day. Do I have to unsub for a month in order to not have my characters name in that tombstone, or can we just post in a "Sign me out scotty" thread to get signed off? Thanks in advance for the answer. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

FEARNAUGHT O'BREQ
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
10
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:17:00 -
[318] - Quote
I think this is pretty cool & it also adds to the list of reasons to visit Iceland. Gonna do it ... one day. 
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Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
867
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:31:00 -
[319] - Quote
Debora Tsung wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Jena Jamson wrote:"This list of active, paying players will be captured on March 1st, 2014GÇöno exceptions."
Does active, paying players, mean active players who sub with PLEXes won't be included? You know what the answer is perfectly well. I got one more question. Do we need to be logged in when the names are captured (will they ever be free again?) or is it enough to have an active account? I don't log in as often as I used to anymore.
Just an active subscription to EVE. Mangala Undocked |

Mangala Solaris
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
867
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:32:00 -
[320] - Quote
raven666wings wrote:BUMPAGEraven666wings wrote:Dear CCP, my current sub ends in 1 day. Do I have to unsub for a month in order to not have my characters name in that tombstone, or can we just post in a "Sign me out scotty" thread to get signed off? Thanks in advance for the answer.
You could always keep the sub running, and just biomass in protest. Mangala Undocked |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
401
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Posted - 2014.02.06 10:37:00 -
[321] - Quote
Mangala Solaris wrote: You could always keep the sub running, and just biomass in protest.
That actually doesnt sound so bad, when compared to having my characters name in a cheap copy of the 2001 Monolith with a turd on each side. Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Victor Andall
Complexes and Abaddons
69
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Posted - 2014.02.06 11:19:00 -
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Yes, that would definitely cheapen your character name's cleverness. I just undocked for the first time and someone challenged me to a duel. Wat do?
http://andallcombat.wordpress.com/current-tournament/ |

Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints
793
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Posted - 2014.02.06 11:36:00 -
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Schmata Bastanold wrote:Mike Azariah wrote:My mother made a donation to the Trans Canada trail and my name is etched in marble, a few miles from my house. I take a bit of pride in that it will be there long after I a gone. In the same way I will like to know that my name will be on another island, far far from where I am.
I like it
m Well, is your RL name Mike Azariah? Because this is what be etched on this monument and it has nothing to do with you being gone or not. Are you really proud to have your space name on a stone somewhere? Seriously? Like your son will be there at some day with his children and they will go to the monument and your son will show your character's name to them and say: " Look, this was your grandpa" and your grandson will say: " No it wasn't, grandpa's name was {insert your RL name here}". And your son will explain to them that you were using name of Mike Azariah and you did something awesome under that name and that is why you ended up on monument. And you grandson will ask: " What did grandpa do?" and you son will respond with pride in his voice and tears in his eyes: " HE WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME".
In the future everyone will live in video games full time. Only losers and robots will be grinding real life.
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
300
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:34:00 -
[324] - Quote
I Love it thinks its a awsome idea. think maybe sould not have a used a timer or even mentioned it.
just onvailed it at fanfest would have been a big suprize |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97597
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:55:00 -
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mr ed thehouseofed wrote:some kids will have spray painted their tags on it by the end of the first week
That monument is going to be in Iceland, not America, where they think tagging is somehow clever. No worries. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97597
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Posted - 2014.02.06 12:58:00 -
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Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:I've seen a lot of people in this thread complain about the cost of this monument. Some even estimate it to be in the millions of dollars..... So, because I am a curious man, I looked up the cost of the building materials. I took some rough measures and approximations. Costs are including tax and front door delivery for me as a private person in west Europe mainland.
- Massive granite block, Black, 100 x 100 x 500 cm = Gé¼ 12.000,-
- Stainless steel rectangular tube, welded shut on both ends, 500 x 100 x 20 cm (5mm thick plate) Gé¼ 1100,-
- Polishing of steel tube Gé¼ 650,-
- Aluminium tube 100 x 100 x 500 cm (2mm thick plate) = Gé¼ 2000,-
- Black matting of aluminium tube = Gé¼ 1200,-
- Concrete 10m3 including steel reinforcement and pouring (0.5 metres underground as foundation included)= Gé¼ 2100,-
- Steel plate around concrete base 7m2 = Gé¼ 350,-
- Polishing of steel plate = Gé¼ 200,-
Total = Gé¼ 19.600,- in building materials. Again, this is an approximate figure Of course this is also without the cost of making an actual statue out of it and without the inscribing of our character names. Now please stop complaining that it is too expensive and that for the same amount of money problem X or Y in EvE could have been solved. In light of the figures above, it is a bit silly..... In my personal opinion it is a beautiful statue and a grand gesture by CCP, regardless of cost. And I thank them for that!
For real.
Folks are acting as if resources and workers are being diverted to this in massive quantities instead of "fixing the game" ??
My God, how many CCP employees do they think are going to be reappropriated to working in the foundry to smelt these things, and then do the carving and engraving ? It'll be a challenge for the Devs, most indeed.
EVE - winner of PC Gamers 2014 Award for Ungrateful Self-Entitled Playerbase "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97597
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:03:00 -
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Hoshi Sorano wrote:Playing a video game, even one as engrossing as EVE, is hardly some sort of lifetime achievement or anything. My concern is that by celebrating it in a manner normally reserved for the big events of history we are sending the wrong message, both to the players and the outside world.
Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. A monument usually commemorates something significant or important in local, national, or world events; and a monument to gaming would indicate to some that video games are on a similar level of importance, and something to be proud of rather than just a way to fill one's free time. The people who buy into this may be few, but it can still be damaging.
The outside world will probably get the impression that we all have just such an opinion of ourselves. The message will be that EVE players are a bunch of self important geeks who have gotten so lost in their little virtual world that they have completely lost their grip on reality. How many new players do you think are going to want to jump into a game full of delusional egotists?
I've already shown the announcements about this monument to a few friends and coworkers. Their collective reaction can be summed up by the words of one of them: "That's dumb!" They were all confused, at first thinking that it must be some sort of in-game thing. When I explained that it was to be a real monument in Iceland, they were shocked at the stupidity of it, especially after I told them how the company had been laying people off just a few months ago. They think that CCP has lost its sense of priority to say the least. There was concern that a game company would neglect the health of the game itself and instead choose to invest in sucha pointless display. One of them commented, "I keep wanting to try EVE, but then something like this happens." It was also observed that CCP "must be rather full of themselves." These are people who were excited to read about the Battle of B-R5RB, but now their opinion of the company behind the game has done a 180.
So there is my anecdotal evidence, but it may be a warning sign that this monument may not generate the sort of publicity that is good for EVE.
Wow. You are a sad case. This is a gem of a treatise to show to students of social studies, showing the true outcome of a bleak, existential outlook on life.
I suggest moving somewhere that has a lot of sunshine. You'll feel a whole lot better about things. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97597
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:08:00 -
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Deka Ekato wrote:Anticlimatic. For a gaming development company, this is just a waste of money. Let the Arts be funded by other organisations, and you CCP should focus on doing your job. Edit. CCP, this piece of Art should not be called or described as a monument. Monuments are only for real life heros and for "The Fallen".   
Just how many employess and devs are going to be diverted to the smelters, foundry, and engravers to achieve this ?
Also "A monument is a type of structure that was explicitly created to commemorate a person or important event, or which has become important to a social group as a part of their remembrance of historic times or cultural heritage, or as an example of historic architecture. The term 'monument' is often applied to buildings or structures that are considered examples of important architectural and/or cultural heritage"
"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97597
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:12:00 -
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Seras Victoria Egivand wrote:SIrera Artrald wrote:Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . . land costs money... so unless they were given the land or building it at there headquarters.... They would have to buy it.... That isn't cheep.. also do u even know how much that stuff costs in large volumes + cost of building..
Land in Iceland is beyond dirt cheap. It's not good for anything, much less farming. You can't even plant a tree there. It will not grow.
And Iceland doesn't take people in as immigrants except maybe the rare amnesty case, so there is not any kind of real estate boom or anything like that.
Land for this thing is one of it's more minimal additional costs, period. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
97597
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:16:00 -
[330] - Quote
If this thing is considered just a monument to "CCPs own inflated ego" is this not most indeed the appropriate mode in which to honor their players with self-same inflated, and self-entitled, egos?
It's just a reflection of the reality then. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Sointu Luonnotar
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
110
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:18:00 -
[331] - Quote
Please make a general memorial for those no longer with us. I really hate the idea of putting some people on the pedestal over others. Not all of us might have people that would ask us to be immortalized. So it would be grea if the memorial part would be either completely neutral general "R.I.P", but since that is probably not happening... |

Frank Millar
429
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Posted - 2014.02.06 13:50:00 -
[332] - Quote
Sointu Luonnotar wrote:Please make a general memorial for those no longer with us. I really hate the idea of putting some people on the pedestal over others. Not all of us might have people that would ask us to be immortalized. So it would be grea if the memorial part would be either completely neutral general "R.I.P", but since that is probably not happening... This is happening, if I read it correctly.
...
LOL at all the sad, entitled whiney "characters" in this thread. Biomass yourselfs already. And all of your alts (or your mains, whatever comes first). 
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Awesome gesture, CCP. o7 |

Wackal Jackal
Sparkle Bros Inc
0
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:21:00 -
[333] - Quote
Findell Ronuken wrote:what a giant waste of money typical ccp wasting money on things not related to eve in any way even when the game is broken
They're going to get tons of subs from people who just want to get their name on the monument, so... |

knobber Jobbler
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
323
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:29:00 -
[334] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:knobber Jobbler wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I've never ever heard of a Corporation ever doing something like this for their customers, ever. Much less a gaming company. .
Richard Garriot took my name to space. Beat that. Who's that ???? So: not impressed.
You're a young'un aren't you. Next you'll be asking who John Carmack is.
He's the guy who made Ultima etc. As a player promo thing when he did Tabula Rasa he took all the players names into space. Tabula Rasa was shite but he still did that which was pretty cool. |

Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:31:00 -
[335] - Quote
Debora Tsung wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Some of the younger and/or more impressionable players may take this as some sort of signal that they have somehow done something worthwhile with their lives. You and people like you* formed a community (willing or unwillingly) and made sure that that community lasted through the last decade. And I bet you so long as nothing unexpected happens (natural desasters etc.) it'll even last another 10 years. What's not worthwhile about that?
It's still just a video game, a diversion, a form of entertainment, a way to waste time. As human beings, we need the occasional diversion to rest from our labors and refresh our minds, but that doesn't make participating in such a diversion any sort of significant accomplishment.
Accomplishments are what you do with the other hours in a day that you're not wasting shooting space pixels.
Seriously, the importance some people place on video games is sickening.
The comment about my coworkers was rude and uncalled for by the way; the point is that I have not seen a favorable reaction to this monument outside of EVE players, and aside from some media hype, I doubt that we will.
Malcanis wrote: Some people get more out of EVE than playing just another video game.
Some people need to get a life.
Go outside once in a while, look at the real stars, talk to someone face to face, accomplish something real, and don't expect to be recognized for something you did in a world that doesn't even exist.
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I suggest moving somewhere that has a lot of sunshine. You'll feel a whole lot better about things.
Funny, I live somewhere known for its sunshine. Unlike some here, I actually go out and see it every now and then. In general, I do feel pretty good about things, I just don't take false pride in something that has no real meaning. If your personal self-worth is so tied up in your participation of a virtual world that people use for entertainment, I suggest professional help.
Do something truly worthwhile with your life and you'll "feel a whole lot better about things." Keep making playing a video game your crowning achievement, and you'll have self esteem problems the rest of your life. |

Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:37:00 -
[336] - Quote
Wackal Jackal wrote:Findell Ronuken wrote:what a giant waste of money typical ccp wasting money on things not related to eve in any way even when the game is broken They're going to get tons of subs from people who just want to get their name on the monument, so...
Who will promptly unsub once their names are included and the same factors that caused them to quit in the first place remain, so...
Cash grab gimmicks are rarely effective for actually building the community. The game needs more stable subscriptions, not a one month surge that will drop off just as quickly. |

Taranogas 3rd
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.02.06 14:52:00 -
[337] - Quote
Hoshi Sorano wrote: It's still just a video game, a diversion, a form of entertainment, a way to waste time. As human beings, we need the occasional diversion to rest from our labors and refresh our minds, but that doesn't make participating in such a diversion any sort of significant accomplishment.
I find it funny that you're making this a bigger deal than it is, people are cool with it just accept it, no one is thinking "aha these nerds have no life they don't see sunshine and accomplished nothing that they need to revert to doing this to have meaning in their pathetic little lives"
this is exactly how your argument sounds, most people are cool with it and appreciate the gesture it's a nice fun cool thing, but then comes your bunch over analyzing like the morons they are.
Quote: I just don't take false pride in something that has no real meaning. If your personal self-worth is so tied up in your participation in a virtual world that people use for entertainment, I suggest professional help.
Do something truly worthwhile with your life and you'll "feel a whole lot better about things." Keep making playing a video game your crowning achievement, and you'll have self esteem problems the rest of your life.
who here EVER said that? just because we appreciated this kind of thing that means all that dribble you said? who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game? and it's like the other people you play with, or this virtual community that you're apart of doesn't exist what do you do? consider everyone you interact with an NPC? what a sad little man.. |

Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:01:00 -
[338] - Quote
Taranogas 3rd wrote:who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game?
Everyone in this thread who thinks this "monument" marks something worth immortalizing in stone and steel.
Everyone here who feels the need to vehemently defend such a monument. |

Taranogas 3rd
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:07:00 -
[339] - Quote
Hoshi Sorano wrote:Taranogas 3rd wrote:who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game? Everyone in this thread who thinks this "monument" marks something worth immortalizing in stone and steel. Everyone here who feels the need to vehemently defend such a monument.
and you feel the need to point this out to everyone exactly why you feel the need to bash on something which probably won't affect you in any such way if you are so disgusted and opposed to this then just unsub till after march 1st, when they put every "no-lifes" name on it then you can be proud that you were not a part of it and not marked as "the people who tie their self worth over a game". |

Hoshi Sorano
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
9
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:54:00 -
[340] - Quote
Taranogas 3rd wrote:Hoshi Sorano wrote:Taranogas 3rd wrote:who even hinted at tying their self worth over a game? Everyone in this thread who thinks this "monument" marks something worth immortalizing in stone and steel. Everyone here who feels the need to vehemently defend such a monument. and you feel the need to point this out to everyone exactly why
Because you asked; if you don't like the answer, maybe it's a bit too close to the truth for you?
Also because while I don't consider playing the game to be some grandiose achievement worth immortalizing, I do find it fun to play. As such, I am interested in the health and future of the game as a game, and I feel that actions like this will present the wrong image of our community, and in the long run, drive away more potential players than it attracts. Those it does attract will be people who join purely for egocentric reasons, and who will have little interest in continuing in the game.
Subscription based games live or die by the growth and stability of their subscriptions. I would love to see EVE continue for another decade, but continued bonehead moves by CCP seem to threaten that possibility. Any company that prioritizes stroking their own ego over improving their product has a limited shelf life. |

Jelly Fat
Greedy Bastards
2
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:58:00 -
[341] - Quote
If a community had to reach a consensus before going forth in a project, nothing would get done, ever.
So, hat's off to those who takes initiatives! I am a professional Fedo Breeder.
Buying high pedigree Fedos since 2013 |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
401
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:58:00 -
[342] - Quote
Friends, please accept this song as token of my appreciation for this holy EVE monument
Johnny Cash - Ain't No Grave Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
318
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:46:00 -
[343] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah. Again, this is a computer game! Comparing a monument to a recreational pastime in any way, shape, or form to a monument honoring soldiers who gave their lives defending the freedoms of others is absolutely disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself. The point, which you obviously missed in your overzealous hasty hatred of this thing, was the unbelievable whining about the Vienam Memorials purpose and design back in the 80s. This has nothing to do with anything relating to a comparison between the military and a video game. That is a fabrication of your own imagination and nothing else. Sorry, but the world has not provided me with another video game player monument to compare it too. I'm pretty much restricted in example to use only military based monuments, and unknown monuments to unknown bridge builders and such. Get a freakin grip.
If I misunderstood your intent, I apologize. From my perspective, you were claiming that, regardless of the design of the structure, the monument would be popular in the same way that the Vietnam Memorial is popular.
The Vietnam Memorial is popular not because of its design, but because of the significance of the names etched into its surface. Claiming that this monument would be popular in the same way attaches the same sort of significance and importance to the fake names which will be inscribed on it. It implies that the names on the EVE monument are somehow equal to (or even remotely similar to) the names of those lost in Vietnam.
It is that idea which I find disgusting, and that is the meaning which I drew from your parallel. If that's not what was intended, then I retract my earlier comment. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Sieges
51
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Posted - 2014.02.06 17:55:00 -
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They should take some super high resolution pictures of the monument so that we can zoom in and see the character names. Someday it would be awesome to visit Iceland, but for me, for now, it is not in the cards. But I would still like to see the names  |

Rastafarian God
25
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:04:00 -
[345] - Quote
1. Pretty cool and neat that you are doing this.
2. Don't ever use a countdown like that again unless its about something truly awesome game side.
3. I would much rather my real name be on that then my characters name. That would actually mean something.
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Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
319
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:17:00 -
[346] - Quote
With regards to the cost, I've seen wholly unrealistic estimates in this thread at both extremes. I don't think there is any way that the price tag is in the millions of US dollars; maybe if it was a government project burdened by bureaucracy and waste, but not for one funded by a commercial entity. Likewise, estimates which only tally up a list of building materials are equally invalid, as they ignore several other important factors, such as the cost of the land, permits, and (what is usually the largest expense for something like this) the talent of the artist.
Just going off of what I've seen of similar sculptures, I would not be surprised if commissioning and building a work like this were to run anywhere between $200,000-$500,000. There's a lot of variation dependent largely upon the prominence of the artist (I'm not familiar enough with the Icelandic art scene to understand how locally renowned this guy may or may not be), but it should be a fairly accurate ballpark at least.
Now, it's not tens of millions in wasteful spending, but neither is it a paltry sum to be shelled out without a second thought. It's definitely substantial enough to make it a questionable investment for a company which has been laying off employees in recent history. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
821
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:49:00 -
[347] - Quote
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Well, is your RL name Mike Azariah? Because this is what be etched on this monument and it has nothing to do with you being gone or not. Are you really proud to have your space name on a stone somewhere? Seriously?
Like your son will be there at some day with his children and they will go to the monument and your son will show your character's name to them and say:
"Look, this was your grandpa"
and your grandson will say:
"No it wasn't, grandpa's name was {insert your RL name here}".
And your son will explain to them that you were using name of Mike Azariah and you did something awesome under that name and that is why you ended up on monument.
And you grandson will ask:
"What did grandpa do?"
and you son will respond with pride in his voice and tears in his eyes:
"HE WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME".
/me laughs
Good point. Makes me very glad I did not use a simple name like (xXinsert drug or pop culture reference hereXx)
Instead, Mike IS my real first name and Azariah is the name of one of my grandfathers. I take pride in this name and in the things I have done in this game. So yes, if my as yet unborn grandkids went to iceland I hope they would find my name . . . and I hope that Eve is still around so they know what game it was.
Whether you call me by my Birth names or the ones I chose for myself. It is still a memory of me. A footprint in the sands of time that might be a bit above the high water mark.
I still like it and still think it is cool.
m
Mike Azariah-á CSM8 |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
13752
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:59:00 -
[348] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:With regards to the cost, I've seen wholly unrealistic estimates in this thread at both extremes. I don't think there is any way that the price tag is in the millions of US dollars; maybe if it was a government project burdened by bureaucracy and waste, but not for one funded by a commercial entity. Likewise, estimates which only tally up a list of building materials are equally invalid, as they ignore several other important factors, such as the cost of the land, permits, and (what is usually the largest expense for something like this) the talent of the artist.
Just going off of what I've seen of similar sculptures, I would not be surprised if commissioning and building a work like this were to run anywhere between $200,000-$500,000. There's a lot of variation dependent largely upon the prominence of the artist (I'm not familiar enough with the Icelandic art scene to understand how locally renowned this guy may or may not be), but it should be a fairly accurate ballpark at least.
Now, it's not tens of millions in wasteful spending, but neither is it a paltry sum to be shelled out without a second thought. It's definitely substantial enough to make it a questionable investment for a company which has been laying off employees in recent history.
You're out by ~an order of magnitude.
CCP have every reason to expect significant revenue returns from this project. It's a marketing project at heart. A lovely gesture, a compliment to the community, but fundamentally, CCP expect to gain from doing this. As one would expect a commercial company to do.
1 Kings 12:11
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Lady Naween
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
484
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:03:00 -
[349] - Quote
oO
I think thats pretty cool and eff the haters. Don't want your name on a stone somewhere? Well, I hope your relatives never put a gravestone up over your rotting corpse. no.. really.. i hope so.
thumbs and nips up CCP |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:07:00 -
[350] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Siobhan MacLeary wrote:I am so completely and utterly underwhelmed, CCP. Yeah, I guess a monument is cool, but here I was thinking the timer would be counting down to some important change to EVE Online, rather than an announcement about a planned monument.
How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.
I'm disappointed, CCP, because you made such a big deal over this and it's something that doesn't actually affect a lot of us. Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah. It's so popular they can't hardly handle the crowds. Time will tell all. It always does.
When it's one of the few places to go to honor your lost loved one there's not much of a choice but to show up there. 50K+ dead makes for a lot of traveling relatives. CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:11:00 -
[351] - Quote
Riddick Nova wrote:So how does CCP know who your main char is?
You haven't been watching the news have you? NSA of course. 
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Billy Hix
Team JK
102
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:23:00 -
[352] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: You're out by ~an order of magnitude.
CCP have every reason to expect significant revenue returns from this project. It's a marketing project at heart. A lovely gesture, a compliment to the community, but fundamentally, CCP expect to gain from doing this. As one would expect a commercial company to do.
For the life of me, I can't see how this is much of a marketing tool.
Yes a few people in Iceland will see it. Is that what you mean, its like a billboard?
Yes a few news sources have picked up on it. Is the few stories that have popped up on gaming sites what you mean?
Are they hoping that next time they mess up people will go and shoot it?
I just don't see it at all.
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:29:00 -
[353] - Quote
Mia Restolo wrote:I think its cool.
Doesn't Eve have 500k active subscribers? That's a lot of names to put on there!
The technology exists to put all the names on a piece of silicon that you could hold in you hand. Did they fail to mention to bring a microscope with you?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Silent Rambo
State Protectorate Caldari State
119
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote: CCP have every reason to expect significant revenue returns from this project. It's a marketing project at heart. A lovely gesture, a compliment to the community, but fundamentally, CCP expect to gain from doing this. As one would expect a commercial company to do.
I mean putting money into the product your selling seems like a much healthier and long term marketing strategy. It's called "Make your product a better product". This monument seems like a pretty bold marketing strategy Malcanis, lets see if it pays of for them.
I'm very much for EvE growth, I'm very dubious of how successful this will be in obtaining more real revenue for CCP. Player retention, which is the biggest hurdle EvE has, will still be low since this really doesn't reward staying with the game after the snapshot. Sure you can get a couple new faces in, but if they don't stick around, your back to square one. It will only be a gain if the amount of money they make in the small window of the snapshot makes up the cost, since you cant rely on a statue in Iceland bringing a lot of people to the game once the initial hype train has come to a halt.
You really think someone would do that? Just log into EvE and tell lies? |

KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:34:00 -
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Flamespar wrote:My main character C40ks0nD1ck would like to know if he can use a Plex for a name change?
Maybe the name pulling scripts that disallow the non-PC "main" will look at the other toons on the account for acceptance?
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:40:00 -
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SIrera Artrald wrote:Where the hel are people getting these figures from last I check cement and granite and steel and aluminum did not cost millions of dollars! Try thousands. . .
Slapping "art" on a project results in 10x a reasonable cost.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
536
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:52:00 -
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Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Gogela wrote:Actually, now I have something to do IRL. I have to go to iceland, find my name, and PAINT FRICKIN' FLAMES AROUND IT!
Yar.
It's neat. The monument. It's a neat monument. Player built stargates would be more neat... but this is cool. Yeah, how long before certain names are vandalized on the thing. You KNOW it is going to happen.
Just like the stealing the flag game, it will be an annual FanFest contest to see who can "pod" the most names of the more well known NullSec overlords.
CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Altessa Post
Midnight special super sexy
80
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:55:00 -
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It is refreshing to see how the monument is perceived. People quarrel about its significance and whether a virtual world deserves a footprint in our well-known one. It is a piece of art and obviously it is already doing its magic :-)
I am proud to be part of it. Thanks CCP
On the internet, you can be whatever you want to be. It is amazing that so many people chose to be stupid. |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:05:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Well, is your RL name Mike Azariah? Because this is what be etched on this monument and it has nothing to do with you being gone or not. Are you really proud to have your space name on a stone somewhere? Seriously?
Like your son will be there at some day with his children and they will go to the monument and your son will show your character's name to them and say:
"Look, this was your grandpa"
and your grandson will say:
"No it wasn't, grandpa's name was {insert your RL name here}".
And your son will explain to them that you were using name of Mike Azariah and you did something awesome under that name and that is why you ended up on monument.
And you grandson will ask:
"What did grandpa do?"
and you son will respond with pride in his voice and tears in his eyes:
"HE WAS PLAYING A VIDEO GAME".
/me laughs Good point. Makes me very glad I did not use a simple name like (xXinsert drug or pop culture reference hereXx) Instead, Mike IS my real first name and Azariah is the name of one of my grandfathers. I take pride in this name and in the things I have done in this game. So yes, if my as yet unborn grandkids went to iceland I hope they would find my name . . . and I hope that Eve is still around so they know what game it was. Whether you call me by my Birth names or the ones I chose for myself. It is still a memory of me. A footprint in the sands of time that might be a bit above the high water mark. I still like it and still think it is cool. m
That's wonderful for you Mike.
Personally, "Kirren D'marr" is not a name I chose for myself; it is a name I chose for a purely fictional character I created and who exists only in my mind and various virtual worlds I have been involved in. I have controlled her in three different online games, but the fact remains that she is not me. Honoring a fictional persona in the same manner as one would honor fallen soldiers is just silly, and more than a little pretentious.
Similarly, I am not "proud" of her name, nor of the things I have done as her in this or other games. Nothing about it has any sort of real impact worth being proud of; it's just a game after all. Nothing I've created or destroyed in this game actually exists. It's all just something I've done for pure entertainment, a way to spend a few hours in the evening; as the "casual player" CSM, you should understand that. What is the value of pride in something that isn't real?
I take pride in real accomplishments. I take pride in the things I do that positively affect the lives of others, whether those in my family, my community, or my country. I take pride in service I have given to people around the world. I cannot take pride in playing a computer game; to do so would be to attach an entirely unreasonable and unhealthy importance to something that is completely without form or substance. For all the talk and bravado of "EVE is real," the truth is that when all is said and done, it's just a game, and none of it matters.
If playing an online game shooting internet spaceships is the one aspect of your life that you feel is the most deserving of being memorialized in stone, then I feel very sorry for you.
If you think that anyone who doesn't play EVE is going to care or even notice a bunch of fake names on a frozen island in the North Atlantic, you're delusional. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
322
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Posted - 2014.02.07 00:41:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:With regards to the cost, I've seen wholly unrealistic estimates in this thread at both extremes. I don't think there is any way that the price tag is in the millions of US dollars; maybe if it was a government project burdened by bureaucracy and waste, but not for one funded by a commercial entity. Likewise, estimates which only tally up a list of building materials are equally invalid, as they ignore several other important factors, such as the cost of the land, permits, and (what is usually the largest expense for something like this) the talent of the artist.
Just going off of what I've seen of similar sculptures, I would not be surprised if commissioning and building a work like this were to run anywhere between $200,000-$500,000. There's a lot of variation dependent largely upon the prominence of the artist (I'm not familiar enough with the Icelandic art scene to understand how locally renowned this guy may or may not be), but it should be a fairly accurate ballpark at least.
Now, it's not tens of millions in wasteful spending, but neither is it a paltry sum to be shelled out without a second thought. It's definitely substantial enough to make it a questionable investment for a company which has been laying off employees in recent history. You're out by ~an order of magnitude.
Maybe, but I doubt it. That would imply that the total cost was barely more than the base materials it will be made of. That doesn't leave much for land, labor, or design.
Malcanis wrote:CCP have every reason to expect significant revenue returns from this project. It's a marketing project at heart. A lovely gesture, a compliment to the community, but fundamentally, CCP expect to gain from doing this. As one would expect a commercial company to do.
If that were all this was, and if it was likely to be a productive marketing project, that would be fine. Frankly though, I don't see it. Of all those who used to play EVE, but are no longer subscribed, how many will actually be paying enough attention to hear about this? Of those, how many will care? Of those, some may care enough to sub up for a month in order to get their names on the list. Of those, there may be a few who, after coming back to the game, decide to stick around for a while, but for most, the reasons they left EVE will still remain and they will unsub just as quickly.
So at best, CCP gains a small burst of subscriptions for one month, without any substantial or sustainable increase to the playerbase beyond that. This monument does nothing to explain or expose the game to those unfamiliar with it (except maybe for a few Reykjavik natives, even then they won't understand what it's about). It does nothing for the retention of players. I find it highly doubtful that this investment is going to bring in enough to cover it's own costs, even if you're right about my estimate.
Do you know what good marketing for EVE looks like? Things like the Battle of B-R5RB. That generated tons of media exposure and news coverage, and drew interest from all sorts of people to check out this game world. And that didn't cost CCP anything in marketing funds; it was all the result of players' actions. The best marketing CCP can do is to continue to develop and improve the tools that players need to create events like this, and to improve the methods of player retention, and then just let the players create the right sort of publicity to bring people in.
A lump of stone in Iceland that few people will ever see does none of that. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Kestrel Swainson
Swainson Inc.
0
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Posted - 2014.02.07 06:24:00 -
[361] - Quote
I like this project, good work ccp! |

Elmis
The ill-advised Hermit Collective
2
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Posted - 2014.02.07 06:36:00 -
[362] - Quote
Personally I like the idea GÇô as did my wife, who normally couldnGÇÖt care less for computer games or EVE. It is nice to think IGÇÖll have three of my characterGÇÖs names permanently recorded on it. It highlights the games longevity, and how CCP is focused on it being around for a long time into the future. (I imagine there are a few people who wished SOE had as much loyalty to some of their games.) I also hope it brings the game some extra publicity. |

Rastafarian God
27
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Posted - 2014.02.07 06:44:00 -
[363] - Quote
Well real names aside wich would be nice (and save space because of all the alt accounts) My main characters name and my alts name are names I have been using forever and people in RL even call me by my main characters name. Although my main uses the number 3 instead of the letter E in its name since someone that quit playing long ago used it first.... but good enough.
Then there is the name on the 3rd account that is arbitrary.
But there are as many people in RL that call me by my mains name then my real name so I quess thats good enough for me.
We also had a corpie die of cancer a ways back. Im the only one left that knew him that just happens to be a CEO of a corp (my main is a CEO) and the idea of getting his EVE name put on that statue actually means something to a lot of us.
Im working on gathering all the information I can now from everyone since its been a few years.
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Janna Windforce
EVE University Ivy League
60
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Posted - 2014.02.07 07:17:00 -
[364] - Quote
Hmm, real life deployable? Well it looks space-ish enough, it could be better, but it's still nice as it is  |

Moloney
Doobie Den
26
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Posted - 2014.02.07 07:50:00 -
[365] - Quote
Hi,
Initially I was underwhelmed due to watching the countdown and expecting an in game feature.
When I got over the fact that it is not an in game feature I thought it is awesome.
No w considering creating a new aaccount to get my full name on there :-). Tks monument looks fairly cool to. |

Debora Tsung
The Investment Bankers Guild
928
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Posted - 2014.02.07 08:53:00 -
[366] - Quote
Moloney wrote:No w considering creating a new aaccount to get my full name on there :-). Tks monument looks fairly cool to.
That actually sounds nice...
I'll need to think about that for some time.  Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Also This --> https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=216699
Please stop making "afk cloak" threads, thanks in advance. |

cochar Andedare
The Rise of Cthulhu
8
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Posted - 2014.02.07 09:06:00 -
[367] - Quote
I think it's very very cool. Well played CCP. 
On the other hand, the timer was ill advised. |

Sephira Galamore
Inner Beard Society
266
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Posted - 2014.02.07 11:20:00 -
[368] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Similarly, I am not "proud" of her name, nor of the things I have done as her in this or other games. Nothing about it has any sort of real impact worth being proud of; it's just a game after all. Nothing I've created or destroyed in this game actually exists. It's all just something I've done for pure entertainment, a way to spend a few hours in the evening; as the "casual player" CSM, you should understand that. What is the value of pride in something that isn't real?
I take pride in real accomplishments. I take pride in the things I do that positively affect the lives of others, whether those in my family, my community, or my country. I take pride in service I have given to people around the world. I cannot take pride in playing a computer game; to do so would be to attach an entirely unreasonable and unhealthy importance to something that is completely without form or substance. For all the talk and bravado of "EVE is real," the truth is that when all is said and done, it's just a game, and none of it matters.
If playing an online game shooting internet spaceships is the one aspect of your life that you feel is the most deserving of being memorialized in stone, then I feel very sorry for you.
If you think that anyone who doesn't play EVE is going to care or even notice a bunch of fake names on a frozen island in the North Atlantic, you're delusional.
Eve is as real and relevant as any other game, hobby or community. Real people play with real people. They invest real time and real emotions.
I think you may also have a rather strict definition of the word "monument" (!=memorial). Monuments aren't just for the fallen, even if that's the most common or publicly known use. Monument for finishing a bridge: http://i.imgur.com/4lFTfsr.jpg Monument for establishing a water system: http://i.imgur.com/D2rYnbo.jpg Monument for seagull driving away crickets: http://i.imgur.com/XMrLA4i.jpg Monument "End of an era": http://de.academic.ru/pictures/dewiki/65/Alexander_Fischer_-_Stuerzende1.JPG
And there's monument to "just games", like soccer: - http://i.imgur.com/jS2ALZj.jpg - http://www.holidaycheck.de/data/urlaubsbilder/images/41/1156177193.jpg - http://i.imgur.com/V0fjBWb.jpg |

War Kitten
Panda McLegion xXPlease Pandemic Citizens Reloaded Alliance.Xx
4991
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Posted - 2014.02.07 12:46:00 -
[369] - Quote
I think the idea of a RL monument to this addictive little spaceship game we all live in is great. Eve is real and all that.
It looks like lots of folks are ready to line up to shoot this one too, just because it's there.
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Keep on truckin' CCP.
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
98072
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Posted - 2014.02.07 13:12:00 -
[370] - Quote
War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built.
It was an ugly dialogue.
Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Lelianna Kautsuo
League of xX420BLAZEITSWAGGOTXx. Nulli Secunda
0
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:06:00 -
[371] - Quote
first rule of being a dev! no matter what you do, someone will hate you for it |

Tas Exile
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:46:00 -
[372] - Quote
Just dropping by to say good job CCP. I think this is both creative and cool. *************
PilgrimInExile.wordpress.com |

2D34DLY4U
Arab League
13
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:47:00 -
[373] - Quote
Malcanis wrote: You're out by ~an order of magnitude.
CCP have every reason to expect significant revenue returns from this project. It's a marketing project at heart. A lovely gesture, a compliment to the community, but fundamentally, CCP expect to gain from doing this. As one would expect a commercial company to do.
That is awesome!
The gain in terms of EVE subscriptions will come from:
- the March active account deadline for engraving eligibility
- the world wide news and PR generated by this marketing initiative
- people in Iceland that either live there or come visit and see the monument
Considering that few people live / visit Iceland, that in a random population sample EVE players or eligible players are a small %, and that the majority of EVE customers are not from there anyway, the bulk of the impact of this measure in generating additional EVE revenues should come from the PR + the March deadline.
Therefore, to effectively measure the marketing impact of this initiative in EVE, we need to analyze:
- new active subscriptions during the period between the announcement (the clock countdown to 0) and the March deadline
- new active subsriptions during the month after the monument is inaugurated (when PR will be max)
There is some leftover tail effect coming from the PR into perpetuity so we should add a small % to the results above that should nevertheless capture the bulk impact of the initiative.
Since we are measuring the incremental impact and not an absolute thing I suggest we compare against the overall 2013 trend as well as against new subscriptions during the PR media exposure after the B-R titan fight.
Note I am not considering tourist paraphernalia or other side businesses that may develop around the monument, what matters here is the impact on EVE.
Looking forward to the results, this is awesome as instead of randomly arguing about subjective impressions we can measure success or failure and act accordingly. |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1145

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Posted - 2014.02.07 15:00:00 -
[374] - Quote
Temporarily locked for cleanup. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1145

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Posted - 2014.02.07 16:47:00 -
[375] - Quote
Also, I have faith that CCP won't forget us ISDs when they make the big list of names.  ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
476
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Posted - 2014.02.07 17:39:00 -
[376] - Quote
ISD LackOfFaith wrote: ... Criticism and disagreement with the erection of this monument is perfectly acceptable....
Too..easy...must...resist....mustn't...
Will the erection take place in the morning? Because as you know morning erections are the best, when the sun is just coming up on the horizon.
Damnit. Would you like to know more? |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1001
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Posted - 2014.02.07 18:24:00 -
[377] - Quote
I agree with the sentiment of those who think that the money could have been better spent on other things but I fully support the monument and the reasons for its commissioning, eve is no ordinary game, it's a virtual world filled with real people that do dynamic things with the tools that they have. For many people including me eve is real and an extension of my life. I am a citizen of new eden and if ccp wants to celebrate the virtual with a real life monument as a thank you to the community that makes the game great and in turn makes eve great and ccp successful then I say thank you. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2014.02.07 18:30:00 -
[378] - Quote
Sephira Galamore wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Similarly, I am not "proud" of her name, nor of the things I have done as her in this or other games. Nothing about it has any sort of real impact worth being proud of; it's just a game after all. Nothing I've created or destroyed in this game actually exists. It's all just something I've done for pure entertainment, a way to spend a few hours in the evening; as the "casual player" CSM, you should understand that. What is the value of pride in something that isn't real?
I take pride in real accomplishments. I take pride in the things I do that positively affect the lives of others, whether those in my family, my community, or my country. I take pride in service I have given to people around the world. I cannot take pride in playing a computer game; to do so would be to attach an entirely unreasonable and unhealthy importance to something that is completely without form or substance. For all the talk and bravado of "EVE is real," the truth is that when all is said and done, it's just a game, and none of it matters.
If playing an online game shooting internet spaceships is the one aspect of your life that you feel is the most deserving of being memorialized in stone, then I feel very sorry for you.
If you think that anyone who doesn't play EVE is going to care or even notice a bunch of fake names on a frozen island in the North Atlantic, you're delusional. Eve is as real and relevant as any other game, hobby...
Thanks for proving my point. EVE is a game and a hobby, and there are many other such games and hobbies out there which have been around a lot longer than EVE and which people are equally invested in; that doesn't make them monument-worthy.
Let's take poker for example; it's a game which has been around a lot longer than any of us, and there are people who devote significant portions of their lives to the game. There are regular tournaments that attract some of the best players in the world, and those players are properly recognized for their skill. But does that mean that we should put up a monument and engrave it with the names of every single person who ever opened a pack of cards or shuffled a deck? And if we did, would anyone care?
Sephira Galamore wrote:...or community.
And this is where you're wrong. EVE is not as relevant or important as a real commmunity; it is a group of people who play a game together. People in a real community depend upon each other for their daily needs to sustain life. They defend each other from real threats, whether internal or external. The things they do have a direct physical impact on one another. In EVE, we only play and pretend at doing such things. Most EVE players will only ever interract with each other on a recreational level. That sort of community is by no means as "real and relevant as any other...community." To claim it as such shows a disturbing lack of perspective on life.
Dont' get me wrong, on occasion, many EVE players have worked together to do something truly meaningful that does impact the real world in a way that matters; PLEX for Good comes to mind as one example. But these sorts of efforts (and the individuals involved) should be (and often are) applauded and recognized for what they are: charitable acts to lift the real lives of others. This monument does nothing to recognize any of that, and does not differentiate between those who activley participated in such events and the RMT-driven macrobot ISK farmers who manage to fly under the radar and escape a ban.
Sephira Galamore wrote:Real people play with real people. They invest real time and real emotions. (boldface added for emphasis)
Exactly; they play. EVE is just a game. However involved and invested we may be in it, it is important to always remember that it is still just a game. To do otherwise is to dangerously confuse reality and fiction.
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Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2014.02.07 19:23:00 -
[379] - Quote
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built. It was an ugly dialogue. Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC.
Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison.
You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented.
The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
1230
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Posted - 2014.02.07 19:43:00 -
[380] - Quote
this is excellent news :) The Tears Must Flow |

Khimes Quds
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2014.02.07 19:44:00 -
[381] - Quote
Great idea and beautiful execution CCP. I'm grateful for being a part of such a special work of art and culture. |

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
98312
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:16:00 -
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KIller Wabbit wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:Siobhan MacLeary wrote:I am so completely and utterly underwhelmed, CCP. Yeah, I guess a monument is cool, but here I was thinking the timer would be counting down to some important change to EVE Online, rather than an announcement about a planned monument.
How does this thing even represent EVE? There's no imagery in the design that resembles anything in EVE, just a blank obelisk flanked by a face-like object. The only thing telling us that this monument represents EVE is that sculptor saying it does. It could just as well represent the struggle of the common man to understand the mindless rapacity of the business world, or something else appropriately art-wonky.
I'm disappointed, CCP, because you made such a big deal over this and it's something that doesn't actually affect a lot of us. Same tired old arguments used against Maya Lins' minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial in Washingto DC. "Nobody will go. It's ugly. A black slab has nothing to do with Vietnam". Blah blah blah. It's so popular they can't hardly handle the crowds. Time will tell all. It always does. When it's one of the few places to go to honor your lost loved one there's not much of a choice but to show up there. 50K+ dead makes for a lot of traveling relatives.
.....and over 2,000,000 a year visit it, a heck of a lot more than have any kind of relation up there. They want to see it and don't really have a personal incentive. "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."-á - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882 |

Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille Gallente Federation
59
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:54:00 -
[383] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:With the announcement of Worlds Within a World, we would like to have a place where the monument and the project can be discussed by the community. Please use this thread for comments, feedback and discussion in the run up the unveiling at Fanfest 2014.
I like. "Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you." |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
483
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:30:00 -
[384] - Quote
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Gogela wrote:Actually, now I have something to do IRL. I have to go to iceland, find my name, and PAINT FRICKIN' FLAMES AROUND IT!
Yar.
It's neat. The monument. It's a neat monument. Player built stargates would be more neat... but this is cool. Yeah, how long before certain names are vandalized on the thing. You KNOW it is going to happen.
Yes, because I would travel all the way to Iceland just to write 'smells of wee' on the end of your name, for reals yo. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Anna Karhunen
Inoue INEXP
235
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:30:00 -
[385] - Quote
I like the monument, even though crying baby might have been more fitting of the typical EVE player. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
483
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Posted - 2014.02.07 23:34:00 -
[386] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built. It was an ugly dialogue. Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC. Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison. You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented. The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two.
Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
325
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:01:00 -
[387] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built. It was an ugly dialogue. Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC. Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison. You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented. The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two. Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.
Irrelevant?!? Are you serious? Are you honestly saying that you can't see the difference between nearly 60,000 dead soldiers and a bunch of people playing a computer game for entertainment? Do you even have the faintest concept of the difference between "make-believe" and "real life"?
Everyone who has ever worn the uniform of whatever country they claim allegiance to should feel insulted by you. Everyone who has ever had to bury a family member who died in service to their country should feel as though you just spit on their loved one's grave.
Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Deka Ekato
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
138
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Posted - 2014.02.08 00:43:00 -
[388] - Quote
CCP, this piece of Art should not be called or described as a monument.
Call it "A statue dedicated to those who helped the Icelandic economy in the early 21st Centuary" or "Trollololololo".
Call it anything. Just not as a monument. |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1002
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 00:50:00 -
[389] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built. It was an ugly dialogue. Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC. Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison. You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented. The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two. Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting. Irrelevant?!? Are you serious? Are you honestly saying that you can't see the difference between nearly 60,000 dead soldiers and a bunch of people playing a computer game for entertainment? Do you even have the faintest concept of the difference between "make-believe" and "real life"? Everyone who has ever worn the uniform of whatever country they claim allegiance to should feel insulted by you. Everyone who has ever had to bury a family member who died in service to their country should feel as though you just spit on their loved one's grave.
nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.
It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.
Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
326
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 01:21:00 -
[390] - Quote
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.
It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.
Perspective is exactly what I'm talking about. People equating playing a game in a virtual world to fighting a war in the real world are in dire need of such perspective. They may both be "human achievements," but they are nowhere near the same level. Putting them on that level is demeaning and insulting. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Aneta Rollard
Rising Storm. The Predictables
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 01:33:00 -
[391] - Quote
After reading couple pages of that forum and many responces here. I must say I am ashamed by the post I see here. Im ashamed to be part of same community with people who are actualy able to ***** about such a great gift and all they ***** about is not worth count down and all that other crap. For **** sake people wake up! How many of you could ever ever dream of that your "name" (or your in game acronym) will be puted in to stone on monumet in capital city?! Where dozens thousands of peple every year will see that name?! How many of you could even dare to imagine pointing on monument and saying here this, this right here its ME?!
When I 1st read about this I was proud! I was proud to be part of something so grate that it will out live the game pixels. When I arive this year to fanfest I will take picture of my self and of my in-game name on it and I will have it proudly hang in my apartment and I do not care that you may say its just a game as Jesters said its about people and about bridging two worlds. Thats why I dont take just set for me. I will be already taking set of pictures for another people who can not make it there and they are proud of this achievment same way I am. They asked me and I wil gladly spend that time and I will do my best to bring them best pictures Im capable of. Nothing said here is going to change it since for me and for my friends monument did what it supose to do it bridged virtual world and reality in way we will never forget.
So my last words are be ashamed, and re-think, becose you not just spiting on work of people who designed it. But also on everything YOU did in EvE. |

Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
90
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 01:33:00 -
[392] - Quote
A giant, golden ***** with spikey bits. Now that is an Eve Online Monument.
Err, just for rumor control purposes, you're not planning on shutting down Tranquility shortly thereafter, right? You know, for Eve 2.0 because all the spaghetti code and broken things with the current version no one wants to touch and can't fix anyway? This isn't going to happen.
Right? Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven. |

Cigolon
Koopa Troopas Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 01:56:00 -
[393] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built. It was an ugly dialogue. Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC. Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison. You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented. The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two. Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting.
Seriously Bro are you the damn architect? Or maybe a CCP sockpuppet? Whats the point of you white knighting this for 17 pages? Why do YOU need to defend CCP? I'm just curious on why you feel so strongly on why this is a good thing rather than a mild tap in the balls. |

Cigolon
Koopa Troopas Goonswarm Federation
2
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 01:58:00 -
[394] - Quote
Aneta Rollard wrote:After reading couple pages of that forum and many responces here. I must say I am ashamed by the post I see here. Im ashamed to be part of same community with people who are actualy able to ***** about such a great gift and all they ***** about is not worth count down and all that other crap. For **** sake people wake up! How many of you could ever ever dream of that your "name" (or your in game acronym) will be puted in to stone on monumet in capital city?! Where dozens thousands of peple every year will see that name?! How many of you could even dare to imagine pointing on monument and saying here this, this right here its ME?!
When I 1st read about this I was proud! I was proud to be part of something so grate that it will out live the game pixels. When I arive this year to fanfest I will take picture of my self and of my in-game name on it and I will have it proudly hang in my apartment and I do not care that you may say its just a game as Jesters said its about people and about bridging two worlds. Thats why I dont take just set for me. I will be already taking set of pictures for another people who can not make it there and they are proud of this achievment same way I am. They asked me and I wil gladly spend that time and I will do my best to bring them best pictures Im capable of. Nothing said here is going to change it since for me and for my friends monument did what it supose to do it bridged virtual world and reality in way we will never forget.
So my last words are be ashamed, and re-think, becose you not just spiting on work of people who designed it. But also on everything YOU did in EvE.
I'm ashamed money I once held went to paying for it. Does that count? |

Flamespar
Woof Club
1053
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 02:03:00 -
[395] - Quote
It would be cool if there was a station where we could view a virtual version of the statue with our avatar. I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone.
https://twitter.com/Flamespar |

IDGAD
The Scope Gallente Federation
78
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 03:58:00 -
[396] - Quote
This..... is really a bad representation of EVE. The plaque containing everyone's name is the foundation of a great monument for EVE, but everything after that goes wrong. This simply looks like Hilmar got approached by some random ****** Icelandic artist who had a hardon for mediocre abstract art and got him to agree to "fund" a monument created by him because he hillmar a BJ or something. Hell if I know but this does NOT represent EVE well except for maybe the monocle by proxy.
To be a good monument of EVE, it needs to have something that represents EVE. Make a model of a rifter, make a beautiful model of the EVE logo. Make a model of a stargate.... yes a stargate would have been a GREAT choice. Actually ya, they should have gone with a stargate since it's a physical appearance unique to EVE and it would have served as a metaphorical "gate" to a time past which is the WHOLE POINT OF A MONUMENT.
/ragebecauseofCCPBSover |

Taranogas 3rd
State War Academy Caldari State
16
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 04:37:00 -
[397] - Quote
Hoshi Sorano wrote: Because you asked; if you don't like the answer, maybe it's a bit too close to the truth for you?
emm, no you started complaining before I asked my question, but i'm glad you assumed this, you know what they say.. and seriously you didn't even see that as a rhetorical question just to simply highlight your ignorance? (or are you gonna answer to this one as well) |

Peyatoho
Broski North Black Legion.
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 05:06:00 -
[398] - Quote
I just feel bad for all the CCP employees that got laid off recently.
"Hey guys, look at this giant waste of money that we could have used to support and share with the great people that helped us build this wonderful game!" ... "naaah... let's build a giant rock and not even thank them or put THEIR names on it."
This whole idea is corporate hubris to the max. I would be ashamed if I worked for CCP. |

Sara Seraph
FaintHeart Industries
18
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 07:02:00 -
[399] - Quote
Okay. while I dig through this threadnaught....
What is a "Main Character?" and can we choose which Avatar -- from multiples -- to have put on the monument?
Personally, I think the idea is fantastic, and thank you CCP.
|

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1007
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 10:17:00 -
[400] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.
It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.
Perspective is exactly what I'm talking about. People equating playing a game in a virtual world to fighting a war in the real world are in dire need of such perspective. They may both be "human achievements," but they are nowhere near the same level. Putting them on that level is demeaning and insulting.
Do you have a moral vantage point that is different to the rest of us? Can you see what we cannot? Of course not, so it's not demeaning or insulting to have a different point of view.
Should we change our view points simply because you feel insulated and demeaned, of course not. To do so would actually be to give in to the politics of political correctness or put simply 'I'm offended, you're not, so I win!' This is correctly recognised to be a form of emotional blackmail or bullying and is something I will not accept as a valid part of any argument. Drop the emotive language and support your points with reasoned debate otherwise you might as well just say ' because' like a five year old child who is trying to win an argument with an adult. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
484
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 14:50:00 -
[401] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:Little Dragon Khamez wrote:nobody is spitting on anyone's graves or disrespecting uniforms, you need to get some perspective and reign in the hysteria.
It's a monument to human achievement and there should be more such monuments. To live, even in a virtual world is a life affirming thing to do and is in no way disrespectful to the dead.
Perspective is exactly what I'm talking about. People equating playing a game in a virtual world to fighting a war in the real world are in dire need of such perspective. They may both be "human achievements," but they are nowhere near the same level. Putting them on that level is demeaning and insulting.
No ones trying to do that, you're the one who dragged vietnam into this when you went off on one because someone mentioned the minimalist design for the war memorial being a possible inspiration for the design of this one. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
484
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 14:56:00 -
[402] - Quote
Cigolon wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:War Kitten wrote:
The monument itself looks a little plain to me, but art is always one of those "eye of the beholder" kinds of things.
Don't forget that people slammed Maya Lin's Minimalist design for the Vietnam Memorial when it was being built. It was an ugly dialogue. Now, its one of the most beloved and visited monuments in Washington DC. Last time, i gave you the benefit of the doubt, figuring I may have misinterpreted your meaning. Now, I'm beginning to think I was mistaken in doing so, as you continue to make this same comparison. You seem to be unable to understand that the Vietnam Memorial is significant and popular because of the names engraved upon it. It is those names, the real names of real people who fought and died, that give it meaning; not the design or appearance of how they are presented. The fake names of imaginary EVE characters carry no such meaning or importance; please stop conflating the two. Except that what you are willfully ignoring is that both sets of events were performed the same way, by people. The fact that one set takes place in a virtual world while the other was in a physical location is irrelevant. CCP wants to commemorate the achievements of people in a world they created and thats worth supporting. Seriously Bro are you the damn architect? Or maybe a CCP sockpuppet? Whats the point of you white knighting this for 17 pages? Why do YOU need to defend CCP? I'm just curious on why you feel so strongly on why this is a good thing rather than a mild tap in the balls.
Because so far all the arguements against it have been spiteful, mean spirited or just plain stupid. Because I think pessimism and cynicism are ******* stupid ways to look at the world, especially when it decides to give you a gift for nothing. But mainly, because I can and I feel that I should.
Whats your explanation?
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

zyalino
NORDIC COMPANY Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
13
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 17:31:00 -
[403] - Quote
looking at history, the redirection of resources on monumental stuff often has been a sign of nearing collapse. it's not about the monument itself, but the corresponding decadency.
i can understand that ccp wants to display economic prosperity - but honestly must say, while eve is cool, this "structure" isn't. whatever |

Amahole
Interplanetary Trade Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 20:26:00 -
[404] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:With the announcement of Worlds Within a World, we would like to have a place where the monument and the project can be discussed by the community. Please use this thread for comments, feedback and discussion in the run up the unveiling at Fanfest 2014.
+1ccp
well done on a real world connection to eve.
how much isk did it cost?
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Vincent VanDamme
Manson Family Advent of Fate
52
|
Posted - 2014.02.08 21:16:00 -
[405] - Quote
Cigolon wrote:
I'm ashamed money I once held went to paying for it. Does that count?
Then leave.
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Seven Koskanaiken
Sons Of Saints Against ALL Anomalies
817
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Posted - 2014.02.08 23:17:00 -
[406] - Quote
Kirren D'marr wrote:
Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.
http://www.tvsd.org/sites/tvec/library/PublishingImages/Christ%20the%20Redeemer%202.jpg |

Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
468
|
Posted - 2014.02.09 09:46:00 -
[407] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:[quote=Kirren D'marr]
Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.
In St. Petersburg, Russia, there is a nose statue in honor of Gogol's character "the Nose."
The Dr. Seuss National Memorial Sculpture Garden at the Springfield (Massachusetts) Musems Complex honors Dr. Suess and several of his characters including the Cat in the Hat, Thing One and Thing Two, Yertle the turtle, the Grinch and his dog Max, Horton the Elephant, the Lorax and Thidwick the Moose.
Several statues exist depicting Alice of Alice in Wonderland - one in the center of New York's central park.
The city of Metropolis, Illinois erected a statue of Superman in 1972.
Outside the Philidelphia Museum of Art stands a statue of Rocky Balboa.
Raliegh, NC has statues of Andy and Opie Taylor. Statues of Samantha Stevens from Bewitched and The Fonz from Happy Dayz also exist.
The Hans Christian Andersen statue in Copenhagen may be honoring the author but it's certainly a statue of a mermaid, of which, by the way, there are also many others.
Which makes it kind of pointless to point out the statues of other mythical creatures that exist: unicorns, dragons, griffins, sphynx, ad absurdium...
And what about monuments erected to celebrate abstract ideas? Like the statue of liberty? Or the Gateway Arch?
Monuments exist to commemorate and celebrate whatever the people who erect them want to celebrate. Art is subjective. Even if there were no other tributes to fictional characters in existence anywhere at all, and this was the first ever, it still wouldn't invalidate this monument's purpose.
I think it's been well established that the timer led to poor expectation management for this project (but as a tool it worked marvelously) and I think that the purpose of the monument was muddled somewhat by the memorial aspect. Is it a celebratory piece or a memorial? Should people be happy when they stand before it or silent? Does it matter? Should it matter? Important questions that I hope the quote inscribed will shed some light on but before Kirren popped a blood vessel, I figured I'd chime in.
YK "High-five, fist bump, explode, implode, fist bump again, under-five, up-five, chest-bump...ohhhhh....call 911!"
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Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
278
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Posted - 2014.02.09 11:21:00 -
[408] - Quote
YK's right. Art is subjective. If you don't like it, well... I suppose it's quite fitting of the EVE in-game community to try and tear down something they don't like instead of leaving it be for the people who do appreciate it, but taking that attitude to RL art projects is going a bit too far. |

IDGAD
The Scope Gallente Federation
79
|
Posted - 2014.02.09 22:38:00 -
[409] - Quote
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Kirren D'marr wrote:
Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.
http://www.tvsd.org/sites/tvec/library/PublishingImages/Christ%20the%20Redeemer%202.jpg
/slowclap ..... that sir was subtly brilliant. You get an upvote. |

Kirren D'marr
State Protectorate Caldari State
327
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 21:26:00 -
[410] - Quote
Yonis Kador wrote:Seven Koskanaiken wrote:[quote=Kirren D'marr]
Please show me one monument which has been erected to immortalize a list of fictional characters. There are monuments which commemorate the creators of such characters, but none I'm aware of which seek to raise the characters themselves to such lofty heights as to have their false names and fictional deeds memorialized in real stone and steel. To believe that the imaginary actions of such nonexistent entities actually matter is incredibly pompous and arrogant.
In St. Petersburg, Russia, there is a nose statue in honor of Gogol's character "the Nose." The Dr. Seuss National Memorial Sculpture Garden at the Springfield (Massachusetts) Musems Complex honors Dr. Suess and several of his characters including the Cat in the Hat, Thing One and Thing Two, Yertle the turtle, the Grinch and his dog Max, Horton the Elephant, the Lorax and Thidwick the Moose. Several statues exist depicting Alice of Alice in Wonderland - one in the center of New York's central park. The city of Metropolis, Illinois erected a statue of Superman in 1972. Outside the Philidelphia Museum of Art stands a statue of Rocky Balboa. Raliegh, NC has statues of Andy and Opie Taylor. Statues of Samantha Stevens from Bewitched and The Fonz from Happy Dayz also exist. The Hans Christian Andersen statue in Copenhagen may be honoring the author but it's certainly a statue of a mermaid, of which, by the way, there are also many others. Which makes it kind of pointless to point out the statues of other mythical creatures that exist: unicorns, dragons, griffins, sphynx, ad absurdium... And what about monuments erected to celebrate abstract ideas? Like the statue of liberty? Or the Gateway Arch? Monuments exist to commemorate and celebrate whatever the people who erect them want to celebrate. Art is subjective. Even if there were no other tributes to fictional characters in existence anywhere at all, and this was the first ever, it still wouldn't invalidate this monument's purpose. I think it's been well established that the timer led to poor expectation management for this project (but as a tool it worked marvelously) and I think that the purpose of the monument was muddled somewhat by the memorial aspect. Is it a celebratory piece or a memorial? Should people be happy when they stand before it or silent? Does it matter? Should it matter? Important questions that I hope the quote inscribed will shed some light on but before Kirren popped a blood vessel, I figured I'd chime in. YK (underline added for emphasis)
Reading comprehension: you should try it. I did not say statues; I specifically referred to monuments engraved with lists of names recognizing fictional individuals. Most of the items you listed were put up as tributes to the creators of such characters (which I alluded to in my orignal post), not a tribute to the memories of deeds done by those characters themselves.
The "list of names" approach to monuments is generally reserved for contribution or participation of many individuals to a particular event or accomplishment. This can be as mundane as those who helped plan or create a public building or park, or as dramatic as monuments to the soldiers lost in the most well-known battles and wars in history. What they have in common though is that they are all about the actions of real people.
We are not our avatars; the avatars are not real, they have never accomplished anything otuside of an imaginary world. Recognizing them as if they actually existed remains a ridiculous idea. Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |

Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
472
|
Posted - 2014.02.10 22:07:00 -
[411] - Quote
My reading comprehension is excellent. I simply disagree with you. (I hope that 's OK because judging from your rants and investment in this topic you seem to have a problem with dissention of any kind.) And you are mistaken, the statues of Alice, Superman, Rocky, etc honor those characters - not their creators. There may have not been a tribute to this many characters at once before, but so what? Your argument that tributes to characters do not exist is invalid. And since snark seems to be your forte, here you go:
Yonis Kador wrote: Monuments exist to commemorate and celebrate whatever the people who erect them want to celebrate. Art is subjective. Even if there were no other tributes to fictional characters in existence anywhere at all, and this was the first ever, it still wouldn't invalidate this monument's purpose.
(underlined for added emphasis)
YK
"High-five, fist bump, explode, implode, fist bump again, under-five, up-five, chest-bump...ohhhhh....call 911!"
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ISD Flidais Asagiri
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
117

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Posted - 2014.02.10 23:25:00 -
[412] - Quote
Greetings Everyone
This is one of those topics that is awesome and invokes a lot of emotions. It is almost impossible to remain unfeeling about these kinds of threads. Lets keep it on topic and away from personal or offensive remarks.
On On ISD Flidais Asagiri Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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SIrera Artrald
Titans Rising
4
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Posted - 2014.02.11 04:08:00 -
[413] - Quote
Where did people get the idea that because something hasn't happened before that it can't or shouldn't happen?! |

Frying Doom
3617
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Posted - 2014.02.11 14:03:00 -
[414] - Quote
Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.
Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Inari Visas
X-Prot
24
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Posted - 2014.02.12 11:52:00 -
[415] - Quote
I think its a great tribute to the players that helped make EVE into what it is today. And like everything that is art, this is all about statement. Saying this doesn't matter or is stupid doesn't make it so. I hate (with passion) neo-modern art (or whatever it's called nowadays), but I recognize that it means something to someone.
We live in a world where, as humans, we developed tastes to something other THE REAL or THE USEFUL. That is something that is part of us. When we finally understand something, we don't stop there. We continue to look for more. Sometimes it will give birth to useful and physical items, and sometime it will give birth to pieces of imagination. Sometimes it will mix the two,
There is no such thing as useless when it comes to saying THANK YOU. You can be cynical about it and say it doesn't matter, but than you'll just be a douche. If someone says thank you, you say you're welcome.
This is CCPs way of saying thank you and you're welcome at the same time. Why would someone belittle this? |

ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
377
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Posted - 2014.02.12 20:30:00 -
[416] - Quote
So we have been to the edge of space and a monument gets put up for us, that's something we can brag about.   You only-árealise you life has been a waste of time, when you wake up dead. |

Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
129
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Posted - 2014.02.13 10:18:00 -
[417] - Quote
I hope this Exclusive monument will not Exclude other players that died in the meantime and have nobody anymore to remember their voice from the new eden chorus 
Eve rule no.1: The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
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Merkar
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.13 21:12:00 -
[418] - Quote
I think the idea is cool, although the sketch of design of the monument itself seems kind of weak to me. Looking at that, there's really absolutely nothing in the design which would make me think of Eve.
I'm all for artistic expression and whatnot. But i think there should be some elements of eve in the monument itself. Just my 2 cents/opinion. |

BuckStrider
Nano-Tech Experiments
145
|
Posted - 2014.02.13 21:15:00 -
[419] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.
Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument.
Better idea.
Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers
Insert Signature Here..... |

Rain6639
Team Evil
1776
|
Posted - 2014.02.14 00:46:00 -
[420] - Quote
Esrevid Nekkeg wrote:FluffyDice wrote:How will you be defining a persons main character and will you be using the name of one per account or selecting a main from multiple? The highest skilled character on each account. CCP Falcon wrote:On Saturday, 1 March 2014, the die for this snapshot of New Eden will be taken and over half a million names will be frozen in time, with the highest skilled character from every active EVE Online account on this day joined together as part of Worlds Within a World. Quote taken from this text.On topic: Magnificent! One day I will visit Iceland to see this solid proof that EvE will stand the test of time. If not in the virtual world, it will in the real one for centuries to come. As a testimony to the best game ever made! very happy about names being engraved on it. another reason to travel to Iceland, which makes a strong case in addition to fanfest and the land itself Rainf1337 on Twitch |

Another Posting Alt
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.02.14 12:33:00 -
[421] - Quote
Interesting PLEX sink for those who want to get creative with names. |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
487
|
Posted - 2014.02.14 21:04:00 -
[422] - Quote
BuckStrider wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.
Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument. Better idea. Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers
This isn't just about Vile Rat. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld White Mountain Coalition
1045
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:10:00 -
[423] - Quote
Can we have a searchable web page with a grid reference to show us where our names are on the monument.
Not everyone can get to Iceland. Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction... |

Rain6637
Team Evil
9793
|
Posted - 2014.02.15 01:56:00 -
[424] - Quote
for that reason but also... will the names be at eye level and lower?
I really do see myself taking my grandmother to see Iceland now
...what. Rainfleet on Twitch |

Dunmer Orion
Stay Frosty.
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.15 22:58:00 -
[425] - Quote
This is awesome! I'm looking forward to seeing it in person at Fan Fest :).
-DO |

Lucy tzung
Deep Strike Mining Divison
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 02:48:00 -
[426] - Quote
just the engraving must cost a bomb, wouldn't it be better spent on a game? a game like say erm...... EvE? I mean its a cool idea but isn't it a waste of money?
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Frying Doom
3633
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Posted - 2014.02.17 06:47:00 -
[427] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:BuckStrider wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.
Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument. Better idea. Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers This isn't just about Vile Rat. No its not but giving his widow money would do a lot more real world good than a bloody monument, in Iceland. Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!! |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
490
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 16:19:00 -
[428] - Quote
Frying Doom wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:BuckStrider wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.
Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument. Better idea. Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers This isn't just about Vile Rat. No its not but giving his widow money would do a lot more real world good than a bloody monument, in Iceland.
And what about every other eve player who'se passed away over the last ten and a bit years, you honestly want to deny them a chance to be remembered by their community for the sake of one man who already has more stuff dedicated to him than any of us will ever see.
Dont get me wrong, Vile Rats name should be high and proud on that monument and you can bold his name and engrave it in gold leaf with arrows pointing at it if you must, just dont try and deny other peoples chance to be there while you do. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
48
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 17:20:00 -
[429] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Darek Castigatus wrote:BuckStrider wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Personally I think they should get rid of this idea and just donate the money to Seans widow.
Do some good in this world, not just a make yourself feel good monument. Better idea. Donate the money and hire somebody to get Seans killers This isn't just about Vile Rat. No its not but giving his widow money would do a lot more real world good than a bloody monument, in Iceland. And what about every other eve player who'se passed away over the last ten and a bit years, you honestly want to deny them a chance to be remembered by their community for the sake of one man who already has more stuff dedicated to him than any of us will ever see. Dont get me wrong, Vile Rats name should be high and proud on that monument and you can bold his name and engrave it in gold leaf with arrows pointing at it if you must, just dont try and deny other peoples chance to be there while you do. I was thining tha same but didn't want to get flamed all over the place. Other players have also died, think of them too... |

Sayen Everstar
College of Applied Knowledge
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 18:43:00 -
[430] - Quote
How does one opt out from having their name plastered on this obscenity? |

BrundleMeth
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
48
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 19:16:00 -
[431] - Quote
Sayen Everstar wrote:How does one opt out from having their name plastered on this obscenity? How many are going to ask this same question? Read the article. It says you can't opt out. NO exceptions... None, zero, nada, no body... |

Sayen Everstar
College of Applied Knowledge
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.17 20:22:00 -
[432] - Quote
BrundleMeth wrote:Sayen Everstar wrote:How does one opt out from having their name plastered on this obscenity? How many are going to ask this same question? Read the article. It says you can't opt out. NO exceptions... None, zero, nada, no body...
be so good as to point me to where it says this, as I've read a number of pieces about this POS and nothing said anything about being unable to opt out! |

Zedik
Fury of the Fyrd
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 00:36:00 -
[433] - Quote
If you can't opt out, don't worry too much. The names are being etched onto metal... on a monument. Nature will erase the names before too long. Several things on this monument don't make any sense. It isn't particularly good looking. It is simple, small, and constructed of materials that won't last for ages. They are putting in a computer as a time capsule. Hard drives aren't stone tablets sealed from the elements, they have a finite useful lifespan. Nothing I've seen about this monument shows that they are constructing it monumentally. But maybe it is more meta than I am giving it credit for. MMO's are, at their core, a waste of time and money. So is the monument. Now that I've thought about it, it does seem fitting. |

Dinger
Task Force Delta-14
6
|
Posted - 2014.02.18 17:49:00 -
[434] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base. How many old players will resub to get their name on the monument? How many will stick around for a while when they see how much has changed in EVE since they played? How many extra devs will CCP be able to afford with all this extra sub money? And most importantly of all, how will all this nerf hi-sec?
I resub'd for this, I played long enough in my time and feel I had enough of an impact in my own way to have my name up there with the rest of the playerbase.
That said I will not be staying for now, because as others have already stated the issues which made me quit in the first intance haven't changed, in spite of even your efforts Malcanis, which are appreciated.
Hi-sec for me personally has never been the issue, aside from a few rare intances it's dull as dishwater these days, however Null sec is even worse and nerfing hi-sec is not going to change that in any way. Null is still controlled by broken sovereignty mechanics determined by massive HP structures and timers, which combined with the abilty for entire alliances to jump from one end of the map to the other and back again in an afternoon result more often than not in joyless dogpile TiDi lagfests like was recently seen in HED-GP. I personally have no interest in, and will not waste my time, money and effort on such "fun" content.
I don't know how much CCP will ultimately make out of this monument deal, and to be honest I don't really care. The monument in of itself is a nice idea and is more than enough for me at this time, how many other game devs do you see out there who will take the time and effort to organise something like this for their playerbase.
That said I will say if CCP does make any appreciable amount of money out of this thing that I hope they do bring in a few more devs and invest some serious time and effort into fixing the problems that while they may not be killing the game are certainly holding it back at this point. Bringing Dust514 to the PC and integrating it into the Eve client along with opening the damned door would be a nice set of secondary goals if there's anything left after that
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Dammit. Now I'm gonna have to go to Iceland  . Now, is there anything else to see in Iceland worth the trip so I don't have to admit to wifey that, secretly, it's all about the monument?
The Blue Lagoon and the glaciers are well worth a trip if you want to venture beyond the city, I'm told the Golden Circle tour is good as well but haven't done it myself, most of the decent hotels should be able to advise good sights also. If you're looking to stay local the Perlan centre, the shopping districts and the downtown nightlife are all worth checking out, there's whale watching tours operating from the dockyard and not forgetting of course the Red Chilli restaurants (one near the Nordica the other in the city centre IIRC) which are great eateries if you're a carnivore. |

Kane Ascendant
Honoha
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.20 01:11:00 -
[435] - Quote
Hey I think all of the eve online pvp fanfest winners should be on the statue !! |

Suffering Shadow
Heaven's Harvesters LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
3
|
Posted - 2014.02.20 21:35:00 -
[436] - Quote
Quote:This list of active, paying players ..only the ones who are paying with real currency or also the ones who are paying with plexes? |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
492
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 02:15:00 -
[437] - Quote
'On Saturday, 1 March 2014, the die for this snapshot of New Eden will be taken and over half a million names will be frozen in time, with the highest skilled character from every active EVE Online account on this day joined together as part of Worlds Within a World.'
is what CCP Falcon said in his bit on this so I don't see why PLEXed accounts would be excluded. Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Thylbana Nyx
Caldari Tax-Dodgers
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.21 08:58:00 -
[438] - Quote
Quote:'On Saturday, 1 March 2014, the die for this snapshot of New Eden will be taken and over half a million names will be frozen in time, with the highest skilled character from every active EVE Online account on this day joined together as part of Worlds Within a World.'
DOH! I have my first character I ever made, but I don't care for the name I used (sounded cool in my head. Didn't work in reality). I've been taking what I consider my "main character" and trying to catch up, but I'm currently 8 mil skill points away from overtaking my original character. So now my old character will be etched in this monument or I delete and lose 8 million skill points (with associated benefits).
CCP! WHY CAN YOU NOT HAVE A SIMPLE RENAME FUNCTION!!!  |

Einar Matveinen
nXo Circle-Of-Two
21
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 13:06:00 -
[439] - Quote
How could we know what character in our accounts is the main character?. After eight years i don't know exactly what character in my account is defined in the database as main, for me is this character but i don't want surprises when the monument is released... |

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
494
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 13:15:00 -
[440] - Quote
Einar Matveinen wrote:How could we know what character in our accounts is the main character?. After eight years i don't know exactly what character in my account is defined in the database as main, for me is this character but i don't want surprises when the monument is released...
According to CCP falcon its the character with the highest SP on the account Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
you're welcome |

Einar Matveinen
nXo Circle-Of-Two
21
|
Posted - 2014.02.22 13:42:00 -
[441] - Quote
Darek Castigatus wrote:According to CCP falcon its the character with the highest SP on the account
Ok, thanks! :)
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
98
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Posted - 2014.02.25 05:34:00 -
[442] - Quote
Thylbana Nyx wrote:Quote:'On Saturday, 1 March 2014, the die for this snapshot of New Eden will be taken and over half a million names will be frozen in time, with the highest skilled character from every active EVE Online account on this day joined together as part of Worlds Within a World.' DOH! I have my first character I ever made, but I don't care for the name I used (sounded cool in my head. Didn't work in reality). I've been taking what I consider my "main character" and trying to catch up, but I'm currently 8 mil skill points away from overtaking my original character. So now my old character will be etched in this monument or I delete and lose 8 million skill points (with associated benefits). CCP! WHY CAN YOU NOT HAVE A SIMPLE RENAME FUNCTION!!!  Couldn't we say use the character from our Forum?! Put a note on the game launcher, make sure the character you want on the monument is your avatar for the Forums before March 1st, 2014. That way we can make sure we have the character we want. I am probably a rare case, but I know I can't be the ONLY case. Just a thought.
If it's so important to you, open up a new account and transfer your wanted char over.. this way you'll be on the monument twice and CCP got 1 more active account during the month ;-)
As for me as you can see me, I re-subbed for this for 1 month, can't miss being on a statue somewhere. Tres won't be on the monument though, as it's just my forum ***** :p
@CCP Thanks and do something useful with the money. |

Telemicus Thrace
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.02.25 11:24:00 -
[443] - Quote
I re-subbed for this. I don't play games much these days but I'll jump in my old Wolf and go see what's new. Maybe I'll stay, maybe I won't, we'll see.
For all the nostalgia, for all the years I played this EVEry EVEning , for the friends I made (and those I still still hang out with)... I had to get in on this. So many memories of the Unity wars, Interdiction, the fall of ISS, the first Nyx. As soon as the client downloads I'm going to have to see how Ushra'Khan are doing.
When my kids are old enough I'll be taking them to visit their ancestral homeland in Europe (we live in Australia now). When I am there I plan to visit Iceland and see some of the sights written about in the sagas. It would be awesome to find this monument still there, make it durable.
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Lucy tzung
Deep Strike Mining Divison
1
|
Posted - 2014.02.25 15:24:00 -
[444] - Quote
would be cool to see an in game replica of the monument on a planet though.
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Tomash Kovahlsky
Polish Task Forces C0VEN
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 00:32:00 -
[445] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:Malcanis wrote:Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:How many precious CCP resources are being thrown at this statue? How many coding-months dedicated to fixing / overhauling legacy code could have been purchased for the cost of this monument to the hubris of some people?
Eve is a virtual world. What is the point of a statue that the vast vast majority of the player base will never see, and most will never even hear about? CCP would have been better off coding this monument into the game and placing it in Jita.
It would have more value to more of the player base. How many old players will resub to get their name on the monument? How many will stick around for a while when they see how much has changed in EVE since they played? How many extra devs will CCP be able to afford with all this extra sub money? And most importantly of all, how will all this nerf hi-sec? Really, you think a ton of players will burn 12 or 15 dollars/ pounds to re-sub to get their player name engraved on a rock? I do.
I just resubscribed - on 3 accounts - after a 1.5yr break. |

Wolvson
Griff-Co
2
|
Posted - 2014.02.26 11:54:00 -
[446] - Quote
A magnificent idea, CCP! I am truly astonished!
Actually, when I look at the monument, I see a gamer in front of the screen. Not just EVE player, but ANY player. Wouldn't it be a first monument built to players? And, in a way, another step towards bigger recognition for player community?
One way, or the other, I like the idea very much. |

Skeecher
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
|
Posted - 2014.02.26 18:50:00 -
[447] - Quote
It's a clever move by CCP, and I can see other online games copying the idea when they see the publicity it will get, and it's not so bad looking. It's certainly more acceptable than what Games Workshop have outside their HQ 
The only problem it could have is the "monument" status of it. After all, it's going to have toon names on there of every active player. These aren't the names of real people, but ficticious character names. A few others in this thread have touched on the relation it will seem to have to the countless war memorials around the world. It may be seen as being disrespectful to these war memorials to have what some in the press might describe as a "parody" of them built.
Now, they say "all publicity is good publicity" but not if this monument is taken the wrong way. It may even result in it being defaced at some point in the future due to the bad taste that some will see in it's existance. You have to take into consideration the raw passion that people have for their war memorials. They're an almost taboo subject. Try to remember (for those in the UK) what the press thought of Brian Ferry's son when he was photographed swinging off the war memorial in London. So CCP needs to tread very carefully with this idea.
It may well be a marketing ploy to get players to sub the game so that they can get their names on it, but there could well be players who, because of reasons mentioned above, would rather not have their character names on it. So is there an opt-out for them?
Me? I see for what it is, just a bit of fun, but I'm just saying that others might not. |

xxMACKxx
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
0
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Posted - 2014.02.26 19:40:00 -
[448] - Quote
Will people who are active using PLEX be qualified for this? |

Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
2642
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Posted - 2014.02.26 22:10:00 -
[449] - Quote
I just bought myself a inscription on this monument for the ridiculously low price of one PLEX. You really should have added the option to buy inscription for non-main characters via the AURUM shop. After all, it's a vanity shop and there's no greater vanity than building a monument to yourself.
Why not step it up? 100 PLEXes to get your bust printed out in 3D, covered in electrolytic paint, silver plated and rhodinized. Around half life sized. And 1000 PLEXes for a ful life sized statue, printed out and hand painted to be placed outside at a court leading to the monument.
Anyway, it's better than pizza, I guess. Sovereignty and Population New Mining Mechanics |

Janden Rynd
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2014.02.27 23:19:00 -
[450] - Quote
Well, we're just over a day away from having the list of names for this thing frozen. It makes me wonder exactly how thoroughly that list will be vetted. CCP have said that innappropriate names will not be included, but according to what criteria? Will senseless strings of repeated letters be included as a "name?" How many cleverly and not so cleverly disguised profanities and obscenities will make their way onto this thing simply because no one paid enough attention to catch them? How many languages will the list be checked against? How many of those languages will be checked by native speakers who can catch the nuance of hidden meanings in these names? CCP already has a naming policy in place, but a quick look at local in just about any system will tell you that they don't take the time to enforce it; why should we expect them to do any better with this?
I have a feeling that when this monument is unveiled, there are going to be a lot of innapropriate names, and even more just plain ridiculous or meaningless stuff, that make their way onto its surface. Oh well; at least it will be in a place where hardly anyone will ever see it or care!
Abrazzar wrote:Anyway, it's better than pizza, I guess.
Blasphemy! |

Grimster
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2014.02.28 14:19:00 -
[451] - Quote
Some arse has made my alt my EvE account main - WTF!
Support flipping the bird too with cut 'n paste responses. Nice.
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Thylbana Nyx
Caldari Tax-Dodgers
0
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:07:00 -
[452] - Quote
Do we have a time on which this is happening? Upon the reset of the 1st, or the reset of the 28th because it starts the 1st, like 12:00 am begins the day? Some other time? |

Herr Otto Flick
Capstone Acquisitions
3
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Posted - 2014.02.28 20:30:00 -
[453] - Quote
I declare best name! You may kiss me... |

Anonymous Player
Alt Shift Q
0
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:28:00 -
[454] - Quote
Is there still a chance to get in on this thing? I looked for time information and cannot find it. Did I miss a page on this thread with a GM response on the time? |

Zander Kumamato
Madz Legion Madz Republic
14
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:11:00 -
[455] - Quote
Make better (more)(varied) missions, Make better (more) content, Make more ships!
Finish WiS (scrap WoD and use it for WiS instead!) and put the monument on a world in the New Eden in game universe and make it so we can go down and walk around it.
Something.
That real life 'monument' is a waste of money that could have been spent on the game! |

Anonymous Player
Alt Shift Q
0
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Posted - 2014.03.01 05:52:00 -
[456] - Quote
Zander Kumamato wrote:Make better (more)(varied) missions, Make better (more) content, Make more ships!
Finish WiS (scrap WoD and use it for WiS instead!) and put the monument on a world in the New Eden in game universe and make it so we can go down and walk around it.
Something.
That real life 'monument' is a waste of money that could have been spent on the game!
Also:
1 million years from now, the only structure left on earth is the eve online monument, the future super advanced civilizations HAVE NO CLUE about this ancient "new eden eve online" city that mysteriously vanished. *shelved next to Atlantis*
Personally, I'd rather be on a monument for a future advanced civilization to discover and ponder over than have some crappy monument in the game. I can already access the game, why do I need a monument with my name on it in the game? |

Severed Logic
AETCO
0
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Posted - 2014.03.01 08:35:00 -
[457] - Quote
Thylbana Nyx wrote:Do we have a time on which this is happening? Upon the reset of the 1st, or the reset of the 28th because it starts the 1st, like 12:00 am begins the day? Some other time?
Indeed i'd like to know this, i'd like to give my buddy some money to resub his account, if it's not too late (8:30 eve time). |

DRACOincarnation
Krupp-Stahl The Initiative.
9
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Posted - 2014.03.01 10:09:00 -
[458] - Quote
Also curious how "main" is defined.... |

Thylbana Nyx
Caldari Tax-Dodgers
1
|
Posted - 2014.03.01 12:43:00 -
[459] - Quote
DRACOincarnation wrote:Also curious how "main" is defined.... Your character with the highest skill points
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Thylbana Nyx
Caldari Tax-Dodgers
1
|
Posted - 2014.03.01 12:44:00 -
[460] - Quote
Severed Logic wrote:Thylbana Nyx wrote:Do we have a time on which this is happening? Upon the reset of the 1st, or the reset of the 28th because it starts the 1st, like 12:00 am begins the day? Some other time? Indeed i'd like to know this, i'd like to give my buddy some money to resub his account, if it's not too late (8:30 eve time).
Whatever it was, it's over now. Hope I get this character's name and not the one I deleted.  |

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd Ferguson Alliance
223
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Posted - 2014.03.01 15:08:00 -
[461] - Quote
Could a dev please answer the question about time (when the list was (will be) compiled)? I assume it was this past downtime but please let us know. |

jin ko82
Mine Your 0wn Business Brothers of Tangra
36
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:29:00 -
[462] - Quote
******* use the money this is going to take to fix eve maybe? |

Skeecher
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.03.01 17:34:00 -
[463] - Quote
People shouldn't worry so much about whether they'll be on it or not. From reading about it, it doesn't look as if it will last that long, not when it's been exposed to the Icelandic weather for a few years.
And some seem to think it's going to be monolithic in size. Remember, it's only 5 metres to it's highest point and all the names are going to be on the base section of it, probably 0.5cm for each one, all tightly packed together.
So think "Spinal Tap" for this idea rather than some massive permanent structure  |

Whoaness JWong
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
0
|
Posted - 2014.03.01 21:08:00 -
[464] - Quote
I was thinking, they should post a list of name that are going to be on the monument!
Then, maybe it's bad to post people's character names? I dunno, an email verification could be good too. Seems like a big deal to not go unconfirmed if your name mistakenly got left out. |

Baneken
The Scope Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2014.03.02 00:52:00 -
[465] - Quote
Dunno about the rest who resubbed recently but for me the timing was convenient.
This monument is to celebrate EVE and all the characters that made it happen. They chose character names because our characters are the ones being part of EVE and not our RL names.
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Grimster
Reikoku Pandemic Legion
4
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Posted - 2014.03.02 12:11:00 -
[466] - Quote
Thylbana Nyx wrote:DRACOincarnation wrote:Also curious how "main" is defined.... Your character with the highest skill points
Not necessarily true.
Petition and correspondence with GM's stated my alt was actually my main, said alt having maybe 20% of the skill points of the main character.
I re-petitioned and was then told by a different GM that my main was actually my main, so got there eventually. Whether they made a change or not I neither know nor care. |

Whoaness JWong
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:31:00 -
[467] - Quote
It's been a while. Anything about the March 1st recording? |

Beor0d
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.03.04 15:26:00 -
[468] - Quote
I forgot to reactivate my account before that date  |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
11216
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:27:00 -
[469] - Quote
As per the latest blog you will have a new chance at March 31st
/c
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Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
416
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Posted - 2014.03.06 22:48:00 -
[470] - Quote
Is anyone else going to be paying a PLEX (or two) to leave a message for the future inside the monument? |

Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations CODE.
4118
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Posted - 2014.03.07 06:10:00 -
[471] - Quote
Yes, Yes.
 See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did. |

Jeremiah Saken
State Protectorate Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.03.07 10:14:00 -
[472] - Quote
Quote:Is anyone else going to be paying a PLEX (or two) to leave a message for the future inside the monument?
"D-scan, you fools!" |

Felicity Love
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1573
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Posted - 2014.03.11 15:28:00 -
[473] - Quote
No.
If I'm around in 25 years, I'll have plenty to say.
If I'm not around, well, what does it really matter ?
In the meantime, 2 PLEX for a video recording ?
Christ... this is "Monocle Level" milking of the sacred cow...
... and I was just saying the other day, "Damn, I miss Soundwave"....
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Stan Durden
Revenant Tactical
13
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Posted - 2014.03.12 15:31:00 -
[474] - Quote
My initial (and still current) reaction is: They are actually building a giant space dildo?
Seems like a mistake in design to me. |

Delteeno
Boa Innovations Brothers of Tangra
5
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Posted - 2014.03.27 18:37:00 -
[475] - Quote
[quote=Skeecher] The only problem it could have is the "monument" status of it. After all, it's going to have toon names on there of every active player. These aren't the names of real people, but ficticious character names. A few others in this thread have touched on the relation it will seem to have to the countless war memorials around the world. It may be seen as being disrespectful to these war memorials to have what some in the press might describe as a "parody" of them built.
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Would it count if Vile Rat's name was included? I know that's still the name of a fictional character but still...
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KIller Wabbit
The Scope Gallente Federation
552
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Posted - 2014.04.15 00:34:00 -
[476] - Quote
Rome's burning - let's build monuments.... CCP Punkturis-á "I want to get in on the goodposter circle jerk!"
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Zad Murrard
Pulssi Inc.
12
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Posted - 2014.04.27 07:18:00 -
[477] - Quote
Just noticed the 'catch' with main character.
In most of my accounts I consider the main char to be the first char that was in the account. Oh well, now the names will be random alts which were bought from character bazaar.
CCP: For the next monument and also for dual/triple training going off, would be nice if in account management one could set the 'main' character. |

raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
411
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Posted - 2014.04.29 16:17:00 -
[478] - Quote
Yo guys, I was feeding the pigeons at Reykjavik harbor and came across this thing photo.jpg Huh? It must be the new EVE Monument! Don't miss out 1st hand pics! #unreleased Banned from forums You have been banned from the EVE Gate forums, effective through 11/15/2013 12:33:03 PM. |

Scheulagh Santorine
The Math Department
14
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Posted - 2014.04.29 19:36:00 -
[479] - Quote
raven666wings wrote:Yo guys, I was feeding the pigeons at Reykjavik harbor and came across this thing photo.jpg Huh?  Must be the new EVE Monument! Don't miss out 1st hand pics! #unreleased
I scoped it earlier today, too. Looks good. I wonder why they put it right next to the Maritime museum...
S. Santorine |

Pix Severus
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
855
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Posted - 2014.04.29 21:28:00 -
[480] - Quote
Photos of the monument found on Reddit. |

Rainus Max
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra
43
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:36:00 -
[481] - Quote
Anyone know if there is a 'fallen corp mates' section or are they just integrated in the full list?
Tried searching for the guy in my corp who died several years ago but nothing came up - CEO did petition to request he be added. |

JC Anderson
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
1073
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Posted - 2014.05.01 06:48:00 -
[482] - Quote
Rainus Max wrote:Anyone know if there is a 'fallen corp mates' section or are they just integrated in the full list?
Tried searching for the guy in my corp who died several years ago but nothing came up - CEO did petition to request he be added.
I read on the monument info that fallen corp members had to be registered with CCP before that date by a third party in the game in order to make the list.
Also keep in mind that the finder isn't working entirely yet. CCP said there are issues with it that are preventing some names from being found.
I couldn't mind mine either, and have been playing for 9 years with an active account the date the names were pulled. ;)
Edit: Saw that your CEO did petition. It's quite possible hes simply one of the names that the finder is having problems locating. |

Lelira Cirim
EVE University Ivy League
139
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Posted - 2014.05.05 07:35:00 -
[483] - Quote
Scheulagh Santorine wrote:I scoped it earlier today, too. Looks good. I wonder why they put it right next to the Maritime museum... /me shrugs. Considering you can see boats outside the windows of the CCP offices, is there anything not next to a maritime museum in Reykjav+¡k?  I'm sure the actual answer is "permits". Do not actively tank my patience. |

Locke DieDrake
The Arrow Project
15
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Posted - 2014.05.05 23:09:00 -
[484] - Quote
Janden Rynd wrote:The latest bad idea in the string of bad ideas that is the EVE monument: using an SSD as a time capsule and actually expecting it to last 25 years.A storage medium with a maximum data retention shelf life of five years, being expected to last five times that long. Hordes of customers paying real money (or its equivalent) to have their messages preserved on such a medium. I'm sure this will end well! My advice: don't bother paying for any time capsule messages. Unless CCP changes their storage medium, this is quite literally a scam. Nothing readable will be left on that SSD after 10 years, let alone 25.
You apparently have no idea how an SSD works. It won't degrade if it isn't used. So once the messages are on it, and assuming it isn't degraded by environmental factors like water or rust, the data will be perfectly fine. |

Prokonsul Piotrus
Prokonsular Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.05.17 01:34:00 -
[485] - Quote
Attention, CCP and anybody who would like to make this monument (and EVE) better known. Also, legal geeks.
Do you realize that Iceland has problematic, pre-Internet freedom of panorama? This means that legally, if a photo of the monument is published on the Internet, however owns the copyright (CCP/artist(s) depending on their legal contract details) can sue the websites to receive renumeration. Now, I am not expecting they do, rather, the problem is that a tiny number of websites care about it enough not to accept such pictures from Iceland (and other similarly affected countries). Now, you may ask - who cares about those few paranoid/lawful websites? Well, one of them is Wikipedia. You know, the site we all use every day, and whose article about EVE Online is viewed every day by about 1,000 people. Wikipedia, being a small NGO with donations-run budget has a policy of purging all images which could get it sued. What that means is that Wikipedia will never display a picture of the monument, UNLESS CCP (whose representatives are, I hope, reading this) can do a simple thing.
Wikipedia can accept such pictures is the copyright holder of the picture and of the art object in question agrees to use a free license, such as Creative Commons. So, CCP, if you truly want to world to be able to legally view the monument, and help spread info about EVE, please change the licensing of the monument (you could append its description at EVE Monument to reflect it). Then you could upload a picture to Wikipedia and add it to the article (see this page for some legal details). Or I can help. I have helped dozens of artists and organizations get pictures on Wikipedia that otherwise would be illegal for it to host (most recently I arranged for the this article to have a picture).
On that note, it would be nice to spice up the general EVE Online article at Wikipedia with few more screenshots to make it more appealing to those 1,000+ viewers each day... same procedure applies - you just have to relicence some of your promotional materials to CC-BY-SA and it's all good. If any CCP lawyer raises concerns, remind them that fans are reusing all mater of copyrighted content anyway and you are ok with it, so this would be just legally acknowledging that you like us to do so, and enabling better promotion of EVE stuff on sites like Wikipedia.
PM me or better, email me if you want to get in touch with me about that, CCP. |

Prokonsul Piotrus
Prokonsular Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.06.09 01:12:00 -
[486] - Quote
Hmmm, it appears that nobody really cares about promoting this monument much. Oh well, I though tit was cool.
At this point I am stopping monitoring this thread for updates (closing this tab). Anybody who wants me to notice any replies here, PM me or email me. Cheers, |
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