You know what we did to clean it up?

A lot of people won't like this.

We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.

Moderating got very easy after that and things started getting done. The crazies were gone like ghosts at dawn. The other subforums dealing in technical matters mainly flourished and only people with something meaningful to post remained.


I think roughly half of the GD threads are about game features or mechanics, and yet it's said in GD that a thread getting moved to F&I is "going there to die".

But trust me on this, removing GD was the best thing we did on that other forum.

EDIT: Technically there is a sub forum for every potential topic so technically GD is really a waste of space....with your line of thought that is..

Perfect example of what I'm talking about.

Neat content, but WTF is "My Eve?" I visit the forums regularly, and have never heard of that sub forum before, nor do I particularly care to visit it. IMO the whole "move to a subforum" has gotten a little over-zealous.

Edit: Upon further investigation, "My Eve" looks like a dying sub-forum on ISD life support with maybe 20 posts a day. In other words: where threads go to die.

At one of the recent CSM meetings CCP fielded a question to the CSMs. Loosely paraphrased, they asked, "Why don't we experience more forum activity from our subscriber base?".

The CSMs answered all sorts of things; the user interface of the forum. The inability to properly link videos/pictures. Not enough constant communication from devs about issues. All pretty reasonable criticisms.

Unfortunately, it seems the CSM left out the most important criticism of all. I'd like to quote a post from a recent thread, made by user Bedwyr McNobbler. While Bedwyr was just making a simple analysis - I do believe he hit the nail on the head.

"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."

That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it.

Until the culture is changed - through the proper enforcement of EULA and TOS policies - the EVE-O forums will continue down this road and be nothing but a place for e-spaceship elitists to gather and poke fun at everything that comes through.

At one of the recent CSM meetings CCP fielded a question to the CSMs. Loosely paraphrased, they asked, "Why don't we experience more forum activity from our subscriber base?".

The CSMs answered all sorts of things; the user interface of the forum. The inability to properly link videos/pictures. Not enough constant communication from devs about issues. All pretty reasonable criticisms.

Unfortunately, it seems the CSM left out the most important criticism of all. I'd like to quote a post from a recent thread, made by user Bedwyr McNobbler. While Bedwyr was just making a simple analysis - I do believe he hit the nail on the head.

"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."

That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it.

Until the culture is changed - through the proper enforcement of EULA and TOS policies - the EVE-O forums will continue down this road and be nothing but a place for e-spaceship elitists to gather and poke fun at everything that comes through.

WTF is "My Eve?"

IMO the whole "move to a subforum" has gotten a little over-zealous.

As for the eve-o forums, the answer is pretty simple. If I was to start a topic about interceptors or the Nestor, for example, it would get moved to ships & modules or F&I. That's all well and good, but in GD it would reach a wider audience. People that don't normally visit Ships & Modules or F&I might have something to contribute, something that they wouldn't do if I post it to a forum with a narrower audience.

I have to ask, without GD, which sub-forum would the Jita Riots go in?

Is it linked to Tuxford's button?

Upon further investigation, "My Eve" looks like a dying sub-forum on ISD life support with maybe 20 posts a day. In other words: where threads go to die.

At one of the recent CSM meetings CCP fielded a question to the CSMs. Loosely paraphrased, they asked, "Why don't we experience more forum activity from our subscriber base?".

The CSMs answered all sorts of things; the user interface of the forum. The inability to properly link videos/pictures. Not enough constant communication from devs about issues. All pretty reasonable criticisms.

Unfortunately, it seems the CSM left out the most important criticism of all. I'd like to quote a post from a recent thread, made by user Bedwyr McNobbler. While Bedwyr was just making a simple analysis - I do believe he hit the nail on the head.

"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."

That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it.

Until the culture is changed - through the proper enforcement of EULA and TOS policies - the EVE-O forums will continue down this road and be nothing but a place for e-spaceship elitists to gather and poke fun at everything that comes through.

I personally think its the n-¦zis' moderating the forum, aka the ISD that make the forums inactive.

Want to post a thread about something? Locked, duplicate thread, go find it yourself 40 pages back in a different forum.
Want to post a thread criticizing CCP? Locked, stop trolling bro, our game can''t be bad.

They even censor the word n-¦zis normally.

I personally think its the n-¦zis' moderating the forum, aka the ISD that make the forums inactive.

Want to post a thread about something? Locked, duplicate thread, go find it yourself 40 pages back in a different forum.
Want to post a thread criticizing CCP? Locked, stop trolling bro, our game can''t be bad.

They even censor the word n-¦zis normally.

22. Post constructively.

Negative feedback can be very useful to further improve EVE Online provided that it is presented in a civil and factual manner. All users are encouraged to honestly express their feelings regarding EVE Online and how it can be improved. Posts that are non-constructive, insulting or in breach of the rules will be deleted regardless of how valid the ideas behind them may be. Users are also reminded that posting with a lack of content also constitutes non-constructive posting.

From where I'm standing, the posting of threads in the wrong subforum has gotten a little over-zealous.

Trying to not kill discussion is why we've been making an effort to leave behind "[Moved] etc etc" threads redirecting to the new location. I agree that leaving discussions as they are may be good sometimes, but that's a judgment call that can introduce the dreaded ISD bias~~, so it's better all around as a moderator to (apparently draconically) apply rules to everything equally.

Thank you for your offer. We currently have no need for a scammer or a troll. I will let you know should that change.

Dont hold your breath, though.

I think part of the problem is this post:

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3887799#post3887799

Let's be honest for a moment. The guy that convinces his marks to rub mayonnaise and miracle whip all over themselves so that he gets pictures to spread around for e-fame is not the best candidate for a moderator position.

That being said, I wouldn't mind seeing someone like Mynna in an ISD position. It's not so much about where you're from in game as it is about your actions, I think.

There are rules that prevent him from acting like a butte and dire consequences if he did. I see no issue with letting anyone who hasn't ate an in game ban perform moderation. It brings diversity to the points of view of the moderators which would be a good thing.

Yeah....but diversity isn't always a good thing. For instance, I wouldn't want a former drug cartel leader on a police force. While I'm sure said cartel leader would have some...unique... insights into law enforcement, and might occassionally be able to contribute to establishing law and order through "street cred," it's still not a good idea.

I would want that leader consulting with my police force that is focused on taking down drug cartel leaders. The point stands set the cut off at "people that can't abide by the TOS and ate some form of ban" not "people who decide to be 'bad guys' in EVE."

Consulting? Sure. On the actual police force? Not gonna happen. Anyway, it's all a moot point really. I just want fewer decent threads moved to dead subforums.

I agree with you, I think having more diversity would help that.

Maybe, but there are probably limits to the "diversity" CCP is willing to tolerate, and Erotica1 crashes through those limits and then throws it into overdrive. It can be entertaining sometimes, but yeah...

There is no conspiracy to silence some people and the group they apparently represent. Do you people ever find something you can't cry about?

No matter who CCP hires, or allow to volunteer as the case may be, the rules that they enforce don't change. CCP make the rules. ISD enforces them. Period. If they don't enforce them or overstep their mandate, they get a stern talking to. Or we just don't see them anymore.

By the same token, why offer the position to someone who has proved on many occasions that they can't even follow the rules let alone enforce them? Makes no sense to me.

Seriously. Some of you people have such a major persecution complex.

Mr Epeen