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Your Dad Naked
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:46:00 -
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At one of the recent CSM meetings CCP fielded a question to the CSMs. Loosely paraphrased, they asked, "Why don't we experience more forum activity from our subscriber base?".
The CSMs answered all sorts of things; the user interface of the forum. The inability to properly link videos/pictures. Not enough constant communication from devs about issues. All pretty reasonable criticisms.
Unfortunately, it seems the CSM left out the most important criticism of all. I'd like to quote a post from a recent thread, made by user Bedwyr McNobbler. While Bedwyr was just making a simple analysis - I do believe he hit the nail on the head.
"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."
That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it.
Until the culture is changed - through the proper enforcement of EULA and TOS policies - the EVE-O forums will continue down this road and be nothing but a place for e-spaceship elitists to gather and poke fun at everything that comes through. |
Collie Buddz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2014.02.05 21:52:00 -
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The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums. |
RatKnight1
Dirty Old Bastards
Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:01:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:At one of the recent CSM meetings CCP fielded a question to the CSMs. Loosely paraphrased, they asked, "Why don't we experience more forum activity from our subscriber base?".
The CSMs answered all sorts of things; the user interface of the forum. The inability to properly link videos/pictures. Not enough constant communication from devs about issues. All pretty reasonable criticisms.
Unfortunately, it seems the CSM left out the most important criticism of all. I'd like to quote a post from a recent thread, made by user Bedwyr McNobbler. While Bedwyr was just making a simple analysis - I do believe he hit the nail on the head.
"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."
That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it.
Until the culture is changed - through the proper enforcement of EULA and TOS policies - the EVE-O forums will continue down this road and be nothing but a place for e-spaceship elitists to gather and poke fun at everything that comes through.
HTFU |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2303
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:04:00 -
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Interestingly enough, one can say much the same thing about the game itself.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Nirati Anturasi
Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:05:00 -
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In B4 ISD LackOfFaith slits wrists at the mere idea of more forum traffic. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:06:00 -
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Wait...is a toon named Your Dad Naked feeling a little posterior pain over the quality of the forums? Perhaps have even been the victim of a little ribbing by the community?
Are you serious? If you want to be taken seriously, post with an appropriately named character, with quality content, in the appropriate forums. If you are unable to do so, please see RatKnight1's post above.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
unidenify
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:10:00 -
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when I read this, I think about World of Tanks. some players just plain hate pub for no reason, and tend to be very toxic in forum by flame to any players who try to give advice that don't match their belief (good example is few players flame pubs for cap base instead kill all enemy even though they still win).
no idea if ban them help or not.
picture may help but not really important. (WoW forum do it fine without picture/video) |
Mr LaboratoryRat
Confederation of DuckTape Lovers
48
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:12:00 -
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Intelligent people playing an intelligent game that all turns around greed and backstabbing ends up in such a forum |
Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:14:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Are you serious? If you want to be taken seriously, post with an appropriately named character, with quality content, in the appropriate forums. If you are unable to do so, please see RatKnight1's post above.
Do you even play EVE? Or is forum trolling your full-time gig?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:17:00 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Are you serious? If you want to be taken seriously, post with an appropriately named character, with quality content, in the appropriate forums. If you are unable to do so, please see RatKnight1's post above. Do you even play EVE? Or is forum trolling your full-time gig?
Baby, with hardware like mine, I can do both.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1116
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:20:00 -
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We do what we can to make the forums better, but it only works up to a point. In general, the various subforums are far better about being constructive, and have far better communities than GD (and a few others). That is, in part, why I try to move threads to more specific subforums if possible.
Nirati Anturasi wrote:In B4 ISD LackOfFaith slits wrists at the mere idea of more forum traffic.
Do not underestimate the power of the force nerd. That's all I'm gonna say. 
ISD LackOfFaith
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
@ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
4010
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:23:00 -
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My dear old Dad used to wisely say, "If you don't have anything bad to say, don't post". I do my best to live by his sainted words.
Remember this, happy people have no reason to post. They're happy and playing the game. So who does that leave to fill the forums? Haters, bro. Haters, trolls and me.
Mr Epeen 
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass! |
GreenSeed
945
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:26:00 -
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the topic is bullshit, eve is full of buffed up hyper macho space men. anything else, its just the liberal media and their lies.
source: i heard it on comms, so it must be true. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9964
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:29:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Do not underestimate the power of the force nerd. That's all I'm gonna say.
If you weren't an ISD, id inform you that calling the GD regulars "nerds" would more than likely end badly for you....
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Qalix
Long Jump.
79
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:29:00 -
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I find your post ironic. The forum was much more active back when the spreadsheeting neckbeards were busily responding to threads. While there have always been a fair share of trolls and malcontents (maybe a larger than usual share, I'll admit), there has always been plenty of good information being given out.
Over the past 18months or so, CCP has had a rather severe crackdown on anything and everything that might be considered trolling etc. There's some unpleasantness around, but all you have to do is go to EVE Search and look at this date two years ago to see how much it has changed. I suspect they did it precisely for the reason you bring up in your post. But even when the trolls are basically eliminated from the equation, like in the New Player subforum, the activity is way down (at least until the last week or so).
It isn't about the forum culture, it's about how many people are actually playing the game these days and how many of those are people in need of information on the forums. Personally, I think it's probably a good indicator that the majority of current players are old timers.
Strangely, your post is a bit troll-ish. Perhaps you should have a mod lock the thread. |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1048
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:30:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Wait...is a toon named Your Dad Naked feeling a little posterior pain over the quality of the forums? Perhaps have even been the victim of a little ribbing by the community?
Are you serious? If you want to be taken seriously, post with an appropriately named character, with quality content, in the appropriate forums. If you are unable to do so, please see RatKnight1's post above.
Yeah! Get a proper name or GTFO.
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Rhes
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
626
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:31:00 -
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Collie Buddz wrote:The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums.
Nah, the Eve subreddit is filled to the brim with bitter TEST members griping about how they got removed from nullsec. It's not informative at all.
EVE is a game about spaceships and there's an enormous amount of work to do on the in-space gameplay before players (or developers) are ready to sacrifice it for a totally new type of gameplay - CCP Rise |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2304
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:32:00 -
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@Qalix:
The Mintchip Trollmageddon was a pretty severe throttling of forum activity. I blame that.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan
Turing Tested
217
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:33:00 -
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wat teh F is thees S |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1116
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:35:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Do not underestimate the power of the force nerd. That's all I'm gonna say. If you weren't an ISD, id inform you that calling the GD regulars "nerds" would more than likely end badly for you....
I was calling myself a nerd. As in, don't underestimate how much spam an ISD can deal with. Being a nerd is relevant because of reasons.
ISD LackOfFaith
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
@ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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stoicfaux
4018
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:35:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:
"This is the EVE forums, a place occupied by spreadsheet neckbeards with little to say outside of bashing a players ship choice and/or fitting or playstyle. Do not expect any sort of sympathy, useful comments or friendliness."
That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it.
I mostly disagree. Yes, the forums do see a noticeable amount of trolling, baiting, and rudeness, but I do think the useful opinions and comments outweigh the negative.
I think there are two problems:
The first is most people aren't aware of the useful sections of the forums, e.g. namely that upcoming changes are announced via the Features and Innovation sub-forum.
I blame the EVE launcher which is the "first" thing people see (especially newbies.) Is there a link to the forums on the Launcher? Nope. Can you find any proposed changes (i.e. F&I topics) listed in the Launcher? No? Then you might as well call them "proposed surprises". Why is the Launcher window so small in size? Then there's the problem of "auto play," which encourages people to ignore any information on the Launcher in the first place.
If I were a marketing/advertising person, I would see the Launcher as a primary means of catching people's attention/mindshare/whatever.
Secondly, given the length and complexity of some of the threadnaughts, having a simple linear list of posts makes it difficult to follow a thread. What we really need are nested sub-threads to handle when people go off on tangents or introduce sub-conversations (i.e. similar to how slashdot comments are organized.)
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4279
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:38:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:We do what we can to make the forums better, but it only works up to a point. In general, the various subforums are far better about being constructive, and have far better communities than GD (and a few others). That is, in part, why I try to move threads to more specific subforums if possible. Nirati Anturasi wrote:In B4 ISD LackOfFaith slits wrists at the mere idea of more forum traffic. Do not underestimate the power of the force nerd. That's all I'm gonna say.
I was once a forum moderator (and for so long, I still am even though I don't go there any more) for a web forum that is like a shining beacon for .... blowhards, egomaniacs, and borderline mentally ill (thanks to the media demonizing what that board was all about and making it attractive to the sickintheheads).
You know what we did to clean it up?
A lot of people won't like this.
We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.
Moderating got very easy after that and things started getting done. The crazies were gone like ghosts at dawn. The other subforums dealing in technical matters mainly flourished and only people with something meaningful to post remained.
I think roughly half of the GD threads are about game features or mechanics, and yet it's said in GD that a thread getting moved to F&I is "going there to die".
But trust me on this, removing GD was the best thing we did on that other forum. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy
The ROC
2304
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:40:00 -
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Oh, come now Herzog, at least tell us which board it was.
I once moderated for Librarium Online, there. Now you show me yours.
Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
Arbitrary Spaceship Destruction
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
113
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:42:00 -
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The quote that OP is citing in his post was in and of itself a troll. Is metatrolling permitted??
... nb4 ISD Ezwal ...
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1117
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:42:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.
Well, I can't do that. That would be up to CCP. I can however write a script to lock everything in GD!  Not that I ever considered doing it or anything.
ISD LackOfFaith
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
@ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Carmen Electra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
291
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Posted - 2014.02.05 22:48:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You know what we did to clean it up?
A lot of people won't like this.
We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.
This needs to happen. What must I do?
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
9968
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:07:00 -
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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:... nb4 ISD Ezwal ...
Your lack of faith in ISD LackOfFaith is disturbing.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1048
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:11:00 -
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Rhes wrote:Collie Buddz wrote:The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums. Nah, the Eve subreddit is filled to the brim with bitter TEST members griping about how they got removed from nullsec. It's not informative at all.
You guys have a real hard-on for test these days. If I didn't know better, from all the bitter posts of late I would almost think that it was Test that took the CFC's space and not the other way around. It's a bit weird tbh.
Also, of the 25 threads on the first page of eve reddit atm, only 1 has anything to do with test. So yeah....don't know what Rhes is talking about.
As for the eve-o forums, the answer is pretty simple. If I was to start a topic about interceptors or the Nestor, for example, it would get moved to ships & modules or F&I. That's all well and good, but in GD it would reach a wider audience. People that don't normally visit Ships & Modules or F&I might have something to contribute, something that they wouldn't do if I post it to a forum with a narrower audience.
GD used to have more discussion overall, both constructive and otherwise. IMO using GD as a sort of 'front page' for the forums would be better than the current implementation, because you essentially cutoff parts of the eve-o forums from a casual visitor.
Someone that isn't a regular forumite might not care to visit 5 or 6 distinct sub-forums, but might occasionally visit 1 or 2.
As it is, GD is mainly used for trolling-lite. Just my 2 isk. |
stoicfaux
4020
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:11:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:You know what we did to clean it up?
A lot of people won't like this.
We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION.
Moderating got very easy after that and things started getting done. The crazies were gone like ghosts at dawn. The other subforums dealing in technical matters mainly flourished and only people with something meaningful to post remained.
I think roughly half of the GD threads are about game features or mechanics, and yet it's said in GD that a thread getting moved to F&I is "going there to die".
But trust me on this, removing GD was the best thing we did on that other forum.
Ugh, yeah from what I've seen, removing GD works, but I personally hate it. Without a GD board you seem to lose the sense of community. OTOH, maybe it's because I haven't seen a non-GD forum set up "correctly."
I have to ask, without GD, which sub-forum would the Jita Riots go in?
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4280
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Posted - 2014.02.05 23:11:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We REMOVED GENERAL DISCUSSION. Well, I can't do that. That would be up to CCP. I can however write a script to lock everything in GD! Not that I ever considered doing it or anything.
Is it linked to Tuxford's button? |
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