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Ammzi
Love Squad Black Legion.
1656
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:11:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Interestingly enough, one can say much the same thing about the game itself.
Don't you dare.
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Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
87
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:23:00 -
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Instead of getting rid of General Discussion, rename it to "Anything Goes Discussion" and move it to the bottom of the forum list. Then let people have at it.
The problem now is that it's the first forum listed after New Citizen. |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1227
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Posted - 2014.02.06 16:35:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:@Qalix:
The Mintchip Trollmageddon was a pretty severe throttling of forum activity. I blame that. By their own petards, hoist.
 It was high comedy, whilst it lasted.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
10008
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Posted - 2014.02.06 18:25:00 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Also, I'm not sure how you guys are getting away with discussing moderation. I'm not supposed to moderate a thing I'm actively involved in, and trying to get someone else's attention on this thread has gone poorly so far. I'll try semaphores and signal fires next.
I can think of a way, but If I do it, even for the greater good of the thread or to help out an ISD, ill be on vacation for a long while.... Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2320
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Posted - 2014.02.06 18:30:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Also, I'm not sure how you guys are getting away with discussing moderation. I'm not supposed to moderate a thing I'm actively involved in, and trying to get someone else's attention on this thread has gone poorly so far. I'll try semaphores and signal fires next. I can think of a way, but If I do it, even for the greater good of the thread or to help out an ISD, ill be on vacation for a long while....
Oh, now you have piqued my curiosity. At least PM it to me. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Malcolm Shinhwa
Bad Touches
1116
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Posted - 2014.02.06 18:33:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:ISD LackOfFaith wrote:Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:Also, I'm not sure how you guys are getting away with discussing moderation. I'm not supposed to moderate a thing I'm actively involved in, and trying to get someone else's attention on this thread has gone poorly so far. I'll try semaphores and signal fires next. I can think of a way, but If I do it, even for the greater good of the thread or to help out an ISD, ill be on vacation for a long while.... Oh, now you have piqued my curiosity. At least PM it to me.
I'm going to go with "Embarrassing Gifs" for 1000 Alex! I know violence isn't the answer. I got it wrong on purpose. |

Pinky Hops
Spartan's DNA
433
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Posted - 2014.02.06 18:41:00 -
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Collie Buddz wrote:The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums.
It's because you can downvote threads there.
You would never see threads like "What would happen if CCP nerfed highsec?" on the EVE subreddit, because the vast majority of people will laugh at the moronic thread and downvote it into the abyss.
Thus, we have a forum where terrible threads are bumped by terrible posters consistently. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4282
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Posted - 2014.02.06 19:16:00 -
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I should add that on my old forum, there are roughly 10 moderators and we spent several months internally debating the removal of our General Discussion forum.
That people gravitate towards GD as the linchpin of the forum is self-fulfilling of GD. To say that everybody goes to GD means getting rid of it will result in nobody coming to the forum is only because you have a GD in the first place acting as a central point. So there was a concern that nobody would use the forum "because everybody posts in GD". But after several months of observation, everybody was posting in GD because there was a GD.
Now in order "cover everything", we had to look at what is mostly found in GD and either discard that or give it a subforum. The Eve forums have plenty of subforums and a lot of GD threads get moved there. What else is found in a typical GD forum?
- Rants - ePeen contests - "generalized" questions about the topic that the forums center on. For example in the Eve forums we could see a thread like "Why do people play this game?" or something more "philosophical" like "why do you play this game?" - Direct questions that need to go to a specific subforum. - Politics of the topic of the forums. The Eve version of this would be the "highsec versus nullsec" threads for example. - Egomaniacal endeavors - Anything that the subforums do not cover.
At my old forum, we did for a time create a "rants" subforum for anything goes ranting and most of what plagued GD ended up there, but the rants forums because 10 times more the stain than GD was. It did prove one point though: that GD is an environment for ass-hattery, but not the best environment for it because where you find ass-hats in GD, so you also find the anti-bodies for ass-hats. Giving the low end of the posting pool their own petri dish had us questioning humanity after a month.
So all of this happened in 2001 and the GD forum was removed in 2002 and to this day there is still no GD there. Was "overall traffic" affected? Yes indeed. But what did we lose? We lost mainly the trolls. In fact, the "useful posters" who were there in 2002 are still there now, and some of them in the last 12 years I eventually met in person - heck I even stayed at the home of one of them for a few months. Without the trolls and the babysitting a real community took shape. You do lose quantity, but gain in quality and this I say is from personal experience.
Would the loss of GD here damage the community? We would have to ask what kind of community. I could see the "nullsec versus highsec" and the "nullsec/highsec/lowsec" issues getting their own subforums. A lot of GD is just that. Why not have a "soapbox" section for each zone? Other posts regard the woes of the noob, the "how can I deal with these veterans?" posts (and much trollage ensues) But maybe the grievances of new players would be better served in their own forum? How about a "bitter vets" subforum as well so we can boast about how many feet of snow (uphill) we had to MWD through before WTZ?
... and things like that. Removal of GD would be a good thing, but it would take some observation and some work and maybe a few subforums. When my board dumped the GD, we took the main points of the common GD posts and made a specific-issue-discussion forum and also a "news" subforum along with a "welcome" and a well-moderations "Q&A" forum and everything worked out.
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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1067
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:21:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I could see the "nullsec versus highsec" and the "nullsec/highsec/lowsec" issues getting their own subforums.
Yes, what these forums need is MORE unused subforums. There are 38 english language subforums alone. FFS we don't need more, we need less. |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1067
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:38:00 -
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Personally, I would combine the following subforums: ~GD and My Eve ~Jita Parks and Assembly Hall
That's for starters. I would also nuke CAOD from orbit. There is literally nothing of merit there. They can keep that **** on the comments section of TMC, Eve24, reddit, and certain sites that shall not be named. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Academy The ROC
2321
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:41:00 -
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Quote:~Jita Parks and Assembly Hall
Oh, very much this. There is just about no reason why they are separate. Not posting on my main, and loving it.-á Because free speech.-á |

Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
0
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Posted - 2014.02.06 20:53:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:That is spot on. That is the reason why most people who have thought about posting here haven't by the end of it. That is the reason why most people who have posted here have stopped posting here by the end of it. {My emphasis}
I'm dropping out of lurking status to respond to this statement in particular. How do you know this? Have you taken an exit poll of people that have come to the forums and not posted? Or posted for a time and then stopped. Have you interviewed a sufficient number of these individuals to be able to come to this as the concensus reason for why most people have stopped posting? I hate blanket statements like this that make an assumption based on personal bias.
I have visited the forums often since I started the game last November, but I have never posted. Not because I was afraid of flames and trolls, but simply because I didn't have anything to say and I was mostly just looking for answers to questions that I found with simple searches. Don't presume to speak for "most people" unless you have the data to back it up. Of course, if you have a statistically viable, non-anecdotale basis on which that statement is based, then I apologize and please feel free to post the numbers. |

Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
1228
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:01:00 -
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Pinky Hops wrote:Collie Buddz wrote:The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums. It's because you can downvote threads there. You would never see threads like "What would happen if CCP nerfed highsec?" on the EVE subreddit, because the vast majority of people will laugh at the moronic thread and downvote it into the abyss. Thus, we have a forum where terrible threads are bumped by terrible posters consistently. The alternative problem exists, though - Politics and popularity and fashion come into play where you have the ability to demote (or promote) threads. Censorship by popularity can be every bit as tyranical as a our ISDs are (falsely, IMO) reputed to be.
Groupthink sets in. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1609
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:42:00 -
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Plastic Psycho wrote:Pinky Hops wrote:Collie Buddz wrote:The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums. It's because you can downvote threads there. You would never see threads like "What would happen if CCP nerfed highsec?" on the EVE subreddit, because the vast majority of people will laugh at the moronic thread and downvote it into the abyss. Thus, we have a forum where terrible threads are bumped by terrible posters consistently. The alternative problem exists, though - Politics and popularity and fashion come into play where you have the ability to demote (or promote) threads. Censorship by popularity can be every bit as tyranical as a our ISDs are (falsely, IMO) reputed to be. Groupthink sets in.
Don't forget that reddit had a wonderful child pornography collection and when called out on it decided to keep it up. Reddit is full of terrible people. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |

Karen Avioras
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
207
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:45:00 -
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such is life in new eden |

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
1071
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:49:00 -
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La Nariz wrote: Don't forget that reddit had a wonderful child pornography collection and when called out on it decided to keep it up. Reddit is full of terrible people.
Yes, 6% of all online adults, and 15% of the male 18-29 demographic use reddit [1] and they're all child pornographers and pedophiles.  |

Jill Chastot
Oath of the Forsaken
207
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:56:00 -
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I didn't know pornographers was a word o.0 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unreadOATHS wants you. Come to the WH |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1609
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Posted - 2014.02.06 21:58:00 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:La Nariz wrote: Don't forget that reddit had a wonderful child pornography collection and when called out on it decided to keep it up. Reddit is full of terrible people.
Yes, 6% of all online adults, and 15% of the male 18-29 demographic use reddit [1] and they're all child pornographers and pedophiles. 
Now you've got the right message :sun:. This post was loving crafted by a member of the Official GoonWaffe recruitment team. Proof Highsec reward needs to be nerfed: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqC-BTui2uSGdDlxa2dWOG5ieHB0QXBVWW82bGN5TFE&usp=sharing |

Dave Stark
4330
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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:08:00 -
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Collie Buddz wrote:The Eve subreddit is more often than not much more interesting and informative than the official forums.
probably because there's literally no moderation. |
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
851

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Posted - 2014.02.06 22:36:00 -
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Locked so the cleaning crew has some room to move. Thread will be reopened in a short wile. ISD Ezwal Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Your Dad Naked
State War Academy Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2014.02.07 09:26:00 -
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A little ironic that a topic of this nature had to be closed in order to be cleaned out. It kind of proves my point, doesn't it? 
Thank you ISD Ezwal for your assistance. |

Billy McCandless
The McCandless Clan Turing Tested
257
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Posted - 2014.02.07 14:54:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:A little ironic
noe its knot
r u alan s morriss set?
Your Dad Naked wrote:It kind of proves my point, doesn't it?.
noe unles yore point wuz its liek 100000 spoonz wen al yoo nede is a nife
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Shrewd Tsero
Aventine Legion
2
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Posted - 2014.02.07 18:01:00 -
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Your Dad Naked wrote:A little ironic that a topic of this nature had to be closed in order to be cleaned out. It kind of proves my point, doesn't it?  Thank you ISD Ezwal for your assistance.
If your point was that you can create an inflammatory topic stated in a condescending way and provoke a reaction, then yes, you proved that well. Maybe you could work on proving that fire is hot next. I've always wondered about that. |

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
4289
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:44:00 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley wrote:... nb4 ISD Ezwal ... With a 'slight' delay, yes... Ezwal points at ISD LackOfFaith. 'He is the good cop, understand?' Ezwal points at himself. 'I however, am not....' I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil! The rules:11. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a petition under the Community & Forums Category. 30. Abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers is prohibited.
CCP operate a zero tolerance policy on abuse of CCP employees and ISD volunteers. This includes but is not limited to personal attacks, trolling, GÇ£outingGÇ¥ of CCP employee or ISD volunteer player identities, and the use of any former player identities when referring to the aforementioned parties. Our forums are designed to be a place where players and developers can exchange ideas in a polite and friendly manner for the betterment of EVE Online. Players who attack or abuse employees of CCP, or ISD volunteers, will be permanently banned from the EVE Online forums across all their accounts with no recourse, and may also be subject to action against their game accounts. As said, I let some edge cases stay, but I would urgently ask you to stop bashing on the CCL subdivision of ISD (a.k.a. the forum moderators). We enforce the rules laid out by CCP, noting less, noting more. In that, we do our utmost best to keep a neutral stance in and on the threads we moderate. But if and when you are perceiving a problem with ISD behaviour on the forum or are disagreeing with the way (your) posts are being moderated, please feel free to read the CCP policies and follow the procedure found under the header 'Complaints'. Thread unlocked.
I keep expecting this thread to get moved just to prove it's own point. 
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1147

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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:46:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I keep expecting this thread to get moved just to prove it's own point. 
Thread moved to Jita Park Speakers Corner.
... Wait, what? ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:47:00 -
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Because forums suck now after low troll quality snd ISD... |

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
507
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:51:00 -
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ever since they changed to the new forums I've been posting far less. my daily post graph on eve-search peaks at 9 for the last 90 days... I'm pretty sure my post count average was something like 8 or 9 a day before the forum switch.
as for the people on the forums they are usually pretty awesome. I mean if you are lazy/clueless/jerk, or some combination, well then yes you will get ripped apart. but any reasonable post gets met with lots of help in my experience. Yea okay there are a few jerks out there, but again most posts are fairly helpful. You can trust me, I have a monocole |

Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:52:00 -
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not to mention to hide bad handiccapped trolls lmao like unsuccessful At Everything's messages |

Reckless Ourtomineng
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
23
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Posted - 2014.02.07 20:55:00 -
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Really CCPasss lickers and and bad posters should move to WOw |
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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1148

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Posted - 2014.02.07 21:02:00 -
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I have removed some trolling / personal attack posts. I strongly suggest not going there, particularly in a thread that is in the spotlight for CCL. ISD LackOfFaith Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department @ISD_LackOfFaith on Twitter |
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