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medecau
33 cl's
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Posted - 2007.02.16 11:16:00 -
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I have a windows machine wich i use to play eve but if there was a mac version i would defently switch and get an alt to help me on the new laptop.
please please please
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Umesh
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Posted - 2007.02.16 15:43:00 -
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One more for the Mac version of Eve online. Woould be great if ccp would release a Mac compatible client.
Cheers
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.02.19 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Knott When did this become "My OS is better than your OS"? Why? That kind of conversation is a complete waste of time. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever 'won' such an argument?
As for Macs as servers, probably not. It's just not cost-effective when you consider that MacOS X is a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland. Most places setting up server farms will just buy rack mount PCs and install FreeBSD or Linux if they're looking for a Unix environment, Windows if they're looking for a Windows environment.
Where I have seen Macs become much more popular is the NANOG crowd, who value them as Unix machines with decent user application support (I'm sure that they're used in other areas as well, I just don't interact with those markets). In general though, Macs seem to be way more popular than they were prior to moving to Intel hardware and releasing MacOS X (maybe also driven partly by brand awareness created by the iPod?).
I don't think it's unreasonable that CCP would want to cash in on this growing popularity, especially given the availability of tools (Transgaming) for doing it without a total client rewrite. Assuming relatively equal market penetration into the Mac market (5%) as to the windows market (90%), that would mean (160k/90%)*5% or 8.8k new subscribers, at $10.95/mo, or 1.17 million dollars a year. I'd assume that even with overhead removed, that will pay for one or two devs in Iceland and whatever tools they need to make the job easy.
Penetration into the Mac market might even be a bit higher because at the present time, it's not like Mac users have a lot of options when it comes to gaming.
Well at least you had a somewhat intelligent response with some business statements in it. Still flawed mind you so I will explain.
The variables you are missing are those related to support and the type of user from each of the market spaces. Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. Afterall, Apple designed the machines that way to catter towards that type of end user. PCs arguably are more difficult for the end user and this does create a support nightmare on one hand, but effectively segregates the user population based on capability. This allows products to be built and targetted towards user segments with minimal support costs. So CCP is saving themselves a support nightmare as Mac users expect a lot of 'hand holding' when they have a problem.
Real gamers use PCs, it is a fact. Hardware vendors develop for the PC platform because that is where the customer base is at. That customer base is what plays games like Eve. This customer base is computer litterate and knows what they are doing, thus requiring less support. Makes perfect business sense to concentrate and cater towards that market.
Sorry, but your Mac isn't all that and a bag of chips like their frontman would have you believe. Get over it.
Now take the above statement and apply it to my earlier statement that it would be better for CCP to make a port for the Amiga before a Mac port.
As for the server discussion, anyone in the community knows that a Mach kernel isn't as good as a Fbsd native kernel when it comes to running anything of use :)
Anyhow, dead duck issue. CCP has't announced any plans for a Mac client which would support my side of this discussion anyhow. It isn't like they haven't done the analysis...
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Melkinor T'sbanion
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.02.19 07:24:00 -
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me too
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WisdomLikeSilence
Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.19 15:01:00 -
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"Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. "
Aside from the fact that you are obviously "very much english illiterate" you seem to know bugger all about "computers" or Mac users either. I assume you are a child and have just bought your first computer, thus the psychotic pride in owning a glitchy 1990's operating system made by a company which defines the term anticompetitive.
Personally, I run both systems and have always found XP to be an adequate OS - nothing special. But about as stable as a 3 legged cow, when you introduce anything new to the system. By comparison Apples os is a ferrari to windows' Lada. Thus I would far prefer to spend my time in eve using osX.
I want to use my robot-wisdo body!
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.02.20 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence "Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. "
Aside from the fact that you are obviously "very much english illiterate" you seem to know bugger all about "computers" or Mac users either. I assume you are a child and have just bought your first computer, thus the psychotic pride in owning a glitchy 1990's operating system made by a company which defines the term anticompetitive.
Personally, I run both systems and have always found XP to be an adequate OS - nothing special. But about as stable as a 3 legged cow, when you introduce anything new to the system. By comparison Apples os is a ferrari to windows' Lada. Thus I would far prefer to spend my time in eve using osX.
Rabble rabble, a bunch of personal insults and some more rabble rabble.
Open your eyes to the real world.
Anyhow, I deal with this kind of garbage on a fairly regular basis in the enterprise world so no biggie. It is fairly easy to get that 'gfx artist who demands a Mac for his workstation' removed form the environment by labelling them a security threat. Afterall, pretty web pages versus getting compromised by some script kid in indonesia is a pretty easy choice. Besides, gfx artists are a dime a dozen anyhow.
Oh and my english grammar maybe off at times but I don't think proofing it before posting to a forums even matters anyway. Besides, who are you to judge anyhow? I have people that pay me (and actually matter) that say I have above average writing skills, so your insult has no cred. You on the other hand use a Mac, so I need to insult no further.
:)
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Santiago Cortes
Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.02.20 03:36:00 -
[97]
*Cleaned*
Please play nicely, Macs have feelings too :(
Anyway my ZX Spectrum was better than yours.
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Lord XSiV
Amarr The Nine Gates
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Posted - 2007.02.20 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: Santiago Cortes *Cleaned*
Please play nicely, Macs have feelings too :(
Anyway my ZX Spectrum was better than yours.
No they don't. It is a bag of circuits at best. You of all people should know better.
:)
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Impericus
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Posted - 2007.02.21 22:16:00 -
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Yes please, I want a Mac Client.
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Henn Heirr
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Posted - 2007.02.25 09:22:00 -
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Edited by: Henn Heirr on 25/02/2007 09:19:21
Oh please! give us a Mac client!
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Alanin
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Posted - 2007.02.25 10:11:00 -
[101]
bump for OSX Client!
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Alanin
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Posted - 2007.02.25 10:14:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Alanin on 25/02/2007 10:11:34 doublebump - bad wificonnection made me click the button twice!
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.26 06:37:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV Anyhow, dead duck issue. CCP has't announced any plans for a Mac client which would support my side of this discussion anyhow. It isn't like they haven't done the analysis...
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Quote: Fannar also revealed that the company is actively developing Linux support for EVE Online. He also strongly hinted - to the point where he basically confirmed - that an Apple client was also in the works.
The rest of your post was nothing more than religious zealotry, the kind of which that gets a bit tiresome after working in the software industry for a while.
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Damiro
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Posted - 2007.02.27 19:27:00 -
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Quote: The rest of your post was nothing more than religious zealotry (...)
QFT!
My both hands up for a Mac client!
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masijumi
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Posted - 2007.02.28 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. Afterall, Apple designed the machines that way to catter towards that type of end user. PCs arguably are more difficult for the end user and this does create a support nightmare on one hand, but effectively segregates the user population based on capability.
Wow. I think there are dumb computer users on both ends, but this doesn't segregate anything. I am not computer illiterate, and I use macs. I have also seen macs in corporate server rooms (in reference to your earlier statement).
Most people who use a mac, in general, seem to know much more about computers than a Windows user. I think your stereotype is a little off. |
Aeon Jonas
Caldari The Caldari Confederation
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Posted - 2007.02.28 12:53:00 -
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A client for Mac OS X please please please. If you do I will get a second account as well which will bring more moey to you. Please.
Thanks.
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1 Man
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:10:00 -
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I doubt they will do.
it means twice as many clients to develop, patch and rollout for probably a 2% increase. Other game companies which have games working on the MAC probably use OPENGL and not DX.
MACs are not gaming machines. Dont buy one of your "Superior" MACs and then start complaining the things you like don't work. Its very hypocritical, which is typical mac owner attitued.
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.02.28 13:53:00 -
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you should ask for a better cooperation or better information about a cooperation with codeweavers and their crossover for mac product
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.02.28 16:22:00 -
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I'm fairly certain from other things I've read that they're doing a Cider port. It'd also make sense given their relationship with Transgaming. Cider makes me wonder if Transgaming is coming out with a similar product for Linux.
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Damiro
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Posted - 2007.02.28 20:37:00 -
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Edited by: Damiro on 28/02/2007 20:34:47
Originally by: 1 Man I doubt they will do.
it means twice as many clients to develop, patch and rollout for probably a 2% increase. Other game companies which have games working on the MAC probably use OPENGL and not DX.
MACs are not gaming machines. Dont buy one of your "Superior" MACs and then start complaining the things you like don't work. Its very hypocritical, which is typical mac owner attitued.
First, mate, the Comps are called Mac, not MAC.
And second: I bet that I run a better config with my MacBook Pro than you with your Windblows machine.
Third: Porting games is often done via third party firms like Aspyr. Why the hell should they not take care about Mac users? Games like CoD 2, Prey, The Sims blah blah got ported onto Mac. Why? Coz it's paying. And when there's a Mac client there will be definetly many more players available. EVE is definitely interesting for a online gaming interested Mac user.
Fourth: This is a "I want a Mac client" thread, so let the Mac users post here.
Let's see. I hope you'll remind your words when there's a Mac client ... so far.
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Tel Bakhara
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Posted - 2007.03.03 12:10:00 -
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Pump and I might be drunk.
Might I change the topic into: [Redo EVE in OpenGL Please!]
This will solve any question about porting...But...
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Nate D
Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours
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Posted - 2007.03.03 21:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nate D on 03/03/2007 21:34:12 CCP released a news artical several years ago with a link to this online petition... why don't you sign it... and/or copy it to your sig. I signed it several years back and with a quick look through I found a rough figure of 1/5 of the people saying that they DIDNT want a Mac/Linux client. So out of the 3100 people that cared to sign it back in 2004 only 2480 people wanted the Mac/Linux client.
Petition Link: http://www.petitiononline.com/eve2106/petition.html
I figure if the rest of the EVE population feels the same then that's a fairly large portion of subscribers right? Plus I HATE Cedega!!!!!!!!! I feel terrible paying for their crap software... I'd much rather donate that same sum of money to free/gnu projects like Wine. And their software is ****zle!
-Nate
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Inara Talamasca
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Posted - 2007.03.05 05:40:00 -
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Yes, this is another request for a Mac client... and I speak for myself, and my sister we have 3 accounts between us, and a fourth if an OSX client (or even a working porting besides bootcamp) comes to be.
Lest you also forget that the numbers of "user" percentage are skewed... Those numbers include the -millions- of 'windows-at-work' drones that are NOT used to play games for PC.
The average Mac is used at home, or dual purpose for home&work or school... far more likely to have someone who -wants- to play a game. As for being illiterate, Oh goddess... Those statistics are far from accurate... my sister works at a call center who's clients are all on windows pcs... she will attest to the level of utter stupidity on the other end. "No, that it the monitor power button, sir... thats why nothing has changed since you 'restarted' "
And, as for me, I have one high end WinXP box here currently dead from the last windows "update" and another that went unstable from similar -required- updates. Meanwhile, my Mac laptop hums away next to me, running my skype, yim, aim, ssh shells, web browser and a myriad of other things, and never crashes... or shuts down. My Mac laptop can play secondlife or wow without problems, though it is older and a bit slow with such (1Ghz G4/1Gram). Personally, I am tired of the only semi-real "fix" for my WinXP boxes to be utter reinstall, and am about to order a MacPro, as is my sis... which is why I looked at this thread. Cider or OpenGl.. Please. 4x 1-2year subscriptions promised. Eve is the ONLY thing making me sigh about getting a MacPro (ok and the $$...)
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.05 08:50:00 -
[114]
Well at least Cider isn't vaporware any longer:
Title announced.
As a linux user and eve-tech forum user, I too get irritated with the stereotype that the mac crowd are illiterate. After 18 years in the systems biz, the biggest bunch clueless wonders have ALWAYS been the windows user crowd. (when the corresponding numbers are higher, the percentage of droolers is also higher.)
I think that any accusation of "stupidity" is rediculous over all though because there are good AND bad users on every platform....yes, even linux.
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ElfeGER
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.03.05 10:22:00 -
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a first cider port nice the game is rated silver to gold under wine (no test results under crossover but I guess it would run there as well)
only time will tell if it's better to compile a game with cider or use the seperate api emulation (porting a single version vs. integration it into build and development/test cycles)
atm I would say it's a job for marketing (buy one game/port at a time vs. buying/testing crossover for mac)
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.03.06 04:18:00 -
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Originally by: El***ER a first cider port nice the game is rated silver to gold under wine (no test results under crossover but I guess it would run there as well)
only time will tell if it's better to compile a game with cider or use the seperate api emulation (porting a single version vs. integration it into build and development/test cycles)
atm I would say it's a job for marketing (buy one game/port at a time vs. buying/testing crossover for mac)
It should be interesting to see how this plays out. I can see the attraction from the developer of a game for the 'wider' audience plus cache of 'mac native' on the box with the cider implementation.
For standalone games with no major "upgrade" or changes after release, cider would probably be a good way to go, but in the MMO side of things where the client is continually 'futzed' with the crossover/wine way might be better. At least the choices are there now.
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Teenage Girl
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Posted - 2007.03.07 19:03:00 -
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Originally by: El***ER atm I would say it's a job for marketing (buy one game/port at a time vs. buying/testing crossover for mac)
The game works fine on Crossover for OS X. The player icons do not show up, and there's no sound. But it's perfectly playable at native speeds. Sure beats paying for a copy of XP just to run Eve in Bootcamp.
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Sekket
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Posted - 2007.03.08 17:42:00 -
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Edited by: Sekket on 08/03/2007 17:38:46 http://www.gamersinfo.net/index.php?art/id:1598
Let the sun shine! Let the sun shine in! The suuuuuun shine innnnnn!
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Methuselar
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Posted - 2007.03.12 14:41:00 -
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OpenGL~~~
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Tal' asir
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Posted - 2007.03.13 08:32:00 -
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http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/03/09/eve/index.php
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