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Capn Pugwash	Posted - 2006.04.07 14:09:00 - [1] I'm sure that this has probably been done to death, but I'd like to add my name to any list of people wanting an OSX Mac client for G4/G5 machines.
Xanthia Di'Makir	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:38:00 - [2] Realistically speaking, it's not worth CCP's time to do. Even if a Mac client added 10% more players (a very conservative estimate), they'd never amortize the time invested (and ongoing maintenance support) to port the graphics engine to Open GL. That doesn't even begin to address other API changes: porting from Win32 to OSX is at least as big a task as reworking the engine itself. My first sentence is pretty much proven by the fact that CCP have not done a Mac client. They're in the business of turning a profit, altruism has nothing to do with anything. They've done the analysis, and it's not profitable for them to release a Mac client. Please put down the flog, and let the dead horse rest in peace.
Mitchello	Posted - 2006.04.11 00:04:00 - [3] Well, for the new intel machines .. apple's new bootcamp software to run XP on intel macs might be interesting to try. I'd be curious to here experiments ..
Viktor Fyretracker	Posted - 2006.04.11 15:50:00 - [4] no need anymore since MACs can now dualboot windows
Epyik	Posted - 2006.04.11 16:46:00 - [5] Edited by: Epyik on 11/04/2006 16:46:23 Correction, since the new Intel Mac's can dual boot Windows. But more realistically, the PowerPC Mac market has nowhere to go but down from here now that Apple has switched. It would be counter productive to work on a new client that has no possible chance of growth. Your best bet is to dual boot 'Nix and use something like Wine to emulate it, if it's even possible given the architectural differences.
damicatz	Posted - 2006.04.11 21:43:00 - [6] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker no need anymore since MACs can now dualboot windows No point in polluting a Mac with that. People buy Macs to use Mac OS not Windows.
Zondor	Posted - 2006.06.20 19:09:00 - [7] I'm sure it wouldn't be too hard to port. There a software package out there called MacDX to help port DirectX games to Mac OS X and OS 9. It also depends on if the client contains any .Net libaries. MacDX
Jillius	Posted - 2006.06.26 12:30:00 - [8] Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp.
Lina S'jet	Posted - 2006.07.01 20:37:00 - [9] i'm actually experimenting with a couple different solutions. right now, i'm testing Parallels Desktop - they have good CPU/Sound emulation, and works pretty well, but the 3d and video card are software emulated. I'm a macbook pro user (thanks to the design industry), and Eve runs well with bootcamp - minus the ability to use the two finger scroll capabilities, or my super favorite: two fingers on the trackpad and click as "right click." 3 minute update: Parallels Desktop won't run eve. It'll run the windows client seamlessly with OS X, but other than emulating a windows environment on an NTFS platform, it doesn't work well. I guess it means i'm going back to bootcamp.
Aitrus	Posted - 2006.07.02 12:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're already planning on a new build of the client anyway. Why not use that opportunity to make something platform independant? Id, Epic, and Blizzard don't have any problems doing that...
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.02 13:01:00 - [11] Originally by: Aitrus Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're already planning on a new build of the client anyway. Why not use that opportunity to make something platform independant? Id, Epic, and Blizzard don't have any problems doing that... There are two problems with making a mac client. 1. Porting all portions of the game away from DirectX. That would mean rewriting the rendering engine to use OpenGL, rewriting the sound to use ALSA or OpenAL... it would be a mess. 2. Support. Even if there was a mac client, I would guess that 99.5% or so of EVE players would be on Windows. This means that they would have to set up a whole system to support Mac gamers, even though they were a tiny minority of their players. --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Aitrus	Posted - 2006.07.02 22:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Aitrus on 02/07/2006 22:22:24 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aitrus Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're already planning on a new build of the client anyway. Why not use that opportunity to make something platform independant? Id, Epic, and Blizzard don't have any problems doing that... There are two problems with making a mac client. 1. Porting all portions of the game away from DirectX. That would mean rewriting the rendering engine to use OpenGL, rewriting the sound to use ALSA or OpenAL... it would be a mess. 2. Support. Even if there was a mac client, I would guess that 99.5% or so of EVE players would be on Windows. This means that they would have to set up a whole system to support Mac gamers, even though they were a tiny minority of their players. Never said it would be simple. But since the DX10 client is going to be a significant rewrite anyway the 'too much work' argument doesn't hold much water. How many more customers is the DX10 client going to bring? I doubt it will be any more new subscribers than a platform independent client would bring. They're both niche markets really. I would prefer they go to the one I plan on using. My playtime has devolved to booting to windows once a week to switch skills. I don't do anything else in windows, so I'm reaching the point of canceling my accounts. Besides, I'm a customer. It a customers prerogative to make unreasonable requests.
Dark Shikari	Posted - 2006.07.03 03:28:00 - [13] Originally by: Aitrus My playtime has devolved to booting to windows once a week to switch skills. I don't do anything else in windows, so I'm reaching the point of canceling my accounts. Besides, I'm a customer. It a customers prerogative to make unreasonable requests. Use VMware or Cedega if booting to Windows is that bad --Proud member of the [23]-- -WTB Platinum Technite, WTS Nanotransistors, Heavy Electron II, 100mn AB II-
Aud Actori	Posted - 2006.07.08 21:37:00 - [14] I'd like to add my name to the list for an OSX port. Not enough space, or the inclination, to run BootCamp.
Tobin Corto	Posted - 2006.07.20 14:35:00 - [15] OS X client please. Tried a MacBook: it crashed twice, paged like a mother (or a Wintel box) even though there was supposed to be better performance, and ignored a really random selection of my CDs.
Zondor	Posted - 2006.07.28 04:42:00 - [16] Edited by: Zondor on 28/07/2006 04:43:59 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aitrus Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're already planning on a new build of the client anyway. Why not use that opportunity to make something platform independant? Id, Epic, and Blizzard don't have any problems doing that... There are two problems with making a mac client. 1. Porting all portions of the game away from DirectX. That would mean rewriting the rendering engine to use OpenGL, rewriting the sound to use ALSA or OpenAL... it would be a mess. 2. Support. Even if there was a mac client, I would guess that 99.5% or so of EVE players would be on Windows. This means that they would have to set up a whole system to support Mac gamers, even though they were a tiny minority of their players. 1. It's called MaxDX. Read my previous post. It's a platform to easily convert directx games to opengl. Taking out about 80% of the headaches. 2. Supporting mac users is a lot easier than supporting windows users. Not meant to be a slam against windows users I've just found the majority of people that are mac users tend to use more of their brain. ;) <begin flame>
evistin	Posted - 2006.07.28 11:34:00 - [17] AT this point its not that they do not want a Mac client, the user base is not there. However Windows is losing market share to the Mac, The Mac is getting better and more powerful, but it will never outdo the PC because its treated by apple as a closed group.(They build hardware and software) Market forces will always opt for an open standard verus a controlled one. ------------------- The Multiverse Corporation-Training the next generation of Eve Officers.
BlasterX	Posted - 2006.07.28 14:56:00 - [18] Edited by: BlasterX on 28/07/2006 15:00:50 Edited by: BlasterX on 28/07/2006 14:58:16 Just my 2 cents... I too am going the way of the Mac, gone are the days when Mac's were lamers computers for people who didn't know how to use a real pc. OSX has surpassed windows in tweakability and complexity, its just got a cool gui that makes everything really easy for the lamers now. This reminds me of when Windows 2000 came out, no one had drivers or software that would run on the damn thing but it was still the greatest at the time. So everyone jumped on board with hacked verions of 3dfx drivers and no sound to play Quake 3 late into the night. I think if CCP were to go OpenGL it would boost their player base quite significantly, and show support to the community of people switching to Mac right now which would be another notch towards getting the community on their side. Why would you code a game just for Nokia, when you could code it in java for Nokia, Siemens, Sony & Samsung. And how many games do you see coming out for both PS2 & Xbox nowdays, loads! It's a no brainer... Many companies i'm sure get lured in by Microsoft offering all of these unbeatable technologies such as .net & directx that they get all caught up in how amasing it all is & totally brainwashed that Microsoft is the be all and end all, when really it isn't. Cross platform is the way to go! PS ive just noticed a 19 page thread on EVE under Linux... OpenGL would fix that...
Space Gurl	Posted - 2006.07.28 16:30:00 - [19] Edited by: Space Gurl on 28/07/2006 16:30:56 If you really want a OGL client (Mac etc) then people, get together and reverse engineer the thing. They cant stop it (its perfectly legal where I am too :) ) EVE Info
Raqem	Posted - 2006.07.31 20:18:00 - [20] Edited by: Raqem on 31/07/2006 20:19:14 Originally by: Dark Shikari Use VMware or Cedega if booting to Windows is that bad I've been looking at Cedega, but there aren't any pre-compiled binaries for OS X. Even if I could compile them on OS X myself, they might not work. I haven't heard of anyone else trying to compile it themself so I'm weary of even trying. Do you have an experience in this matter?
wobegong Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.01 07:54:00 - [21] Add my name to the list for Mac - Currently not running Eve since switching to Mac, the G4/G5 v's Intel Mac debate is moot - Universal Binary like all other vendors nowadays and it will run on both. The OpenGL will not just be for OSX but Linux as well so kill two birds with one stone. Regarding the influx of new players being limited on Mac/Linux well after this many years Eve is probably slowing down on new players (as opposed to players opening second accounts) - The Mac/Linux community may be low in comparison to Windows but an intelligent MMORPG like this would be hugely popular in these camps (look at WoW's popularity (which has a Mac client) in the OSX world).
Karina Harington Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.01 10:09:00 - [22] Originally by: evistin Market forces will always opt for an open standard verus a controlled one. DirectX, Win32, iTunes Music Store, Playstation. All of those are "controlled" standards and all hold, by far, the largest market share in their prospective markets.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.03 20:46:00 - [23] Looks like some interesting stuff coming. Go to the Transgaming website and prominently linked on the brand new home page there is some VERY interesting news regarding this thing called "CIDER". MAC users should DEFINITELY be interested in this: Cedega/CIDER In the faq portion, it indicates that transgaming has signed several deals with top developers to support this. After the stuff at E3, I can't help but wonder if CCP is in on this. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Zevrik Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.04 13:59:00 - [24] Edited by: Zevrik on 04/08/2006 13:59:39 This definetly sounds like what CCP was hinting at when talking to Transgaming. This is great for both camps, Mac users get an Eve client and Linux users get a client that will work better with Cedega -- Commander Zevrik Fleet Operations, C.N.S. Letalis Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Eve on Linux
Sergeant Canner	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:29:00 - [25] wants Mac OSX Client
Cergorach	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:27:00 - [26] After having seen the new Mac Pro: me wants a Mac Pro
sion drifter No Crying In Space	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:11:00 - [27] Edited by: sion drifter on 12/08/2006 17:13:05 Originally by: Aitrus What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? . your time has come. Linkage yes.. ov course i didn't read all the posts before posting.. so this is the same info as a few posts earlier.. sorry REVERSE CONDITIONING: Putting saliva into a dog's mouth in an attempt to make a bell ring.
ZAPPEL Nun Amun Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.15 10:02:00 - [28] /signed Mac OS X client would be awesome!!! Do it, CCP! ;-)
Ghostieboy	Posted - 2006.09.11 16:46:00 - [29] Please CGP Make a Mac version! :) Put my name down :)
Sphit Ker	Posted - 2006.09.18 00:17:00 - [30] OS X client? OGL??? Im in! I buy that! Yes? Please Thanks you. EVE is the one and only program I have XP for. I soooo dont trust this.. thing.. "OS"
Chante Crow	Posted - 2006.09.18 14:13:00 - [31] me too! native mac os x client please! a friend of mine just sold his windows pc and bought a mac pro (and he won't install windows ^^) so now he can't play eve anymore :( i think i'm gonna do the same when there finally is an eve mac client! those things just run great :D i know it's a lot of work but i'd rather see a mac client than a directx 10 optimized one since i definitely won't buy windows vista.. =)
Longword	Posted - 2006.09.25 00:00:00 - [32] I'm Spartacus! Err. Yeah, I'd kill for an OS X client too. All my real work requires OS X (or Linux but I don't see that happening) and it's mighty inconvenient to reboot to the games OS for my Eve fix.
Ralimenua Hazara Khan's Haphazard Bazaar	Posted - 2006.09.28 12:59:00 - [33] +1 EVE is about the only thing I keep a PC around for. My shiny new MacBook Pro is gagging for some EVE. --------------=o0O+O0o=-------------- Grand Vizier and General Factotum Hazara Khan's Haphazard Bazaar The Finest Camels in all EVE! O0o=------------------+------------------=o0O
Alexander Knott	Posted - 2006.09.28 20:57:00 - [34] Same here. Would really love to ditch Windows for good.
DarkHelmut	Posted - 2006.09.29 22:43:00 - [35] /signed The only reason I'm running bootcamp is for EvE, and dual booting sucks (and windows has very minimal Mac driver support right now). Mac client please!
Alexander Cris	Posted - 2006.10.03 09:28:00 - [36] Edited by: Alexander Cris on 03/10/2006 09:30:21 I am starting to hate windows more and more and i have bought a Mac and i am dieing to have EVE on it. A lot more stable and a lot more shiny... Plus since the aliance betwen IBM and Apple the Mac's market started to grow and it's growing for the simple reason that is more relyable than an ordinary PC. So yes i signed to and i8 don't think the work is that bad, I mean this is theyr job right? I do my job they do theyrs simple.
Hemmer	Posted - 2006.10.03 14:14:00 - [37] Just order my Mac Pro yesterday so I'm in the please port to OS X camp now. I made the big switch because I know Eve (and other Windows only software I care about) will run great in bootcamp but I would love CCP to build a native OS X client. Most if not all of the top end games, including WOW, have native OS X clients. To those who say the Mac market share is too small I say this is my first ever Mac and I know I'm not alone in switching (something like 40% of the record number of Mac purchases in the last quarter were first time buyers) so I think it would be worth CCPs while to port it over. Besides I'd love to see the Eve icon bouncing on the dock when I launch it...hehehe
Taedrin Gallente Mercatoris Technologies	Posted - 2006.10.03 17:44:00 - [38] They would have to port the game to OpenGL, sound to ALSA. Oh yeah, and they would have to create substitutes for all references to #include <windows.h>, and alter all code that relies upon various Microsoft specific behavior (trust me, there's a lot of standard C/C++ functions with Microsoft specific behavior). And then there's the fact that there are core diffferences between Windows and Macs that would have to be solved. For example in Windows, wchar_t's are 16 bits long, while they are 32 bits long in UN*X like OS's (read Mac OS X). Also you need to consider endianess, orientation of the stack, system dependant heap implementation, and etc... And you also need to consider differences in the windowing system (for example, what does EVE need to do to get a hardware surface from Mac OS X for drawing? Does EVE need administerator privileges to do the stuff it needs to do?) And this most likely isn't even the tip of the iceberg. Porting is a nasty business, CCP has enough bugs to fix as it is.
Sphit Ker	Posted - 2006.10.08 05:52:00 - [39] Its not fun to hear that. It sadden me to no end. It can't be too hard. No more difficult than XP -> Vista and DX9 -> DX10 transition I am SURE of that. There is nothing left to say.
Sphit Ker	Posted - 2006.10.08 05:57:00 - [40] heck, I, for one, would promptly accept to pay twice as much a monthly fee for an OSX client!! Yes I would and I am not crazy.
Grez Minmatar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2006.10.08 09:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Sphit Ker Its not fun to hear that. It sadden me to no end. It can't be too hard. No more difficult than XP -> Vista and DX9 -> DX10 transition I am SURE of that. There is nothing left to say. Appart from it's rediculously easy to do it... They just need to work on the few things that Vista changes, mainly how it draws things, and change that. Once that's done, they work on a new engine to support those features. Now THAT takes a long time. --- Cache Clearer Still waiting for a Wrangler-edit!
Rukya	Posted - 2006.10.09 03:13:00 - [42] well cant they use Cider? i mean they wouldnt need to do all that work, to have a osx client.
Alexander Knott	Posted - 2006.10.09 21:23:00 - [43] I'm sure it's not quite that simple or they woul dhave done it already. On the other hand, Cider does seem like a good place to start if they were interested, especially given that they already talk to the Cedega guys.
Djerin	Posted - 2006.10.10 20:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Taedrin what does EVE need to do to get a hardware surface from Mac OS X for drawing? afaik OSX doesn't provide such an insane type of layer model. It's mostly UNIX-based and therefor does not allow any process besides some OS' processes themselves to access the hardware directly. And you better wish Apple wont ever introduce such stupidity. This type of OS-layout as provided in Windows is the reason for all those viruses and worms and so on having barely an obstacle breaking in to a system. To me this kind of software-design rather looks like a very dirty hack than an effort to improve performance.
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.11 08:12:00 - [45] The devs have already mentioned they are in talks with transgaming and that there isn't an official relationship.....YET. (keyword there.) An official relationship, I'm betting, would include cider. It'd be nice to get an update on this from kieron, oveur or somebody, but they (ccp) are notoriously tight lipped about this sort of thing...and I don't really blame them as a deal not done....ain't a deal at all. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Redrig Bayer Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.11 18:46:00 - [46] Also worth keeping an eye on Crossover Mac - They've got it running things like HalfLife2 etc. (Under DX7 unfortunately) but are pushing the development a bit - Might see how this ends up.
Jon Frimann Minmatar Ordo Custodes	Posted - 2006.10.12 05:12:00 - [47] MacOs X is Unix (FreeBSD brand), so from that point it is easy for them to make a linux client. But I use linux as my main Os. Prefer not to use Windows, but I will do so anyway if I have to play eve-online.
Norjia Blacksteel	Posted - 2006.10.13 20:04:00 - [48] Originally by: evistin However Windows is losing market share to the Mac, The Mac is getting better and more powerful, but it will never outdo the PC because its treated by apple as a closed group.(They build hardware and software) Market forces will always opt for an open standard verus a controlled one. Market forces are why PCs are crap. All the pressure on price combined with generally low customer knowledge has resulted in things like WinModems (modem with no hardware), integrated graphics cards, and other garbage. Macs being manufactured by only one company means the components all work together properly. Mac users just don't have to worry if the latest crash is due to a conflict between their sound card and motherboard drivers. Free markets do not necessarily result in good products; sometimes, but convenient products are more likely. Convenience is not always linked with high quality.
Blue Alien Gallente The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.16 05:37:00 - [49] I am all for a MAC version of EvE - I am going to try using it with bootcamp, ill let you know what my results are on my MacBook Pro. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v67/Uraza/BlueSig.jpg Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allow. mail us if you have any questions -Garik Daemon
Scragg Caldari Tyrell Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.16 19:14:00 - [50] Hey if they ever wrote a Mac OS client would it have a pastel color scheme with a flower and peace sign skin? OK.. I'm sorry... .bad Scragg... bad!
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2006.10.16 22:26:00 - [51] Originally by: Scragg Hey if they ever wrote a Mac OS client would it have a pastel color scheme with a flower and peace sign skin? OK.. I'm sorry... .bad Scragg... bad! LMAO......maybe 10 years ago. Last time I looked the MAC looked sexy and 22nd century and not in a pastel sorta' way. ----- ------------ Updated Linux Desktop+EVE+EVE-TV
Svengali Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.12.10 07:17:00 - [52] Welp. Put me in the Mac OS port camp also. Have had PCs for many many years, but the Mac Pro was at an awesome price/performace point (just the basic, Apple overcharges for their extras) (well, and the things I need the machine for have better mac versions (Final Cut, Shake, DVD Studio). Now Ive bootcamped XP, but I hate rebooting just to play Eve. Which happens to be the only app I need windows for. -- Svengali
Takis Shiro Trucido Vulgus	Posted - 2006.12.17 11:43:00 - [53] I too have to put my name down for an Macintosh client, be it written or just a port via CIDER. Bootcamp works fine to play the game and never having been an owner of a windows pc I do appreciate the gaming that gets opened up with the evil empire of windows. However other than games its really irritating to be lacking all your programs until you reboot
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.12.17 12:15:00 - [54] I don't know what the performance would be if Eve would be compiled native for ppc but I doubt it would be that great with the the new gfx stuff and extended version coming up. The intel mac users should try the CrossOver Mac Beta and the Eve feedback thread. Give feedback there. Performance is a bit low atm but it saves you from rebooting for skill changes or some other stuff.
Drone Guy	Posted - 2006.12.17 21:00:00 - [55] See the realy unfortuane thing here is that you people use macs. I wont touch a mac with a ten foot pole, because, well basicaly they suck. The computer itself isnt too bad, but the problem is the fact that macs cost about 2x as much as a pc thats just as good, so i cant see why anyone would buy one. CCP isnt going to convert to macs, because they are going nowhere. So to sumarize: Macs=lame Feel free to rant at me, ill have a snappy comeback ready to make you look like an ass.
Rudie Capone	Posted - 2006.12.22 10:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Norjia Blacksteel Originally by: evistin However Windows is losing market share to the Mac, The Mac is getting better and more powerful, but it will never outdo the PC because its treated by apple as a closed group.(They build hardware and software) Market forces will always opt for an open standard verus a controlled one. Market forces are why PCs are crap. All the pressure on price combined with generally low customer knowledge has resulted in things like WinModems (modem with no hardware), integrated graphics cards, and other garbage. Macs being manufactured by only one company means the components all work together properly. Mac users just don't have to worry if the latest crash is due to a conflict between their sound card and motherboard drivers. Free markets do not necessarily result in good products; sometimes, but convenient products are more likely. Convenience is not always linked with high quality. Umm...Macs run on intel processors now. They had motorolla, Then IBM, and now Intel. Current MAcs appear to favor Nvidia for video cards. Wich parts does the company actually produce? They pick a hardware package and give it a cute name. When you buy a Mac you pay for MacOs in a pretty case. The only real difference between buying a Mac or a PC now is your Mac is a PC with Mac OS installed. While when you buy a PC you buy the hardware and decide on an OS. On convenience, Isn't that 80% of the Macintosh marketing scheme? You dont need to do anything to your mac? Dont get me wrong I'm not getting down on Macintosh, I use one for graphic design, but buying a mac is like buying a toaster You choose your options, color and bam, make toast.
WisdomLikeSilence Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.27 00:12:00 - [57] At the fan fest the devs announced they WOULD be doing a mac port for eve, as well as a linux port. Currently I run eve on my Mac using bootcamp. It runs 3 instances with no loss in framerate and never seems to lag for me. So I dont really care if they port it or not, but it would be nice to not have to boot into windows and deal with its clunky OS. I want to use my robot-wisdo body!
Alexander Knott Starlancers	Posted - 2006.12.27 00:15:00 - [58] As an aside, porting to a new system needn't be a negative experience. It does force you into a more modular approach, but my experience has been that this can help improve the overall reliability of your software. Additionally, I often find that porting to a new system can expose bugs that exist on my current system but for whatever reason aren't often tickled in the laboratory. That last bit is invaluable since intermittent bugs can be difficult to track down otherwise. Of course, none of these are reasons to do the port of themselves. That's going to be a business decision driven by CCP's estimation of whether they think they can make enough extra money from the Mac port to pay for whatever resources they need to maintain it. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Sam Deacon	Posted - 2007.01.04 10:08:00 - [59] Well, I got EVE running on my Macbook Pro via Bootcamp, but it's constantly crashing and disconnecting. Is there some kind of fix for this that any of you bootcampers have found? Aside from that, it runs beautifully.
Jargoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:40:00 - [60] Come on CCP You can do it All you gotta do is Put your mind to it
Echrei	Posted - 2007.01.09 00:31:00 - [61] I have a subscription and am going to have to cancel it unless they release a Mac Version.
D Julez	Posted - 2007.01.11 12:24:00 - [62] /signed
ZAPPEL Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:20:00 - [63] Any news, CCP?
Spartanas	Posted - 2007.01.13 19:43:00 - [64] Got it working with Codeweaver's Crossover Mac. No sound, and limited resolution, but on my Macbook Pro, Eve runs beautifully! Just go to http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name/?app_id=1860;forum=1 follow the instructions in the two posts by Stefan Dosinger EXACTLY, and it will run! Demo of the software is 60 days, and only $60 to buy... Worth every penny if you ask me....
Zahn Retmas	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:55:00 - [65] I want to add my name to the MAC wish list. I intend on buying a new PC in mid summer. Why not make a MAC OS client? From what I can tell CCP are the only one's that don't offer both.
Apple Boy Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:21:00 - [66] I'm a proud new owner of a macbook pro. I triple booted it with mac OS X, gentoo linux, and windozeXP, and eve-online works great under windozeXP unless I close my lid. for right click, there are plenty of programs that allow you to simulate it with the ctrl key if you don't have a mouse to use then. I haven't seen any bugs or anything and I get better performance than my pc. On average I get 70FPS, lows in the 50's, highs pretty close to 100. On battery, I can still get about an hour of play time too :) cheers, Apple
Ayako Suzumiya Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.18 15:58:00 - [67] Tested it on my MacBook Pro and it works very well under WinXP. The only limitation I see to it is about the one-button trackpad on the portable Macs, but you can right click with two fingers, or plug a USB mouse... I definitely would ditch my current home PC for a Mac Pro if Eve were to run natively on it. Besides, OpenGL and open standards in general tend to make you produce cleaner code for the sake of portability, which usually means less bugs (or at least, an easier way to debug things since it's well written already.)
Sekket	Posted - 2007.01.20 06:47:00 - [68] Bump for OS X client. I bought pretty good PC 2nd hand just so I could play EvE, because I just wasn't about to update my PPC mac yet. When it's time to upgrade my next machine will also be a mac, so I'd love to have a native client available when the time comes.
Lappas	Posted - 2007.01.22 07:37:00 - [69] I'm all in for a mac client too. Im going to buy a macbook soon for my job (design of housestyles and logos) and i wanna run Eve too. But will it run on the light version of the macbook? The Pro is a little expensive for me.
Mac Chicken	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:05:00 - [70] mac client please! after much push & shove from housemate, i have finally have an account, although its trial for the moment, but will be up to full subs in 10 days time. but i constantly borrowing my mates PC, since i am on ibook G4 which mean no chance on bootcamp either. sign me up for the mac client!
Dr Slaughter ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.25 12:15:00 - [71] Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 25/01/2007 12:11:57 bump... and evemon on an iPhone and iTv thingy.. please.. oh wait.. that isn't CCPs..
Akira Zendragon Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.01.25 14:09:00 - [72] +1 Here. Only reason I keep a Windows PC is EVE. Ever since I got a Powerbook I gave up on windows, and my future upgrades are going to be Macs, both for desktop and laptop, so I'd kill for an OS X release of EVE. Join channel: "Eve University" or read here
buspar	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:37:00 - [73] Mac client please, I hope more mac users will take their time to post this request here... And one day Mac shall inhreit the earth, in Mac we trust.
Terrag	Posted - 2007.01.31 20:32:00 - [74] I pledge a one year subscription on the release of a Mac OS X client
PsyMan Amarr Navy Runners	Posted - 2007.02.02 13:03:00 - [75] I too would love a mac client but to be honest I would rather CCP devoted some time to work with crossover or darwine to get it running that way as if they spent money on a mac client it would mean less money for overall content. the 5-10% of us using macs don't add up I am afraid. Saying that I have nearly got it running using crossover, just a login issue and I will be there. Push vmware to make their paralells type software use native graphics hardwaer and we will be laughing
Annie Maye	Posted - 2007.02.03 03:15:00 - [76] If I could have one thing from CCP it would a Mac version of EVE. Please do a Mac version! It would be awsome!!! I would hate to be forced to keep around a second pc just to run EVE on windows.
Zaenar	Posted - 2007.02.03 04:51:00 - [77] Originally by: PsyMan I too would love a mac client but to be honest I would rather CCP devoted some time to work with crossover or darwine to get it running that way as if they spent money on a mac client it would mean less money for overall content. the 5-10% of us using macs don't add up I am afraid. On the contrary : 5-10% out of 150k subscribers is a good enough share of their customer base to pay the dedicated devs for a native OS X client, whereas maintaining both DX9&DX10 clients won't allow CCP to gain marketshare. Blizzard already understand that, and they even stated it helped them provide overall better and more stable code due to the fact they had to make their development portable (thus promoting best practices). Working on an OpenGL engine would not only open the OS X market to CCP, but the Linux/FreeBSD aswell. Wine and derived products are nice as last resort solutions, certainly not a way to go. Count me in for a _native_ OpenGL port of EVE.
ZAPPEL Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.02.09 01:21:00 - [78] bump! sign here for EVE Online universal binary. ;-)
Blue Wraith	Posted - 2007.02.09 17:42:00 - [79] Signed. After researching, watching all the demo videos on apple.com, and finally getting and trying a Mac, my future computers will be Macs. My existing PC will get converted into a linux file server until it's decommissioned. A Mac client would be much preferred to dual booting. Also, I think, more people are going to be switching to Macs because of Vista. Microsoft apparently thought OS X was such a marvel that they attempted to extensively copy it's UI and core apps, and then slap a Windows label on it. And since the future looks an awful lot like OS X, and you just about have to buy a new computer for Vista anyway, why not just go with the real thing -- Mac and OS X. Heck, you can even run Windows (natively or in a VM) on a Mac if necessary. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.09 21:28:00 - [80] Originally by: Echrei I have a subscription and am going to have to cancel it unless they release a Mac Version. I think I get the first 'Can I have your stuff' response to this. First off, you run a Mac. As a Mac user, that entitles you to being labelled computer illiterate. Eve is a game for more advanced denizens of the electronic era. Before all you fanbois cry out for a stoning, I know more about the underlying OS that Mac 'stole/borrowed/abused an open licensing' uses than you will ever know. Secondly, but supporting an evil empire by buying Mac products you are in fact putting Eve into potential harms way. After all if Apple frontman had his way, we would all be runnning on proprietary hardware with the average consumer computing capacity that was available in the early 90s. Thirdly, if you can't figure out how to get Eve going on your girlie stylish toy you call a computer, you shouldn't be posting in these forums. After all, anything in the computer industry that puts appearance ahead of raw computational power deserves to be stripped of all dignity. To simplify it for you Mac users, think of a Mac being one of the 'smart cars' and PC hardware being that of a monster truck. Opps, they still don't get it. And to naysayers out there, not only can you run Windows on a Mac, but you can run Mac OS on a PC box....just no one does because it is pointless.
Grin Epper	Posted - 2007.02.11 18:31:00 - [81] Mac Client!!!!! Let's face it, mac is kicking the PCs arse, and in case you hadn't noticed, more than half of the leading software companies have started investing in macs. Anyway, how long could it take to make another client what with having dozens of staff? Your overall profits would go up by at least 25%!!! Even with the new windows out (which is just windows xp made to look less tatty), a mac client is the perfect step to take 4 profits.
Grin Epper	Posted - 2007.02.11 18:36:00 - [82] Originally by: Lord XSiV Originally by: Echrei I have a subscription and am going to have to cancel it unless they release a Mac Version. I think I get the first 'Can I have your stuff' response to this. First off, you run a Mac. As a Mac user, that entitles you to being labelled computer illiterate. Eve is a game for more advanced denizens of the electronic era. Before all you fanbois cry out for a stoning, I know more about the underlying OS that Mac 'stole/borrowed/abused an open licensing' uses than you will ever know. Secondly, but supporting an evil empire by buying Mac products you are in fact putting Eve into potential harms way. After all if Apple frontman had his way, we would all be runnning on proprietary hardware with the average consumer computing capacity that was available in the early 90s. Thirdly, if you can't figure out how to get Eve going on your girlie stylish toy you call a computer, you shouldn't be posting in these forums. After all, anything in the computer industry that puts appearance ahead of raw computational power deserves to be stripped of all dignity. To simplify it for you Mac users, think of a Mac being one of the 'smart cars' and PC hardware being that of a monster truck. Opps, they still don't get it. And to naysayers out there, not only can you run Windows on a Mac, but you can run Mac OS on a PC box....just no one does because it is pointless. Yeah,yeah, go start up the cardboard box you call a computer
Zaenar	Posted - 2007.02.12 10:18:00 - [83] Originally by: Lord XSiV First off, you run a Mac. As a Mac user, that entitles you to being labelled computer illiterate. Eve is a game for more advanced denizens of the electronic era. Before all you fanbois cry out for a stoning, I know more about the underlying OS that Mac 'stole/borrowed/abused an open licensing' uses than you will ever know. Pure flamebait. I'd suggest you'd take some computing history lessons before you post. FYI: you shouldn't _claim_ to know more than every Mac user about XNU & FreeBSD derivatives, that's just plain BS. Originally by: Lord XSiV Secondly, but supporting an evil empire by buying Mac products you are in fact putting Eve into potential harms way. After all if Apple frontman had his way, we would all be runnning on proprietary hardware with the average consumer computing capacity that was available in the early 90s. Looks like your microsoft friends liked the idea though, heard about XBox360 'open hardware platform'? Originally by: Lord XSiV Thirdly, if you can't figure out how to get Eve going on your girlie stylish toy you call a computer, you shouldn't be posting in these forums. After all, anything in the computer industry that puts appearance ahead of raw computational power deserves to be stripped of all dignity. To simplify it for you Mac users, think of a Mac being one of the 'smart cars' and PC hardware being that of a monster truck. Opps, they still don't get it. So you think vista deserves to be stripped of all dignity then, thanks for the insight.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:29:00 - [84] Originally by: Zaenar Originally by: Lord XSiV First off, you run a Mac. As a Mac user, that entitles you to being labelled computer illiterate. .....losts of good stuff.... Pure flamebait. I'd suggest you'd take some computing history lessons before you post. FYI: you shouldn't _claim_ to know more than every Mac user about XNU & FreeBSD derivatives, that's just plain BS. Originally by: Lord XSiV Secondly, but supporting an evil empire by buying Mac products you are in fact putting Eve into potential harms way. After all if Apple frontman had his way, we would all be runnning on proprietary hardware with the average consumer computing capacity that was available in the early 90s. Looks like your microsoft friends liked the idea though, heard about XBox360 'open hardware platform'? Originally by: Lord XSiV Thirdly, if you can't figure out how to get Eve going on your girlie stylish toy you call a computer, you shouldn't be posting in these forums. After all, anything in the computer industry that puts appearance ahead of raw computational power deserves to be stripped of all dignity.[/b] To simplify it for you Mac users, think of a Mac being one of the 'smart cars' and PC hardware being that of a monster truck. Opps, they still don't get it. So you think vista deserves to be stripped of all dignity then, thanks for the insight. Snore snore. Ok, I would say maybe JKH would give me a good go, but from what I have heard, Apple has done it's damage to him since he left the 'real' project. Vista is an OS, not an entire solution as the Apple offering is. There is a big difference - Apple is fully intended on locking the consumer into a never ending imprisonment. This is why Apple will never be any type of market player in the end user computing space. By the way, the only reason Apple is even still around today is because of Microsoft propping it up with investment in order to claim that there is competition and that Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly. If you think that the switch to Intel hardware was only a business one - well, you had a very large investor tell the company to stop being stupid and to follow the age old common business sense of using economies of scale. Once another legitimate player in the space comes along, Apple will go bye-bye. Why do you think Jobs is over playing with Goofy these days?
Zaenar	Posted - 2007.02.12 21:11:00 - [85] Edited by: Zaenar on 12/02/2007 21:14:28 Edited by: Zaenar on 12/02/2007 21:14:10 Lord XSiV, here's a few words you should mention during your next visit to your MD : 'delusional' and '(self-)deception'. He'll be able to help. Cut the OS flamewars crap already, you are clueless, and this doesn't belong in here. What would be interesting though, is why you feel the urge to rant in a pathetic attempt to derail this thread? How would CCP porting EVE to other OSes affect you? Don't you want more people playing EVE?
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.12 23:31:00 - [86] Originally by: Zaenar Edited by: Zaenar on 12/02/2007 21:14:28 Edited by: Zaenar on 12/02/2007 21:14:10 Lord XSiV, here's a few words you should mention during your next visit to your MD : 'delusional' and '(self-)deception'. He'll be able to help. Cut the OS flamewars crap already, you are clueless, and this doesn't belong in here. What would be interesting though, is why you feel the urge to rant in a pathetic attempt to derail this thread? How would CCP porting EVE to other OSes affect you? Don't you want more people playing EVE? Those are things that Mac users suffer....the best prevention to those afflictions are to aovid Apple products. As for 'OS Flamewars crap' as you put it, why would CCP go to the effort to port to a platform hardly ever used? It would make more sense for them to port to linux as there are more knowledgeable users in that community that would be more likely to play Eve.... Not only that but then you can use linux compatibility mode to cover off Macs at the same time.
Zaenar	Posted - 2007.02.13 07:02:00 - [87] Originally by: Lord XSiV As for 'OS Flamewars crap' as you put it, why would CCP go to the effort to port to a platform hardly ever used? It would make more sense for them to port to linux as there are more knowledgeable users in that community that would be more likely to play Eve.... Hint: There's a major flaw in your reasoning. 6.3% marketshare and rising for Macs. So much for 'hardly ever used'. As for 'more knowledgeable users' you again need a reality check. Originally by: Lord XSiV Not only that but then you can use linux compatibility mode to cover off Macs at the same time. Wrong again. WoW has a native OS X client, and works great on linux thanks to OpenGL support, despite the lack of a native linux client. Why did the MMO market leader provide an OS X client rather than a linux one? Blizzard releases products for profit, so does CCP, why would they 'waste' their resources if it didn't pay off? Get over it dude, you're just wrong.
Musashi Hideaki Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.02.14 03:45:00 - [88] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker no need anymore since MACs can now dualboot windows It's true, I have seen it running on a MacBook Pro in bootcamp, and it looked great. But - Windows XP SP2, which is the earliest version currently supported for bootcamp is ￥23,220 - before buying antivirus, etc.. That seems a lot to pay, just to play EVE, even though I like it a lot. So maybe Cider/MacDX/Native port would be a better option for most people. It would sure make me happy. At the same time though, I spent many years working in software development for Un*x, Linux, Windows and Mac, and I know how expensive and time consuming conversions like this are. I've done a few on enterprise software. With that in mind, unless Transgaming have really pulled a miracle out of their hat and made Cider a true wrap-and-play solution, perhaps CCP cooperating with Transgaming/Wine Team/Crossover would be the best solution. Anyway, I'm sympathetic to CCP's problem, but the lack of a real Mac solution is going to be one of the factors to consider as to whether I will take this trial account on as a regular gaming prospect. There are a few different companies / organisations and people who have the opportunity to fix this, and with a bit of luck, hopefully we'll get something that makes everyone happy with minimal expense to CCP and the end user.
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.14 07:38:00 - [89] Originally by: Zaenar Originally by: Lord XSiV As for 'OS Flamewars crap' as you put it, why would CCP go to the effort to port to a platform hardly ever used? It would make more sense for them to port to linux as there are more knowledgeable users in that community that would be more likely to play Eve.... Hint: There's a major flaw in your reasoning. 6.3% marketshare and rising for Macs. So much for 'hardly ever used'. As for 'more knowledgeable users' you again need a reality check. Originally by: Lord XSiV Not only that but then you can use linux compatibility mode to cover off Macs at the same time. Wrong again. WoW has a native OS X client, and works great on linux thanks to OpenGL support, despite the lack of a native linux client. Why did the MMO market leader provide an OS X client rather than a linux one? Blizzard releases products for profit, so does CCP, why would they 'waste' their resources if it didn't pay off? Get over it dude, you're just wrong. Please provide that reality check. Professionals don't use toys when it comes to critical infrastructure which is why you don't see Apple in the server space for any serious application. Anywhere it is used in the server space is for the pure novelty aspect..... Your numbers for market share are quite interesting. I remember back in the late 80s, early 90s, Apple was around 10% marketshare so going on a time period basis it appears that Apple is failing. As I stated earlier in the thread (or somewhere else if I didn't) MS put investment in Apple to keep it afloat to avoid anti-trust allegations. Once Redhat (or other Linux distro) actually gets a supportable desktop offering for the common user out there, MS will pull their investment and let Apple die off. Long overdue. As for credibility, you brought WoW into the discussion so maybe you are more suited towards that game and should consider moving back to it. Obligatory - 'Can I have your Stuff?' (note: I can't wait to get my t-shirt!) Anyhow, point still stands, it isn't worthwhile for CCP to port over to Apple. I haven't even mentioned the business end of it which should be obvious. In fact it would probably make better sense to port a client over to the Amiga than Apple. End of my part. You love your Apple and that is fine so live in that world and think that all is rosey. The rest of us know better. For some it is ok to live with sub standard stuff, even if they know they overpaid for it. Same feeling you get after paying for a big ticket item and then seeing it on sale the next week for 85% off. Best of luck.
Alexander Knott Ars Caelestis Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.15 16:43:00 - [90] When did this become "My OS is better than your OS"? Why? That kind of conversation is a complete waste of time. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever 'won' such an argument? As for Macs as servers, probably not. It's just not cost-effective when you consider that MacOS X is a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland. Most places setting up server farms will just buy rack mount PCs and install FreeBSD or Linux if they're looking for a Unix environment, Windows if they're looking for a Windows environment. Where I have seen Macs become much more popular is the NANOG crowd, who value them as Unix machines with decent user application support (I'm sure that they're used in other areas as well, I just don't interact with those markets). In general though, Macs seem to be way more popular than they were prior to moving to Intel hardware and releasing MacOS X (maybe also driven partly by brand awareness created by the iPod?). I don't think it's unreasonable that CCP would want to cash in on this growing popularity, especially given the availability of tools (Transgaming) for doing it without a total client rewrite. Assuming relatively equal market penetration into the Mac market (5%) as to the windows market (90%), that would mean (160k/90%)*5% or 8.8k new subscribers, at $10.95/mo, or 1.17 million dollars a year. I'd assume that even with overhead removed, that will pay for one or two devs in Iceland and whatever tools they need to make the job easy. Penetration into the Mac market might even be a bit higher because at the present time, it's not like Mac users have a lot of options when it comes to gaming. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
medecau 33 cl's	Posted - 2007.02.16 11:16:00 - [91] I have a windows machine wich i use to play eve but if there was a mac version i would defently switch and get an alt to help me on the new laptop. please please please
Umesh	Posted - 2007.02.16 15:43:00 - [92] One more for the Mac version of Eve online. Woould be great if ccp would release a Mac compatible client. Cheers
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.19 02:05:00 - [93] Originally by: Alexander Knott When did this become "My OS is better than your OS"? Why? That kind of conversation is a complete waste of time. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever 'won' such an argument? As for Macs as servers, probably not. It's just not cost-effective when you consider that MacOS X is a Mach kernel with a FreeBSD userland. Most places setting up server farms will just buy rack mount PCs and install FreeBSD or Linux if they're looking for a Unix environment, Windows if they're looking for a Windows environment. Where I have seen Macs become much more popular is the NANOG crowd, who value them as Unix machines with decent user application support (I'm sure that they're used in other areas as well, I just don't interact with those markets). In general though, Macs seem to be way more popular than they were prior to moving to Intel hardware and releasing MacOS X (maybe also driven partly by brand awareness created by the iPod?). I don't think it's unreasonable that CCP would want to cash in on this growing popularity, especially given the availability of tools (Transgaming) for doing it without a total client rewrite. Assuming relatively equal market penetration into the Mac market (5%) as to the windows market (90%), that would mean (160k/90%)*5% or 8.8k new subscribers, at $10.95/mo, or 1.17 million dollars a year. I'd assume that even with overhead removed, that will pay for one or two devs in Iceland and whatever tools they need to make the job easy. Penetration into the Mac market might even be a bit higher because at the present time, it's not like Mac users have a lot of options when it comes to gaming. Well at least you had a somewhat intelligent response with some business statements in it. Still flawed mind you so I will explain. The variables you are missing are those related to support and the type of user from each of the market spaces. Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. Afterall, Apple designed the machines that way to catter towards that type of end user. PCs arguably are more difficult for the end user and this does create a support nightmare on one hand, but effectively segregates the user population based on capability. This allows products to be built and targetted towards user segments with minimal support costs. So CCP is saving themselves a support nightmare as Mac users expect a lot of 'hand holding' when they have a problem. Real gamers use PCs, it is a fact. Hardware vendors develop for the PC platform because that is where the customer base is at. That customer base is what plays games like Eve. This customer base is computer litterate and knows what they are doing, thus requiring less support. Makes perfect business sense to concentrate and cater towards that market. Sorry, but your Mac isn't all that and a bag of chips like their frontman would have you believe. Get over it. Now take the above statement and apply it to my earlier statement that it would be better for CCP to make a port for the Amiga before a Mac port. As for the server discussion, anyone in the community knows that a Mach kernel isn't as good as a Fbsd native kernel when it comes to running anything of use :) Anyhow, dead duck issue. CCP has't announced any plans for a Mac client which would support my side of this discussion anyhow. It isn't like they haven't done the analysis...
Melkinor T'sbanion Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.02.19 07:24:00 - [94] me too
WisdomLikeSilence Knights of Red Mars Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.19 15:01:00 - [95] "Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. " Aside from the fact that you are obviously "very much english illiterate" you seem to know bugger all about "computers" or Mac users either. I assume you are a child and have just bought your first computer, thus the psychotic pride in owning a glitchy 1990's operating system made by a company which defines the term anticompetitive. Personally, I run both systems and have always found XP to be an adequate OS - nothing special. But about as stable as a 3 legged cow, when you introduce anything new to the system. By comparison Apples os is a ferrari to windows' Lada. Thus I would far prefer to spend my time in eve using osX. I want to use my robot-wisdo body!
Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.20 01:44:00 - [96] Originally by: WisdomLikeSilence "Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. " Aside from the fact that you are obviously "very much english illiterate" you seem to know bugger all about "computers" or Mac users either. I assume you are a child and have just bought your first computer, thus the psychotic pride in owning a glitchy 1990's operating system made by a company which defines the term anticompetitive. Personally, I run both systems and have always found XP to be an adequate OS - nothing special. But about as stable as a 3 legged cow, when you introduce anything new to the system. By comparison Apples os is a ferrari to windows' Lada. Thus I would far prefer to spend my time in eve using osX. Rabble rabble, a bunch of personal insults and some more rabble rabble. Open your eyes to the real world. Anyhow, I deal with this kind of garbage on a fairly regular basis in the enterprise world so no biggie. It is fairly easy to get that 'gfx artist who demands a Mac for his workstation' removed form the environment by labelling them a security threat. Afterall, pretty web pages versus getting compromised by some script kid in indonesia is a pretty easy choice. Besides, gfx artists are a dime a dozen anyhow. Oh and my english grammar maybe off at times but I don't think proofing it before posting to a forums even matters anyway. Besides, who are you to judge anyhow? I have people that pay me (and actually matter) that say I have above average writing skills, so your insult has no cred. You on the other hand use a Mac, so I need to insult no further. :)

Santiago Cortes Caldari ISD Interstellar Correspondents Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.02.20 03:36:00 - [97] Cleaned Please play nicely, Macs have feelings too :( Anyway my ZX Spectrum was better than yours. forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our Website!

Lord XSiV Amarr The Nine Gates	Posted - 2007.02.20 06:36:00 - [98] Originally by: Santiago Cortes Cleaned Please play nicely, Macs have feelings too :( Anyway my ZX Spectrum was better than yours. No they don't. It is a bag of circuits at best. You of all people should know better. :)
Impericus	Posted - 2007.02.21 22:16:00 - [99] Yes please, I want a Mac Client.
Henn Heirr	Posted - 2007.02.25 09:22:00 - [100] Edited by: Henn Heirr on 25/02/2007 09:19:21 Oh please! give us a Mac client!
Alanin	Posted - 2007.02.25 10:11:00 - [101] bump for OSX Client!
Alanin	Posted - 2007.02.25 10:14:00 - [102] Edited by: Alanin on 25/02/2007 10:11:34 doublebump - bad wificonnection made me click the button twice!
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.26 06:37:00 - [103] Originally by: Lord XSiV Anyhow, dead duck issue. CCP has't announced any plans for a Mac client which would support my side of this discussion anyhow. It isn't like they haven't done the analysis... MMORPG Fanfest Coverage Quote: Fannar also revealed that the company is actively developing Linux support for EVE Online. He also strongly hinted - to the point where he basically confirmed - that an Apple client was also in the works. The rest of your post was nothing more than religious zealotry, the kind of which that gets a bit tiresome after working in the software industry for a while. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Damiro	Posted - 2007.02.27 19:27:00 - [104] Quote: The rest of your post was nothing more than religious zealotry (...) QFT! My both hands up for a Mac client!
masijumi	Posted - 2007.02.28 03:45:00 - [105] Originally by: Lord XSiV Technical support for Mac is much more expensive to maintain as their users are very much computer illiterate. Afterall, Apple designed the machines that way to catter towards that type of end user. PCs arguably are more difficult for the end user and this does create a support nightmare on one hand, but effectively segregates the user population based on capability. Wow. I think there are dumb computer users on both ends, but this doesn't segregate anything. I am not computer illiterate, and I use macs. I have also seen macs in corporate server rooms (in reference to your earlier statement). Most people who use a mac, in general, seem to know much more about computers than a Windows user. I think your stereotype is a little off.
Aeon Jonas Caldari The Caldari Confederation	Posted - 2007.02.28 12:53:00 - [106] A client for Mac OS X please please please. If you do I will get a second account as well which will bring more moey to you. Please. Thanks.
1 Man	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:10:00 - [107] I doubt they will do. it means twice as many clients to develop, patch and rollout for probably a 2% increase. Other game companies which have games working on the MAC probably use OPENGL and not DX. MACs are not gaming machines. Dont buy one of your "Superior" MACs and then start complaining the things you like don't work. Its very hypocritical, which is typical mac owner attitued.
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.02.28 13:53:00 - [108] you should ask for a better cooperation or better information about a cooperation with codeweavers and their crossover for mac product
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.28 16:22:00 - [109] I'm fairly certain from other things I've read that they're doing a Cider port. It'd also make sense given their relationship with Transgaming. Cider makes me wonder if Transgaming is coming out with a similar product for Linux. ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
Damiro	Posted - 2007.02.28 20:37:00 - [110] Edited by: Damiro on 28/02/2007 20:34:47 Originally by: 1 Man I doubt they will do. it means twice as many clients to develop, patch and rollout for probably a 2% increase. Other game companies which have games working on the MAC probably use OPENGL and not DX. MACs are not gaming machines. Dont buy one of your "Superior" MACs and then start complaining the things you like don't work. Its very hypocritical, which is typical mac owner attitued. First, mate, the Comps are called Mac, not MAC. And second: I bet that I run a better config with my MacBook Pro than you with your Windblows machine. Third: Porting games is often done via third party firms like Aspyr. Why the hell should they not take care about Mac users? Games like CoD 2, Prey, The Sims blah blah got ported onto Mac. Why? Coz it's paying. And when there's a Mac client there will be definetly many more players available. EVE is definitely interesting for a online gaming interested Mac user. Fourth: This is a "I want a Mac client" thread, so let the Mac users post here. Let's see. I hope you'll remind your words when there's a Mac client ... so far.
Tel Bakhara	Posted - 2007.03.03 12:10:00 - [111] Pump and I might be drunk. Might I change the topic into: [Redo EVE in OpenGL Please!] This will solve any question about porting...But...
Nate D Naughty Ambitious Temptatious Endeavours	Posted - 2007.03.03 21:37:00 - [112] Edited by: Nate D on 03/03/2007 21:34:12 CCP released a news artical several years ago with a link to this online petition... why don't you sign it... and/or copy it to your sig. I signed it several years back and with a quick look through I found a rough figure of 1/5 of the people saying that they DIDNT want a Mac/Linux client. So out of the 3100 people that cared to sign it back in 2004 only 2480 people wanted the Mac/Linux client. Petition Link: http://www.petitiononline.com/eve2106/petition.html I figure if the rest of the EVE population feels the same then that's a fairly large portion of subscribers right? Plus I HATE Cedega!!!!!!!!! I feel terrible paying for their crap software... I'd much rather donate that same sum of money to free/gnu projects like Wine. And their software is **zle! -Nate Edit: Forgot the link. Haha... long day. --- Voice Comms are Coming** ...SoonÖ [Click] Scribble scribble draws a duck ,~~. ( 9 )-_, (\___ )=='-' \ . ) ) \ `-' / `~j-' "=: <3 Kaemonn I can't draw, but here's a kitty! =^-^= <3 Conuion Meow
Inara Talamasca	Posted - 2007.03.05 05:40:00 - [113] Yes, this is another request for a Mac client... and I speak for myself, and my sister we have 3 accounts between us, and a fourth if an OSX client (or even a working porting besides bootcamp) comes to be. Lest you also forget that the numbers of "user" percentage are skewed... Those numbers include the -millions- of 'windows-at-work' drones that are NOT used to play games for PC. The average Mac is used at home, or dual purpose for home&work or school... far more likely to have someone who -wants- to play a game. As for being illiterate, Oh goddess... Those statistics are far from accurate... my sister works at a call center who's clients are all on windows pcs... she will attest to the level of utter stupidity on the other end. "No, that it the monitor power button, sir... thats why nothing has changed since you 'restarted' " And, as for me, I have one high end WinXP box here currently dead from the last windows "update" and another that went unstable from similar -required- updates. Meanwhile, my Mac laptop hums away next to me, running my skype, yim, aim, ssh shells, web browser and a myriad of other things, and never crashes... or shuts down. My Mac laptop can play secondlife or wow without problems, though it is older and a bit slow with such (1Ghz G4/1Gram). Personally, I am tired of the only semi-real "fix" for my WinXP boxes to be utter reinstall, and am about to order a MacPro, as is my sis... which is why I looked at this thread. Cider or OpenGl.. Please. 4x 1-2year subscriptions promised. Eve is the ONLY thing making me sigh about getting a MacPro (ok and the $$...)
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.05 08:50:00 - [114] Well at least Cider isn't vaporware any longer: Title announced. As a linux user and eve-tech forum user, I too get irritated with the stereotype that the mac crowd are illiterate. After 18 years in the systems biz, the biggest bunch clueless wonders have ALWAYS been the windows user crowd. (when the corresponding numbers are higher, the percentage of droolers is also higher.) I think that any accusation of "stupidity" is rediculous over all though because there are good AND bad users on every platform....yes, even linux. Ubuntu 3d-Linux Desktop+EVE
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.03.05 10:22:00 - [115] a first cider port nice the game is rated silver to gold under wine (no test results under crossover but I guess it would run there as well) only time will tell if it's better to compile a game with cider or use the seperate api emulation (porting a single version vs. integration it into build and development/test cycles) atm I would say it's a job for marketing (buy one game/port at a time vs. buying/testing crossover for mac)
Sevarus James Minmatar Meridian Dynamics FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.03.06 04:18:00 - [116] Originally by: El*ER a first cider port nice the game is rated silver to gold under wine (no test results under crossover but I guess it would run there as well) only time will tell if it's better to compile a game with cider or use the seperate api emulation (porting a single version vs. integration it into build and development/test cycles) atm I would say it's a job for marketing (buy one game/port at a time vs. buying/testing crossover for mac) It should be interesting to see how this plays out. I can see the attraction from the developer of a game for the 'wider' audience plus cache of 'mac native' on the box with the cider implementation. For standalone games with no major "upgrade" or changes after release, cider would probably be a good way to go, but in the MMO side of things where the client is continually 'futzed' with the crossover/wine way might be better. At least the choices are there now. Ubuntu 3d-Linux Desktop+EVE
Teenage Girl	Posted - 2007.03.07 19:03:00 - [117] Originally by: El*ER atm I would say it's a job for marketing (buy one game/port at a time vs. buying/testing crossover for mac) The game works fine on Crossover for OS X. The player icons do not show up, and there's no sound. But it's perfectly playable at native speeds. Sure beats paying for a copy of XP just to run Eve in Bootcamp.
Sekket	Posted - 2007.03.08 17:42:00 - [118] Edited by: Sekket on 08/03/2007 17:38:46 http://www.gamersinfo.net/index.php?art/id:1598 Let the sun shine! Let the sun shine in! The suuuuuun shine innnnnn!
Methuselar	Posted - 2007.03.12 14:41:00 - [119] OpenGL~~~ ================================================ Holier Than Thou
Tal' asir	Posted - 2007.03.13 08:32:00 - [120] http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/03/09/eve/index.php
Mihyang Citadel Labs	Posted - 2007.03.20 08:52:00 - [121] Originally by: Tal' asir http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/03/09/eve/index.php Best news I've heard in a long time.
Thomas Maleficus Caldari all professions	Posted - 2007.03.22 00:44:00 - [122] I have a brother in law that wants to subscribe, alas he has a Mac. You are losing out on his money and many other peoples money. Make a Mac client. Have I sufficiently degraded this image to a suitable level of crap to satisfy you?
Redden AltMer	Posted - 2007.03.26 18:48:00 - [123] Please put my name in the hat for the mac version of EVE.
Ce Lau	Posted - 2007.03.27 13:39:00 - [124] o/ signed
Crimsonjade Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.03.27 14:05:00 - [125] be nice to finally put this PC to rest and be able to just use my Mac's to play eve . if they actually do release a version this summer ccp may actually have given me reason to fly to iceland for fanfest. just so i can buy them all as much vodka as they can drink
JeanPierre Gallente Acheron Vanguard Armada The Makhai	Posted - 2007.03.27 23:25:00 - [126] Originally by: Crimsonjade be nice to finally put this PC to rest and be able to just use my Mac's to play eve . if they actually do release a version this summer ccp may actually have given me reason to fly to iceland for fanfest. just so i can buy them all as much vodka as they can drink /signed ...signed a guy who could also fly to Iceland and buy devs as much of whatever poison they drink, as they want. ------------------------------ Ever notice that people who spend money on beer, cigarettes, and lottery tickets are always complaining about being broke and not feeling well?
Mac Chicken	Posted - 2007.04.03 20:43:00 - [127] bump-age ATM I am stuck at home with the only PC in front of me, yet I cannot play EVE, since its a Mac ... a mac client soon please having said that looking at the amount of bugs / lags / node crashes / general retardness of the game, i doubt they have time for this T_T
Darkshiver	Posted - 2007.04.13 20:24:00 - [128] /sign I'd be avil for beta testing it too if need be. Beta on the PC, so why not the mac too... :)
VaderDSL Caldari Incoherent Inc	Posted - 2007.04.13 21:25:00 - [129] Originally by: Mac Chicken bump-age ATM I am stuck at home with the only PC in front of me, yet I cannot play EVE, since its a Mac ... a mac client soon please having said that looking at the amount of bugs / lags / node crashes / general retardness of the game, i doubt they have time for this T_T what mac? if intel get boot camp downloaded :)
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.17 03:30:00 - [130] Bootcamp works great, yes. But not all of us are able to spend more money on a fraggin XP/Vista (shudder) disk. Although some of us are lucky enough to have the disks. I am so used to tabbing out of EVE to go check stuff online or reply to a forum post, listen to itunes, do some other stuff while EVE is running, that just using a separate partition, a whole new operating system is a major PITA. So, I am really hoping something will change in the next 6 months or so, and we will have a mac client.
Telekon Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.04.26 02:23:00 - [131] Fascinating discovery - Apple is using a screen capture from Eve on their Games - Getting Started page. The graphic rotates, so you may need to hit refresh a few times for it to show. The graphic URL: http://images.apple.com/games/gettingstarted/images/piceveonline.jpg
Archyma	Posted - 2007.04.26 17:26:00 - [132] even if I get the crossover to reload eve at some point.. 20 fps, tiny window and entire ui reset (inc language) after every patch is just annoying. if not a client please please a tiny bit more support..
Razeigz	Posted - 2007.04.28 06:31:00 - [133] Originally by: Telekon Fascinating discovery - Apple is using a screen capture from Eve on their Games - Getting Started page. The graphic rotates, so you may need to hit refresh a few times for it to show. The graphic URL: http://images.apple.com/games/gettingstarted/images/piceveonline.jpg Just to clarify though: if you click on "Role Playing Games" you will indeed see Eve, but you'll also notice that it has the tiny "Intel" logo next to it. This indicates, essentially, that's it not a universal binary (you'd see the UB logo next to it instead) and thus is BootCamp friendly (as we all know) but it still doesn't talk to OSX directly.
Phoenix155	Posted - 2007.04.28 14:18:00 - [134] I'll post this AGAIN. EVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER SPACE GAME IS MACBOUND
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific Interstellar Corporate Alliance	Posted - 2007.04.28 17:50:00 - [135] Originally by: Phoenix155 I'll post this AGAIN. EVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER SPACE GAME IS MACBOUND Yea, many are already aware of the news mate. EVE+Mac coupling has been talked of for years, apparently. TransGaming is making an emulation platform; I am a bit apprehensive about it, to be honest. But, we shall see, it supposed to be a seamless transition/emulation, as they put it, it supposed to "wrap" EVE in Cider. In my limited experience anything that runs an emulation, or in "wrapping" has end-user limitations on features. Usually something as simple as the resolution or screen-size limits, etc. Anyway, it is to early to speculate on the success of Cider and how it will present EVE, one can only hope it will work perfectly. I was hoping for a UB version of EVE.
Lazzeron	Posted - 2007.04.30 16:19:00 - [136] Add me to the list of Active subscribers who want a native Mac OS X client for Intel Macs! Anyone know a estimated release date for the Mac OS X port? Thanks
Nikolai Tesla Yulai Financial	Posted - 2007.05.01 21:31:00 - [137] Signed, signed and signed again.
Jericho deWinter	Posted - 2007.05.03 02:15:00 - [138] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Phoenix155 I'll post this AGAIN. EVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER SPACE GAME IS MACBOUND Yea, many are already aware of the news mate. EVE+Mac coupling has been talked of for years, apparently. TransGaming is making an emulation platform; I am a bit apprehensive about it, to be honest. But, we shall see, it supposed to be a seamless transition/emulation, as they put it, it supposed to "wrap" EVE in Cider. In my limited experience anything that runs an emulation, or in "wrapping" has end-user limitations on features. Usually something as simple as the resolution or screen-size limits, etc. Anyway, it is to early to speculate on the success of Cider and how it will present EVE, one can only hope it will work perfectly. I was hoping for a UB version of EVE. Generally when something hits macworld it's happening (and soon). I damn near had a heart attack when I saw the little column in the most recent issue of the magazine. I'll officially have no reason to run windows.
Janita Ambolor	Posted - 2007.05.04 09:30:00 - [139] why do people allways come up with that bootcamp ****? guys, i own a mac, and i dont want to buy another windows from microsoft, just to be able to play eve on it, thats a lot of money, besides my mac will never have this virus-honeypot named windows on it.
Corwin Kae	Posted - 2007.05.16 23:40:00 - [140] /signed Mac OSX client please! I am growing more and more tired of Microsoft and EVE is one of the only reasons I'm clinging on. Also, all of my MAC user friends are interested in EVE but refuse to run Windows to play. I'm sure I'm not the only person with friends like these. It's only a matter of time before I am fed up with Windows and switch to Mac with or without EVE. I'd hate to cancel 3 accounts because there is no Mac Client. The Mac community is on the brink of a boom, it would be foolish to ignore them.
Todd Doughnut	Posted - 2007.05.17 13:08:00 - [141] Bootcamp on a seperate partition has no effect on the mac. Besides running windows allows you to play a whole bunch of other games, if you are a gamer rather than just an eve addict. The cider thing sounds good because as it stands any intel mac can run eve on half of one core while doing handstands. The fabulous cost of buying Vista on its own is a total ****er though. Truely microsoft have everyone over a barrel.
RuriHoshino Minmatar The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.05.17 15:21:00 - [142] Thanks to my position in a university I've not yet had to pay for a copy of Windows, which is just as well, because I'd feel awful dirty doing it. I've no problem paying for games and content on the Xbox 360, because that's a product that Microsoft did well, but the ugliness and vulnerability of Windows are just inexcusable in this century. That said, barring CCP coding their own Mac client (anyone wanna give me odds on that?) this Crossover thing seems to be a good compromise. Or at least, it would if Crossover didn't cost $50 There are two good solutions, as I see it: CCP could buy the right to use and distribute the Crossover/Cider/WINE wrapper, or Codweavers (who make Crossover) could release their own standalone wrapper for EVE that did not require you to purchase the entire Crossover application. Unfortunatly for the OP, neither of these would work with the PowerPC, and really, I don't see CCP investing anything in an architecture that Apple has abandoned themselves. Yes, they will continue to compile and release software for PPC machines because they still make up the vast majority of operational Macs, but the codebase to do so already exists. CCP would have to recode the EVE client from scratch, for the sake of what appears to most corporate entities a niche market, whereas the work of getting their existing client to run on Intel macs has already been done. I'll go ahead and sign the thread, though, because if it ever happened then I would feel obligated to send CCP some sort of trophy _______________________________________________________________ The Mission Guys - Scavenging the remains of our fallen enemies since 2007.
Stu Stern Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.20 07:33:00 - [143] Originally by: RuriHoshino That said, barring CCP coding their own Mac client (anyone wanna give me odds on that?) this Crossover thing seems to be a good compromise. Or at least, it would if Crossover didn't cost $50 You can apply as an advocate on their compatibility center page (doesn't require a purchased version afaik) and you get access to all stable, nightly and beta releases for free. Well not for free, you have to test the app you're advocating (EVE in my case), file beta reports for it and monitor the forums, but it's not a lot of work and you get CrossOver for free (without any support of course). Details It's a pretty nice offer by the codeweavers guys.
hotjojo	Posted - 2007.05.21 14:53:00 - [144] Any new news, on the MAC usage. I just got a new mac powerbook with the intel chip. I want to play eve so bad. is there anything i can do, besides getting a PC to play?
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.21 16:26:00 - [145] try the crossover for mac demo
RuriHoshino Minmatar The Mission Guys	Posted - 2007.05.21 21:11:00 - [146] Originally by: Stu Stern You can apply as an advocate on their compatibility center page (doesn't require a purchased version afaik) and you get access to all stable, nightly and beta releases for free. Well not for free, you have to test the app you're advocating (EVE in my case), file beta reports for it and monitor the forums, but it's not a lot of work and you get CrossOver for free (without any support of course). Details It's a pretty nice offer by the codeweavers guys. That's an interesting offer. No reason an EVE forum warrior wouldn't be able to do some posting for those folks too However, I think I'll wait and base all my hopes and dreams on CCP releasing a wrapped client with the next patch. That may be foolish, but hey, you gotta have a dream, right? The Mission Guys - Scavenging the remains of our fallen enemies since 2007.
Zevias Kurr	Posted - 2007.05.25 02:10:00 - [147] Originally by: Aitrus Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're already planning on a new build of the client anyway. Why not use that opportunity to make something platform independant? Id, Epic, and Blizzard don't have any problems doing that... First of all until you support Root BSD, Linux, Minix, Everythign that has EVER booted on anything, anywhere, you are NOT platform independent. (No longer at the quoted directly) Frankly I'm sick of hearing Mac users complain about the state of programs on their desktop. Listen, You have spectacular OOB drivers on that thing, USE Wine! there is a Wine port for MacOS which as far as I know works 1:1 with Linux. Use linux for a while _then_ complain to me about people not willing to support you for being a minority userbase. Without getting into serious Distro/OS wars. Anyway, I want a native client too, but they best you're going to get is a Winelib build, ie the windows client built with wine to essentially become a native application, _essentially_. There is simply no reason to ever have to duel boot for a game, if you have to, it's not worth it. Good thing you can easily run Via wine or it's Derivatives... In this case Wine, Cider, or Crossover, the latter two costing money.
igor12	Posted - 2007.05.28 18:51:00 - [148] Mac OS X client! +1
MKingery Minmatar Dark Knights of Deneb	Posted - 2007.05.30 07:40:00 - [149] this is where somebody at ccp posts "oh hey guys, heres what we know so far, and here is a TENTATIVE release date!"
Onicov	Posted - 2007.05.30 08:23:00 - [150] /vote Of course.
Crimsonjade Comanche Nation	Posted - 2007.06.05 02:27:00 - [151] Originally by: MKingery this is where somebody at ccp posts "oh hey guys, heres what we know so far, and here is a TENTATIVE release date!" QFT!!! by god its summer alomst CCP. gimme my MAC client thingy so i can make the fanfest reservations :P
Jinx Barker GFB Scientific	Posted - 2007.06.05 04:43:00 - [152] Originally by: MKingery this is where somebody at ccp posts "oh hey guys, heres what we know so far, and here is a TENTATIVE release date!" Righhhhtttt, and I am invited to the Buckingham palace for tea and biscuits. Don't get me wrong, even a slight squeak from the Devs would be appreciated.
Crimsonjade Comanche Nation	Posted - 2007.06.11 14:06:00 - [153] ok 1 bottle of whatever tequila to the first Dev(i dont care who tbh) to evn post here . we mac users are getting desperate :P
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.11 17:51:00 - [154] Originally by: Crimsonjade ok 1 bottle of whatever tequila to the first Dev(i dont care who tbh) to evn post here . we mac users are getting desperate :P if this isn't a reson...
Iota Mordu RAND Corporation	Posted - 2007.06.12 08:41:00 - [155] Edited by: Iota Mordu on 12/06/2007 08:43:38 Originally by: Capn Pugwash I'd like to add my name to any list of people wanting an OSX Mac client /signed -
Demitry	Posted - 2007.06.15 07:01:00 - [156] Has CCP ever said anything about a port?
Ciara Daag	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:03:00 - [157] Originally by: Aitrus Edited by: Aitrus on 02/07/2006 22:22:24 Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Aitrus Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're both niche markets really. I would prefer they go to the one I plan on using. My playtime has devolved to booting to windows once a week to switch skills. I don't do anything else in windows, so I'm reaching the point of canceling my accounts. Besides, I'm a customer. It a customers prerogative to make unreasonable requests. The fact is,Direct-X 10 is the future. Eventually,XP will be desupported. Then the only clients they will have will be on vista. Furthermore,when most people have direct-x 10 hardware,and everyone is running vista or higher,they will be able go to only the Direct-X 10 client and not worry about 9.
Ciara Daag	Posted - 2007.06.17 03:06:00 - [158] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Phoenix155 I'll post this AGAIN. EVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER SPACE GAME IS MACBOUND Yea, many are already aware of the news mate. EVE+Mac coupling has been talked of for years, apparently. TransGaming is making an emulation platform; I am a bit apprehensive about it, to be honest. But, we shall see, it supposed to be a seamless transition/emulation, as they put it, it supposed to "wrap" EVE in Cider. In my limited experience anything that runs an emulation, or in "wrapping" has end-user limitations on features. Usually something as simple as the resolution or screen-size limits, etc. Anyway, it is to early to speculate on the success of Cider and how it will present EVE, one can only hope it will work perfectly. I was hoping for a UB version of EVE. That would make sense. I assume the devs will get a mac to test on,so that its just a matter of testing new clients on the mac platform and making any tweaks,or notifying cedega of any problems before release. Thats alot less work than writing a new client.
Flowerchick	Posted - 2007.06.20 08:03:00 - [159] my name too in this list :D macpro dual quadcore, so there is actually no problem with parallels 3.0 importand thing: you have to run fullscreen because of the mouse offset, but its buggy -> mor than enought for skillchange, and more is not good for me in the company :D greets flower
Beccara	Posted - 2007.06.20 09:13:00 - [160] Yeah add me too, Crossover Office for mac gets me 40fps, bootcamp gets me 120fps
Feenix Matsumi	Posted - 2007.06.20 15:11:00 - [161] Another vote for a Mac client here. Just switched from XP to an 8-core MacPro :) Bootcamp works very well - wide screen Cinema 20" running two clients at 95FPS (only about 4 cores get used under windows). Doesn't take too long to boot into XP and you can surf and mess around in windows too (use Firefox) while playing. The mac partition is entirely protected from the XP partition. I use Parallels for EveMon - works very well. Then no reboot needed unless your serious about playing Eve. Would be nice for a native client though.
Chan Zargrim Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.06.25 23:43:00 - [162] is there any new info? or any release window for the native Eve game??
Alexander Stalker	Posted - 2007.06.27 11:37:00 - [163] /signed I bought a MacPro a few days ago and I need this OS-X client!!!!
Angelus Custos Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.27 19:18:00 - [164] My new MacBook Pro is sceduled for friday, and i wont let anything from microsoft near it so i need that OSX intel client or i wont be able to play at work anymore Anyway, any kind of info would be appreciated.
Kavina Kodiak Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.28 03:00:00 - [165] I would cast my vote for a mac client. I'm currently using crossover to run eve on my IMAC (it runs nice... but I can't get any sound.)
Chan Zargrim Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.	Posted - 2007.06.28 22:35:00 - [166] has anyone tried Eve with the new Parallel's 3.0 that supports direct X???
Bob Niac Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.29 11:28:00 - [167] Originally by: Jinx Barker Originally by: Phoenix155 I'll post this AGAIN. EVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER SPACE GAME IS MACBOUND Yea, many are already aware of the news mate. EVE+Mac coupling has been talked of for years, apparently. TransGaming is making an emulation platform; I am a bit apprehensive about it, to be honest. But, we shall see, it supposed to be a seamless transition/emulation, as they put it, it supposed to "wrap" EVE in Cider. In my limited experience anything that runs an emulation, or in "wrapping" has end-user limitations on features. Usually something as simple as the resolution or screen-size limits, etc. Anyway, it is to early to speculate on the success of Cider and how it will present EVE, one can only hope it will work perfectly. I was hoping for a UB version of EVE. Lets get one thing straight. Wine Is Not an Emulator. And Transgaming's Cider is, for all intents and purposes, a port of Cedega; which in turn is a third party Wine. works sorta like this: install_game.dmg makes Game.app... Game.app has several layers to it... < OS X ( Xserver* { Cedega [ Game.exe ] Cedega } Xserver* ) OS X > Xserver is usually X11.app, xorg, or xfree86. Originally by:* Zevias Kurr Originally by: Aitrus Originally by: Jillius Eve works fine on a macbook with bootcamp. What about those of us who would prefer to stay in OSX? They're already planning on a new build of the client anyway. Why not use that opportunity to make something platform independant? Id, Epic, and Blizzard don't have any problems doing that... First of all until you support Root BSD, Linux, Minix, Everythign that has EVER booted on anything, anywhere, you are NOT platform independent. (No longer at the quoted directly) Frankly I'm sick of hearing Mac users complain about the state of programs on their desktop. Listen, You have spectacular OOB drivers on that thing, USE Wine! there is a Wine port for MacOS which as far as I know works 1:1 with Linux. Use linux for a while _then_ complain to me about people not willing to support you for being a minority userbase. Without getting into serious Distro/OS wars. Anyway, I want a native client too, but they best you're going to get is a Winelib build, ie the windows client built with wine to essentially become a native application, _essentially_. There is simply no reason to ever have to duel boot for a game, if you have to, it's not worth it. Good thing you can easily run Via wine or it's Derivatives... In this case Wine, Cider, or Crossover, the latter two costing money. Smart dude. also please check out my post about fink and wine.
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.29 17:16:00 - [168] the crossover users on mac should check if crossover includes the jack audio driver if it does you could try the jack for osx for sound
Brighid Kohime	Posted - 2007.07.03 21:16:00 - [169] Add me to the list of people wanting an OS X client. Linux would be great, too.
Angelus Fade Amarr The Black Ops	Posted - 2007.07.04 10:18:00 - [170] Parallels 3: Yes it does run, but only in Full Screen Mode. Framerate is worse than in CrossOver, but you get sound. Though there are lots of bugs in it like: - progress bars clutter in white boxes - window dragging is bugged - worst one: mouse does not always align correctly CrossOver 6.1: - Runs Eve flawlessly, but has no sound at all * Developer noted that Sound bug is in the list, but due to a technical problem cannot be fixed yet, so they have to wait until CrossOver 7 to do it. But the bug is a showstopper for 7.0, so when 7.0 goes gold Eve will play in Gold Certificate status. BootCamp: XP and Vista run perfect and play Eve like one would expect from a Windows Machine. PETITION: Yes please make an intel Mac Client for Eve. Eve seems to be written in a cool language and seems to have an excellent architecture, it should not be rocket science to port it. ------- Angelus Fade ------- I once was a badass fighter for the Amarr Empire, but they screwed me over and de-fanged me, so currently I am just a fluffy puppy space miner.... until the time
Bobbechk Spontaneous Defenestration	Posted - 2007.07.05 19:41:00 - [171] Originally by: Angelus Fade Parallels 3: Yes it does run, but only in Full Screen Mode. Framerate is worse than in CrossOver, but you get sound. Though there are lots of bugs in it like: - progress bars clutter in white boxes - window dragging is bugged - worst one: mouse does not always align correctly CrossOver 6.1: - Runs Eve flawlessly, but has no sound at all * Developer noted that Sound bug is in the list, but due to a technical problem cannot be fixed yet, so they have to wait until CrossOver 7 to do it. But the bug is a showstopper for 7.0, so when 7.0 goes gold Eve will play in Gold Certificate status. BootCamp: XP and Vista run perfect and play Eve like one would expect from a Windows Machine. PETITION: Yes please make an intel Mac Client for Eve. Eve seems to be written in a cool language and seems to have an excellent architecture, it should not be rocket science to port it. who uses sound anyway :D?
MoroseNYC	Posted - 2007.07.05 19:50:00 - [172] I'm running Eve Online on Mac, I pput BootCamp on one of my mac Book Pro's and it rund fine, no problems... I use to have a Dell for Vista but Dell's seem to crap out a lot and as a developer myself, when I moved my windows platform to Mac computers Vista runs 10 Times better on the Mac hardware... very sad for dell...
duger	Posted - 2007.07.08 01:23:00 - [173] dangit ccp make a mac client so my girlfriend can play >.<
Taris Arrathan Minmatar The Corporation Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.07.09 07:31:00 - [174] Edited by: Taris Arrathan on 09/07/2007 07:31:20 http://www.insidemacgames.com/news/story.php?ID=15333 :) Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Capn Hack Caldari	Posted - 2007.07.09 11:38:00 - [175] Originally by: Angelus Fade Parallels 3: Yes it does run, but only in Full Screen Mode. Framerate is worse than in CrossOver, but you get sound. Though there are lots of bugs in it like: - progress bars clutter in white boxes - window dragging is bugged - worst one: mouse does not always align correctly strange, the only one of those issues i get in parallels is the white boxes on progress bars (and thats only a problem at the fitting screen where it obscures the numbers). it works in fullscreen mode in the vm, but the vm will run in an os window so you can use other osx apps at the same time. ive only had the mouse alignment thing at the login screen. once you type the password and youre in, the window grabs the mouse and alignment isnt a problem anymore, tho you do need to hit cmd-opt to get app switching back in osx. im using build 3.0 4124
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2007.07.19 16:10:00 - [176] Originally by: Phoenix155 I'll post this AGAIN. EVE ONLINE MULTIPLAYER SPACE GAME IS MACBOUND Any (good) news about this?? Can't wait! Btw, one question about the new graphics engine in Eve. The Windows client uses DirectX 10. But on a Mac? I suppose, a native DirectX implementation for MacOS X will never exist. So OpenGL. But is OpenGL "state-of-the-art" in view of gaming? --Secus
ElfeGER Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.07.19 16:36:00 - [177] afaik opengl drivers with the gf8800 extensions where out before vista went retail also ccp always said they produce the gfx engine on dx9 and an extended version for vista with dx10 let's hope they are able to add a opengl rendering path as well as it is independent from vista (see farcry 1 as an example with opengl and dx rendering capabilities) it wouldn't even surprise me if they do opengl and dx10 only as win2k/xp has a working opengl support
Solbright altaltalt Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.19 21:49:00 - [178] I was under the impression that Eve's 3D renderer was DX7 based with small patches for DX8.
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2007.07.19 23:58:00 - [179] Originally by: Solbright altaltalt I was under the impression that Eve's 3D renderer was DX7 based with small patches for DX8. Yes, but I meant Eve's new graphics engine. Called Trinity I think... Originally by: El*ER ...also ccp always said they produce the gfx engine on dx9 and an extended version for vista with dx10 let's hope they are able to add a opengl rendering path as well as it is independent from vista (see farcry 1 as an example with opengl and dx rendering capabilities)... I hope this too. Everything else would be a pity - imagine: a shiny DX10 Vista client and the rest (Mac, XP) is "one step behind" forever Interesting in this context: "DX10 is do-able on Windows XP" I didn't know this about Farcry and OpenGL. Such great graphix with OpenGL? Really cool - a full featured Eve client for MacOS is possible!
Solbright altaltalt Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.07.20 07:11:00 - [180] Edited by: Solbright altaltalt on 20/07/2007 07:13:53 If you mean the rewritten one touted some years back but is currently not due out till next year. That's DX9 based. They said it would also included DX10 detection and add some extra shading for DX10. Renderers are a boring subject really. For me, I'd be happy with filled polygons if we could get better performance.
Damodred MorningLord Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.22 00:40:00 - [181] Well after running EVE on my windoze box I gave Crossfire a try on my macbook pro. It works great ! The dev's have released a simple beta patch for the sound, now I am getting 30-75fps playing eve via my mac with crossfire (and running eve-radio in the background with QT) I still wine (hehe) for a native OSX client for eve, as it will keep my nice shiny mac free of that "other evil" OS -Damo
Denuo Secus	Posted - 2007.07.23 08:25:00 - [182] Originally by: Damodred MorningLord Well after running EVE on my windoze box I gave Crossfire a try on my macbook pro. It works great ! The dev's have released a simple beta patch for the sound, now I am getting 30-75fps playing eve via my mac with crossfire (and running eve-radio in the background with QT) I still wine (hehe) for a native OSX client for eve, as it will keep my nice shiny mac free of that "other evil" OS -Damo 30-75fps on a notebook sounds really good! This is not possible on my dell... Which graphics resolution do you use for eve??
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.07.23 19:46:00 - [183] My Powerbook gets lonlely without EVE. So I'll add myself to this list here.
Pria Starle	Posted - 2007.07.24 01:59:00 - [184] Edited by: Pria Starle on 24/07/2007 02:02:57 Edited by: Pria Starle on 24/07/2007 02:02:42 While I just upgraded to a MacBook Pro from a PowerBook and can now run EVE via Boot Camp, I still think a 'native' version of EVE for OS X would be great, even it it's just wrapped in a compatibility layer. In fact, one of the biggest reasons I choose to play World of Warcraft instead of EVE was that Blizzard has such great Mac support. Macs users are a growing proportion of computer users, and while a majority of gamers still will remain PC-loyal, the (fairly) new Intel x86 architecture should make porting EVE that much easier, and I'm sure the extra subscriptions would be well worth the effort of a port. Finally, EVE just feels like a Mac game, in terms of look and overall aesthetic.
ralphs	Posted - 2007.07.24 12:25:00 - [185] I would also appreciate a Mac OSX client.
Lokidoki Caldari Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.07.29 17:44:00 - [186] Drop my name in the hat.
Kadesh Priestess	Posted - 2007.07.29 18:08:00 - [187] Click
Spartanas	Posted - 2007.08.16 11:45:00 - [188] Edited by: Spartanas on 16/08/2007 11:51:11 Sign up here for the Mac and Linux client beta testing..... Only until Friday!
Fredrick Engly	Posted - 2007.08.18 12:28:00 - [189] Think I missed the boat on this one :( :( very sad and would be of benefit to your testing Mac OSX Variety of linux flavors also RHCE
Lady Kvaak	Posted - 2007.08.23 12:50:00 - [190] missed it as well :( would love to test it Intel Imac 20" Core 2 Duo, 2 GB memory, 128 MB X1800 graphic card
Dreeder	Posted - 2007.08.23 20:47:00 - [191] Im gutted I missed the ¿volunteers thread¿ Im running 3 OSX machines. Macpro (2x Dual2.66/4gb/7300gt) 24¿iMac(C2D 2.16/2gb/7300gt) 17¿MBP (C2D 2.4/4gb/8600m gt)
shirayuki Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.08.23 21:51:00 - [192] I hate to miss things like these. If by any chance more get to try the betatest-thingie, please count me in. I'm running osx on a Macbook Pro first revision.
Cornucopian Gallente Dutch Omega United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.24 11:08:00 - [193] Uhm.... I might be uber moron.... but why encode an osx client when leopard is almost upon us? wont we just get a 7 page whine again for CCP to make a leopard client? or would the OSX one be extremely easy to upgrade? ----------------------------------------------- "post with your main. delete your alt, you sad little exploiting metagamer."
Mahrius	Posted - 2007.08.24 17:30:00 - [194] Leopard is OS X (10.5).
Blue Wraith	Posted - 2007.08.25 01:28:00 - [195] I hate I missed the boat on this too. :( I just got my new 2.4 Ghz 20" iMac today and would love to beta test the Mac client.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.08.25 04:33:00 - [196] A heads-up, the nVidia graphics chips are the only supported ones as ATI's and Intel's OpenGL support is lacking! So, you pretty much have to buy the top end model of each Mac variant. I'd a lot happier buying a Mac if I could buy just the motherboard/OS really. And maybe a case. But to be realistic, Apple could atleast have a base config and do the Dell trick of offering improved specs for each main device. Including the option to change at a later date.
Capn Hack Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.25 13:20:00 - [197] Originally by: Solbright A heads-up, the nVidia graphics chips are the only supported ones as ATI's and Intel's OpenGL support is lacking! So, you pretty much have to buy the top end model of each Mac variant. actually, that only applies to linux. with cider and osx, ati cards work well. intels onboard graphics works some of the time and is kinda slow and crappy, but thats the nature of that technology.
Solbright Advanced Security And Asset Protection	Posted - 2007.08.25 15:29:00 - [198] Originally by: Capn Hack actually, that only applies to linux. with cider and osx, ati cards work well. intels onboard graphics works some of the time and is kinda slow and crappy, but thats the nature of that technology. Cider won't help at all over Cedega/Wine. However, the Mac version of the OpenGL may be better, dunno, but why would the Linux version be worse given they are both OpenGL on the same hardware? Makes sense for ATI to be using the same libs for both platforms.
Capn Hack Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.26 23:22:00 - [199] Originally by: Solbright Cider won't help at all over Cedega/Wine. However, the Mac version of the OpenGL may be better, dunno, but why would the Linux version be worse given they are both OpenGL on the same hardware? Makes sense for ATI to be using the same libs for both platforms. well the linux and osx drivers for the ati (or nvidia for that matter) cards arent the same since macs still use a different rom. if im remembering correctly, its at the driver level that there are problems, rather than at the graphics lib level. since eve doesnt use opengl, the dx calls get translated by cider/cedega/wine and some of them must not be supported by the drivers provided by ati for linux, regardless of opengl. its very hard to get any real info on cider but thats what ive been able to gather from what ive found.
Chai Bora	Posted - 2007.08.28 05:44:00 - [200] Bah. Looks like I missed it as well. Suppose that's what I get for not looking at the forums for a while.
Jean Hallec	Posted - 2007.09.11 16:45:00 - [201] As always, missing boats is simply what I do.
Dostoevsky 7	Posted - 2007.09.12 20:02:00 - [202] the latest i have seen http://www.transgaming.com/news/?id=60 So for those of us who are thinking of buying a mac: would you all suggest it for playing eve? bootcamp, parallels, crossover, etc, which of these work the best for the new imacs? thx
Zeegler	Posted - 2007.09.12 21:01:00 - [203] As of my latest test, EVE doesn't work on Parallels or Fusion. It works fine under a partition with Windows installed, however.
Elduin Almeria	Posted - 2007.09.13 11:00:00 - [204] Edited by: Elduin Almeria on 13/09/2007 11:00:41 work pretty well for me on a recent MBP with crossover.
Kintano Vernisio	Posted - 2007.09.14 17:48:00 - [205] This just on a fan site: http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/11839 And the actuals from Transgaming: http://www.transgaming.com/news/?id=60 I can't wait!!
Carlita Fay	Posted - 2007.09.25 17:03:00 - [206] I play EVE on a 17" MBP, ie I dual-boot into windows. Its a pain to boot into windows just to play EVE so I cant wait for the Mac client, even if it is a cider port. I've read reviews for other cider games and they run very very well, except on the intel graphics macbooks. here is a link to a game review of a game ported with Cider http://insidemacgames.com/reviews/view.php?ID=861 If there is a beta for Mac eve client sign me up, but it appears as if i have missed it. fooey

CCP Lingorm	Posted - 2007.09.28 10:00:00 - [207] I has the MAC CLIENT. I will also check with Transgaming, but from what I understand Apple modifies the ATI drivers for it's Machines so that they do not have the issues that the Linux ones from ATI have. But I will confirm this. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader

Crimsonjade Union Of Xtreme Military M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.09.29 03:26:00 - [208] Originally by: CCP Lingorm I has the MAC CLIENT. I will also check with Transgaming, but from what I understand Apple modifies the ATI drivers for it's Machines so that they do not have the issues that the Linux ones from ATI have. But I will confirm this. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT givz0r meh teh Macz0r cl13nt nowzor
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.09.29 21:10:00 - [209] That's great! Could I join the testing? Mac Mini 1.83Ghz Core Duo. EVE works on Crossover for me, with sound too (till 2 patches ago). Thx. ____________________________ Chance favors the prepared mind.

CCP Lingorm	Posted - 2007.10.01 13:40:00 - [210] The Mac Test Client Download Instructions where just sent out. The approved Testers should now be able to download and connect to the test server. CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader

C Identity	Posted - 2007.10.01 14:25:00 - [211] Edited by: C Identity on 01/10/2007 14:35:49 Originally by: CCP Lingorm The Mac Test Client Download Instructions where just sent out. The approved Testers should now be able to download and connect to the test server. Is there any ETA on the final release? I see all kinda announcements over the net, but nothing about any ETA really. On the other hand, why work with approved beta testers only? I feel like beta testing with every major public release of EVE . Anyhow, can't wait to see how this thing will work. I tested games in Cider for some time now, and even with EVE, but I bet this release is nicely optimized including Cider to get EVE running smoothly. For sure the lately released EA/Cider games are working nice tbh. - C
Heypop Gallente Silver Star Federation Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.10.01 19:39:00 - [212] I'm sure it'll only be like 4-8 weeks. You can wait... Maybe.
Soy Black	Posted - 2007.10.02 21:22:00 - [213] Edited by: Soy Black on 02/10/2007 21:23:11 SOOOOOO bummed I missed the beta for the Mac client!!! Just needed to be searching sooner I guess. I'm a fairly recent mac convert. I started at a school as a MIS about 2 months ago - and as a school - we run alot of Macs. Cannot even begin to tell how much I love running a network and labs for apple computers over winblows machines! Anyway - look forward to not needing bootcamp anymore - all I use it for is Eve!!! BTW - if you are still looking for more - I have a Macbook pro - 2 gb ram - 256mb video. :P yada yada...
Lon beLine Gallente ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.04 00:07:00 - [214] Yeah, if you need any additional testers. I am game. I have been playing running EVE off my Mac (CrossOver v=>6.0) since this spring, banging my head off the wall with every bug. I've had to swap files in/out, change variables, come off serious caffeine binges, more times than I can remember. Puh-LEASE. I haven't been an active EVE forum warrior, but I can be! :-D I am not above begging...
lag kills Kapital Punishment Karnal Knowledge	Posted - 2007.10.04 04:19:00 - [215] Seriously. Stop asking to be a tester. You missed your chance. They don't need you. They don't want you. Get over it and wait for the public beta. ___________________________ not all who wander are lost.
Ce Lau	Posted - 2007.10.04 06:59:00 - [216] Eve will run under Parallels however FPS is not spectacular, graphic anomalies here and there, but it will run, but not under the latest build (5160) > login screen consists of odd colored patches, cannot type anything, or so it seems. So for now we'll continue to run native on da Mac by bootcamp. Really this is all what I use Windows for. A native smoothly running Mac client DROOL...
Lon beLine Gallente ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.07 16:44:00 - [217] Originally by: lag kills Seriously. Stop asking to be a tester. You missed your chance. They don't need you. They don't want you. Get over it and wait for the public beta. Wow, way to be, I asked once. Thanks though.
Valeo Galaem New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit	Posted - 2007.10.07 18:44:00 - [218] Originally by: Ce Lau Eve will run under Parallels however FPS is not spectacular, graphic anomalies here and there, but it will run, but not under the latest build (5160) > login screen consists of odd colored patches, cannot type anything, or so it seems. So for now we'll continue to run native on da Mac by bootcamp. Really this is all what I use Windows for. A native smoothly running Mac client DROOL... Its a pay-for solution, but have you looked at CodeWeavers CrossOver for Mac? It essentially Linux's Wine for Mac, and they officially support EVE. It should run better than Parallels since its not doing the virtualization. Thar be Pirates You are not authorised to hack into CONCORD's mainframe Your Wallet has been emptied! CONCORD Encryption Methods
lag kills Woopatang DeStInY.	Posted - 2007.10.07 21:53:00 - [219] Originally by: Lon beLine Originally by: lag kills Seriously. Stop asking to be a tester. You missed your chance. They don't need you. They don't want you. Get over it and wait for the public beta. Wow, way to be, I asked once. Thanks though. Notice how there are others in this thread who have begged just as pathetically as you did? If I was responding to you directly I would have quoted you like I did here. Idiot. ___________________________ not all who wander are lost.
Parkins	Posted - 2007.10.12 17:53:00 - [220] any news on the mac client? is it any good? any flaws?
Torche Enflammee	Posted - 2007.10.14 00:45:00 - [221] For anyone who just CAN'T wait - I installed the CrossOver demo (30-day) and downloaded the full EVE client for Windows. It plays (almost) flawlessly. The only thing I've noticed is some flashing of the sun, but it's not too bad. I play it fullscreen with no issues. On my iMac. At 1600x1050... It's sweet. The CrossOver demo can be found here: www.codeweavers.com/products/download_trial_macosx/ ~ Torche
RealEchnaton	Posted - 2007.10.14 15:52:00 - [222] Originally by: Torche Enflammee For anyone who just CAN'T wait - I installed the CrossOver demo (30-day) and downloaded the full EVE client for Windows. It plays (almost) flawlessly. The only thing I've noticed is some flashing of the sun, but it's not too bad. I play it fullscreen with no issues. On my iMac. At 1600x1050... It's sweet. The CrossOver demo can be found here: www.codeweavers.com/products/download_trial_macosx/ ~ Torche I test the same 2 month above, but Sound don't work. Work it now ? (testversion is running out) realechnaton
Dors Venabily	Posted - 2007.10.24 06:36:00 - [223] Edited by: Dors Venabily on 24/10/2007 06:38:01 /signed I so hope it will come soon only reson i keep XP on my computer is EVE nothing else I have 24 inch iMac and it runs good but native OS X client is the way to go. THX CCP
Navick	Posted - 2007.11.04 02:10:00 - [224] Edited by: Navick on 04/11/2007 02:11:54 Originally by: damicatz Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker no need anymore since MACs can now dualboot windows No point in polluting a Mac with that. People buy Macs to use Mac OS not Windows. ...Unless you're one of the thousands of Mac users who like to use their Mac for all the things a Mac is awesome at, AND be able to play games on it too. The 256mb graphics card in my MacBook Pro wasn't put there to make iTunes look prettier. "A" for effort, though.
Chiz	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:50:00 - [225] Edited by: Chiz on 04/11/2007 19:50:07 Looks like things with cider are moving along. Eve is now listed in the games list, no links for play as of yet :( Transgaming And a new news article at mentions "coming weeks" hmm. Mac world article
VaderDSL Caldari Personal Vendetta	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:43:00 - [226] It runs well FPS are maybe 20% down on Eve on Bootcamp but for the first major release, it looks quite good! Not really had much time to do any testing yet apart from a quick romp round hi sec belts killing frigates.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2007.11.04 22:48:00 - [227] November 6 in Revelations 2.3. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Torche Enflammee	Posted - 2007.11.17 02:51:00 - [228] The New EVE client for Mac OSX works GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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