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MACTEP	Posted - 2006.04.09 13:53:00 - [1] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=321118 "If RA are finding that they have no real friends " Elvish what do you know about our friends ?If you saw them you would sit at the station until local ll be clear. "finally put RA to bed" Omg little boy do you understand, what you are talking about? we lost our regions(except cache) couse : 1.One commander-donkey lost 9 dreads and nobody knows who it was ... 2.couse sbm cant to count up how many moons in system and how many poses needs 3.we all are playing for fun....for many pilots it s too boring to stay in one system during long time and defend it ) that we lost soveregnty in m53 it was like 1st april joke....nobody knows how it happened I don t see any problem that we lost our regions......mb we ll lose some miners or smbelse.....but anyway RA had about 200-300 pvp players (in diffrient region and diffrient time) and they ll stay in RA..... RA=1600 lol ) half of them alts so we have 800 about 20% - people which don t play eve for a long time (also agent runners \ noobs) so realy we have about 600-700maximum (400-500minimun) players (talking in different languages and playing at different times) 600-700 eve players it s not 600-700 pvp pilots... that we can not collect blob against 4 alliances I think it s not so terrible. -lv- -v- kos chimp mb smb going to help them? to create new -5- lol ) it will looks like 10(100) members of these alliances trying to catch 1(10) members of RA ....and on the next day when they ll try to fly in their "new" or old regions they ll die to die and die -4- no bad coalition so why did we start war... 1.-v- we were at war with them from old times....now it s new -v- stronger and collected than before.... we could not conclude nap with them because feared treachery in future.. respect to them and to LD -v- ll live until have so lots of commanders.... 2.-lv- we could not conclude nap with them because they wanted Insmother which we could not give them anyway.... and many pilots thought that shinra ll attack our soon..... respect to them nice gangs nice organisation... 3.-chimp- we did not nap with them couse they were noobs( and most of them are :) ) anyway respect to them for assiduousness (I hope this that word which I want to say ) 4. -kos- this in general homeless..haulers \ low minerals miners ))) no respect no nap ) "guys who is reading it i think your russian not better my english )))) "(of couse if you not russian)
Pepperami	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:13:00 - [2] Good post mactep. That's all I wanted to say [Art of War][- V -]
HeadHunta II	Posted - 2006.04.09 14:16:00 - [3] Good post. Tbh, this is the first post (at least of those i read before) filled with sober facts and opinions and not meant to offend the enemys. Also no flame or propaganda like: "Russians never surrender" "They have so much cash, everyone of RA can build 10 Dreads alone" and the rest of the blah blah-talk, nothing to do with the meaning of topics. I mean it can be so easy to talk "normal" or? I know have a better understanding of things, thx Mactep. I hope everyone reading this thread and wants to reply, will do it same way...quote mactep¦s words without flaming or counting their own victory¦s. "-V- Vice President" "-V- Minister of Foreign affairs" "CEO Ascendancy-Inc."
Tassi	Posted - 2006.04.09 16:24:00 - [4] Edited by: Tassi on 09/04/2006 16:24:36 Very well written MACTEP. Yes the allies have more pilots than RA, no wonder that you can't keep up with this pressure, especially if you control 5 or more regions! But TBFH it makes me sad that the behemoth Red Alliance could lose its 0.0 grip because of some spies offlining POS's. POS wars are indeed ftl, get me back my station ping-pong! your english is better than my italian and I studied that for 5 years
Elvish Presley	Posted - 2006.04.09 17:06:00 - [5] Glad to see that RA aren't too disheartened by the recent turn of events. And there was me thinking that stiff upper lip was a purely British trait - obviously they still have some exports Nice also to see MACTEP wasting time on the forums, rather than lurking in low sec looking for unwary hauler pilots he can kill for no better reason than they are there. Obviously if it takes 10 to 1 odds for CHIMP to be any threat , you have nothing to worry about have you? A couple of nights mining in Cache and you'll be back on your feet and ready to retake what you've lost no doubt? Think you may have your work cut out to be honest, but what do I know As for playing for fun, yup, that's what most of us are here for. I have had lots of fun this month anticipating the imminent demise of one of EVE's most despised bunch of bandits and vanishing fleet expertsDon't bother to deny it, anyone who has fought RA knows the truth. Personally, I'm not sure if I believe the rumours about the use RA puts it's isk to, but I find myself hoping that they are true, because if so this is really going to hurt. You and most of your alliance, with a very few notable exceptions, are bandits and expoliters and deserve everything that is coming your way. Alas; my cowardly inclination means that I will not personally be participating in your downgrading to "also rans" but I shall be watching with interest. Obviously I have an axe to grind here, and my opinion is less than unbiased, but i think you'll find that it is shared by a large section of the EVE community at large. And yes; your English is far better thanEVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums
Elvish Presley	Posted - 2006.04.09 17:06:00 - [6] Glad to see that RA aren't too disheartened by the recent turn of events. And there was me thinking that stiff upper lip was a purely British trait - obviously they still have some exports Nice also to see MACTEP wasting time on the forums, rather than lurking in low sec looking for unwary hauler pilots he can kill for no better reason than they are there. Obviously if it takes 10 to 1 odds for CHIMP to be any threat , you have nothing to worry about have you? A couple of nights mining in Cache and you'll be back on your feet and ready to retake what you've lost no doubt? Think you may have your work cut out to be honest, but what do I know As for playing for fun, yup, that's what most of us are here for. I have had lots of fun this month anticipating the imminent demise of one of EVE's most despised bunch of bandits and vanishing fleet expertsDon't bother to deny it, anyone who has fought RA knows the truth. Personally, I'm not sure if I believe the rumours about the use RA puts it's isk to, but I find myself hoping that they are true, because if so this is really going to hurt. You and most of your alliance, with a very few notable exceptions, are bandits and expoliters and deserve everything that is coming your way. Alas; my cowardly inclination means that I will not personally be participating in your downgrading to "also rans" but I shall be watching with interest. Obviously I have an axe to grind here, and my opinion is less than unbiased, but i think you'll find that it is shared by a large section of the EVE community at large. And yes; your English is far better than my Russian. I hope that will be some consolation to you in the long, dark nights ahead as the sun sets for the last time on your little empire; at least you'll be able to properly understand what people are laughing about. Rest In Pieces RA; it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys. Wise men say, only n00bs rush in. Regards, Elvish
Foomanshoe	Posted - 2006.04.09 17:26:00 - [7] Did a reply to another thread really need a whole new thread? Couldnt the reply button have sufficed? You know, like what im doing now? _______________________________________________ Deadspace For Dead space! Originally by: Oveur To the nerfmobile!
Joycalyn	Posted - 2006.04.09 18:19:00 - [8] Good Stuff MACTEP. We will see if the community can hold off the flames and maybe RA will make more announcement posts in the future. Nope.. too late ^(see above) .
awebon	Posted - 2006.04.09 19:01:00 - [9] Originally by: MACTEP Edited by: MACTEP on 09/04/2006 13:54:27 4. -kos- this in general homeless..haulers \ low minerals miners ))) no respect no nap ) assumption that we are jus mere miners/haulers is the mother of all **** up's right there! people will tell you that we fight jus as much and sometimes even more, jus because we are a kinda brand new alliance that we havent made a name for ourselves at the moment. respect works both ways, we (KOS) respect anyone, who deserves it, up until this post was made, now from where i stand you jus lost my respect. see you in space peace awe
Haldane IV	Posted - 2006.04.09 19:34:00 - [10] An interesting insight into how "the other side" saw things. Thanks MACTEP. "Assiduous" is indeed exactly the word I would use to describe how my Alliance went about our business.

Fargas	Posted - 2006.04.09 19:51:00 - [11] 2 kos well afaik it was demogod's deal with lv - kos leaving omist and goes to wc/sp/insm it is clear to anyone having brains that your role in this - cannon fodder you all are being used by lv and demogod. klik, .... davno pora
awebon	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Fargas 2 kos well afaik it was demogod's deal with lv - kos leaving omist and goes to wc/sp/insm it is clear to anyone having brains that your role in this - cannon fodder you all are being used by lv and demogod. i am not LV's nor am i demogod's cannon fodder, we moved to wicked creek and have established ourselves there, that comment my friend was unjustified
Fargas	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:21:00 - [13] lol hey dudes, i wanna have your region, but dont worry, you can have my blessings if you'll go to fight my enemyes this is total crap do you feel a finger in your a$$ ? but hands are right here =) klik, .... davno pora
Kalppis	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:33:00 - [14] Nice post, thank you MACTEP. I'm looking ahead for more similar posts :)
Stormhold	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Stormhold on 09/04/2006 20:43:20 Finally an RA post without pointless boasting, actually a very good post. Thanks for this one, MACTEP. I have to agree that CHIMP has a lot of unexpirienced pilots (but many more expirienced ones too), but then again, action is probably the best way to teach them (well, my pvp in EVE really kicked off during the start of the war with RA, so was/is for me too) how to fight Many people really really really pointlesly think RA is down way more than it really is and smack it. Even if RA would mostly dissapear from the political map thingie it most probably wouldn't mean mean it's dead. Actually I've recently seen more RA pvp activity than last few months :) Hope to see you and other RA/friends in the space <3
Amerame	Posted - 2006.04.09 20:52:00 - [16] Edited by: Amerame on 09/04/2006 20:53:17 Originally by: awebon Originally by: Fargas 2 kos well afaik it was demogod's deal with lv - kos leaving omist and goes to wc/sp/insm it is clear to anyone having brains that your role in this - cannon fodder you all are being used by lv and demogod. i am not LV's nor am i demogod's cannon fodder, we moved to wicked creek and have established ourselves there, that comment my friend was unjustified You were given that region, you did nothing to take it, but bring a few poses once V LV & co did the job. You are completely unable to defend it, you cannot even defend yourself against very small sized gang. You're just being used as cannon fodder and PoSes runner slaves. I feel sorry for you, you obviously don't have enough fighting experience nor funds to fight against the RA/FF-A gangs infestation in wicked creek, and are not getting any help to secure your space from your allies. Anyway XIII has had a lot of fun in WC and you guys sure have improved some in the last few weeks, but there is still a long way before you can be recognized as a serious military power, since you pretty much never even had enough people to face a single RA corporation.
gfgffdghgghg	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:09:00 - [17] CHIMP = noobs ?, CHIMP took detorid back from RA solo without any help from the other alliances. So you lost your region to a bunch of noobs i guess
Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:43:00 - [18] Originally by: gfgffdghgghg CHIMP took detorid back from RA solo without any help from the other alliances That may or may not be true - all your allies may not have helped you directly, but by fighting us at the same time we were fighting you they 'helped' you indirectly. Simple fact. Not smack, but the first time you tried to take Detorid you got run out of there within a few weeks. The only thing different the second time was that we were also fighting 3-5 other Alliances at the same time. Anyway, who cares.
cflux	Posted - 2006.04.09 21:54:00 - [19] Edited by: cflux on 09/04/2006 21:56:10 Edited by: cflux on 09/04/2006 21:55:29 Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil That may or may not be true - all your allies may not have helped you directly, but by fighting us at the same time we were fighting you they 'helped' you indirectly. Simple fact. Not smack, but the first time you tried to take Detorid you got run out of there within a few weeks. The only thing different the second time was that we were also fighting 3-5 other Alliances at the same time. Anyway, who cares. LV was not even formed when we took controll of O-W in Detorid. -V- war was against RA had not started. We were very much alone at that point. By the time when we took DG from RA, LV was formed. Don't twist the history books please. Correct reason might be that you didn't care for Detorid, but saying that only thing different second time was your "fight" against other alliances is BS. Our first attempt on detorid was basicly putting up small & medium unarmed POS's and see how you react. Second time we came in with system lockdown + alot of large guns + hella amount of logistics. So your comment regarding that second time you were fighting 3-5 alliances is wrong. We might have more inexperienced pilots than LV or V, but we sure still have very good load of experienced players. We try hard and we have good FC's that lead us. I think the logistic and protection effort where we took O-W and DG, followed by other station systems kinda proves that. Chimps throw alot of poo in their own way. -- Chimaera Pact - Monkey say, Monkey do.
HeadHunta II	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:04:00 - [20] Originally by: Amerame Edited by: Amerame on 09/04/2006 20:53:17 Originally by: awebon Originally by: Fargas 2 kos well afaik it was demogod's deal with lv - kos leaving omist and goes to wc/sp/insm it is clear to anyone having brains that your role in this - cannon fodder you all are being used by lv and demogod. i am not LV's nor am i demogod's cannon fodder, we moved to wicked creek and have established ourselves there, that comment my friend was unjustified You were given that region, you did nothing to take it, but bring a few poses once V LV & co did the job. You are completely unable to defend it, you cannot even defend yourself against very small sized gang. You're just being used as cannon fodder and PoSes runner slaves. I feel sorry for you, you obviously don't have enough fighting experience nor funds to fight against the RA/FF-A gangs infestation in wicked creek, and are not getting any help to secure your space from your allies. Anyway XIII has had a lot of fun in WC and you guys sure have improved some in the last few weeks, but there is still a long way before you can be recognized as a serious military power, since you pretty much never even had enough people to face a single RA corporation. At least for V i can say: We had nothing to do with taking over Wicked Creek, that was KOS.We made it harder for RA to counter attack Wicked Creek again, since they had to fight on all fronts. Do not underestimate KOS, what they cant do with pvp they can do in logistics. And they are still on it to form a pvp part. No need to smack em down here. And about not helping them, we help them and they help us. If this is a try to put a wedge between the allies forces again...forget it. It wont work "-V- Vice President" "-V- Minister of Foreign affairs" "CEO Ascendancy-Inc."

Amerame	Posted - 2006.04.09 22:13:00 - [21] Originally by: MACTEP 4. -kos- this in general homeless..haulers \ low minerals miners ))) no respect no nap I don't think there is any ambiguity there.
Light Darkness	Posted - 2006.04.09 23:03:00 - [22] /me salutes to this post .o> MacTep 4tw P.S.: Your english is better then mine. Regards /LD -V-President -V-Fleet Command home.foni.net/~markusheinen/president.jpg[/img] Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes
Zigadenus	Posted - 2006.04.09 23:21:00 - [23] We love you Mactep. Your English is just fine. Respect. See you in space. ________________________________________________ Kyle > Why do you have to ask me all these complicated questions? Zerodragon > Dude, IÆm trying to save your setup from complete suckage.
IamBen	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:10:00 - [24] Maccy, you so funny
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.10 00:40:00 - [25] The only thing wrong with what you have writtain (and not the way it is writtain) is that it shows that the RA have consistantly underestimated it's opponants. There could have been 2 or 3 times when you guys could have got the upper hand on one or more of the forces against you (like CHIMP in Detorid before all the others joined in or after the collalition forces lost 3 dreads in WC) but nothing seemed to happen, maybe it's down to the RA leadership or too many cearbears not wanting to stop plexing for a week to camp a system with enermies in. Whatever the reasons it no longer really matters now keep fighting, we will.
Evil Thug	Posted - 2006.04.10 06:33:00 - [26] newbs ----------------------------------------------- Logged in a system, next to you =)
Nebba Kenezzer	Posted - 2006.04.10 07:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Evil Thug newbs where's my lumpkin? Nebba - The Vocal Majority
Kriger	Posted - 2006.04.10 10:02:00 - [28] kudos Mactep... nice to see a clean sober post from a respected RA member. ½ [ITFB] + ½ Krigers GFX Shop +
DeWieKat	Posted - 2006.04.10 13:24:00 - [29] funny, reading awebons posts took me me back to those day when we had our vacation in omist. kos - u guys couldnt defend your region then, seems like u still cant do it now. any alliance that cannot defend its space self sufficiently does not deserve to live in 0.0 regards to RA/Lv/ -V- dew.
Aariss	Posted - 2006.04.10 15:45:00 - [30] I don't post on these forums cuz alot turn into flames but i must say MACTEP has done a wonderful job of summerizing the political structure in the eyes of a RA pilot that is also a very active pilot in pvp ... well done. Hope to see you in my cargo hold soon.. fly safe and into my lasers :P Some people are like slinkies... good for nothing but fun to push down the stairs

Velios	Posted - 2006.04.10 16:03:00 - [31] If everyone in RA could fight like mactep the south would be very different place today. Respect. M.Corp BPC Packages
Fargas	Posted - 2006.04.10 17:57:00 - [32] if everyone in lv could fight like enslaver... klik, .... davno pora
Uggster	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Fargas if everyone in lv could fight like enslaver... And blob you with an alt army ?
balrog	Posted - 2006.04.10 18:27:00 - [34] Enslaver`s economy ftw tbh
Jonaswpl	Posted - 2006.04.10 22:19:00 - [35] First of all, kudos to you MACTEP for a good post. You tried your best to put your point across. MACTEP, let me share with you my point of view on this whole ordeal. During these past few months RA lost their space because LV/V/CHIMP/KOS put their collective minds together and took away the regions with force. I remember when RA members would post how they thought we were a joke and how RA would never surrender. Well, maybe you have not surrendered but RA sure did not make it difficult for us. We lost some battles and RA did thwart off their enemies from setting up POSs but we prevailed. I understand RA is fighting multiple alliances but RA is not alone either. Of course, other issues come into play. MACTEP, you also mention "we all are playing for fun....for many pilots it s too boring to stay in one system during long time and defend it." Sometimes we all have to do something that we do not like doing. I do not like defending stations nor do I like shooting POSs but I do it because it is my duty. I do it because I believe in my leaders and I do it because I want to help anyway I can. I believe the more you give, the more you get in return. Hassis and Cortak seem to have taken a leave of absence. I was told Hassis is now playing WoW and when Cortak logs on he doesn't stay on for very long. I was in RA and I know both Hassis and Cortak were good leaders because I flew alongside them during many ops. I am sure it must have hurt RA to see them depart. Had Hassis been rallying the troops maybe the situation would be different. Who knows. I do not hate RA. I just dislike select few RA corps who talk trash in local while they ***** the complex in 77S everyday instead of helping RA defend their regions or who hide in Curse instead of helping Ghosts of Retribution secure M53. There are other instances as well. I trash talk in local as well escpecially if someone in RA make disparaging remarks regarding Shinra. It is only natural. I am defending what I believe in. While we were in your regions setting up POSs and conquering stations, these individuals were too busy caring about themselves. To Amerame: You have no right to say anything regarding KOS or any other issues regarding this war. I believe Section XIII have not contributed alot to RA. I am not denying the fact that Section XIII have some good pvpers nor am I denying the fact that they have worked together in the past with other RA corporations to fight us. I am simply pointing out the fact that Section XIII would rather carebear in QFEW than be more of a presence on the battlefield and this has been the case as of late. There have been multiples instances when I have entered QFEW only to find members doing level 4 missions while huge enemy fleets were roaming about. Other RA corporations were working together - such as CWRA - to try and fend us off. Deny it all you want but this is the perception of alot of members in LV. I expect to be flamed by a few Section 13 members because of what I have written but know this. I have always held Robapin and RadialBlur and a few others (sorry if I did not mention your name) with upmost respect. I flew with you guys before and I enjoyed pvping with you guys even though I was a noob back then. Actually I am still a noob. The rest of the Section XIII guys who do nothing but talk trash in local, honestly you suck. I apologize but there is no better way to say it. Instead of fighting, these members would rather spam local. Don't get me wrong. I also talked trash but after everything was said and done, we would be shooting down your fellow RA members a few jumps away while Section 13 would be safespotted and accuse us of blobbing. The language barrier can pose a problem but it can be done. I have seen CWRA form up with Russian players and they seem to do just fine. Also, the language barrier does not prevent anyone from helping GHOST and RA secure M53. So I ask Section XIII, what have you done for RA lately? Karma Police
Angry Dan	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:38:00 - [36] Well done for a well thought out and competent reply. If anyone happens to know where we can find this evish presley tard, please let me know, I fancy podding him back to the stone age. ++++++++++++++++++++ Founder member of the Huzzah Federation. Remember, the grass is greener on our side of the fence Widowmakers director Fear my kneepads of allure!
Aeon Yakati	Posted - 2006.04.10 23:40:00 - [37] Originally by: Jonaswpl The language barrier can pose a problem but it can be done. I have seen CWRA form up with Russian players and they seem to do just fine. Also, the language barrier does not prevent anyone from helping GHOST and RA secure M53. So I ask Section XIII, what have you done for RA lately? I share this perception. While I have no doubts they have some decent PVP'ers, they are mostly spotted in QQ3 and other complexes, or doing missions in Q-FEW rather than helping out their comrades on the battlefield. That said, it is surprising to see that some of the harsher words directed towards the coalition originate from RAT. and XIII members. On topic again, good post MACTEP. Though as much as you like to play the underdog here, don't forget that it's the circumstances that you created is what brought your enemies together. At one point both LV and -V- both wanted a NAP with RA but you basically said no way, and what you see now is the result of that. And then there's also your habbit of totally denying the existance of ghost, cc, ff-a etc in your numbercount
Archonon	Posted - 2006.04.11 00:27:00 - [38] Edited by: Archonon on 11/04/2006 00:30:09 We don't care about ur opinion jonas, killboard talks for us and u're on it. Stop smacktalk and learn about pvp. u're pathetic argument in order to destabilize RA will be an echec again. All u prove is ur unabilities to fight us. Divide & conquer _______________________ XIII > 1vs1 ? -LV- > yeah wait 2 min, 1 -v- 1 Kos 1 Chimp 1 MC are on the way XIII > Wtf ?? -LV- > Ohh u run !! Noobish RA !! %%&&* russian !! XIII > i'm french m8 .
Amerame	Posted - 2006.04.11 00:29:00 - [39] Edited by: Amerame on 11/04/2006 00:30:26 Yep, I admit Section XIII is just a bunch of carebears running missions all day long, and smacktalking enemies from ubersafe whenever someone enter QFE. I bow to Shinra, the never ever smacktalking corporation, that always engage enemies regardless of the odds. If section XIII enter your system it's probably for some kind of mining op, or mission running, please don't mind us and don't shoot us. And please, oh please don't ever come back camping qfe with your almighty corporation. /kneel Oh btw Section XIII destroyed 25% of all the Shinra bses RA ever destroyed, well I guess those were just mistarget, we meant to shoot some NPC and oops. Damn wasted ammos. Though you have a point, our attendancy to large scale RA operation is much lower than some other corporation, like CWRA, UAI, RUSSO, FSP-B ... I rather see us as privateers of the RA than anything else. Though this is just my point of view, don't quote me as any kind of official XIII statement.
Jonaswpl	Posted - 2006.04.11 00:53:00 - [40] Nowhere in my post was I trying to destablize RA. Thank you to the both of you for proving to everyone what I was trying to portray. Concerning the killboards: At least we post our losses and don't worry I came prepared; some members of LV have not posted their losses. 99% of the time RA do not post their losses. I guess you might say "Well we are Section XIII and we post ours, we do not care about the rest of the alliance." We know you don't. Karma Police

Amerame	Posted - 2006.04.11 01:01:00 - [41] Edited by: Amerame on 11/04/2006 01:03:03 Originally by: Jonaswpl Nowhere in my post was I trying to destablize RA. Thank you to the both of you for proving to everyone what I was trying to portray. Concerning the killboards: At least we post our losses and don't worry I came prepared; some members of LV have not posted their losses. 99% of the time RA do not post their losses. I guess you might say "Well we are Section XIII and we post ours, we do not care about the rest of the alliance." We know you don't. I'm not talking about losses I'm talking about kills, we don't really care about what we lose, we just care about how much we kill, we'll care about our loses when we can't fit T2 mods on our BS and use T2 cruisers, and it's not like it's going to happen tomorow.
Jonaswpl	Posted - 2006.04.11 01:32:00 - [42] Fair enough Amerame. Fair enough. Karma Police
putukas	Posted - 2006.04.11 19:57:00 - [43] Edited by: putukas on 11/04/2006 19:57:24 dont know about other V members but i like to fight against section XIII imo its one of the best RA¦s corp to fight with. Havent seen them lately but when i did atleast they stood up and fight unlike many, many i mean many others. so gg and gl section XIII
Iberi	Posted - 2006.04.11 20:27:00 - [44] I do not believe... Anyway, gratz, RA, you did learn smth about social interaction.
Steven McWayne	Posted - 2006.04.12 00:02:00 - [45] Quote: Also, the language barrier does not prevent anyone from helping GHOST and RA secure M53. Arr its hard with a Russian wordbook beside the pust to talk key -__-. But if Ra didnt show more Military peeps in branch it will ends like pa :/
Polydectes	Posted - 2006.04.13 01:34:00 - [46] Good post mactep, that about sums it up. Originally by: Jonaswpl The language barrier can pose a problem but it can be done. I have seen CWRA form up with Russian players and they seem to do just fine. If you heard a recording of our fleet ops in teamspeak you would laugh your ass off. One time we had a commander that did speak english, but everytime he would call a target we couldnt understand how he was pronouncing the name. Ps - when flying with Russians, if hear blyett, or chort, it means warp out. ------------------------------------------------- Violence is Golden
Touk	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:20:00 - [47] Originally by: Archonon Edited by: Archonon on 11/04/2006 00:30:09 We don't care about ur opinion jonas, killboard talks for us and u're on it. Stop smacktalk and learn about pvp. u're pathetic argument in order to destabilize RA will be an echec again. All u prove is ur unabilities to fight us. Divide & conquer Have you been living under a rock for the past few months.....in case you had not noticed RA now live in NPC station, empire and seiged and camped cache stations (when they own them) We have learnt how to fight you....we have also learnt how to beat you. Im not gonna make the assumption that RA is dead....but i can understand how it would seem like it to an outsider. "Thats its percy....if all else fails blind optimism will get you through"
Exaali Vendraxxil	Posted - 2006.04.13 16:06:00 - [48] Originally by: Touk in case you had not noticed RA now live in NPC station, empire and seiged and camped cache stations (when they own them) -V- has lived in NPC stations the entire time they've been in Great Wildlands.. And this is automatically a bad thing because..? Quite frankly, before -V- had the other 3-4 alliances as allies this gave them an advantage early on since they didn't have to worry about defending anything.. Originally by: Touk We have learnt how to fight you....we have also learnt how to beat you. Numbers 4tw! Originally by: Touk I'm not gonna make the assumption that RA is dead RA has been living in the Southeast of EVE since the collapse of CA. They're not going anywhere. Stations or no stations, the assumption that RA is going to just give up, throw in the towel, and go live in empire is just wishful thinking. If anything, not having to worry about defense quite so much means the ~1500 members of RA can once again focus on offense. See ya in space, Touk..
WarRages	Posted - 2006.04.13 17:37:00 - [49] Yep that just about sums it up nice work MACTEP!!!! Wait a minute... was that english, you lied to me MAC!!!! Guess it's time to go back being dead now IT'S BETTER TO BURN OUT......... ..........THEN FADE AWAY!!!!
Karina Harington	Posted - 2006.04.13 17:47:00 - [50] Originally by: WarRages Guess it's time to go back being dead now Remember, they can't kill you if you're dead

Beyond Horizon	Posted - 2006.04.14 00:19:00 - [51] Originally by: cflux Edited by: cflux on 09/04/2006 21:56:10 Edited by: cflux on 09/04/2006 21:55:29 Originally by: Exaali Vendraxxil That may or may not be true - all your allies may not have helped you directly, but by fighting us at the same time we were fighting you they 'helped' you indirectly. Simple fact. Not smack, but the first time you tried to take Detorid you got run out of there within a few weeks. The only thing different the second time was that we were also fighting 3-5 other Alliances at the same time. Anyway, who cares. LV was not even formed when we took controll of O-W in Detorid. -V- war was against RA had not started. We were very much alone at that point. By the time when we took DG from RA, LV was formed. Don't twist the history books please. You don't need alliance ticker to fly with your friends. LV started negotiations with RA under -5- flag, but claiming they were a new independent alliance. Many times -v- stated that skirmish fights with RA was a regular event before the "official War" started, the semi-war was under way already back then. Noone is twisting anything, you just see the situation from a point where you like it more.
Beyond Horizon	Posted - 2006.04.14 00:30:00 - [52] Originally by: WarRages Yep that just about sums it up nice work MACTEP!!!! Wait a minute... was that english, you lied to me MAC!!!! It was a pleasent surprise to see MACTEP writing in English for me too. Usually he never does that ^_^
lazyb22	Posted - 2006.04.14 05:34:00 - [53] Ya MACTEP it is and always will be a pleasure fighting you. As much as I hate you I respect you as much the same. Much respect to you and RA. Warrages that goes to you as well. Its been fun!! I for one would enjoy seeing you come back but... with a much different outlook. Respect Lazyb22 Director M. Corp LV Signature removed - File size too large.Laurelin
Haldane IV	Posted - 2006.04.14 06:12:00 - [54] CHIMP wereon our own when we made the second (successful) attempt to take OW. We were not assisting or being assisted by our current allies then, and I believe that RA were not at that time so (seriously) distracted by war with Veritas so much that they could not, if they had been bothered, have made a massive counter-attack in OW. Many CHIMPS suspect that RA were never really bothered about keeping OW and DG, other than as somewhere they could install sponsored Corps and make money from them. We did hear a rumour that non-RA corps living in the area were paying RA per month to keep sovereignty for them and for docking rights at OW and DG, and were getting low on funds (our raiding presumably hindered their ratting and mining). Shortly before our (2nd) attack we also heard a rumour (quite possibly completely false)that a large Corp were lining up to move to Detorid as an RA sponsored Corp - which was one reason for the timing of our attack.
Rover Vitesse	Posted - 2006.04.14 11:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Haldane IV CHIMP wereon our own when we made the second (successful) attempt to take OW. We were not assisting or being assisted by our current allies then, and I believe that RA were not at that time so (seriously) distracted by war with Veritas so much that they could not, if they had been bothered, have made a massive counter-attack in OW. Many CHIMPS suspect that RA were never really bothered about keeping OW and DG, other than as somewhere they could install sponsored Corps and make money from them. We did hear a rumour that non-RA corps living in the area were paying RA per month to keep sovereignty for them and for docking rights at OW and DG, and were getting low on funds (our raiding presumably hindered their ratting and mining). Shortly before our (2nd) attack we also heard a rumour (quite possibly completely false)that a large Corp were lining up to move to Detorid as an RA sponsored Corp - which was one reason for the timing of our attack. FSA were paying 1b per week for RA to keep DG and OW open for them. We stopped FSA making ISK, RA didn't get paid, and I guess this was the point when they pulled the plug. I think FSA still have a few unpaid bills. We took 0-W778 and DG-8VJ without any assistance from outside CHIMP. At the time, 0-G8NO was closer to where LV were moving in, we weren't using the space down there, so when LV asked if they could have the station, we were quite happy to cement our relationship with our new allies by giving them the station in 0-G8NO. We even had a combined fleet of CHIMP and LV shooting the station after our combined fleet had took down an RA POS. (I wanted to dock fast and grab an office.) That was the first time I remember CHIMP fighting in a mixed fleet. We then signed a treaty with V and LV, and KOS joined a little later. The exact timings get a little hazy, we've been fighting since November, I'm sure Haldane ^^, the Crisis Corp historian is better on the exact dates. Rovers Chronicles
Kaleeb	Posted - 2006.04.16 08:55:00 - [56] Originally by: Velios If everyone in RA could fight like mactep the south would be very different place today. Respect. QFT MACTEP is one nasty geddon pilot
Daroh	Posted - 2006.04.16 12:04:00 - [57] RA always lived in NPC stations, Agil, Konora, Curse region stations...that is why I dont care about regions. Do i need regions more then i need targets? No, i dont think so. I can say that for ME (and i think for all RA pvp pilots) no regions is not a reason to surrender, but a reason to fight. I like to think about RA as an alliance of ppl who just like to fight, nothing more nothing less. And our friends are thouse who like to fight. If someone wanna become our friend they should like to fight for fun and dont cry about undefended regions and enemies in their belts near arconor asteroid. PS nice post MACTEP
Knat	Posted - 2006.04.16 12:07:00 - [58] Good posting MACTEP - Respect !
Ace Frehley	Posted - 2006.04.16 17:11:00 - [59] Edited by: Ace Frehley on 16/04/2006 17:13:52 just wanna add: "Jag e naken" (for ya all no swedishtalker it means "I¦m nude" and it is C-CP war roar ) if you see that in local, be prepeard for a suiside mooningraid right in the center of your fleet, so don¦t turn ya back against me Btw i have cut down my swdish smacking in local, even with my alt, thank you ra for helping me cure for that bad habbit Text must be in english - Laqum http://img430.imageshack.us/img430/2280/acebar4xc.jpg Signature filesize exceeds max limit of 24000 bytes and your signature is inappropriate for these forums. Mail us if you have questions -Eldo Davip
G'ulSera	Posted - 2006.04.16 18:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Ace Frehley Edited by: Ace Frehley on 16/04/2006 17:13:52 just wanna add: "Jag e naken" (for ya all no swedishtalker it means "I¦m nude" and it is C-CP war roar ) if you see that in local, be prepeard for a suiside mooningraid right in the center of your fleet, so don¦t turn ya back against me Btw i have cut down my swdish smacking in local, even with my alt, thank you ra for helping me cure for that bad habbit Ace fix your damn sig :p But nice post from RA... luckily the smack has diminished a lot and a lot of fun is had instead... For Blood and Honour The difference between a killer and a soldier is a question of loyalty

Basilii	Posted - 2006.04.16 22:19:00 - [61] heh i hate when people talk bull**** when they dont know the situation . if you look at the kill board you will probably see section XIII not 1 time and not 2 . that bumch of complex whoring and npc hunters oh and misions runers did lots of great things for ra. we respect them for that . you see again as archonon said looks like you cant fight red wihtout trying to split it up in nationalitys. . (lame) MACTEP good post respect for that .
Karina Harington	Posted - 2006.04.16 22:27:00 - [62] Yeah, Section XIII never do anything but mission/complex ***** whatsoever
Myal Terego	Posted - 2006.04.21 02:28:00 - [63] Notice there is a shortage of V tags on that killboard hehe. Come play with the big boys if you want to chest beat.
Fantome	Posted - 2006.04.23 12:11:00 - [64] Nice post mactep. As french's corps are going toward new adventures ( some official post should speack about it soon) i want to say it was a great honour and a pleasure to be in RED Alliance and i hope we will stay friendly each other. For our ennemies, we have got many fun with most of you : most of people are fair players and the 1% of smaltalkers must not be us forget it. Special word for Shadows Company, our best ennemies , we hurted you many time but i've never seen any bad word in local, it was a pleasure to fight against you. Farewell to you all.. Signed : Fantome. Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum.
c0rn1	Posted - 2006.04.24 05:20:00 - [65] I wish all of you Section XIII and friends in Tau Ceti all the best on your new ways. You're honorable PvPers and it was always a pleasure to battle against you :) Enjoy your new alliance and good luck! Regards x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
HeadHunta II	Posted - 2006.04.25 17:13:00 - [66] What corn1 said "-V- Vice President" "-V- Minister of Foreign affairs" "CEO Nun Amun"
Corey Grim	Posted - 2006.04.26 01:17:00 - [67] Very good to see MAC posting here this kinda post. respect. Originally by: MACTEP 3.-chimp- we did not nap with them couse they were noobs( and most of them are :) ) anyway respect to them for assiduousness (I hope this that word which I want to say ) I want to make this question for pure interest, no bad words, no arguing, just pure interest: why did RA consider CHIMP as noobs back then? sure there was many new players in alliance but the corporations in CHIMP has quite long history. i was in ATUK when CHIMP formed and came back to FinFleet day or two after we had started the second invasion in detorid so im little "blacked out" what was RA¦s point of view. Also i do not believe detorid was handed "easily" to CHIMP but what i still wonder is that RA didnt face the full pressure for LV/-V- from that time but there was no full pressure thrown out from RA¦s side either (as far as i know) to any direction
Sarai Atvar	Posted - 2006.04.26 01:53:00 - [68] I'd like to give my personal best wishes to Section XIII, wherever they may go in EVE. Some of my best fights were against you all, and I always knew what was in store when cabotpq was in local. Good luck to you! ----------------- [ The Coreli Corporation Mainframe ]
Cmd Woodlouse	Posted - 2006.04.26 01:59:00 - [69] Originally by: DeWieKat any alliance that cannot defend its space self sufficiently does not deserve to live in 0.0 QFT worst are the ones boasting about their new gained territory though they only could get it via massive friendly help... --------------------------------
Stig Caldar	Posted - 2006.04.27 20:36:00 - [70] Good post - my respect to you Mactep.



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