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Smook
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2014.02.14 06:09:00 -
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I believe the below image fully encompasses the issues that some have with links.
http://imgur.com/tKcEfkY
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
913
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Posted - 2014.02.14 06:11:00 -
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LOL
In before lock.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Yuri Antollare
Justified Chaos
21
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Posted - 2014.02.14 06:35:00 -
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Because Atonement turns off their links when they fight me 6v1.
Right?
:) |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
314
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Posted - 2014.02.14 06:42:00 -
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ena is a home system people should expect links and whatever force they throw at you to get you out.
I must say when smooky and co come next door to fight us mr apple usually stays at home but we use links and as many bodies i can muster at the time... thats the way it is
9/10 for troll post tho GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Smook
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:21:00 -
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Yuri Antollare wrote:Because Atonement turns off their links when they fight me 6v1. Right? :)
Awww... come on Yuri... your ship will be ours either way... we just want to lessen the time you have to spend watching it blow up. We do it because we care.
Also, we are voting on your membership application and I will let you know how it turns out. So far, you have received very positive feedback. Yamcha7 is also joining. We look forward to flying with both of you! |
JuricM
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:34:00 -
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I'm hoping that application comes with his recon'yun partner! |
Charlie Firpol
Noob Mercs Monkeys with Guns.
119
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Posted - 2014.02.14 10:53:00 -
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I keep trowing derpcats at those Born-2-Kill guys in Enaluri but they just wont die! Nerf links! |
Pew Terror
Green Associates
79
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:40:00 -
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Links are cool as long as the linked dude doesnt start whining when he has to fight 1vs2 on grid. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
928
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:47:00 -
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I can believe you people would use links.
You are all dishonorable. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
God's Apples
Aunenen Civil Liberties Union
316
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:47:00 -
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Don't know who the hell ATONMENT are, but this seems like a pretty accurate description of Burtakas. |
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
928
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Posted - 2014.02.18 02:50:00 -
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God's Apples wrote:Don't know who the hell ATONMENT are, but this seems like a pretty accurate description of Burtakas.
I never heard of them either.
I assumed they were a Gallente alt corp by how well they seem to know Burtakas. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Greggles Midboss
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
25
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Posted - 2014.02.18 07:27:00 -
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Really need to stop using my links alt so I can start using my 2nd monitor for the forums. How did I only just see this lololol |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
823
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Posted - 2014.02.18 08:21:00 -
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Pew Terror wrote:Links are cool as long as the linked dude doesnt start whining when he has to fight 1vs2 on grid.
ill just put this here. o/ smook. |
X Gallentius
Justified Chaos
2039
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Posted - 2014.02.18 16:37:00 -
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked for personal attacks. |
Whim Aqayn
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
104
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Posted - 2014.02.18 17:20:00 -
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**** OP, but links are broken. |
Princess Nexxala
Quantum Cats Syndicate Samurai Pizza Cats
640
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Posted - 2014.02.18 18:10:00 -
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Lols, good stuff
Crosi Wesdo wrote:Pew Terror wrote:Links are cool as long as the linked dude doesnt start whining when he has to fight 1vs2 on grid. ill just put this here. o/ smook.
I'm CEO *****.
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IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
929
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Posted - 2014.02.18 21:12:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked for personal attacks.
Yeah same. I expected it to be gone by now. If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
3549
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Posted - 2014.02.18 22:26:00 -
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That's cute....
However, I personally believe links are too much. An offgrid ship, often operating under the safety of a deathstar POS, should not boost the ability of a fleet to the level it does.
Move them on grid, and they are peachy.
Also, I highly recommend making Command Processors a Rig! That will go a long way in balancing out combat capable link ships.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
825
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Posted - 2014.02.19 00:22:00 -
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Gizznitt Malikite wrote:That's cute.... However, I personally believe links are too much. An offgrid ship, often operating under the safety of a deathstar POS, should not boost the ability of a fleet to the level it does. Move them on grid, and they are peachy. Also, I highly recommend making Command Processors a Rig! That will go a long way in balancing out combat capable link ships.
Boosts are no more unfair than a person who can only fly a blaster atron fighting someone who is flying a dual web throax.
Dont dispair, aspire! |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1520
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Posted - 2014.02.19 01:54:00 -
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Solo with links...
vs.
Solo w/o links...
It's a personal preference but I have always found the latter much more rewarding. |
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Yuri Antollare
Justified Chaos
26
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Posted - 2014.02.19 04:44:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:That's cute.... However, I personally believe links are too much. An offgrid ship, often operating under the safety of a deathstar POS, should not boost the ability of a fleet to the level it does. Move them on grid, and they are peachy. Also, I highly recommend making Command Processors a Rig! That will go a long way in balancing out combat capable link ships. Boosts are no more unfair than a person who can only fly a blaster atron fighting someone who is flying a dual web throax. Dont dispair, aspire!
Yeah not really, in a game where a couple of % makes the difference, boosts don't 'lend you a hand' they completely break usual tactics and engagement profiles.
AB atron v LM condor, tought but with a decent atron pilot, slingshotting is a very strong possibility. However lend boosts to the condor and ... no, sorry, usual tactics available to 'good' pvpers break completely, try slingshotting someone staying at 30km doing 6km/s. Thats not an edge, thats 'pay for another account and break the game.'
I'm sure I need not go on with equivelant examples in the brawling/scram kite arena. People that leave links on for 1v1 T1 frigates are simply bads that likely suffered one too many humiliations early in their EvE days. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order Samurai Pizza Cats
825
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Posted - 2014.02.19 04:52:00 -
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Yuri Antollare wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:That's cute.... However, I personally believe links are too much. An offgrid ship, often operating under the safety of a deathstar POS, should not boost the ability of a fleet to the level it does. Move them on grid, and they are peachy. Also, I highly recommend making Command Processors a Rig! That will go a long way in balancing out combat capable link ships. Boosts are no more unfair than a person who can only fly a blaster atron fighting someone who is flying a dual web throax. Dont dispair, aspire! Yeah not really, in a game where a couple of % makes the difference, boosts don't 'lend you a hand' they completely break usual tactics and engagement profiles. AB atron v LM condor, tought but with a decent atron pilot, slingshotting is a very strong possibility. However lend boosts to the condor and ... no, sorry, usual tactics available to 'good' pvpers break completely, try slingshotting someone staying at 30km doing 6km/s. Thats not an edge, thats 'pay for another account and break the game.' I'm sure I need not go on with equivelant examples in the brawling/scram kite arena. People that leave links on for 1v1 T1 frigates are simply bads that likely suffered one too many humiliations early in their EvE days.
Armchair psychiatrist.
Only your perspective is broken, not the game. As often as i run into disgruntled pilots who fell into my web, i get pilots who i fell into their 'web' and used boosts to escape giving me props. Many of these pilots had boosts themselves and still deliver props for a fight well fought. Or they kill me.
I remember my vigilant dying to a 45 man battlecruiser hot-drop. You search for fair and balanced in a game that is and should be anything but.
EVE is not a 1v1 game. If that is the kind of fighting you value best you move to high sec and drop a can outside jita 4-4 or whatever the modern equivalent is. |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
930
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Posted - 2014.02.19 05:06:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Armchair psychiatrist.
Only your perspective is broken, not the game. As often as i run into disgruntled pilots who fell into my web, i get pilots who i fell into their 'web' and used boosts to escape giving me props. Many of these pilots had boosts themselves and still deliver props for a fight well fought. Or they kill me.
I remember my vigilant dying to a 45 man battlecruiser hot-drop. You search for fair and balanced in a game that is and should be anything but.
EVE is not a 1v1 game. If that is the kind of fighting you value best you move to high sec and drop a can outside jita 4-4 or whatever the modern equivalent is.
Expecting an unarranged fair fight in low-sec is really the epitome of stupidity. You will not find one from me, nor do i expect one from anyone else.
This ^ If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
ALUCARD 1208
Spiritus Draconis Sicarius Draconis
324
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Posted - 2014.02.19 06:39:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Armchair psychiatrist.
Only your perspective is broken, not the game. As often as i run into disgruntled pilots who fell into my web, i get pilots who i fell into their 'web' and used boosts to escape giving me props. Many of these pilots had boosts themselves and still deliver props for a fight well fought. Or they kill me.
I remember my vigilant dying to a 45 man battlecruiser hot-drop. You search for fair and balanced in a game that is and should be anything but.
EVE is not a 1v1 game. If that is the kind of fighting you value best you move to high sec and drop a can outside jita 4-4 or whatever the modern equivalent is.
Expecting an unarranged fair fight in low-sec is really the epitome of stupidity. You will not find one from me, nor do i expect one from anyone else.
This ^ +1
GÖÑ HIGH FIVES GÖÑ-á |
Smook
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
8
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Posted - 2014.02.19 07:10:00 -
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X Gallentius wrote:I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked for personal attacks.
I am using anti-forum-lock links now. Yeah, that just happened. |
Taoist Dragon
No.1 Crazy Fighter Squadron
865
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:27:00 -
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Quote:
Armchair psychiatrist.
Only your perspective is broken, not the game. As often as i run into disgruntled pilots who fell into my web, i get pilots who i fell into their 'web' and used boosts to escape giving me props. Many of these pilots had boosts themselves and still deliver props for a fight well fought. Or they kill me.
I remember my vigilant dying to a 45 man battlecruiser hot-drop. You search for fair and balanced in a game that is and should be anything but.
EVE is not a 1v1 game. If that is the kind of fighting you value best you move to high sec and drop a can outside jita 4-4 or whatever the modern equivalent is.
Expecting an unarranged fair fight in low-sec is really the epitome of stupidity. You will not find one from me, nor do i expect one from anyone else.
What you are describing is a person using link to fight a person using links. Therefore perfectly balanced. sounds pretty much like a 1v1 to me, only with extra toons.
Links are a 'pay to win' mechanic. pure and simple. You get an in game advantage to buying (or plexing or whatever) multiple accounts to give your 'main' a huge advantage against any other 'comparable' opponent. The original concept of gang links was to give players who group together an advantage to do so. Not to allow 'leet' pvp'ers to ROFLMSTOMP over 'comparable' forces. The mechanics were put in place and to aid in social play but instead were abused by the players and CCP has decided to keep, and somewhat promote the gameplay style (sidekicks etc), as it gives them greater revenue.
That fact that a 45 man BC gang dropped on your vigilant had nothing to do with game mechanics supporting 'pay to win'
And blah blah blah about 'can't afford etc don't fly' and all that **** once again get distorted by the use of links. People also then like to point out 'falcon alt!' but at least they had to commit them to the fight and if you know how to you could counter them with something other than 'buy your own alt' strategy.
Eve is not fair, nor should it be, but it does require balance. When that balance requires people to purchase (or plex or whatever) a second account to be competitive then the mechanics are broken.
And yes when I fly with the guys links are almost always up as it is expected within the FW area. GF are given and taken and ganks happen as well. However the game mechanics are broken and I will never have a second account for links etc.
Yes I will get my arse handed to me by linked pilots, whatever, but when I'm out solo etc it is true solo as I like a challenge. The perspective is not broken but it is twisted by peoples view on mechanical balance vs account balance. That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
Yuri Antollare
Justified Chaos
27
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:40:00 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Yuri Antollare wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Gizznitt Malikite wrote:That's cute.... However, I personally believe links are too much. An offgrid ship, often operating under the safety of a deathstar POS, should not boost the ability of a fleet to the level it does. Move them on grid, and they are peachy. Also, I highly recommend making Command Processors a Rig! That will go a long way in balancing out combat capable link ships. Boosts are no more unfair than a person who can only fly a blaster atron fighting someone who is flying a dual web throax. Dont dispair, aspire! Yeah not really, in a game where a couple of % makes the difference, boosts don't 'lend you a hand' they completely break usual tactics and engagement profiles. AB atron v LM condor, tought but with a decent atron pilot, slingshotting is a very strong possibility. However lend boosts to the condor and ... no, sorry, usual tactics available to 'good' pvpers break completely, try slingshotting someone staying at 30km doing 6km/s. Thats not an edge, thats 'pay for another account and break the game.' I'm sure I need not go on with equivelant examples in the brawling/scram kite arena. People that leave links on for 1v1 T1 frigates are simply bads that likely suffered one too many humiliations early in their EvE days. Armchair psychiatrist. Only your perspective is broken, not the game. As often as i run into disgruntled pilots who fell into my web, i get pilots who i fell into their 'web' and used boosts to escape giving me props. Many of these pilots had boosts themselves and still deliver props for a fight well fought. Or they kill me. I remember my vigilant dying to a 45 man battlecruiser hot-drop. You search for fair and balanced in a game that is and should be anything but. EVE is not a 1v1 game. If that is the kind of fighting you value best you move to high sec and drop a can outside jita 4-4 or whatever the modern equivalent is. Expecting an unarranged fair fight in low-sec is really the epitome of stupidity. You will not find one from me, nor do i expect one from anyone else.
Literacy... ain't it a *****. Did I say get rid of links? Just passing comment on the type that are glued to them, bit defensive no?
Not sure about hi-sec seeing as I have over 100 solo kills in lowsec this month, turns out the types that need links by their side 24/7 are few and far between, probably best for the game.
I mean you can conflate this with the whole "eve is war argument" but for me eve isn't actually real life and is actually you know.... a game. I don't log on for ganks I look for fights, sure I'll kick someone in the balls in a streetfight with life in danger, not so much in a boxing ring.
The fact remains that if non-linked pvprs responded to linked pvpers in the 'hard core super sun tzu' manner, they simply wouldn't fight, = less pvp overall just so you can not put a T1 frig at risk. Cool.
Hell ask Ibanez what happens when all you do is bait/gank with links, people will try and force a gf out of you for a bit, but in the end you're just going to have to move on to a new area, and leave the people who log on for a challenge to their epic gameplay.
Its not that I expect you to change your gameplay, I'm just ever curious how people get to your stage short of being bashed around when they didn't have links.
See also 'what if everyone camped in counterstrike,' someones gotta make content, cause sure as hell the t1 maulus aint providing any.
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Taoist Dragon
No.1 Crazy Fighter Squadron
866
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Posted - 2014.02.19 08:54:00 -
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Yuri wanna come join the fighter squadron? \o/ That is the Way, the Tao.
Balance is everything.
http://taoistdragon.blogspot.com.au/ |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome Caldari State Capturing
931
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Posted - 2014.02.19 09:09:00 -
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Yuri Antollare wrote:
Hell ask Ibanez what happens when all you do is bait/gank with links, people will try and force a gf out of you for a bit, but in the end you're just going to have to move on to a new area, and leave the people who log on for a challenge to their epic gameplay.
Man you know my corp is small and have to fight outnumberd a lot of the time. The Gallente overshipping us and out numbering us in pvp is the one and only reason we trained link alts.
Many of your fellow Gals are using links and we are only evening it up and not running at an advantage a lot of the time.
You yourself have used Yun and Dustbuster73s links + a few others i am sure.
When we lived in Innia you kept making the choice to knowingly come into a home system where we had links and numbers in a certain tz. You guys even bought your own links in and still JUSTKomplained.
I solemnly apologize that you couldn't farm noobs for a few hours of each day without risk while we lived there.
If you want to get your soul to heaven, trust in me. Now don't judge or question. You are broken now, but faith can heal you. Just do everything I tell you to do. (Opiate - Tool) |
Zarnak Wulf
In Exile. Imperial Outlaws.
1521
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Posted - 2014.02.19 09:26:00 -
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IbanezLaney wrote:Yuri Antollare wrote:
Hell ask Ibanez what happens when all you do is bait/gank with links, people will try and force a gf out of you for a bit, but in the end you're just going to have to move on to a new area, and leave the people who log on for a challenge to their epic gameplay.
Man you know my corp is small and have to fight outnumberd a lot of the time. The Gallente overshipping us and out numbering us in pvp is the one and only reason we trained link alts. Many of your fellow Gals are using links and we are only evening it up and not running at an advantage a lot of the time. You yourself have used Yun and Dustbuster73s links + a few others i am sure. When we lived in Innia you kept making the choice to knowingly come into a home system where we had links and numbers in a certain tz. You guys even bought your own links in and still JUSTKomplained. I solemnly apologize that you couldn't farm noobs for a few hours of each day without risk while we lived there.
Yuri still makes a fair point. You learn who uses links and add their booster alts to your contact list. When you see them in local you can avoid them if you don't have your own links. (LOL. Here comes so and so with his Tengu and Loki alts. Time to hang out in the POS for a couple of minutes. ) |
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