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Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:01:00 - [1] - Quote I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate. Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game. Thank you.
Alduin666 Shikkoken Perkone Caldari State 475	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:17:00 - [2] - Quote There is this handy tool called a map. This map even shows the amount of jumps/pilots in system/kills in the last 30 mins. Sometimes the counter to a problem is avoiding it all together. When you undock, especially in low/null, you are running the risk of dying. I would say either find a new route, wait, bring backup, or use a cov ops. But then the gate campers would come and wine about cloaks being unbalanced. Just because you died to one doesn't make it unbalanced. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1167	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:28:00 - [3] - Quote If they weren't fast or instant locking, you might have gotten away. Then what would be the point of gate camping? "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:34:00 - [4] - Quote Are you really try to defend this broken mechanic... Let me give you a quick exemple. Some pilot want to do some FW pvp, he buys a frigate and then he jumps into FW zones and get caught by a instalocking gate camp. The map shows kills and activity on the system but that's all normal because it's the FW zone. So you want the pilot to fit a cov ops on a frigate when he want to do some FW? Or do you want him to only fly a astero if we want to do some FW pvp? Or do you want him to get a alt account just do scout systems with a Ibis when he want to do FW pvp? Makes perfect sense...
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:36:00 - [5] - Quote Kimmi Chan wrote: If they weren't fast or instant locking, you might have gotten away. Then what would be the point of gate camping? There's a difference between instant and fast, something is wrong when frigates can't run these camps.
Mildew Wolf 131	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:38:00 - [6] - Quote if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak also cloaks can help
March rabbit Federal Defense Union 1216	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:40:00 - [7] - Quote instalock gate camps are bad.... The only reason i don't care about it is that these camps actually are very rare. The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:42:00 - [8] - Quote Mildew Wolf wrote: if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak also cloaks can help I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.
Alduin666 Shikkoken Perkone Caldari State 476	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:43:00 - [9] - Quote In my experience in FW 99% of non T2/specialized faction frigates and destroyers have a MWD fitted. Assuming you have ANY tank at all (which you should) you can easily burn back to the gate and survive. Don't forget that instalock ships often sacrifice any tank they have as well, so a fleet half their size could easily take out their camp. Don't forget that there are tradeoffs on the other side two. Also I'm assuming that you have another character in FW considering you jumped to that example. If that is the case then you can stop liking. your own posts. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:43:00 - [10] - Quote March rabbit wrote: instalock gate camps are bad.... The only reason i don't care about it is that these camps actually are very rare. I wish that was truth.
Mildew Wolf 131	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:44:00 - [11] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Mildew Wolf wrote: if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak also cloaks can help I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds. i think you missed the part where it isnt "instant" ))) its cool tho im pretty used to people crying instead of trying o7
Alduin666 Shikkoken Perkone Caldari State 476	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:44:00 - [12] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Mildew Wolf wrote: if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak also cloaks can help I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds. The server operates on one second ticks. It takes one tick to initiate lock, and tick to establish lock, so no matter how insta fit a ship is, two seconds is literally the fastest they are going to lock. Honor is a fools prize. Glory is of no use to the dead. Be a man! Post with your main! ~Vas'Avi Community Manager
Mag's the united SCUM. 16727	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:48:00 - [13] - Quote Came expecting dishonest OP, left happy and contented that all is well. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:59:00 - [14] - Quote Mag's wrote: Came expecting dishonest OP, left happy and contented that all is well. Insta lock gate camps are fine, CCP should even release specialized T2 ships for them.
Shederov Blood 693	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:59:00 - [15] - Quote Insta-locked would be nice. In Australia we get pre-locked.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 752	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:00:00 - [16] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic... Let me give you a quick exemple. Some pilot want to do some FW pvp, he buys a frigate and then he jumps into FW zones and get caught by a instalocking gate camp. The map shows kills and activity on the system but that's all normal because it's the FW zone. So you want the pilot to fit a cov ops on a frigate when he want to do some FW? Or do you want him to only fly a astero if we want to do some FW pvp? Or do you want him to get a alt account just do scout systems with a Ibis when he want to do FW pvp? Makes perfect sense... In order to PVP I had to bring a dozen ships in to null and preplace them into useful locations for myself. I don't see why you can't put 10 frigates in a useful place on the other side of the commonly camped gates with a blockade runner or black frog, and then covops to those. I also don't see why a faction war team can't ask each other whats on the gates.
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 752	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:02:00 - [17] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Insta-locked would be nice. In Australia we get pre-locked. I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps....
Remiel Pollard Stirling Iron Society 2457	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:06:00 - [18] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic... Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:09:00 - [19] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic... Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal. Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.
Shederov Blood 694	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:11:00 - [20] - Quote Tauranon wrote: I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps.... It was a joke, I'm sorry. The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews.
Remiel Pollard Stirling Iron Society 2457	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:12:00 - [21] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic... Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal. Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught. I jumped into one once in my Ishkur. I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight. Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
Ammzi Love Squad Black Legion. 1690	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:12:00 - [22] - Quote You know what's broken OP? Your brain. ba-dum-tish
Tauranon Weeesearch Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere 753	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:13:00 - [23] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Tauranon wrote: I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps.... It was a joke, I'm sorry. The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews. yes, that you can't help - sometimes we are on the right tick, sometimes we are not.
Erica Dusette Nighthawk Exploration 2974	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:15:00 - [24] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Mildew Wolf wrote: if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak also cloaks can help I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds. CCP Falcon wrote: Click faster https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=310841 Major (Ret.) Caldary Naval Militia \| Morale Officer (Pinup model) Just an innocent explorer!-á pâä \| -áWormhole Sisters of EVE Herrbert: "womwomwowmwoaugharwajwowoooommm"
Kimmi Chan Tastes Like Purple 1170	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:16:00 - [25] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Tauranon wrote: I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps.... It was a joke, I'm sorry. The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews. Brit haxx0rs!!! "Grr Kimmi-á Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide www.eve-radio.com -áJoin Eve Radio channel in game!
Mag's the united SCUM. 16728	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:17:00 - [26] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal. Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught. You didn't avoid it, you jumped into it. Which is not the same as being unavoidable, so you're being rather disingenuous. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Katrinna Voight-Kampf University of Caille Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:18:00 - [27] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic... Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal. Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught. I jumped into one once in my Ishkur. I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight. Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight. There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.
Remiel Pollard Stirling Iron Society 2461	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:19:00 - [28] - Quote Shederov Blood wrote: Tauranon wrote: I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps.... It was a joke, I'm sorry. The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews. I'll tell you what happens to me. You know how when you jump through a gate, if you haven't got a route set, the game automatically selects the gate you just came through? Well, when a ship comes through that gate, if I have that gate selected, I'm on my PVP overview so that only neutrals or reds appear on it, and absolutely nothing else, as soon as that ship appears I'm holding ctrl and spamming it in the overview.... And I lock the damn gate every time. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.
l0rd carlos Friends Of Harassment 869	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:22:00 - [29] - Quote My corp found a insta lock camp some days ago, we warped in with 3 Maulus and sensor damped them for 15 minutes. A lot of neutral frigs got away because of us. I like to help out in the community. German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
Remiel Pollard Stirling Iron Society 2461	Posted - 2014.02.16 11:22:00 - [30] - Quote Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Remiel Pollard wrote: Katrinna Voight-Kampf wrote: Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic... Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal. Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught. I jumped into one once in my Ishkur. I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight. Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight. There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death. EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well. 1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs 2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard 3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums. You don't scare me. I've been to Jita.

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