If they weren't fast or instant locking, you might have gotten away. Then what would be the point of gate camping?

if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak

also cloaks can help

instalock gate camps are bad.... The only reason i don't care about it is that these camps actually are very rare.

I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

Came expecting dishonest OP, left happy and contented that all is well.

Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...

Let me give you a quick exemple.

Some pilot want to do some FW pvp, he buys a frigate and then he jumps into FW zones and get caught by a instalocking gate camp. The map shows kills and activity on the system but that's all normal because it's the FW zone. So you want the pilot to fit a cov ops on a frigate when he want to do some FW? Or do you want him to only fly a astero if we want to do some FW pvp? Or do you want him to get a alt account just do scout systems with a Ibis when he want to do FW pvp? Makes perfect sense...

Insta-locked would be nice.
In Australia we get pre-locked.

Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...

Nothing to defend, because if you don't qualify what makes it broken, and just claim that it is, then you haven't put up an argument that requires rebuttal.

I'm still trying to sample cloakwarping ship losses from Australia. Thus far lowsec station 1, lowsec gate nil, null gate 1. After like 4 years and thousands of jumps....

Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.

It was a joke, I'm sorry.

The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews.

I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

Click faster

It was a joke, I'm sorry.

The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews.

Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.

I jumped into one once in my Ishkur.

I killed a Fed Navy Comet and a Firetail while a Stabber had me webbed, and finally managed to put me down. It was a good fight.

Maybe you should be prepared for them and prepared to fight. Maybe, when you undock in this game, you should always be prepared for a fight.

It was a joke, I'm sorry.

The biggest effect of "aussie lag" I've noticed is actually when we're the ones doing the gatecamping, and the British guy in our fleet who lives almost nextdoor to the server gets point on targets that haven't even appeared on our overviews.

There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.

EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.

EVE is not risk free, get that out of your head right now or you're gonna have a bad day. Nothing is risk free, there is only the illusion of risk free. Every time I undock, including in high sec, I'm expecting to lose whatever it is I undock in. I'm not trying to lose it, but I'm expecting it to happen. Usually, it doesn't, but expecting it means that when it does happen, a few other things happen as well.

1) you learn how to have fun and enjoy good fights, even the blobs

2) you don't get all pissy and write angry emails to the guy(s) that killed you, and suddenly the letters 'g' and 'f' become the most commonly used on your keyboard

3) you'll stop shiptoasting on the forums.

This +1

I also notice the OP using certain words in terms of absolutes.

Guaranteed...
Unavoidable...

There are absolutely no absolutes. You just haven't figured out how to avoid them. Plenty of people here have offered suggestions but you blame a broken mechanic because something happened to you. Nothing happens to you. Events occur based on the choices you make or those you choose not to make. Events do not happen to you.

Mechanic is working as intended.

Perhaps actually reading before responding might be a good first step for you.

There's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death.

The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.

The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.

Nothing should be immune to anything, but at the same time nothing should be unavoidable. Right now, instalocking camps are unavoidable. If you jump into one, you're getting caught.

The only sugestion that works is having a alt scott. Forcing a player to buy two accounts just to pvp makes perfect sense.

Perhaps actually reading before responding might be a good first step for you.

Or having friends.... OMG!!!111!! Friends in an MMO, who'da thunk it????

I avoid them all the time, get on my level.

Perhaps learning to play before posting might be a good first step for you.

That's probably it, im dying to insta lock gate camps, i need to learn to play.

Blob FTW

That's the first sensible post you've made. I think we are getting some where.

Yes, i will buy a new account so i can have a scott to avoid insta lock gate camps. Their, problem solved, i have learned to play, im a pro at this, i avoid all insta lock gate camps.

Who cares about "solo" pvp anymore.

Let just hope this problem is solved with the incoming T3 rebalance and the removal of OGB.

Instalock gate camps don't prevent solo pvp. They enable it. You fly into one solo, and you fight it.

Let just hope this problem is solved with the incoming T3 rebalance and the removal of OGB.

What problem?

If you mean your posting, it won't.

Good luck fighting T3 ships+logistic with a FW Merlin frigate.

But at least you have gate guns, they are awesome and balance things out...

Did you just miss the part where I pointed out that some losses are inevitable, and that's EVE, or did you just willingly ignore it?

Did you just miss the part where I pointed out that there's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death?

Guys why put in the :Effort: of using the options already available, when you can whine on the forums and learn nothing?

The only solution for a solo player is a scout-support account, if you can afford it. Map statistics are very useful but not 100% accurate.
You can play eve alone with a single accout if you want, but i recommend to get a second account if you want to live in low-null-wspace.

I live in non-fw low sec and i use a Falcon. Scout+site scanner+pro disengage all in one best ship ever111111.

Did you just miss the part where I pointed out that there's a difference between risk-free and guaranteed death?

So you are fine with the fact that you need two account to pvp, even if it's just some frigate FW...

That's not broken at all, people just need to learn to play ("pay").

oh ffs you are bad. Not only does it take no more than a minute or so to check it with a covops, pods instawarp, cannot be locked warping away from a lowsec gate, and thus can scout them.

honestly the butthurt over a lost merlin amazes me.

Yes, i'm fine because i can plex it with no problems, but to be honest we shouldn't need second accounts for that, i agree with you.
I wouldn't unsub my Falcon because it is very useful tho.

Don't need a second account for solo PVP in lowsec. My KB is proof of that. It's not all solo, but the solo kills ain't bad and I am more often than not completely solo. I'm in Khanid solo right now.

Scouting alt accounts show up on main account KB mails.... Ok.

Yes, whenever i want to do some frigate FW, i will pick up my alt scouting account and fly around all gates to check if their some Insta lock gate camps.

That's perfectly fine and fun gameplay right there.

Don't need a second account for solo PVP in lowsec. My KB is proof of that. It's not all solo, but the solo kills ain't bad and I am more often than not completely solo. I'm in Khanid solo right now.

Not if you don't use them in the kill they don't. /der

I know you can live with a single account, and i did it for years, but now that i'm used to my dear Falcon, i don't want to live without her <3

A true love story

Also, i love Khanid lol-sec too.

Edit. I said before " i recommend second accouts", not "second accounts are mandatory".

Did you even read the posts? We are talking about the fact you need a second account to pvp, so you don't die in insta lock gate camps, a scout alt account.

I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak

also cloaks can help

There is this handy tool called a map. This map even shows the amount of jumps/pilots in system/kills in the last 30 mins. Sometimes the counter to a problem is avoiding it all together. When you undock, especially in low/null, you are running the risk of dying. I would say either find a new route, wait, bring backup, or use a cov ops. But then the gate campers would come and wine about cloaks being unbalanced.

Just because you died to one doesn't make it unbalanced.

The map is useless. Its never accurate and hasn't been accurate since release.

The way insta lock gate camps currently work, is like having a random number generator (1-10) on each gate in lowsec, when you jump in and it returns 10, your ship blows up. It's unavoidable until they rebalance T3 and remove OGB from the game.

I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.

3 things, very important.

1. If - say - 10 people camp a gate wanting to catch your T1 frigate that goes to lowsec, and have the proper organization, fittings and awareness for the job at hand, they should have a chance to catch you. They take the risks of gate crashing too, since they use niche glass cannon loadouts that are not suited for prolonged combat, and the recent changes to Rsebo strength make the ships in a camp even more fragile..

2. There is no such thing as an "insta locking" camp. The game mechanics do not allow it.

3. You have a lot of options for recognizing camps, and either running through them or flanking them. If you think you don't, you either don't know much about the mechanics at hand (so ask and you will be given feedback), or have a mentality problem that makes you insta-fail to adapt to your surroundings.

Been working for me.

except for covops, bombers, pods, t3s, blockade runners, align fitted ceptors, align fitted t1 frigates, asteros and stratios.

its uhhh quite a list.

The way insta lock gate camps currently work, is like having a random number generator (1-10) on each gate in lowsec, when you jump in and it returns 10, your ship blows up. It's unavoidable until they rebalance T3 and remove OGB from the game.

Yeah, the map works very well for test guys. Test aliance, best alliance uohhh groarrrr pew pew pew pew pew , pew PEW!! ahaha muack muack <3

I am quite confused. How exactly does re-balancing T3s and removing OGB from the game at all going to help and/or hinder instacamps?

Your portrait is confusing... boobs on a dude?

They don't insta lock anymore so you have a chance to warp way/burn to the gate, at least with a frigate.

Most instalock ships aren't T3s. The only somewhat viable instalock T3 is a loki, and thats pushing it. Almost all FW instalock ships are thrashers, ruptures, hurricanes, and tornadoes. Instalock ships often have rigs to increase scanres, which is incredibly stupid on a T3 unless you are going for a lolz fit arty cloaky loki for camping FW stations.

The only thing that increases lock time is the basic leadership skill, which is just a basic skill and not a module. The Recon Operation Information Warfare link is the only thing that remotely helps instacamps, and all it does is increase the range of r-sebos (and just the range, not scanres).

I know this has been said before in this thread, but please learn a little bit about the game and its mechanics before making rage QQ threads.

The way insta lock gate camps currently work, is like having a random number generator (1-10) on each gate in lowsec, when you jump in and it returns 10, your ship blows up. It's unavoidable until they rebalance T3 and remove OGB from the game.

Yes, they are all excellent choices for FW frigate pvp. Bravo.

I've killed Comets in my cloaky Astero.

Get on my level.

Well it can't be a 10 every time if it's random, can it.

Yes, they are all excellent choices for FW frigate pvp. Bravo.

Because once upon a time 17km webs, 40km points, & 15km scrams were a luxury item, not commonplace on every single hull. T3 links mean every single ship (including the bonused ones) has insane tackle range.

Making remote sebos & scan resolution rigs have huge stacking penalised with regular sensor boosters would also allow frigates to get through this type of camps.

I bet you killed pro Comet pilots, congratulations.

All in a day's work.

The problem is that the lack of actual content encourages gate camps as the sure way of getting some kills. It doesnt really add much to the game other than wasting peoples time.

Wasnt the #1 on the most kill list for a long time the dude sitting in Rancer in a smartbombing battleship camping a gate popping pods?

it's literally impossible to be caught by one of these in highsec or lowsec if you know what you are doing.

Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.

Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.

if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak

also cloaks can help

DotLan doesn't require a second account. Dunno how you missed that.

I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.

I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.

Dotlan and the map doesn't help ****, dunno how you missed that.

Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.

I can see you have alot of fun on Singularity.

< 2 sec align and you can't get caught, other than via a bubble. Of course, that's a gimped fit on everything (except perhaps an Astero, which has a cloak so doesn't need it!)

Even with 3 sec align fits, you should be able to make it back to the gate with a mwd frigate most times.

My corp found a insta lock camp some days ago, we warped in with 3 Maulus and sensor damped them for 15 minutes. A lot of neutral frigs got away because of us.

I like to help out in the community.

Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...

...

I'll tell you what happens to me. You know how when you jump through a gate, if you haven't got a route set, the game automatically selects the gate you just came through? Well, when a ship comes through that gate, if I have that gate selected, I'm on my PVP overview so that only neutrals or reds appear on it, and absolutely nothing else, as soon as that ship appears I'm holding ctrl and spamming it in the overview....

And I lock the damn gate every time. So now when I jump into a new system, I have the sun on my PVP overview so I can select that first, so any lag will cause my ship to try to lock that, which it will fail to do, and I lock the ship instead, and when my already-blinking modules activate, it's on the targeted ship instead of the stargate.

I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

There is this handy tool called a map. This map even shows the amount of jumps/pilots in system/kills in the last 30 mins. *snipsnipsnip*

How can I see kills in the last 30 mins. on starmap? Is it a map out of game?

1-) having a chance (<100%) is different from always catching you (100%).

1-) having a chance (<100%) is different from always catching you (100%).

2-) their are insta locking gate camps with T3 and OGB, not even frigates can escape.

In game. Open the star map (F10). Find the ....

Wait, let me just link what someone else wrote: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Avoiding_pirates

I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.

if you can align in less than 2 seconds they cant lock you fast enough out of gate cloak

also cloaks can help

do you play eve online? we have had to resort to insta lock camp to catch goons why? they use fleets of interceptors.. get up to 6000 6400 scan rez and very few people will get past

If we "fixed" instant target gate camps we get topics like: "people warp off before i can target them! how can i kill them, if its impossible to tackle!?"

There is this handy tool called a map. This map even shows the amount of jumps/pilots in system/kills in the last 30 mins. Sometimes the counter to a problem is avoiding it all together. When you undock, especially in low/null, you are running the risk of dying. I would say either find a new route, wait, bring backup, or use a cov ops. But then the gate campers would come and wine about cloaks being unbalanced.

Just because you died to one doesn't make it unbalanced.

The server operates on one second ticks. It takes one tick to initiate lock, and tick to establish lock, so no matter how insta fit a ship is, two seconds is literally the fastest they are going to lock.

Are you really trying to defend this broken mechanic...

Let me give you a quick exemple.

Some pilot want to do some FW pvp, he buys a frigate and then he jumps into FW zones and get caught by a instalocking gate camp. The map shows kills and activity on the system but that's all normal because it's the FW zone. So you want the pilot to fit a cov ops on a frigate when he want to do some FW? Or do you want him to only fly a astero if we want to do some FW pvp? Or do you want him to get a alt account just do scout systems with a Ibis when he want to do FW pvp? Makes perfect sense...

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.

There are many player-driven options to this problem without asking for nerfs...

1) Fit inertia stabilizers (better than nano for raw align times). i.e. Two inertia stabs & two nanofibers on a Punisher get its align to 1.9s for example.
2) Fit a cloak, MWD and learn cloak/MWD trick
3) Have someone in a cepter or frigate with 1 and 2 above fit scout you in
4) Refit once at desto to remove the stabs/nano's/cloak, or carry a mobile depot if NPC station not available
5) Added: Train evasive manuevers

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All these are good ideas except with a 2 sec lock the average ship will be alpha off the field before it can make it back to gate, in the case of cov op they can be decloaked regularly. They patched align times as well so even ceptors can be locked.

Of course it is, everyone that dies in insta lock gate camps are just noobs that need to learn to play. Shame on them for not having a second account for a scouting alt, stupid noobs never learn.

There are many player-driven options to this problem without asking for nerfs...

1) Fit inertia stabilizers (better than nano for raw align times). i.e. Two inertia stabs & two nanofibers on a Punisher get its align to 1.9s for example.
2) Fit a cloak, MWD and learn cloak/MWD trick
3) Have someone in a cepter or frigate with 1 and 2 above fit scout you in
4) Refit once at desto to remove the stabs/nano's/cloak, or carry a mobile depot if NPC station not available
5) Added: Train evasive manuevers

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So a cloak WONT help me get into low sec and do stuff?

Honest question here: I was reading my loot your tears yesterday and the author talked about hunting a crane in highsec. They caught him as he came through a gate and as he aligned to warp the act of aligning made the cloak fall off.

So a cloak WONT help me get into low sec and do stuff? One poster above said he'd seen a shuttle killed in a camp. Is there a good merlin fit? Ok yeah thats 2 questions :P

The only solution is to make attacking near a gate impossible. Say the gates have some anti-agression devices that prevent guns discharging.

Why should the player who would like to avoid getting killed, the only one that needs to work for it? Why not make the player who is looking for a kill work for it too?

(never died to a gate camp)

Honest answers:

. When you align your 'gate cloak/invulnerability' drops and you have to activate your covops cloak. You cannot activate your covops cloak (or any other module) without moving first, thus dropping gate cloak. However, if you're quick about it it's extremely difficult for someone to point you. Not sure it's impossible, but trust me: it's usually not gonna happen. Guy in crane was probably just slow. You can however be decloaked and pointed before entering warp if someone gets <2km from you. A competent interceptor pilot will be able to do that regularly. However, not all intie pilots are good enough, and you could get lucky anyway. Fit a stab or two for extra protection.

. Shuttles will be killed by instalock camps fairly regularly. Especially if they're carrying PLEX

. A PVP-fit Merlin will usually die to instalock camps. But for example if you fit (and skill up) for the highest possible tank + a mwd you will survive most camps by burning back to gate with oh'd MWD. You can easily get 15k+ EHP from a Merlin if you sacrifice everything else for tank. But a high alpha camp will kill you anyway.

In an insta gatecamp, fitting Istabs will get you killed faster than trying to burn back to gate, they increase your sig radius so campers can lock you even faster.

In a proper gatecamp, you're dead as soon as you hit align, without warping within the next tick.

I think you missed the instant part. Instant is faster then 2 seconds.

Hold Ctrl. It freezes the overview. You then put your cursor just below the last overview item. When the ship appears under your cursor, just click to lock.

also, nano are better that istabs

Yes, i will buy a new account so i can have a scott to avoid insta lock gate camps. Their, problem solved, i have learned to play, im a pro at this, i avoid all insta lock gate camps.

Hey thanks alot for the replies. So just to make sure I got this right, I fit my merlin with a microdrive and a cloak and the best tank I can fit with some "nanos" (is that navigation rigs?)


As soon as I land in the gate I give order warp to ANYTHING, sun, planet station. Then hit my cloak then my microdrive. To leave the system I warp to 50km from the gate and look see for enemy ships. then warp to celestial and warp to gate at zero if its clear.


Have I got this right and have I missed anything? thanks again.

Depends how close you are to the nearest second. With a lot of fits, nano doesn't get you there, and effectively does nothing to align time, while an istab gets you that key extra second.

For example: 1500 scanres trying to lock a crow, base locktime is 1.48 seconds, vs an align of 3.68s.

Nano: 1.48s lock vs 3.10s align
Istab: 1.44s lock vs 2.95s align

The lock time is basically the same, but the istabbed crow aligns a full second quicker.


Istabs blowing up the sig is probably more important for incoming damage, and you aren't getting the nano speed boost either.

so how does the mwd+cloak trick work when it is your pod which gets instalocked ?

If they weren't fast or instant locking, you might have gotten away. Then what would be the point of gate camping?

I'm trying to find an aspect of these mechanics that isn't broken, but frankly instalocking camps are unavoidable, if you jump into one, you're getting caught, even in a frigate.

Something has to be done to fix this issue, it's killing the fun out of the game.


Thank you.