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Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.12 22:32:00 - [61] Edited by: Nyphur on 12/04/2006 22:33:46 Originally by: M3ta7h3ad Donatage of the Iskies to the person who scans the entire magazine perhaps? :D the price is extortionate for a gaming magazine Illegal. No. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.12 22:33:00 - [62] Edited by: Nyphur on 12/04/2006 22:33:36 doublepost Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:28:00 - [63] But polygons arent always triangles :\ Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes It was 24153bytes...
Hakera	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:34:00 - [64] Originally by: Phoenix Lord But polygons arent always triangles :\ quads/triangles are forms of polygons iirc (though Im a noob in this area mostly apart from the basics)
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.04.12 23:53:00 - [65] Polygons are just any shape with sides. So, yea, a triangle is a polygon. but not all polygons are triangles :\| Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes It was 24153bytes...
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.04.13 00:16:00 - [66] Originally by: Fi T'Zeh All \o/ except the vista bit which is :S ALSO WHY AM I NOT MENTIONED IN THE TAOSP BIT. /me plots to kill Reiisha. Not enough isk, by far.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.13 00:45:00 - [67] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Polygons are just any shape with sides. So, yea, a triangle is a polygon. but not all polygons are triangles :\| Which is why they refer to triangles rather than polygons - because detailed models are always composed of triangular polygons. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Mephite	Posted - 2006.04.13 02:01:00 - [68] Did the article give any clue as to when we'll see these graphics upgrades in game??
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.04.13 02:15:00 - [69] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Phoenix Lord Polygons are just any shape with sides. So, yea, a triangle is a polygon. but not all polygons are triangles :\| Which is why they refer to triangles rather than polygons - because detailed models are always composed of triangular polygons. Mmmm, im not too sure about that, but im no expert. So, oh well. Mephite: The updates come in Kali, which comes in Q2 (mostlikely after E3 which is in may). Check the features page for other features coming in Kali. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes It was 24153bytes...
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.13 02:36:00 - [70] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Mmmm, im not too sure about that, but im no expert. So, oh well. It's a technical thing. When you have good quality models, they tend to be made out of a mesh of polygons to give as smooth a curve as possible (the more polygons, the smoother the curve). It works well with triangles. I'm no expert either, but that's my understanding of it. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.04.13 02:54:00 - [71] Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Phoenix Lord Polygons are just any shape with sides. So, yea, a triangle is a polygon. but not all polygons are triangles :\| Which is why they refer to triangles rather than polygons - because detailed models are always composed of triangular polygons. Mmmm, im not too sure about that, but im no expert. So, oh well. Mephite: The updates come in Kali, which comes in Q2 (mostlikely after E3 which is in may). Check the features page for other features coming in Kali. The updates are, and i quote "Post-Kali". No other mention is made about a date. No exact date is given, and it's highly unlikely that it will happen this year, considering Vista won't be out untill next year.
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.04.13 02:59:00 - [72] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: Phoenix Lord Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Phoenix Lord Polygons are just any shape with sides. So, yea, a triangle is a polygon. but not all polygons are triangles :\| Which is why they refer to triangles rather than polygons - because detailed models are always composed of triangular polygons. Mmmm, im not too sure about that, but im no expert. So, oh well. Mephite: The updates come in Kali, which comes in Q2 (mostlikely after E3 which is in may). Check the features page for other features coming in Kali. The updates are, and i quote "Post-Kali". No other mention is made about a date. No exact date is given, and it's highly unlikely that it will happen this year, considering Vista won't be out untill next year. Wtf O_o? I remember reading somewhere official that the graphical upgrades will be in Kali.. Maybe the DX9 improvements are made in kali and the vista related ones will be made later on? It also seems like a waste of time for CCP to make low poly models of the new ships then have to remake them all over again later on Well i still havent recieved my damn magazine so im pretty clueless, god damn :\| Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes It was 24153bytes...
Minsc	Posted - 2006.04.13 03:29:00 - [73] Why would they have to remake the ship models again? The same models can easily be used in DX10, the main diffrence between the two is going to be lighting/effects etc and how they apply to the models, not the models themselves.
Xenu	Posted - 2006.04.13 03:31:00 - [74] you guys should include a big pullout of the eve universe with an issue sometime. then i could laminate it and use a dry erase marker to keep track of where all my alts are.
Phoenix Lord	Posted - 2006.04.13 03:32:00 - [75] Edited by: Phoenix Lord on 13/04/2006 03:32:56 Originally by: Minsc Why would they have to remake the ship models again? The same models can easily be used in DX10, the main diffrence between the two is going to be lighting/effects etc and how they apply to the models, not the models themselves. Because the prettier ships using DX10 will obviously use more polygons. But then again, they would probably have to remake the models anyway since they need to give the players the option of not using the new graphical upgrades. EDIT: Originally by: Xenu you guys should include a big pullout of the eve universe with an issue sometime. then i could laminate it and use a dry erase marker to keep track of where all my alts are. There are several print out maps you can find online, very useful for me when im in 0.0. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes It was 24153bytes...
Xenu	Posted - 2006.04.13 03:43:00 - [76] i'd rather pay 15 bucks for ccp to send me one. but i'm lazy tbh. plus my printer is broken .
Seleene	Posted - 2006.04.13 04:58:00 - [77] Corp combat skill points / no of members (>=25members) Finate Horizons BodyCount Inc. <-- w00t Celestial Apocalypse The Corperation <-- w00t North Star Networks <-- w00t KIA Corp Rage and Terror Arcane Technologies Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams <-- w00t Contraband-inc MC WINS EVE! - Who is the MC? Watch!
j0sephine	Posted - 2006.04.13 05:58:00 - [78] Edited by: j0sephine on 13/04/2006 05:59:00 "It's a technical thing. When you have good quality models, they tend to be made out of a mesh of polygons to give as smooth a curve as possible (the more polygons, the smoother the curve). It works well with triangles. I'm no expert either, but that's my understanding of it." IIRC it's mostly due to triangles being mathematically guaranteed to be planar -- you can always calculate a plane that goes through any 3 points in space, but for any polygon with more vertices this is no longer true... meaning such polygon can wind up being 'not flat' which can generate inconsistences with shading, bits of geometry disappearing at some angles because it's wrongly determined to be facing the other way... and other such niceties. (well, that's what it can look like in the 3d modeling programs, anyway ^^;;
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.13 06:06:00 - [79] Originally by: j0sephine Edited by: j0sephine on 13/04/2006 05:59:00 "It's a technical thing. When you have good quality models, they tend to be made out of a mesh of polygons to give as smooth a curve as possible (the more polygons, the smoother the curve). It works well with triangles. I'm no expert either, but that's my understanding of it." IIRC it's mostly due to triangles being mathematically guaranteed to be planar -- you can always calculate a plane that goes through any 3 points in space, but for any polygon with more vertices this is no longer true... meaning such polygon can wind up being 'not flat' which can generate inconsistences with shading, bits of geometry disappearing at some angles because it's wrongly determined to be facing the other way... and other such niceties. (well, that's what it can look like in the 3d modeling programs, anyway ^^;; So, in other words, "triangles are friendly". :D Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Graf Zeppelin	Posted - 2006.04.13 07:46:00 - [80] You know, it sucks when you really like something so much, that you have to betray your ideals I wouldn't touch Vista wit a 10 foot pole (DRM crap ), but it looks like Eve will leave me no choice. I can only hope that the "non Vista" graphics wont be that much worse
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:06:00 - [81] Originally by: Graf Zeppelin I wouldn't touch Vista wit a 10 foot pole (DRM crap ), but it looks like Eve will leave me no choice. If vista has DRM, I'm sticking with Win2k or switching to Linux if it becomes more supported than Win2k. DRM is a big no-no for me. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
spurious signal	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:14:00 - [82] Edited by: spurious signal on 13/04/2006 08:14:41 Originally by: Phoenix Lord But polygons arent always triangles :\ All polygons can be broken down into triangles - it's the simplest system you can use that enables you to define any non-curved polygon. I'm still waiting for someone to make a game engine that uses NURBS ps. My issue of EON #3 arrived and it's fantastic! Shiny! A nugget of the purest green! Hopefully I'll actually find time to read it tonight
Vrizuh	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:20:00 - [83] I asked this somewhere else and got no reply. How thick is the Eon magazine? How many pages? I want to buy it, but I dont know what to expect for that price.
Reiisha	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:55:00 - [84] Originally by: Vrizuh I asked this somewhere else and got no reply. How thick is the Eon magazine? How many pages? I want to buy it, but I dont know what to expect for that price. You might want to take a good look at the link to the right and to the top of this page. It says: NEW! Eon Magazine #003 Maybe, if you are careful, you won't miss the notice that it has xxx pages. Yes, i left the number out. You have to do something to earn your dignity back.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:55:00 - [85] Originally by: Vrizuh I asked this somewhere else and got no reply. How thick is the Eon magazine? How many pages? I want to buy it, but I dont know what to expect for that price. Quality over quantity. You're not buying a bag of flour here. Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
Nyphur	Posted - 2006.04.13 08:56:00 - [86] Originally by: Reiisha Yes, i left the number out. You have to do something to earn your dignity back. Don't be mean! Eve-Tanking.com - For the ultimate tanking spreadsheet and resources.
VinLieger	Posted - 2006.04.13 09:19:00 - [87] At last i got it and im gonna spend the whole day in college reading who needs to take notes in lectures when you can read about eve for hours on end
FireFoxx80	Posted - 2006.04.13 09:51:00 - [88] Got mine yesterday.

Zapatero	Posted - 2006.04.13 10:02:00 - [89] Originally by: Hakera Edited by: Hakera on 12/04/2006 18:32:48 Re: E:ON #3, i didn't see anywhere the results from the design a module competition in issue 2 and whether or not ccp would accept any of the designs? Is TomB/Tux slacking off eh? Oveur was very ill, so he couldn't go over the entries before we went to print. The results will be in the next issue... hopefully - Z ----------------------------------------------- Editor, EON http://www.eve-online.com/eon/Issue#002 available now!

Admiral Pieg	Posted - 2006.04.13 10:55:00 - [90] What about the people who simply dont want to spend 15 bucks just for the pictures of the graphical overhaul? Why arent they included in some dev-blog or something? ______________ Pod from above.

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