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Kalixa Hihro
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:16:00 -
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I'd happily trade the Gallente blaster boat for the Caldari rail gun boat. As it is, I need to train a whole new race of ships to get a sniper that will be able to compete.
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Dummy Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.05 17:19:00 -
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as i have lousy gunneryskills if i ever do fly the tier3 Caldari BS i will indeed stick missiles on it if thats possible.
offcourse if it has railgun bonuses and no tank bonuses i'll just leave it where it is and keep on pilotting my missileboats. imo, the Tier 3 beeing a gunship is st00pid, so imo make the raven tier 3 and the new one tier 2.
I like the irony of using caldari ships against the caldari navy 
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Jack Cromwell
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Posted - 2006.09.05 19:23:00 -
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Both Gallante and Caldari specalise in Hybrid weapons, with the main difference being that Gallante ships are more designed for close range combat which is why most Gallante ships have hybrid damage bonuses. The Caldari on the other hand prefer long range combat which is why many of their ships have an hybrid range bonus.
Also the Gallante and Caldari specalise in another weapon platform for the Gallante its Drones and the Caldari its missiles.
I am Gallante and mainly fly Gallante, but I also fly some Caldari ships and love the Ferox and I am planning on getting the new tier 3 Caldari BS even though I will probably have to train up my missile skills further to make it worth while.
I am planning on specalising in both Gallante and Caldari ships as it gives you a wide range of platforms and you only have to worry about one set of gunnery skills.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.05 22:54:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 05/09/2006 22:54:46
 Originally by: Sekmat Semerk'Het
Edited by: Sekmat Semerk''Het on 05/09/2006 12:42:26
Originally by: The Wizz117
it is a frikign railgun boat olrady 50%+ of the battle ships are caldari now we gona have the gunnery people fly the caldari battle ship to like the gallante but also other races.
If you were a real caldari pilot you would have noticed there's a hybrid gun ship alternative in frigs, in cruisers, hacs....... and no, not for BS so far.
But real caldari pilots who sometimes fly Eagles will tell you that, in space :-/
He'd also have realized that the 'top' ship in each class, except frig and soon to be BC, is a railgun ship with ****-poor damage and nice shield resists.
Guess what the top Caldari BS is gonna be?
Comeon, guess.
That's right, a long-range railship with ****-poor dmg and nice shield resists.
Also, how about making the Merlin not suck CCP? If it's going to be a 'hybrid' ship, make the rail/missile layout 3/3 so we can go more rail or more missile, 2 of each is crap.
edit: Oh and take a lowslot from the moa and make it a midslot ffs.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour  - Immy
Oooh that could get Suvetar for the day! - Cathath |
Rajon Kelper
Omacron Militia
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.09.05 23:13:00 -
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/me stocks up on Spatial Destabilizer's
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TomParad0x
Caldari
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.06 00:21:00 -
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Tbh, i dont mind if its a railgun boat, but thats because i have 4.6 million in Gunnery, compared to 1.2 mil in Missile launcher. I lean more tords gallente stuff atm.
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Gah'khaz
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.06 00:34:00 -
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you all moan about tier 3 battleships.. when in Dell's name will tech 2 ibis be out??
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Facechanger2
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Posted - 2006.09.06 00:59:00 -
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Sigh, cry more noobs.
If I want to fly a Nemesis, I have to invest a lot of points in Missile Operation. I dont want to do that, so I dont fly a Nemesis.
You dont want to invest points in Gunnery? Dont fly a T3 Caldari BS.
Easy.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.06 07:01:00 -
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It's really a shame that CCP introduced T2 ammo. You're so useless without it in ranged fleet fights.
If I ever fly a Rohk it'll be sporting named railguns for a long long time. I have 7mil sps in missiles. I'm not up for spending 2 months working on gunnery skills just to be one of the thousands of sniperships in a blob fight. I'd rather just ECM and use precision torps to wtfbbq cruisers if I had to.
Sorry you can't afford a dev so you get me instead ^^ - Xorus
I hear Xorus is only 50 isk an hour - Immy
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eatleadretard
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Posted - 2006.09.19 17:52:00 -
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That's right, a long-range railship with ****-poor dmg and nice shield resists.
Depending on what the Rohk has for low slots....there a great place for t2 mag stabs....which the Galante race dos not have the real luxury of using unless they sacrafice their tank.....I actually see the rohk putting out big damage depending on the number of low slots.
any caldari rail gun pilot will tell you that with the resistance bonous on the caldari ships you dont need to fill your lows with power diagonostics cause you tank rocks with a t2 invofield and lvl 4 shield compensations skillz.....
I think this bs gunboat is needed and feel that ist bonous like the moa, merlin, ferox is just natural progerssion.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:03:00 -
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in the world of spreadsheets it might not be the best gun BS but in style it has them all beat.
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Perry
Amarr
The X-Trading Company
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.19 18:05:00 -
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Yep i like natural progression, especially with my beloved amarr ships, see
EW-Frig -> EW-Cruiser -> ?
Crap Missle Frig -> Crap Gank Cruiser -> Decent Gank BS
Better with ACSs Frig -> Better with ACs Cruiser -> Better with ACSs BS
Now where does the new Amarr BS belong? To the "?" ??? NO of course not, by ccps logic it belongs here:
DecentGankBS -----\
----------------------> Gank better with ACs BS 
BetterwithACsBS --/
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Lani Yul
Caldari
RONA Corporation
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Posted - 2006.09.20 19:52:00 -
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It's about (replace this with a lot of nasty words) time that the Caldari, a race that uses missiles AND RAILGUNS get a railgun alternative for battleships. The Gallente has their blasterthron, we should have our railrohk. I've specialised in railguns, flying merling, harpy, moa, eagle, and now vulture(like a lot of other people have said).
CCP has done the right thing. We have a missile BS, an EW BS, and now, to complete the line up, we get a railfun BS. Personally I'd like a damage bonus over optimal bonus, make it a bit less snipery, but in the eyes of Caldari philosophy it's spot on.
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Shadowsword
Gallente
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.20 20:24:00 -
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Originally by: eatleadretard
That's right, a long-range railship with ****-poor dmg and nice shield resists.
The damage won't be that bad, just about 10% less DPS than a railathron.
Originally by: eatleadretard
Depending on what the Rohk has for low slots....there a great place for t2 mag stabs....which the Galante race dos not have the real luxury of using unless they sacrafice their tank.....I actually see the rohk putting out big damage depending on the number of low slots.
Haven't you just stated that the Rokh would do pathetic damage?
Originally by: eatleadretard
any caldari rail gun pilot will tell you that with the resistance bonous on the caldari ships you dont need to fill your lows with power diagonostics cause you tank rocks with a t2 invofield and lvl 4 shield compensations skillz.....
Err, the compensation skills don't affect activated hardeners.
Originally by: eatleadretard
I think this bs gunboat is needed and feel that ist bonous like the moa, merlin, ferox is just natural progerssion.
That battleship will be good for those who want to do fleet battles without without the skills for T2 guns. Their firepower won't be anything to write home about, that any additional DPS may help, and they might be able to snipe the enemy support. Sort of a noob fleet BS, just like Caldari is the "easy" race.
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2006.09.20 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: RedLion
but why does everyone want to fly our ships :P
should be restricted to good looking caldari people only :P
Fixed. I agree. If I was your mother I would have shipped you to Minmatar space after I saw you come out. Damn boy! You fell off the ugly tree and hit every branch on the way down!
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2006.09.20 22:43:00 -
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The problem is that other races do not offer much in the way of options to missle users.
so I think it is fine if the tier3 caldari BS is a railboat just as long as one of the other races is a missle boat. There are 4 major weapon types in this game ( missles,hybrid turret, projectile turret, and energy turret?) But the bonuses for using ships is not equally dividing among those types. Very few choices for missles users.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.21 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Nanobotter Mk2
The problem is that other races do not offer much in the way of options to missle users.
so I think it is fine if the tier3 caldari BS is a railboat just as long as one of the other races is a missle boat. There are 4 major weapon types in this game ( missles,hybrid turret, projectile turret, and energy turret?) But the bonuses for using ships is not equally dividing among those types. Very few choices for missles users.
The problem is the designation "Hybrid turret".
It should be "Railguns" and "Blasters", but they are lumped together as one class, sharing the Hybrid bonuses, and racial game balance has suffered for it.
Caldari Hybrid bonuses should be Railgun bonuses.
Gallente Hybrid bonuses should be Blaster bonuses.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Audri Fisher
Caldari
The Keep
THE R0CK
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Posted - 2006.09.21 01:09:00 -
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damn guns skills take a long time to train 
2 mil in gunnery, 110k in missles, and i haven't even *****ed into tech II med rails yet 
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Rodney Caston
Messerschmitt Shipyards
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Audri Fisher
damn guns skills take a long time to train
2 mil in gunnery, 110k in missles, and i haven't even *****ed into tech II med rails yet
heh, you'll get there; the real beating is waiting for large hybrid V to finish.
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BoinKlasik
God's of Eve
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: BoinKlasik on 27/09/2006 18:05:07
Originally by: Caryna
u don't need a tier 3 bs ... apoc can fit 8 miner II
but you need to nerf the setup, caldari has highest natual racial CPU.
and yeah, bump from the past, new threads are greater, you can just link to the old one.
*doh, I broke my edited sig :/* *cries*
this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris
Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr!  ~kieron
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Kazaam
Caldari
Section XIII
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:17:00 -
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Edited by: Kazaam on 27/09/2006 18:18:10
Originally by: Rodney Caston
heh, you'll get there; the real beating is waiting for large hybrid V to finish.
True, Large Hybrid V was a pain to get, but I got it yesterday :D
Now I just miss Med Hybrid Spec IV and Sharpshooter V to begin training those Large Hybrid Specs :)
And then I'll rush WU 5 and AWU 4... sounds like a must-have to get 8x 425 II's on that Rokh thingy :)
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Faruda
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:32:00 -
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Rokh has no damage bonus at all. For what hell this peace of ****? Recall Ferox: used as missile boat, because bonus on optimal is not any good. For Rokh it has some sense, but not as much as it seems. SHield resistace is good.
So, dear Caldari pilots. Forget about Rokh, and get your old good Raven or jump on Maelstrom. At least it is shield tanking and has some damage output. As a bonus you could have Vagabond and Sleipnir(yes, it is The Real Ship, bot lawful Nighthawk)
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dantes inferno
Caldari
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:42:00 -
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Quote:
The problem is the designation "Hybrid turret".
It should be "Railguns" and "Blasters", but they are lumped together as one class, sharing the Hybrid bonuses, and racial game balance has suffered for it.
Caldari Hybrid bonuses should be Railgun bonuses.
Gallente Hybrid bonuses should be Blaster bonuses.
so does that mean that mimitar bonuses should also be limited to either autocannons or projectile?? and should amarr be limited to either beam or pulse?? ravens should have bonuses to either cruise or torpedoes and not both? your suggestion will be a kick in the teeth for diversity and a major cause for more cookie cutter setups, as people will match what they fly in to make full use of bonuses.
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Maiko Murukami
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Posted - 2006.11.29 08:12:00 -
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i will keep my raven and get the drake, missiles all the way baby.
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